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How An Astronaut Nearly Drowned During a Space Walk

Hugh Pickens DOT Com writes "About 44 minutes into a 6.5-hour spacewalk last July, Italian astronaut Luca Parmitano noted that water was building up inside his helmet – the second consecutive spacewalk during which he reported the problem. As Parmitano worked his way back to the air lock, water covered his eyes, filled his ears, disrupted communications, and eventually began to enter his nose, making it difficult for him to breathe. 'I know that if the water does overwhelm me I can always open the helmet,' wrote Parmitano about making it to the airlock. 'I'll probably lose consciousness, but in any case that would be better than drowning inside the helmet.' Later, when crew mates removed his helmet, they found that it contained at least 1.5 quarts of water. In a 122-page report released Wednesday, a mishap investigation board identified a range of causes for the near-tragedy, including organizational causes that carried echoes of accident reports that followed the loss of the shuttles Challenger and Columbia and their crews in 1986 and 2003. Engineers traced the leak to a fan-and-pump assembly that is part of a system that extracts moisture from the air inside the suit and returns it to the suit's water-based cooling system. Contaminants clogged holes that would have carried the water to the cooling system after it was extracted from the air. The water backed up and flowed into the suit's air-circulation system, which sent it into Parmitano's helmet (PDF).

The specific cause of the contamination is still under investigation but investigators also identified deeper causes, one of which involved what some accident-investigation specialists have dubbed the 'normalization of deviance' – small malfunctions that appear so often that eventually they are accepted as normal. In this case, small water leaks had been observed in space-suit helmets for years, despite the knowledge that the water could form a film on the inside of a helmet, fogging the visor or reacting with antifogging chemicals on the visor in ways that irritate eyes. NASA officials are not planning on resuming non-urgent spacewalks before addressing all 16 of the highest priority suggestions from the Mishap Investigation Board. 'I think it's a tribute to the agency that we're not hiding this stuff, that we're actually out trying to describe these things, and to describe where we can get better,' says William Gerstenmaier, associate administrator for NASA's Human Exploration and Operations Mission Directorate. 'I think that's how we prevent Columbias and Challengers.'"

144 comments

  1. Play it safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't go into space again. Ever!

    1. Re:Play it safe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Michelle Bachmann sez: if God wanted us to go into outer space, he'd have given us gills so we can breathe underwater.

      Michelle Bachmann things (very dimly) that going into space doesn't help my corporate buddies, so fuck outer space.

  2. Quarts? by Megane · · Score: 4, Funny

    Later, when crew mates removed his helmet, they found that it contained at least 1.5 quarts of water.

    Or at least 1.5 liters of water, if you're Canadian.

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    1. Re:Quarts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's not beer, so they don't really care.

    2. Re:Quarts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What is the preferred unit of measurement for maple syrup?

    3. Re:Quarts? by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 5, Funny

      Mouthfuls

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    4. Re:quarts? by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      Five nicks or twenty-five penns. Also, one fourth of a doll.

    5. Re:quarts? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      1 Quart equals 0.0040 hogsheads

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    6. Re:quarts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, this is really getting ridiculous! I am not from the States but I have at least a vague idea of the sizes of fluid ounces, gallons and cubic inches.

      Why is there an even more obscure measurement unit in a text about sci/eng? SI, anyone?

      And don't get me started on baking recipes...

    7. Re:quarts? by PPH · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:Quarts? by canadiannomad · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I needed a conversion on that.. I was thinking "what kinda scientist is using quarts?"

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    9. Re:quarts? by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      Well if you were from Burma, you wouldn't have been confused.

    10. Re:quarts? by Wookact · · Score: 1

      A quart is approx a liter.
      If you must be pedantic, and someone will 1qt = 0.94635L
      But for small amounts of liquid like in this story it is acceptable to just mentally translate quart to liter.

    11. Re:quarts? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      Roughly .000004 Olympic Sized Swimming Pools.

    12. Re:quarts? by minstrelmike · · Score: 1

      And maybe measurements are the entire problem with the filter.
      You know, mixing quarts and litres like they mixed metres and yards on some mission.

    13. Re:Quarts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think this is more a reference that this also happened to Chris Hadfield in 2001, could be wrong though.

    14. Re:quarts? by cellocgw · · Score: 2

      Well if you were from Burma, you wouldn't have been confused

      So, how many *shaves* per quart?

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    15. Re:quarts? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      What is a quart?

      0.000254 libraries of congress I believe.

      In other words, 0.037 football fields.

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    16. Re:quarts? by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure how a quart is a more obscure measurement than a gallon or fluid ounce. If anything, I think a fluid ounce is more obscure than a quart, at least to the population at large.

  3. I'm confused by Muros · · Score: 1

    Was that 1.5 quarters of eight American or English pints?

    1. Re:I'm confused by Megane · · Score: 5, Funny

      A quart is a quarter of a gallon, not a quarter of a pint. Now pint off, you tablespooner.

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    2. Re:I'm confused by Muros · · Score: 1

      A quart is a quarter of a gallon, not a quarter of a pint. Now pint off, you tablespooner.

      And are these gallons of yours some newfangled ones that are not made up of 8 pints?

    3. Re:I'm confused by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Funny

      Maybe it's an African or European pint.

      Ask a King. They know such silly things...

    4. Re:I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It comes in pints???

    5. Re:I'm confused by noh8rz10 · · Score: 0

      jebus
      4 quarts in a gallon
      2 pints in a quart
      2 cups in a pint
      8 fluid ounces in a cup
      2 tablespoons in a fluid ounce
      3 teaspoons in a tablespoon.

      any qs?

    6. Re:I'm confused by Muros · · Score: 1

      any qs?

      No questions. I was merely pointing out that Megane above did not read what I wrote. Obviously you didn't either. Nevermind.

    7. Re:I'm confused by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      1 microliter = 10E-6 liters
      1 ml of distilled water weighs (more or less) 1 gram
      1000 ml = 1 liter

      I win !

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    8. Re:I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate this system. I wish we just started off metric.

    9. Re:I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know how milk and elephants are alike?

      They both come in quarts.

    10. Re:I'm confused by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      why do you hate it? it makes just as much sense as anything else. going up from there, 42 gal in a barrel. I'm not sure what unit of measurement is bigger than a barrel. there's all sorts of things smaller than a teaspoon, but I don't know them well. a dram, eg.

    11. Re:I'm confused by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      why do you hate it? it makes just as much sense as anything else

      That's sort of the problem. It doesn't make as much sense as anything else unless you had it beat into you as a child.. Things are divided by 2's , 3's, 4's and 8's and 12's and there's 5,280 feet in a mile FFS.

      Sure, there's pints of beer worldwide, but it's not hard to keep thing straight in the Metric system, other than perhaps the danger of being off by an order of magnitude.

    12. Re:I'm confused by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      got it. 1 fluid dram = 8 fluid ounces = 0.75 teaspoons ~ 4 ml

    13. Re:I'm confused by asylumx · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure what unit of measurement is bigger than a barrel.

      I believe you're looking for a "Library of congress" which is generally agreed to be larger than a barrel.

    14. Re:I'm confused by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what unit of measurement is bigger than a barrel.

      Furlongs. Several barrels would fit in a furlong.

      Or was it a "chain"? No, a chain is the length of a cricket pitch. Americans wouldn't understand that.

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    15. Re:I'm confused by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1

      If two people independently read the same meaning in a message you've written, it's unlikely the problem is with the reader.

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    16. Re:I'm confused by willy_me · · Score: 2

      Not all gallons are the same. Muros must have thought this was obvious. I thought it was obvious.

      If two people independently read the same meaning in a message you've written, it's unlikely the problem is with the reader.

      Only true with a small audience. When read by thousands, the two that could not figure it out are to blame.

    17. Re:I'm confused by dryeo · · Score: 1

      any qs?

      Yes, what happened to the other 32 fluid ounces needed to make a gallon, which of course was defined as 10 lbs of water at 62 degrees Fahrenheit and is now defined as 4.54609 litres.
      4 quarts in a gallon
      2 pints in a quart
      4 gills in a pint
      5 fluid ounces in a gill
      160 fluid ounces in a true gallon.

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    18. Re:I'm confused by Muros · · Score: 1

      God this is tedious. I was making a joke. It wasn't a very funny one, but that is all it was. I made a joke about someone describing a volume as 1.5 times a quarter of eight of something we can't all agree on. I very clearly referred to a quart as a quarter of 8 pints, to which Megane retorted "A quart is a quarter of a gallon, not a quarter of a pint." Excellent reading comprehension skills there. When I asked if there was some kind of gallon that was not made of 8 pints, given that Megane was trying very hard to contradict me while actually agreeing with me, noh8rz10 replied with a condescending reply saying that yes, there are 8 pints in a gallon, and asking if I had any other questions that need answering. Now, I know it is extremely unfashionable on this site to read the article, but it does behoove one to read the comment they are replying to, and in cases where you are making comment on other peoples comments on previous comments, to read the whole bloody thread. In this case, there were 4 sentences, apart from a list of measurement conversions, to read, and you somehow arrived at the conclusion that rather than the possibility that there are 2 people on the internet who are incapable of reading 10 words correctly, that I must have phrased my words incorrectly, and you choose this as a way of deciding instead of reading 4 sentences?

