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UAE Clerics' Fatwa Forbids Muslims From Traveling To Mars

PolygamousRanchKid writes "The Khaleej Times of Dubai reports that a fatwa committee has forbidden Muslims from taking a one-way trip to the Red Planet. At the moment, there is no technology available that would allow for a return trip from Mars, so it is truly a one-way ticket for the colonists, who may also become reality TV stars in the process. The committee of the General Authority of Islamic Affairs and Endowment in the United Arab Emirates that issued the fatwa against such a journey doesn't have anything against space exploration, Elon Musk's Mars visions, or anything like that. Rather, the religious leaders argue that making the trip would be tantamount to committing suicide, which all religions tend to frown upon."

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  1. Well for once I agree with religious crazies by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You don't want to go to Mars? Please by all means, keep your bullshit on Earth and let us evolved human beings make a fresh new life on a fresh new planet without you!

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    1. Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lack of food, oxygen, and liquid water. Maybe it will be possible someday, but not now. This fatwa was discussing doing it now, possibly as part of the one way mission to mars that was discussed, which was a complete suicide mission.

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    2. Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies by rusty0101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Again, how is this really different from any other colonization project? Look at the history of colonization in the Americas, and you'll see that many died out entirely as a result of being unprepared for the environment that they encountered. I suspect that you'll see similar results in the history of colonization into Australia, and if records existed, for pretty much any migration into areas where humans had not been before.

      The general idea would be to find a way to draw the O2 out of the rust initially, and supplant that and the nitrogen we need from supplies sent from earth. Not cheap by any means, but then the colony would be working to grow plants to recover the O2 from CO2. Some water would be brought from Earth, but some would be recovered from ice on the planet. And food would be one of the other reasons to grow plants.

      I'm not saying that the colony would survive. I wouldn't plan on giving even 10:1 against, but presumably we would learn things that could be applied to help the next colonization attempt. But then I'm not expecting the described mission to happen either. If it does, great. If it doesn't, hopefully another will before too much longer.

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    3. Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies by JustOK · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Life is a suicide mission

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    4. Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies by CastrTroy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think the current plans for sending people to mars have no such plans though. They want to send people with no plans of sending any supplies and no plans of sending the necessary life support systems in the first place. Sending a resupply mission would be a major project, and lead times of 6 months to 2 years depending on orbits can make things difficult. With colonization they may had a high chance of death, but they were travelling places with plenty of fresh air, water, and food. Most of the deaths were due to either disease or disagreements with the locals. Many died of malnutrition. But they still had the intentions of living, those who are planning the current Mars trip have no such intentions.

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    5. Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies by Immerman · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come now, don't be such a pessimist, over half the humans who ever lived haven't died*, you gotta like those odds.

      *depending on you definition of human. If you include homo erectus the ratio is no doubt somewhat smaller..

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    6. Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Funny

      Predictable environment conditions, yes. Unfortunately, they're predicted to be "fucking crappy".

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    7. Re: Well for once I agree with religious crazies by mrclevesque · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Mars has a much more predictable environment, so the risk of death should be much lower."

      A vat of boiling oil has is also a more predictable environment.

  2. Let it begin! by MPAB · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cue witty jokes about blowing oneself up not counting as suicide.

    But they should also forbid being born, as everyone that does will die eventually.

  3. Buddhism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "the trip would be tantamount to committing suicide, which all religions tend to frown upon."

    Hey get your Judeocentric religious world views out of here! Buddhism goes so far as to feature a story of the Buddha himself committing suicide just to feed some hungry tiger cubs.

    Which is insane like all religions, but I reserve the right for their insanity to be characterized accurately!

    1. Re:Buddhism by Stormwatch · · Score: 4, Informative

      I assume he's thinking of this tale.

  4. @Al Kai Da - RTFF - Read the fucking .. by burni2 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    .. Fatwa

    Stop blasting yourself into pieces, it's forbidden,
    and no your chance to survive is below the mars mission.

  5. Hold the lines by Dorianny · · Score: 4, Funny

    I can't see many religious people lining up for an expedition to discover if life evolved on another planet. They still don't believe that it evolved on this one.

  6. Shouldn't he issue a Fatwa against Smoking? by Mr_Wisenheimer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    After all, Tobacco leads to the premature death of most people who use it.

