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Should Newsweek Have Outed Satoshi Nakamoto's Personal Details?

Nerval's Lobster writes "Newsweek's Leah McGrath Goodman spent months tracking down the mysterious founder of Bitcoin, "Satoshi Nakamoto," a name that everybody seemed to believe was a pseudonym for either a single individual or a shadowy collective of programmers. If Satoshi Nakamoto, former government contractor and model-train enthusiast, is actually "Satoshi Nakamoto," Bitcoin founder, then he's sitting atop hundreds of millions of dollars in crypto-currency. Does the article's exhaustive listing of Nakamoto's personal details place his security at risk? Many in the Bitcoin community think so, and poured onto the Web to express that opinion. The Newsweek article has raised some interesting questions about the need for thorough journalism versus peoples' right to privacy. For example, should Goodman have posted an image of Nakamoto's house and car, even though information about both would probably be relatively simple to find online, anyway?"

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  1. But He Isn't by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's become petty clear that the guy in question ISN'T Satoshi Nakamoto. This is basically just a crazy lady writing a delusional account of the two months she spent stalking a random Japanese guy.

    1. Re:But He Isn't by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been following this pretty closely today and it honestly seems to be fairly convincing to me that he is. What is the main thing that makes you think he isn't the BitCoin creator?

      That's not how it works - you need to provide evidence that he is. What is the main reason you think he *is* the guy?

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    2. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      What is the main thing that makes you think he isn't the BitCoin creator?

      Satoshi "Bitcoin" Nakamoto was a computer scientist experienced in publishing scientific papers. He was a native English speaker with a flawless control of his writing, mixing at will American and British English to confuse his trackers. Satoshi "Old crazy dude" Nakamoto has not published anything in his life and the quotes and alleged online profiles he created for himself reveal a tenuous grasp of the English language.

      Satoshi "Bitcoin" Nakamoto wrote on the first try a very complex cryptographic application in C++ that turned out to have only a handful of security bugs. We have no ideea if "Old crazy dude" can even write code, let alone of this quality.

      There is basically:
        - no publication history
        - no proven experience in writing crypto code (let's handwave that by saying he worked for "the military")

      What we do have is him believing he is Satoshi Bitcoin Nakamoto and declaring it to a journalist, i.e proof he is a old crazy guy.

    3. Re:But He Isn't by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > shouldn't a good researcher have looked into that?

      What makes you think she's a good researcher? She writes for Newsweek for Christ's sake.

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    4. Re:But He Isn't by darkain · · Score: 5, Informative

      No real way to verify it, but there is a surefire way to discredit it!

      https://twitter.com/mikko/stat...

    5. Re:But He Isn't by guises · · Score: 3, Informative

      Newsweek has already provided plenty of evidence. They haven't provided proof, that's not the same thing, but there is more than sufficient evidence to believe that this is the right guy.

    6. Re:But He Isn't by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      She writes for Newsweek for Christ's sake.

      And there was me thinking He just wanted us to live a good life and be nice to our neighbours. Who knew?

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    7. Re:But He Isn't by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only that but it's hardly an uncommon name. Uncommon in the west sure but that's about it. Hell take my real first name, there's a lot of people named thus in the west. Not so much in Japan. Take my Japanese name lots in Japan, not so much in the west. The entire thing just wants me to bang my head against the wall to make the stupid stop.

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    8. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Could be a triple bluff: he picked some random name in the phone book so that people would think he's that guy trying to double-bluff them.

    9. Re:But He Isn't by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Coincidences happen. There's a guy sharing my first and last name (my last name is very uncommon; it's spelled in an unusual way), went to the same university and faculty, and wrote his master's thesis on a subject close to my line of study. He's about my age, too. People often mistake us on LinkedIn, and I get asked sometimes about certain papers he wrote (he remained in academia). Sometimes it takes some effort to convince people that I am not the other guy.

      I'm just glad he's not a criminal... or founder of a cryptocurrency.

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    10. Re:But He Isn't by Threni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No idea, but that's her problem, and without proof it's just "chatting shit", and I didn't think Newsweek was in the business of doing that just because proper journalism times time, effort and integrity. If you just want to type something, get a blog.

    11. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No real way to verify it, but there is a surefire way to discredit it!

      https://twitter.com/mikko/stat...

      How is that surefire in *any* way? The guy already denied it. Now, an account denied it as well.

      Russia denies their troops are occupying Crimea.

      Denials are easy to make.

    12. Re:But He Isn't by Raumkraut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So an "official" SN account has denied this being the "real" SN.
      The question I ask is: Why didn't that "official" account post a denial for each of the other times someone has been suggested to be "the guy"? Why does this Satoshi Nakamoto get a denial, and not the others?

      Methinks he does protest too much.

    13. Re:But He Isn't by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because none of the other cases resulted in reporters getting into a car chase with an elderly Japanese man?