    19. Re:I'm confused by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      furlongs are measurements of length, and barrels are measurements of volume. i suppose you could compare barrels to cubic furlongs, but what's the point in that?

    20. Re:I'm confused by Muros · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I'm glad someone saw what I meant :(

    21. Re:I'm confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why do you hate it? it makes just as much sense as anything else

      That's sort of the problem. It doesn't make as much sense as anything else unless you had it beat into you as a child.. Things are divided by 2's , 3's, 4's and 8's and 12's and there's 5,280 feet in a mile FFS.

      Sure, there's pints of beer worldwide, but it's not hard to keep thing straight in the Metric system, other than perhaps the danger of being off by an order of magnitude.

      It makes as much sense as anything else when you use it the way it's intended to be used, which doesn't generally involve converting between units types much.

      The sizes are chosen to be convenient for certain tasks (like cooking) and to be easily split into halves an quarters. You're not supposed to do frequent conversions between the units, as you'll instead pull the appropriately sized measuring cup, fill it to a water, half, three quarters or full line, some number of times, and be done with it.

      Metric is more awkward for these tasks because you have to measure things more precisely and are expected to do frequent conversions.

    22. Re:I'm confused by excelsior_gr · · Score: 1

      We're an autonomous commune, you insensitive clod!

  4. On the bright side by tippe · · Score: 5, Funny

    at least it wasn't a failure of the space suit's urine collection system...

    1. Re:On the bright side by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      Anyone else reminded of the scene in Brazil where the air condition repairmen are shitted to death?

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    2. Re:On the bright side by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 2

      at least it wasn't a failure of the space suit's urine collection system...

      which begs the question... is there an efficient fart collection system? In space, no one can smell you toot.

    3. Re:On the bright side by OakDragon · · Score: 2

      Well there was a "turd on the run" on Apollo 10. Tellingly, no one owned up to it.

    4. Re:On the bright side by Kelbear · · Score: 1

      I'm told that farts just recirculate through the suit's life-support systems. They just have to endure. Space is hard.

    5. Re:On the bright side by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      which begs the question...

      It does no such thing.

    6. Re:On the bright side by chis101 · · Score: 1
      It says right there in your Wikipedia article:

      The term "begging the question" originated in the 16th century as a mistranslation of Latin petitio principii "assuming the initial point". In modern vernacular usage, "to beg the question" more frequently is used to mean "to raise the question" (as in "This begs the question of whether ") or "to dodge the question".

      It does go on to say that authorities deem such usage to be mistaken or unclear, but I don't know if I'd say he was incorrect. Language evolves.

    7. Re:On the bright side by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 1

      ouch

    8. Re:On the bright side by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      It's just one of those pet peeves, and one of those things I'm willing to take the reputation hit on when it's marked "troll." I'm good with language evolving. For example, "Texted" was a word a long time ago, but it didn't mean what it means today, and there isn't a need to always say, "I sent him a text message" over "I texted him."

      Begs the question, OTOH, is just one of those things said because people heard someone else say it, so they assume it makes them more erudite for having said it too. It's like "further," where people think the UUUURRRR sound makes them sound like they're holding a pinkie in the air while drinking tea. ...and now we allow further to mean distance as well.

      Numbs my mind how many space-related stories use "further" to talk about distance. :/

  5. summery by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Funny

    Was that actually a good summary for once, or the entire article!

    I guess it stops the usual misinformed, ignorant posts based on a couple of sensationalist headline based loosely upon something that was slightly related to the article from being posted.

  6. Stupid question by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Couldn't he have, you know, drank the water that was building up?

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    1. Re:Stupid question by scotts13 · · Score: 2

      Couldn't he have, you know, drank the water that was building up?

      That IS a stupid... No, actually, it's not. I'm going to assume, however, that drinking a fluid that's probably floating around as globules inside your helmet, without choking on it, would be tricky. Also, "Ewww, helmet water!"

    2. Re:Stupid question by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'd still pick "eww" over drowning, as drowning is supposedly one of the more painful ways to die.

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    3. Re:Stupid question by danomatika · · Score: 5, Informative

      Couldn't he have, you know, drank the water that was building up?

      Without gravity, water floats in bubbles you can't easily blow out of the way and the surface tension can keep the film intact over your nose & mouth if their is enough. If you inhale a bubble, all you have is the force of your breath to blow it out. You can easily imagine a scenario where you run out of air in your lungs as the bubbles keep floating in front of your face in the helmet. Scary is putting it mildly.

    4. Re:Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Water acts a bit odd in low gravity situations. It was sticking to the helmet, and since he couldn't use his hands to guide the water to his mouth, it'd be very difficult to drink most of the water.

