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Indian Hustle: How Fraudsters Prey On Would-be US Tech Workers
New submitter angel115 points out this article on the widespread fraud committed in India against many thousands of those seeking visas to work in the U.S. Many Indian techies rely on the services of visa brokers (or people who claim to be), and end up burned by the transaction. From the article: "Some are lucky enough to get a visa — only to find that the promised job in the US doesn’t materialize. Then the visa holders are forced to return to India after spending thousands of dollars just surviving. ... No official figures are available for the number of frauds in India, but an unclassified document released by Wikileaks showed that in 2009, US consular officials cited H-1B scams as one of the two most common fraud categories in India." Another interesting detail: As part of a U.S. government investigation, "Officers investigated 150 companies in the city and discovered that 77 percent 'turned out to be fraudulent or highly suspect.' ... Officials uncovered a scheme where Hyderabadis were claiming to work for made-up companies in Pune so the Mumbai consulate would be less suspicious about their applications. 'The Hyderabadis claimed that they had opened shell companies in Bangalore because "everyone knows Hyderabad has fraud and Bangalore is reputable,” according to the internal communiqué [later published by Wikileaks]."
Can't They just live and work in India? . There is ample opportunity in India waiting to be tapped. The very first time I saw a US visa applicants queue at one embassy , I decided never to be a part of this . No wonder the Americans are fed up of all these fellas . And whats worse is they form the Indian stereotype in the US . Many who have made the H1 B or whatever seem to believe that they have achieved some "higher ground" by working in the US . I can't get it . I value fellas who write good shell scripts more than these " yum bee yea's " .
The left don't believe in artificial borders, because that's just exploiting third world workers for the benefit of the West.
The right don't believe in artificial borders, because it implies state control over movement.
Who is it that supports immigration controls, exactly?
Cue jokes about call centre workers and other Indian tech. stereotypes.
But instead the US companies use these indentured servants to keep skilled labor wages down.
There is nothing more fun than wasting hours every day explaining basic concepts to our h1-b teams who can barely communicate in English. The customers certainly love the cryptic messaging in the software.
To me this just seems like a good way to weed out the idiots.
There is nothing more fun than wasting hours every day explaining basic concepts to our h1-b teams who can barely communicate in English.
So don't explain them. Let them figure it out. Agree amongst yourselves not to prop up gross incompetence. You don't have to be blatant about it: just explain at the same level you'd explain to someone of average competence, and let it be their responsibility to figure out the rest.
This is the sort of thing where even the most primitive organization of labor would act in your favor. "Why isn't this done?" "That guy over there." "He says you didn't explain things." [response of everyone] "Yes, we did. He is not competent and doesn't understand a thing."
The misery doesn't end if they actually get into the US with a job. Once they apply for a green card US law requires they work for the same company for 7 years. The contracting companies use this to their advantage. I've seen friends being delayed given documents needed to prove how long they worked. I don't know all the details of what they go through, but I've heard enough to not want to hire from certain companies again.
Poor Indian technical workers... yet there are many Americans without jobs. Taking a risk coming to the US for a job? I guess they don't realize they will work in US I.T. sweatshops.
Yes, am sounding insensitive to folks in India. However, am sitting on the other side, where my company has moved all Sys Admin and Database Admin overseas. Posting Anon to keep my resume hopes up. When the f*ck are we going to wake up and take care of our country? Folks collectively spend billions getting the degrees and experience, only to get jobs at Walmart; where they can't even pay their student loans. To top it, we continue to support FB, Google, M$ and others who continue to push for underpaid H1V1 visas...
How slow internet is in the US.... slower than their trains....
gremlins http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=internet%20throttling%20shills%20&sm=3
Jobs are moved to another country because of economic incentives. That is the essence of capitalism ... to seek efficiency through a free market. How can you mix up the profit motive with some mishmash of patriotism and insecurity ?
I lived in China for a while and similar scams were common there. I remember having to explain to a friend there, a trained nurse, why paying around $1500 up front for a company that said they would get her a Canadian visa and a (huge by Chinese standards) salary around $1200 a month. It was not an immigration visa that would let her stay long term, but a domestic servant visa for a live-in job caring for an Alzheimer's patient.
The Canadian embassy had warnings on their web site that 'visa consultants' were unnecessary since you could do everything yourself, and in particular that anyone claiming to have "connections" to make a visa more likely or quicker was lying.
I did not know that sociopathic tendencies, like destroying lives, have become the new standard in capitalism. But you must be right. this is not "capitalism", what we have now days, this is new and improved "global capitalism".
People should really try to evolve beyond "but, but... this is economic incentives" bull shit excuse and start looking at the bigger picture.
I've had several Indian contractors in my little work area lately who seem to constantly be on the phone about problems with their paychecks or tax forms. One guy didn't get paid for several weeks because "the guy who signs the checks is out of the country on business." A couple other ones had their first few paychecks held (Which seems to be a common practice but illegal at least under this state's law.) I suggested they bring their complaints up with the state labor board, but they don't appear to be willing to do that.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
Who is it that supports immigration controls, exactly?
If you have no immigration controls then you will essentially have a situation where people will move to other countries speculatively. This will put a vast strain on resources like education, and so on. You also need to decide how you are going to handle out-of-work benefits, and historically courts have often differed in decisions on entitlement from what the government intended (how do you deal with a family with one foreign born parent - and are courts going to decide that the same must apply to an extended family with one Western born child?). Even if you make a draconian decision that no benefits can go to any family with a foreign-born member then if you have no restrictions you could end up with shanty-towns on the edge of every major city, increased crime rates (most people will do something rather than starve if the minimum wage job that would be a fortune at home doesn't come arround.
Then there are terrorists. Granted three are many peaceful people in India; Hindus, Sikhs, Jains, Buddhists, Christians, and Agnostics, but they also have a large number of Muslim terrorists. You can be sure they'd see an open door policy as an invitation to attack the west.
Correct me if I misunderstood something here but these people are trying to commit visa fraud themselves. They are paying a company for the purpose of getting a visa just so they can get into the country to look for a job with other companies in the US and transfer their visa. They know that these are shell companies that will not actually employ them.
are you going to stop doing Y just because its taking longer to sort X?? Both are disconnected events. Infact Y here being the space program brings the country prestige and showcases its prowess as a technological giant. This has nothing to do with the problems it faces. And these problems cannot be solved by stopping any such research. Or you would have had a country with lots of problems and not even a space program for that matter. btw the ISRO sent satellites discovered that there is water on the moon.
you cant buy lunch for $1 even in India for a week. Maybe for two days max ... i.e. if you forego dinner and breakfast.
Similar to a drug user getting ripped off by a drug dealer...
Why is moving jobs to foreign country not treated as treason?
You may be interested to know that treason is the only crime defined in the United States Constitution.
It is defined in Germany as a violent attempt against the order of the Federal Republic of Germany (for high treason), or betraying a state secret for the purposes of harming the state (for treason).
India is not the United States' or Germany's enemy, even serving in India's army and killing people on India's behest is not treason, as long as India is not at a state of war (declared or undeclared) with that person's own country and the acts are not against that person's own countries or its allies.
As far as German law is concerned, unless the intent is explicitly to cause harm to the German state, one cannot be convicted of treason. As far as American law is concerned, unless it is helping America's enemies or directly waging war against America, it cannot be treason.
So, that's basically why it's not treason.
When Argumentum ad Hominem falls short, try Argumentum ad Matrem
Clearly you have not been to India.
Let me put it this way. It is a shithole with a few exotic palaces dotted around and some fancy buildings owned by the Indian billionaires who believe charity should begin at their own home.
The place is corrupt - everything is done with bribes and every Indian worker is simultaneously brown nosing his boss at the same time he is trying to stab him in the back.
And they bring these fine habits to the US. (And they learned the wonderful trick if you oppose them, why you're a racist.)
This is not just visas to the West, but also to the Middle east, and Asia pacific, visa agencies and bodyshops have been scamming people forever. There were movies made mocking how these tricksters operate. Back in the Y2K days when tech workers from India were brought to the US in large numbers there was a practice of falsifying University degrees. These Scams Scoundrels and suckers have always been around.
I would think a thread like this on an IT-oriented site would drum up quite a bit of feedback from Indians that have migrated to America (under any circumstances). Though I share the same sentiments as many U.S.-based posters have (hate cleaning-up/debugging horrible code, dealing with people who hide their lack of comprehension behind a Yes-Man veil, etc), I'm curious how "the other half lives".
/. about the how's and why's -- But I think this thread is a great opportunity to "hear it from the horses mouth".
What drives someone in India to come to the US, rather than improving their situation at home?
What challenges did they have getting here?
How have they secured their stay?
I mean, I can surmise with the best of
"When I am king, you will be first against the wall..."
Yeah that doesn't work, where I'm at they are in bed with the off shore companies and it's been made very clear their failure is our failure. It rolls down hill, the only thing you can do is leave and hope you don't run in to the same situation again.
Maybe they can get a job with "Windows Tech Support" calling to tell me my computer's infected...
These sore loser Indians need to quit whining about somebody stealing their cheese!!!!
AHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA
If you want to 'own' a job, start a business. Otherwise shut the fuck up.
If losing a job destroys your life, you were unprepared for life.
The sociopaths here are the entitled workers, who think they are set for life, regardless of business reality.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Dear Hippie,
The purpose of corporations is not to provide people with jobs. The purpose of corporations is not even to produce goods and services. Those are happy side effects surrounding (but not all) corporations.
The sole purpose of corporations is to make a profit. Sorry they did not teach you that in government school.
HTH
Stay out of the U.S., serves you right for being taken advantage of...American STEM workers want you OUT Raja, GO HOME VISA!!!!
In the US, the Constitution says that treason consists of waging war against the US, or aiding and abetting its enemies. How does moving a factory apply?
The fraudsters defraud Indians at home? Gosh, what a gosh-darn shame. Maybe they will take all their money and force all these folks to stay in India.
Can't USA just stop importing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
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