    14. Re:But He Isn't by chad_r · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or pick the name of someone who was involved in secret IT contracts with the US government, who changed his name, and who is now paranoid about privacy.

  2. Personal Details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Outing anybody without their permission, especially in circumstances such as where someone has done nothing wrong is incredibly unethical.

    1. Re:Personal Details by Raumkraut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thought experiment: Remember that guy at Tiananmen Square? If you're not Chinese, you probably know who I mean. Would you consider it "ethical" for an American newspaper to publicise his new identity, location, family, etc.?
      What if it then turns out that wasn't the guy after all? Do you consider it "ethical" to publicise all the details about some random citizen, and - at the very best - turn their life upside down, just because some journalist thinks they're probably someone important, due to finding some circumstantial evidence?

      "In the public interest" is not the same thing as "interesting to the public".

  3. Great timing by Sigvatr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He was outed from his anonymity at just about the same time as the CEO of a virtual exchange was found dead under mysterious circumstances. Good job, media.

  4. Considering that the story is apparently wrong by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Considering that apparently they didn't actually discover the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto after all, I'd have to go with "no, they shouldn't have revealed anything."

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    1. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And would the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto say anything different? It's pretty clear that whoever is behind bitcoin does not want the spotlight -- they could be on pretty much any media outlet they chose by now if they wanted. So why would anyone in their right mind take a denial as absolute proof that he isn't the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto, when that is more or less exactly what a reasonable person would expect the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto to do if identified?

  5. Even if it's accurate by Rick+in+China · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which it doesn't seem to be... I think it's absolutely wrong to out someone who is actively trying to remain out of the spotlight - publishing personal information or photos without their permission. It's very different if it's a wanna-be famous actor or singer or whatever, a loud outspoken public figure type, then -- fair game -- but a recluse? Let people have some f'in privacy, ffs.

    1. Re:Even if it's accurate by Frobnicator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think it's absolutely wrong to out someone who is actively trying to remain out of the spotlight

      Let's say for argument sake that it is accurate. That is the bitcoin owner, who isn't spending any of the bitcoins.

      The person does not want to talk about it. If he is serious about that, waving microphones in front of the man is NOT going to encourage him to be forthcoming with personal stories.

      So what does it change? Nothing!

      There is no benefit to anyone. Now if the guy wanted to open up and share stories, that is what the media is hungering for. But he isn't doing that.

      The BEST thing the guy could do is say "Yes that is me. I have nothing more to say, and I don't think I ever will. Now get off my lawn." and then refuse to say anything more. In fact, judging by the story, that is EXACTLY what he did say. There is no story or controversy around it. This is just some guy who has access to something valuable.

      Some of the media folk may want to ask him questions, hoping to make a buck when he shares a story, but if he chooses not to share anything they'll quickly lose interest when the next something shiny comes around.

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  6. Bad by The+Cat · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's just bad journalism all around. There's nothing newsworthy about chasing people around their front yard and ringing their doorbell at all hours.

    Journalists used to have a little class.

    1. Re:Bad by erikkemperman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Journalists used to have a little class.

      No they didn't. It is just that today their lack of class is more apparent.

      Come on, even Hunter S Thompson had more class than the vultures who are filling columns these days. And consider someone like Edward Murrow -- he would probably not even get a job at any major news outlet today.

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  7. Abhorent by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I found the story abhorent. Them showing up on his porch and confronting him as he was coming through the door with cameras like he's some criminal was equally disgusting.

    He's not famous, he's not a public figure, he's just some random guy they wrote a big story about and then confronted him like he's a movie star and they were paparazzi scum. I think newsweek and the people involved should burn in hell for what they did. When I read the story and saw the photo's and video I almost gagged at the complete lack of any kind of morals the people involved have for doing this. I will not be offering them any kind of future business because of this. Just like I don't frequent TMZ because of their paparazzi BS, I won't be reading NewsWeek anymore.

  8. No of course not by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's really not even a question that should have to be asked. Here is a man who wasn't seeking the limelight and this idiot reporter stole something from him he will never be able to fully recover.

  9. Re:I think it's reasonable, if it was accurate by E-Rock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What is the value of knowing who the original creator of bitcoin is and where he is living?

    I'd say there is no value.

  10. The more I read... by kajong0007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The more I read about Dorian Nakamoto, the more I want him to be Satoshi. That would make it an even better story.

    Unfortunately as it stands, this is just a story of a journalist with an obsession and some amount of tunnel-vision. The more you want something to be true, the more blind you are to evidence against it.

    At least he got a free lunch.

  11. Yes. No. Maybe. by QuasiSteve · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You have to set aside first whether or not this is Satoshi Nakamoto. Assume it was the victim of a terrible crime, or assume it was the perpetrator of that terrible crime. If you start saying it's okay for one to be outed, but not the other, you're already on shaky grounds of having to somehow define which is which in what case. You can argue "we can decide that on a case-by-case scenario", but then you'll inevitably overstep the boundaries. Doing a mea culpa and saying you're moving the boundary a bit is great for the future, but doesn't negate the overstepping that has already occurred.

    So, that out of the way.. I think at the heart of it are two things:

    1. The author's suggestion that this information is already public; and, given that she did indeed find the name through public records and went from there, one could argue that if it's already public, it doesn't matter that she published it all conveniently in one place.

    Or does it? Considering the information was indeed public, but nobody bothered with it until this article, and considering the response it has gotten (overwhelmingly: great journalism in finding the person, questionable journalism at best in publishing the details), clearly it does matter when you start aggregating all of those bits and pieces into a single document; doxxing.

    Some countries even have laws against doing that, fully acknowledging that the individual bits and pieces may well be public, but that aggregating them is not allowed.

    2. Whether or not these details added anything to the story besides sensationalism. I.e. the photo of the house which included house number; would the story have been worse, or less believable, etc. if that had been blurred out? While the internet sleuthing machine would undoubtedly have found the address without that bit of information eventually, it would certainly have taken substantially longer. Imagine next that there were no picture of the house, merely a description that the person lived in just an ordinary house. Now the internet sleuthing machine (and that includes other media) have a monumental task ahead of them; it could be any house in the city mentioned. Would you have taken the author's word for it, though? The evidence that they had found the person they were after would have to be a lot stronger to lend weight to words than does a picture - human nature tends to do that.

    Think of interviewees who agree upon the interview as long as they are not identified and are made unrecognizable (silhouette shots at best, voice warbled). This could be anybody making up any sort of story. The reason we often trust these interviews anyway is because what facts said can be verified, and because we tend to trust the interviewer based on their reputation.
    We generally don't say "well unless I can see the person's face and hear what they sound like, I'm going to dismiss this interview".

    You have to think to yourself how low the trust in the author of this piece has to be, and how shaky the facts on the actual subject material ("is this person Satoshi Nakamoto?") , that they saw no other recourse than to release personal details that could be verified instead ("we don't know truly if this is Satoshi Nakamoto, but it is 'A Guy', and 'A Guy' can be found here, go ahead and look him up for proof that it is 'A Guy'").

    Reputable investigative journalists usually allow people who don't want to be found to remain 'not found', no matter how much bits and pieces of public information end up pointing to them; be that victims or perpetrators of terrible crimes. Without that, they're just the next doxxing TMZ, chasing people downs streets with cameras and pummeling them with leading questions.

    Note that I'm just as opposed to doxxing of the author in question. While it seems like just deserts, it's really just perpetuating the problem. Rather than attacking the author, it would be more interesting to get an in-depth interview with her on her motives, thoughts (before/during/after), etc.

  12. NO by jmd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As Eleanor Roosevelt said: Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
    Lets get back to discussing Bitcoin..... the idea.

  13. Man wants privacy. Jerk reporter outs him anyways. by infogulch · · Score: 3

    "News at 11."

    That's the whole story folks. The fact that he did something notable doesn't remove his right to privacy.

  14. Re:I think it's reasonable, if it was accurate by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What's the value of knowing the intimate details of the lives of the Kardashians?

    absolutely no value.

    I can only yurn for the days when I thought it odd people were talking about Cardassians from Deep Space 9. Now that would be an interesting show I would watch religiously. A show about say Garek before being banished to Bajor and DS9 that would be worth watching as apposed to seeing what rapper/football player is knocking up a ex porn star between trips to the mall.

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  15. Oblig Monty Python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Brian: I am not the messiah!!!

    Crowd: Only the true messiah would deny he is the messiah.

    Brian: Ok, I'm the messiah!

    Crowd: HE'S THE MESSIAH!!!

  16. Oblig Monty Python by OutOnARock · · Score: 5, Funny

    Brian: I am not the messiah!

    Crowd: Only the true messiah would deny he is the messiah.

    Brian: Ok, I'm the messiah.

    Crowd: HE'S THE MESSIAH!!!

  17. False Positives by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been following this pretty closely today and it honestly seems to be fairly convincing to me that he is.

    The problem here is false positives. If you slowly go through all the Satoshi Nakamoto's in the entire world, what is the probability that you _won't_ find one who fits the profile of a secretive computer geek? Chances are that that is basically what we are seeing here.

    The list of circumstantial evidence is fairly convincing, but it must be weighted against the odds of _not_ finding such a person. If you look for a person with the name "David O'Neill" who could fit Bitcoin Satoshi's profile, odds are you will also find such a man, with just such a set of circumstantial evidence.

    On top of all that, there are details of the story which, bluntly, make it seem fabricated. The line about the cop who knew about "the guy who invented bitcoin" reads conspiculously like either an embellishment or an outright fabrication

    "What?" The police officer balks. "This is the guy who created Bitcoin? It looks like he's living a pretty humble life."

    I don't think the story has much credibility. Then again, I have a pretty low opinion of journalists anyway.

    P.S.

    *Stands up* I'm Satoshi!!

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