    I always thought of suicide as the act of killing yourself just for the sake of killing yourself. While one might call something a "suicide mission", that is not the same as suicide, is it? If a soldier stays behind to man a turret in the face of certain death to provide covering fire so his comrades can escape, is he committing suicide?

    1. Re:Shouldn't he issue a Fatwa against Smoking? by fullmetal55 · · Score: 5, Informative

      actually there already is one

      http://islam.about.com/od/heal...

  7. Irony by Dunbal · · Score: 4, Funny

    the religious leaders argue that making the trip would be tantamount to committing suicide, which all religions tend to frown upon."

    Brought to you by the religion that also endorses suicide bombers, because some suicides are actually ok.

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  8. But... but... by Maritz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What if there's a school on Mars that has a girl in it? It's not going to blow itself up now, is it?!?! More short-sightedness from the 'clerics'.

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  9. Re:"suicide, which all religions frown upon" by abies · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But the fact that 99.9% of Muslims oppose terrorism doesn't seem to be swaying the terrorists.

    Quotation needed. I think that you are considerably underestimating amount of 'angry Muslims' in the world.
    If you would say 99.9% of Muslims aren't _actively_ involved in terrorism - sure. But oppose?

    Because, again, religions aren't hive minds. Members don't really have much influence over each other, and they have even less influence over people who have already proven themselves willing to kill.

    Now, this is pure BS. Religions are closest thing people have to hive minds (I count cults of dictators, like in NK, as a religion, even if it is not using world 'god'). Religons influence minds of people in extreme ways. Think about Scientists or other strange cults/sects - this is example of religion completely brainwashing the person. Bigger religions are trying to be slightly more subtle, but still, religion is probably best mind manipulation tool ever invented by mankind.

  10. The Emperor has no clothes. by westlake · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Clearing away the brush.

    The Malaysian National Space Agency (MNSA) and its Department of Islamic Development held a two-day conference in April [of 2006]. They invited 150 scholars, scientists, and astronauts to discuss "Islam and Life in Space."

    Five times a day (before sunrise, at midday, in late afternoon, after sunset, and at night), earth-bound muezzins call Muslims to prayer. A spaceship traveling 17,400 miles per hour orbits the earth 16 times in a day. Does that mean praying 80 times in 24 hours?

    If interrupting work to pray is not possible, the astronaut may practice a shorter version of the prayer or combine midday and afternoon prayer times, or the evening and night ones.

    The next problem: Where is Mecca?

    Muslims on Earth face Mecca, in central Saudi Arabia, when they pray. The MNSA suggests that the astronaut pray toward Mecca as much as possible, or at the Earth in general. But if it becomes necessary, the astronaut may simply face any direction.

    How does an Islamic astronaut face Mecca in orbit?

    The conference went on to discuss a broad range of concerns. To sum up: The rituals of the Islamic faith are meant to focus the believer's attention on his relationship with his God. They are not an exercise in puzzle-logic and they do not require a geometric or technological solution.

    Moving on.

    In January 2014, former German astronaut Ulrich Walter strongly criticized the project for ethical reasons. Speaking with Berlin's Tagesspiegel, he estimated the probability of reaching Mars alive at only thirty percent, and that of surviving there more than three months at less than twenty percent. He said, "They make their money with that [TV] show. They don't care what happens to those people in space...

    Mars One

    Captain John Smith ran a tight ship and had no use for the Virginian colonist whose plans were based on magical thinking and not careful planning, adequate material and financial resources and a rigorous internal discipline.

    He published a list of supplies he believed to be the minimum requirements for survival on the frontier: essentially a year's supply of all consumables and durable goods, and allowing for a generous margin of safety.

    New France saw one or two supply ships a year, which may give you some idea of the expense. New France, remember, had an economically viable export trade in furs and unflinching support from the crown. Those ships would be coming, hell or high water. Other colonies were less favored.

    Smith's budget has no allowance for a healthy communal and social life. Entertainment, education, religion and so on.

    No successful American colonial settlement ever began with a base as small as twenty or bound to a space that is at once so physically confined and isolated. I would expect to see alcohol as a problem. I would expect to see suicide as a problem.