      Ha, captcha is "gravity."

    5. Re:Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Holy Shit! You should work for NASA!

      I'm picturing the scene now...

      "sppphhhhh. This is Houston, we have a solution for you. We need you to start drinking the water in your helmet."

      "Ahhh houston this is ISS, do we know this liquid is not toxic?, nevermind, OK here goes."

      The question is could you come up with that great idea while your helmet is quickly filling up with water. Seriously, I wonder how fast the water was coming in? I started off posting this in a sarcastic tone and now I think you've won me over.

    6. Re:Stupid question by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Water would float around and collect in blobs. There's no gravity after all. If anything, this would feel a lot like waterboarding; or so I would imagine. Not enough to kill you, but make you feel like you're drowning.

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    7. Re:Stupid question by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Hydrogen bonds causes water to behave very different in micro and zero gravity. What you propose may make sense under Earth gravity, but not in orbit.

      Article and video on Live Science

      Fun youtube video

      If you find that at all interesting you should look up how fire behaves in space.

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    8. Re:Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the bubbles block your mouth, you can swallow them. If they don't, you can still breathe.

    9. Re:Stupid question by SJHillman · · Score: 3, Funny

      I haven't heard any dead people complaining about it.

    10. Re:Stupid question by SJHillman · · Score: 1

      The Martians will never penetrate our water armor!

    11. Re:Stupid question by gerardrj · · Score: 5, Informative

      The liquid floating around in the helmet would have eventually drowned him. Doing nothing was 100% certain death; the liquid water was effectively toxic.
      Drinking the liquid (which may have been toxic) would have prevented the drowning and provided more time to evacuate him to the interior of ISS. If the liquid were poisonous, medical attention could then be rendered and an evacuation to Earth would be possible.

      This is similar to being stranded in the wild: it is always better to drink even smelly water than to die of dehydration. You will most likely be found and returned to civilization before any toxic effect or biological infection from the water you drink would cause any serious health risks. Not drinking could cause your death in a few hours, toxic water would usually take at least a few days to a week to kill you (if you remain untreated).

      This of course ignoring the entire question of HOW to drink the water.

      If I were NASA I'd take a two-step approach to the issue:

      1. Fix the damed leaks.
      2. Install a large hydroscopic surface area water/air separator inside the helmet with a straw within reach of the astronaut's mouth. In emergency you can breath through the straw.

      Regardless of this issue, it is apparent that the astronauts need an external "man down" signaling device they can activate from muscle memory. The device needs to alert on each of: the comms frequency, visually (flashing light) and on some other dedicated emergency radio frequency with detectors both within the station as well as on Earth.

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    12. Re:Stupid question by schlachter · · Score: 2

      the question is did he know it was drinkable "water" and not something toxic.

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    13. Re:Stupid question by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Now, perhaps microgravity does weird things, but my understanding is that the surface tension of water would cause beads of water to form spherical blobs. Any blobs that touch would generally combine to form larger spherical blobs, and so on.

      I didn't suggest blowing them out of the way. I suggested sucking them into the mouth, and then swallowing them. Presumably, if they're near the nose, exhaling through the nose would push them towards the mouth. If they're not near the nose or the mouth, then they're not a threat to breathing.

      I wouldn't expect water to create a film over any surface, as that would not maximize the ratio of volume to surface area (which is what surface tension accomplishes). I similarly wouldn't expect the water to exist as a fine mist or any other collection of small blobs, since surface tension causes water to "stick" to itself, resulting in the merging of any smaller blobs.

      Then again, I've never played with water in microgravity. Considering launching a kickstarter where you can fund my flight aboard the Vomit Comet, where I will attempt to drink blobs of free-floating water in microgravity while I wear a bikini and show off my moobs ala Kate Upton. Any takers?

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    14. Re:Stupid question by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      You can easily imagine a scenario where you run out of air in your lungs as the bubbles keep floating in front of your face in the helmet.

      Google tells me that the average lung holds 6.3 quarts. Judging by how unpleasant half a sipful of water inhaled can be, that sounds literally like torture, but is 1.5 quarts enough to drown in? I guess this probably hasn't been tested in microgravity...

    15. Re:Stupid question by RKThoadan · · Score: 1

      Click through some of the articles above and you'll discover that for the one emergency EVA they've done since this incident they installed snorkels, although they actually go down towards the midriff. They also installed an absorbent pad in the back of the helmet. Notably this was all MacGyvered up from equipment they had on-board.

      Linky: http://www.space.com/24027-nas...

    16. Re:Stupid question by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 1

      Someone just invented Nose Powered Space Helmet Pinball.

    17. Re:Stupid question by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      I'd still pick "eww" over drowning, as drowning is supposedly one of the more painful ways to die.

      painful? i haven't heard that. I do some free diving and have a respectable ~2ish minute breath hold under water. I personally have never experienced shallow water blackout, but i know people who have. it doesn't sound like they ever were in pain. they just blacked out, had someone not rescued them they would have drowned, but the last thing they remembered was peacefully swimming under water. maybe i'm not drowning right.

      on topic, i'd chose drinking the helmet water over drowning too.

    18. Re:Stupid question by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Drowning is not painful, because it allows CO2 exchange.

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    19. Re:Stupid question by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm guessing you've never had a sip of water go down the "wrong pipe" ?

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    20. Re:Stupid question by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

      I probably should have been more specific, drowning in small amounts of water, as it seems a lot of drowning victims do black out before inhaling water.

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    21. Re:Stupid question by mythosaz · · Score: 2

      Something more or less toxic than suffocation?

    22. Re:Stupid question by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      the question is did he know it was drinkable "water" and not something toxic.

      Why would there be toxic liquids in a space suit? The only liquids in space suits are drinking water, condensed sweat and urine.

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    23. Re:Stupid question by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      So all they need is to stick a maxipad on the inside of the helmet and it's fixed?

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    24. Re:Stupid question by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      i guess i also accept that some people don't know how to swim or are put into some scenario where they are swallowing / inhaling a mix of water and air. You can go quite some time without any air before you black out so that would likely be , if not painful, really terrifying.

      still, as someone who has both inhaled some water from time to time, and someone who has been burned form time to time, it seems that inhaling water is really far removed from burning on the gradient of most painful ways to die. Being slowly digested over a thousand years in the belly of a sarlac is probably between them.

    25. Re:Stupid question by sjames · · Score: 1

      If, due to surface tension, that 1.5 quarts forms a skin over the entire internal surface of the lungs, it's probably more than enough to drown in.

    26. Re:Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His alternative was opening up his helmet and passing out, so I think when faced with the drown, suffocate or drink mysterious water, I'll take the mysterious water every time.

    27. Re:Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. Fix the damed leaks.

      If the leaks were damed, I don't think they'd have this problem.

    28. Re:Stupid question by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Being slowly digested over a thousand years in the belly of a sarlac is probably between them.

      That part always bothered me...1000 years is a very long time. Unless there's a cantina or other source of food down there, digestion is probably the least of your worries. You'd die of dehydration or starvation long before that. And that's assuming the fall didn't kill you.

    29. Re:Stupid question by BattleApple · · Score: 1

      Just thinking about it makes me feel short of breath. I can imagine wanting to blast it away from your mouth by forcefully exhaling, but not having enough air in your lungs to do it.

    30. Re:Stupid question by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Couldn't he have, you know, drank the water that was building up?

      At the time, he was assuming it to be water. What if it was a toxic liquid? He had no way to confirm the identity of the liquid while outside the ISS.

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    31. Re:Stupid question by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't expect water to create a film over any surface

      If you are reader: Look up hydrophilic vs hydrophobic, Contact Angle or Wetting Angle, and "surface energy / surface tensions, and young's relation

      If you like videos: video

      In short antifog coatings create the very surface you don't believe exists.

    32. Re:Stupid question by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      I mean, I'll speak for myself, but if I were on the verge of drowning in space, I'd probably take my chances gulping down the liquid, even if it meant I'd have to vomit it back up once out of the suit.

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    33. Re:Stupid question by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      Indeed, any surface that is more hydrophilic than water will pull the water (pull it harder than the water pulls itself) into a thin film. That being said, I don't believe human skin meets this requirement. If water is forming a film over other non-skin surfaces, it doesn't pose much of a choking hazard.

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  7. Not impressed by Geek_Cop · · Score: 1

    Rodney McKay would have had this problem solved already.

  8. Why Didn't He Just Drink the Water? by LurkingSince1999 · · Score: 0

    Seems like a good temporary solution until he could get back to the airlock.

    1. Re:Why Didn't He Just Drink the Water? by Buchenskjoll · · Score: 1

      That's something else. It says "Couldn't he just have DRANK the water". This is a question of whether (or weather as another thread says) he could have DRUNK it.

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    2. Re:Why Didn't He Just Drink the Water? by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      Can't read. TWO FUCKING THREADS UP! jackass asshole fucktard.

      There's not many minutes of difference in the timestamps of the two similar questions. It's possible that GP was reading the thread before the first question was posted and didn't refresh the page to find out the duplicate before posting his own.

    3. Re:Why Didn't He Just Drink the Water? by LurkingSince1999 · · Score: 0

      Bite me, AC. I load interesting pages up in browser tabs first thing in the morning. Might take me an hour to get around to reading it. When I loaded the page there were exactly 3 comments on this story, none of which addressed my question.

