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Should Newsweek Have Outed Satoshi Nakamoto's Personal Details?

Nerval's Lobster writes "Newsweek's Leah McGrath Goodman spent months tracking down the mysterious founder of Bitcoin, "Satoshi Nakamoto," a name that everybody seemed to believe was a pseudonym for either a single individual or a shadowy collective of programmers. If Satoshi Nakamoto, former government contractor and model-train enthusiast, is actually "Satoshi Nakamoto," Bitcoin founder, then he's sitting atop hundreds of millions of dollars in crypto-currency. Does the article's exhaustive listing of Nakamoto's personal details place his security at risk? Many in the Bitcoin community think so, and poured onto the Web to express that opinion. The Newsweek article has raised some interesting questions about the need for thorough journalism versus peoples' right to privacy. For example, should Goodman have posted an image of Nakamoto's house and car, even though information about both would probably be relatively simple to find online, anyway?"

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  1. But He Isn't by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's become petty clear that the guy in question ISN'T Satoshi Nakamoto. This is basically just a crazy lady writing a delusional account of the two months she spent stalking a random Japanese guy.

    1. Re:But He Isn't by invictusvoyd · · Score: 2
      Quoting wikipedia

      In a March 2014 article in Newsweek, journalist Leah McGrath Goodman stated that Dorian Prentice Satoshi Nakamoto, 64, of Temple City, California, whose birth name is Satoshi Nakamoto was the Nakamoto in question. However, Dorian Nakamoto denies this, saying that Newsweek misquoted him

      How does one verify the identity of the real man and, is it really important who he physically is ?

    2. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I've been following this pretty closely today and it honestly seems to be fairly convincing to me that he is. What is the main thing that makes you think he isn't the BitCoin creator? Is is perhaps the email correspondence regarding the model trains? If so, there has been a fair amount of other online activity that shows Dorian can express himself very well in English. Anyway please let me know, because I'm curious.

    3. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And yet the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto's legions of followers/fanboys are denying any possibility that this is the guy. Sometimes double-bluffs work.

    4. Re:But He Isn't by goose-incarnated · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I've been following this pretty closely today and it honestly seems to be fairly convincing to me that he is. What is the main thing that makes you think he isn't the BitCoin creator?

      That's not how it works - you need to provide evidence that he is. What is the main reason you think he *is* the guy?

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    5. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That seems doubtful given the purpose of the project and what was said by satoshi:

      "In a few decades when the reward gets too small, the transaction fee will become the main compensation for nodes. I'm sure that in 20 years there will either be very large transaction volume or no volume."
      -satoshi
      https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=48.msg329#msg329

      Also that does not address that there is essentially nothing but the name connecting the guy found here and whoever created bitcoin.

    6. Re:But He Isn't by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      The name matches. Your turn.

    7. Re:But He Isn't by LordLimecat · · Score: 2

      A double bluff with names is stupid. There are literally an unlimited number of names he could have chosen, and no matter what the one name GUARANTEED to get scrutiny is the one he gives.

    8. Re:But He Isn't by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      And what is the evidence in favor of him being "the guy"?

      His name is the same as a notoriously anonymous programmers online handle and thats about it. On the other hand one of the real Satoshi's known accounts posted that he is not this guy. And has been verified as a the legit account by the forums admin.

      http://p2pfoundation.ning.com/...

      https://twitter.com/jdaviescoa...

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    9. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      What is the main thing that makes you think he isn't the BitCoin creator?

      Satoshi "Bitcoin" Nakamoto was a computer scientist experienced in publishing scientific papers. He was a native English speaker with a flawless control of his writing, mixing at will American and British English to confuse his trackers. Satoshi "Old crazy dude" