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Interview: Ask Eric Raymond What You Will

Author of The Cathedral and the Bazaar and The Art of Unix Programming, Eric S.Raymond (ESR) has long been an important spokesperson for the open source movement. It's been a while since we talked to the co-founder of the Open Source Initiative so ESR has agreed to give us some of his time and answer your questions. As usual, ask as many as you'd like, but please, one question per post.

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  1. What about protocols? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    What are your feelings about protocols and file formats and keeping them open? Where do the efforts to keep protocols and file formats open and accessible to others fall on your list of priorities?

  2. Slashdot Beta by linuxci · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What do you think of Slashdot beta?

    1. Re:Slashdot Beta by i+kan+reed · · Score: 4, Informative

      Fine, taking a karma hit to provide one curious person an answer, then:

      http://soylentnews.org/

  3. Damage to the Internet by stox · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What's your opinion of the damage done to the Internet by the NSA scandal, and potentially by, the Comcast TWC merger?

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    "To those who are overly cautious, everything is impossible. "
  4. Still Surprised By Wealth? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did you get to cash out before the crash? After you infamous gloating here, http://news-beta.slashdot.org/story/99/12/10/0821224/esr-writes-on-surprised-by-wealth, inquiring minds want to know.

  5. In all seriousness... by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I believe, but cannot prove, that global “AIDS” is a whole cluster of unrelated diseases all of which have been swept under a single rug for essentially political reasons, and that the identification of HIV as the sole pathogen is likely to go down as one of the most colossal blunders in the history of medicine.

    Do you still deny a link between HIV and the disease known as AIDS?

    You picked an extremely bad example there; Turing was atypical in a way that damages your case. If you examine the actual circumstances of Turing’s exposure, you’ll discover that he was remarkably and willfully self-destructive about it. Outed himself, under circumstances where he could easily have covered and (as I read it) the cop was trying to look the other way. Still, I’m not “pro” Turing’s suicide, just refusing to blame anyone else for it. He made his choice and died. End of story.

    Do you still blame Alan Turing for his fate? So have you become a total crackpot since September 11th, or was it something that was always sorta brewing under the surface.

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    1. Re:In all seriousness... by iluvcapra · · Score: 5, Insightful
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      Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
    2. Re:In all seriousness... by Alomex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So have you become a total crackpot since September 11th, or was it something that was always sorta brewing under the surface.

      It was always brewing under the surface.

      He is a blind follower of extreme libertarian ideas. For example, a long time ago in a personal discussion I showed him how under the specific libertarian rules he was suggesting I could buy all the land around a person's house and starve them to death since they couldn't leave. He didn't bat an eye. He kept insisting that "free market rules" wouldn't allow this, as if by magic, rather than rethinking his simplistic position.

      Frankly ESR is an embarrassment to the open source movement.

    3. Re:In all seriousness... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That one is incredible. The fact that he isn't asking "Do you accept these negative observations about black people as fact without any evidence?" shows what a massive, unthinking racist he is. And I've emphasized "unthinking" for a reason; for all his squawking about rationality, he consistently makes judgements based on his emotions and prejudices rather than basic logic, in a way that a barely-educated child would have learned not to do.

      Every esr argument ends up with him insisting what he wants to be true is absolute fact, and that his detractors are illogical idiots. It's a stunning lack of awareness or capability. The man should be a case-study.

    4. Re:In all seriousness... by iluvcapra · · Score: 2

      All he's arguing is historical accuracy--someone really did perform a ceremony that's pretty much a curse.

      You're giving him quite a lot of credit, not only does he assert that the curse was real and effective, he also declares that he's a "third degree wiccan" and then identifies the deities he would have would invoked. There's no question that he believes the Haitian people actually invoked the santeria deity known as Ogun to liberate them from French domination, and that the earthquake may have been Ogun collecting on the debt.

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      Don't blame me, I voted for Baltar.
    5. Re:In all seriousness... by fsck-beta · · Score: 4, Informative

      What has ESR done in the last decade for the open source community? Well he has spread a lot of ignorant and hurtful ideas outside of the open source community...

    6. Re:In all seriousness... by ESR · · Score: 4, Informative

      OK, let's squash some of this nonsense right now.

      I never believed the 2010 Haiti Erthquake was caused by a voodoo curse, and I'm astonished that anyone interpreted that post in that way. What I found anthropologically interesting is that something like Robertson's "satanic" invocation seems actually to have taken place. Not actually "satanic", but within Robertson's impoverished terms of reference that's about the only way he could describe an invocation of the loa.

      I believe, and have repeatedly said, that the supposed "scientific consensus" on CAGW is not a conspiracy but an error cascade. I think most scientists are honestly trying to do right, but have been overly credulous about data and models that have been (and continue to be) fraudulently manipulated by a tiny minority of them. Those of you who think this makes me some sort of nut are going to have some explaining to do when measured GAT drops out of the bottom of the IPCC's 95% confidence band, which looks set to happen before the end of 2014.

      I might reply to some of these other questions at more length, but these two deserved to be dispatched immediately

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    7. Re:In all seriousness... by Rich0 · · Score: 2

      I believe he still actively maintains gpsd, has been doing work to try to measure latency across the internet backbone due to bufferbloat, and has helped a few big projects migrate to git.

      That's a lot more than the average slashdotter, even though he hasn't written any landmark books in the last few years...

    8. Re:In all seriousness... by squiggleslash · · Score: 2
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  6. So... by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Funny

    So how annoyed are you that RMS got to do an interview a week before you did.

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    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
  7. Android by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Do you consider the widespread global adoption of the Linux-based Android operating system to be a victory for Open Source, or a danger to the cause?

  8. here's an obvious one.. by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 3, Interesting

    it's been almost 20 years since your write tCatB...i gave it a quick read and thought, "well, it *is* dated now, isn't it?" altho i am old enough to remember when its' ideas were pretty cutting edge.

    given the current state of software development (ie the ease of use of PHP and the fact that, without a doubt, the cathedral model has won), what would you either like to change or add to your original thesis?

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  9. Re:When are we... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Some background: ESR changed portions of the Jargon File to reflect his nutty personal politics, there was a predictable shitstorm, and since then ESR took his Jargon File and went home, no more updates.

  10. Why the attitude? by Slartibartfast · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It permeates everything you write: the moral assuredness that You Are Right. I'm all in favor of positing that a position someone takes is the right one -- that's human nature. But your whole "I speak for the hackers" tone, wherein you seem to feel the need to put your views forward as representing others', puzzles me. I give, as a case-in-point, your "Sex Tips for Geeks" as exhibit A, but, really, most any of your writings -- most definitely including your handling of The Jargon File, as well as your stance on homosexuality -- qualify. Care to comment?

  11. systemd by Canek · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a long time "Unix philosophy" advocate, and in the light of the announced switch to it by Debian, Ubuntu, and basically every other major Linux distribution, what do you think of systemd, and the tight vertical integration it intends to bring as a standard plumbing for (most of) all Linux distributions?

  12. How to ask questions by houstonbofh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When you wrote "How to ask questions" did you have any idea how big it would be? Or how long it would be relevent?

    And how do you feel that your most referenced piece of work is a howto for the clueless? :)

  13. Halloween Documents by frdmfghtr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I recall reading (and re-reading on occasion) the Halloween Documents. Have you written anything regarding any other opponents to OSS, or perhaps a look back on them and see what the end effect of Microsoft's attempts did long term?

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  14. How essential is software redistribution rights? by unixisc · · Score: 2

    One of the issues w/ Open Source has been the freedom to redistribute software downstream - be it just binaries, just source or any combination of the 2. Do you think there are any good ways for software companies who make their software open source to prevent their customers from effectively becoming their competitors - by giving away or selling cheaper what they were sold? Or is the only alternative going for a shared-source approach, as opposed to open source, where redistribution can be explicitly prohibited?

  15. Linus's Law (Many Eyes) Problems by carp3_noct3m · · Score: 2

    Hi, there is currently some debate about the many eyes theory over on HNews (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7342352) about why it's a fallacious argument, but in my view they have it all wrong, in that a core component of Linus's Law is that the amount of code is directly inverse to the amount of eyes that can hit all of that code (or a significant percentage).

    Therefore, in my eyes it is the problem of code bloat that is undermining the open source movement more than anything. For example, the Linux kernel is now at, what, 10mil+ lines of code? That's insane. Minix 3, on the other hand, is at ~15k?

    What are your thoughts on this problem?

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    "It's ok, I'm completely secure as long as my iron is off"
  16. What about the new wave of proprietary programs (w by necro351 · · Score: 2

    So it seems these days the most effective method of DRM is a network interface, like that used by Facebook, Google, Pinterest, etc... You cannot run your own instance of Gmail or Facebook, and you certainly cannot see or modify the code. At the same time all these companies are pressuring us to push our data into their servers by not supporting or coming up with solutions that let us continue to control/manage our data on our own machines and private networks. What can open source do to stem that tide? What about open source licensing? Could webkit or mozilla have slowed down the encroachment of Chrom/ium and its pro-Google agenda if it had more defensive licensing terms like something similar to the GPL? How do we convince hackers to hack on open-source 'website programs', like an open Gmail or an open Facebook (e.g., Diaspora)?

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    --"You are your own God"--
  17. Apple today by wordtech · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Your comments in The Art of Unix Programming about Apple/Mac developers being diametrically opposed to Unix developers in development style and emphases (designing simple, user-friendly interfaces from the outside in) were quite interesting. I am wondering about your perspective on Apple now. My interest is specifically in Apple's contributions to open-source (WebKit and LLVM, chiefly) and your take on those. It seems to me that Apple has done quite a bit to foster an alternative ecosystem to the GNU environment, for instance in FreeBSD's adoption of clang as their default compiler; and also it seems to to me that WebKit has supplanted Gecko as the most widely used browser framework. Curious about your viewpoint here.

  18. Re:Mine by oodaloop · · Score: 2

    If I had to guess the most used number in the history of man, I would think 1 and 0 would be close to tied for first.

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    Tic-Tac-Toe, Global Thermonuclear War, and relationships all have the same winning move.
  19. Error cascade? by DavidHumus · · Score: 2

    Your stance on AGW seems to deny the error-correcting features of the scientific method.

    So which do you think is more likely: that AGW-deniers are primarily politically-motivated and don't give a crap about simple facts (like the greenhouse effect of CO2) or that the scientific method is deeply flawed?