  9. Space Seems Surprisingly Safe by Galaga88 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Given the fact that astronauts and cosmonauts have only died trying to launch from, and land on, the Earth, space itself seems surprisingly safe.

    It's probably because all the excitement and explosions occur at the taking off and landing, and most of our actual time in space is spent traveling in big circles.

    1. Re:Space Seems Surprisingly Safe by phayes · · Score: 1

      Apollo 13 came perilously close to killing astronauts while neither taking off/landing...

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    2. Re:Space Seems Surprisingly Safe by gman003 · · Score: 1

      "Perilously close" only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.

      However, Soyuz 11 killed all on board via decompression after undocking from Salyut 1, making them the only casualties to actually occur in space - and even then one could argue that they were beginning the "descent" phase, although that argument would rely on a very loose definition.

    3. Re:Space Seems Surprisingly Safe by phayes · · Score: 1

      Close also applies to nuclear weapons and the version of that saying I most commonly see includes them as well.

      If you loosen the rules to exclude Apollo 13 because it was only close to killing off the crew (yhough Lovell, Swigert & Haise would probably disagree) then I rule out Soyuz 11 as the accident only occurred once they began descent.

      Neither of us mentioned the potentially fatal accidents the Russians had on Mir: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

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    4. Re:Space Seems Surprisingly Safe by akozakie · · Score: 1

      Safe, perhaps. However, given the risks of decompression, heating malfunction, fire, explosion and plenty of other things that can go wrong in space, seeing an entry like:

      Occupation: Astronaut
      Place of death: Earth orbit
      Cause of death: Drowning

      out of context would probably be one of the most memorable WTF moments in my life. Yes, drowning is one of the risks for an astronaut, accidents during underwater training or after a wet landing are certainly possible... But in orbit?!? That's like getting mauled by a lion in the middle of a big city in US or Europe. It can happen, but you'd never consider it a real risk, until the unlikely chain of events actually materializes.

    5. Re:Space Seems Surprisingly Safe by djlemma · · Score: 1

      The Soyuz 11 cosmonauts died in space. A valve was damaged and their capsule depressurized when they were 104 miles up. Their capsule re-entered normally and when the recovery team opened it up, 3 asphyxiated cosmonauts inside.

    6. Re:Space Seems Surprisingly Safe by Mateorabi · · Score: 1

      I prefer the "horseshoes, hand grenades, and tactical nuclear weapons" variant.

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  10. quarts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What is a quart?

  11. Big bang space toilet episode comes to mind. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Big bang space toilet episode comes to mind.

  12. The Bravery of Coming Forward After Being Caught by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'I think it's a tribute to the agency that we're not hiding this stuff, that we're actually out trying to describe these things, and to describe where we can get better."

    Except you were hiding it, for years. You only revealed it when it caused such a crisis that it could not longer be hidden.

  13. normal deviants by minstrelmike · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "normalization of deviance" is what caused the problems. I can see fundamentalists having a field day with that one.

    Actually looking directly at the problem is the only way to fix it ultimately.
    I like Bob Lewis' take on investigations in a blog he wrote about NASA vs other government Agencies.
    http://www.issurvivor.com/shop...

    1. Re:normal deviants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, you'd probably want to avoid using those two words close together on tumblr.

  14. Always the problem with NASA by gerardrj · · Score: 1, Insightful

    They ignore obviously risk laden malfunctions and events until someone is killed or put in serious jeopardy in a public manner. If this astronaut had not almost drowned the issue would still be getting ignored.

    Time, and time again NASA managers ignore risk and push the "go" mentality. I can't think of a single death or significant injury/risk in the NASA programs where the end result of investigation was "well, it was an unforeseeable accident". Each and every case I recall there were engineers saying "there's a problem we need to fix" and managers just kept ignoring it. From Gemini and Apollo through the SST and now the ISS; this is a disease at the core of NASA that needs to be sterilized.

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    1. Re:Always the problem with NASA by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I can't think of a single death or significant injury/risk in the NASA programs where the end result of investigation was "well, it was an unforeseeable accident". Each and every case I recall there were engineers saying "there's a problem we need to fix" and managers just kept ignoring it.

      Your recollection doesn't match mine, and I've spent decades studying the space program. The loss of Challenger comes close, but even then the engineers had been complacent about joint blow-by and O-ring erosion until the eleventh hour - which contributed in a large part to managements confusion and distrust.

      I know there's a Cult Of The Engineer here on Slashdot, but it's badly misguided. Engineers are human, and they do fuck up.

    2. Re: Always the problem with NASA by FuzzNugget · · Score: 1

      So, you're saying that engineers trying earnestly to do things right are being stifled by management? I don't think this problem is exclusive to NASA.

    3. Re:Always the problem with NASA by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      So, how often did engineers say "there's a problem we need to fix" compared to the times there was a real problem? It could be that NASA just had anxious engineers who provided little insight into whether there really was a problem.

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  15. Re:The Bravery of Coming Forward After Being Caugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup!

    That first line, 'I think it's a tribute to the agency that we're not hiding this stuff", pretty much sums up our present political atmosphere, and attitude towards certain government funded agencies. Absolutely unebievable.

  16. Gov't No better than commercial by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this was a commercial enterprise, two thirds of the posts here would be anti-corporate only-seeking-profit kind of posts. However even government institutions, which are supposed to be above profit as a motivator, are prone to ignoring constant malfunctions and not addressing "organizational malfunctions not addressed since previous tragedies". At least with profit as a motivator corporations are easy to manipulate; hit their bottom line for safety malfunctions and they'll solve the problem in no time.

    Don't see any criticisms of government inefficiencies in any of the posts here though. Surprise, surprise.

  17. What is wrong with you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Why is so hard to use sensible units of measure?
    WHAT THE FUCK IS A QUART?

    1. Re:What is wrong with you people? by Bigbutt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stupid people on the internet again. Hey, why not just bring up google and type in "convert 1.5 quarts to quatloos" or whatever your preferred method of measure is? Mandarin is the most common language on Earth. Why aren't we typing in a sensible language like Mandarin?

      Idiot.

      [John]

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    2. Re:What is wrong with you people? by allcoolnameswheretak · · Score: 0

      I just googled 'Mandarin' and the Internets told me it can be a Chinese language, a type of orange or a comic.
      So according to the Internets the chance that you don't make sense is 66%.

      Also, you have a big butt.

    3. Re:What is wrong with you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you understand the concept of an international standard?

    4. Re:What is wrong with you people? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      You do know what "contextual clues" are, right?

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    5. Re:What is wrong with you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do. I also understand the concept of not being a helpless ignorant person.

    6. Re:What is wrong with you people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you do know allcoolnameswheretak is just a chatbot and thus not very good at contextual clues...

    7. Re:What is wrong with you people? by Jakeula · · Score: 1

      Seriously? I thought we were on Slashdot, a place where nerds hope real nerd worthy news is aggregated. My mistake. We must be in a middle school classroom. Here let me explain how you can find simple answers in the future: GOOGLE IT! need the link too? https://www.google.com/ - there ya go. type in "what is a quart" and you get a definition and a converter on that very page. I know, I must be some technical wizard to have solved this so fast.

  18. And yet he still found time to write by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    'I know that if the water does overwhelm me I can always open the helmet,' wrote Parmitano about making it to the airlock. 'I'll probably lose consciousness, but in any case that would be better than drowning inside the helmet.'

    I must go now as I can no longer breathe, yours sincerely, astronaut dude.

    Reminds me of Eddie Izzard's take on Pliny the Elder's letters from Pompeii.

    Dear friends,

    Fookin' top's come off the mountain! Ahhhh! Send ships and big ships, send ducks, send anything!

    Love and kisses,

    Pliny the Elder

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    1. Re:And yet he still found time to write by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Well, there's a momentary release valve. It would have dumped his suit pressure when activated, which would have ejected the water. Not a pleasant process, but it's not like he would have to take the helmet off...

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  19. Wouldn't opening the helmet clear the water? by Electricity+Likes+Me · · Score: 1

    It seems like at least one option would've been to unseal the helmet and open it just enough to suck the air out of the suit - which hopefully would dislodge the water, or freeze it, which would give some time to fix the ice build up.

    1. Re:Wouldn't opening the helmet clear the water? by the+grace+of+R'hllor · · Score: 1

      I doubt you'd be able to reseal the helmet once you break the seal, so you can't just "open it enough". Once you open it, it would depressurize the suit to a vacuum, which is not where a person wants to be.

    2. Re:Wouldn't opening the helmet clear the water? by captainClassLoader · · Score: 1

      The article summary has a link to Parmitano's blog in which he mentions your solution: "The only idea I can think of is to open the safety valve by my left ear: if I create controlled depressurisation, I should manage to let out some of the water, at least until it freezes through sublimation, which would stop the flow. But making a ‘hole’ in my spacesuit really would be a last resort."

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  20. Did he forget his Diaper? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    That would be a horrible way to die.

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  21. Dear god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That situation sounds extremely stressful.

  22. danger of water hugging skin by peter303 · · Score: 2

    Due to surface tension, water will flow along and hug a surface unless disrupted. So it does not have to fill the helmet, but just start crawling along the face into the nose and mouth. I've seen the micro-gravity video of someone slowly squeeze a water-full washcloth and the sheet of water crawl up his arm.

    1. Re:danger of water hugging skin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >a water-full washcloth

      The word you want is 'saturated'.

  23. Respect by bmajik · · Score: 1

    There's a new one for your nightmares.

    Drowning in a thin-sheet of zero gravity water that slowly crawls over your head and face, that you cannot wipe away because you're wearing a space suit, that you cannot take off, because you are floating in space.

    It's like something from fear factor. Imagine getting into a coffin with a window over your face, and you cannot move your arms/legs. And then you realize the coffin is full of tarantulas... because you feel them crawling up your body towards your face....

    This guy keeping his cool is an excellent testament to the training they do back on the ground.

    Reminds me of this article:

    http://www.theonion.com/articl...

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  24. Mishap Investigation Board by YalithKBK · · Score: 1

    I know this is a real thing but it sounds like something they made up on the spot. Sounds more like Aperture Science than NASA.

  25. Waterboarding by tomhath · · Score: 1

    Obviously NASA thought the astronauts knew more than they were saying. This is just a conspiracy to cover up their interrogation technique.

  26. Brass balls on this guy! by madhi19205 · · Score: 1

    "'I know that if the water does overwhelm me I can always open the helmet,' wrote Parmitano about making it to the airlock. 'I'll probably lose consciousness, but in any case that would be better than drowning inside the helmet." Wow that one cold mofo here.

    1. Re:Brass balls on this guy! by FireFury03 · · Score: 1

      "'I know that if the water does overwhelm me I can always open the helmet,' wrote Parmitano about making it to the airlock. 'I'll probably lose consciousness, but in any case that would be better than drowning inside the helmet."

      Wow that one cold mofo here.

      I believe he was already in the (repressurising) airlock by that point, so whilst taking the helmet off would have been bad, it's not quite the same as doing it in space.

      On the other hand, the helmets do have a depressurisation valve which can be opened while in space (Chris Hadfield had to use it to remove contamination from inside his suit while on EVA). ISTR that NASA had considered using that, but had concluded that the surface tension would prevent the water from migrating towards the valve so it wouldn't have worked.

  27. Re:The Bravery of Coming Forward After Being Caugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Except you were hiding it, for years.

    Hiding it? Then how come I watched it live streamed over the internet?

    http://news.nationalpost.com/2...

    Some fucking fucked up definition of "hiding" you have there. What's next? You'll accuse the US government of "hiding" the amount of national debt? Sometimes ignorance is *your own* fault. At least own up to it instead of hiding from the truth.

    And the general leaks in seals were known. They were looked at and were deemed immaterial by everyone involved, including the astronauts. That's been known for as long as US has used water in their suits.

  28. Quarts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I bet slashdot editors laugh hard when they see people bitching about measurement units used in TFS. Every time i read summary with measurement units like quarts, football fields or yards ( and never SI ), it just feels like this is definitely intentional.

  29. he was heard to say... by drewsup · · Score: 1

    Mama Mia, she's a filling up a witha agua, Helpa, someabody helpa me, ima gonna drown!

  30. Hilarious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can't even master the HELMET after half a century of floating around in the upper atmosphere, but space elevators and Mars colonies are *just* around the (3D printed) corner! Of course. Sure.

  31. MIB works for NASA? by steelfood · · Score: 1

    NASA officials are not planning on resuming non-urgent spacewalks before addressing all 16 of the highest priority suggestions from the Mishap Investigation Board.

    According to J, a member of the MIB, those spacesuits are old and busted.

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    1. Re:MIB works for NASA? by rosshalz · · Score: 1

      NASA officials are not planning on resuming non-urgent spacewalks before addressing all 16 of the highest priority suggestions from the Mishap Investigation Board.

      According to J, a member of the MIB, those spacesuits are old and busted.

      They're supposed o hide in plain sight remember? "Look into the red light people..*flash* right. You did not just see an alien space prank by teleporting water into your helmet. The water came from a faulty fan and pump assembly that extracts moisture. You will report this and find contaminants clogging the holes....."

  32. Oh yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's known in the space biz as "helmet boarding" and it is most certainly not torture. Now open up and start drinking you ugly terrorist!

  33. How fast was his helmet filling up? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He might have been able to keep drinking to stay alive.

  34. How An Astronaut Nearly Drowned During a Space Wal by Summitlake · · Score: 1

    'I think it's a tribute to the agency that we're not hiding this stuff, that we're actually out trying to do our job,' says William Gerstenmaier

  35. Radiohead by blandcramration · · Score: 1

    Isn't there a radiohead video about this? Yep http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...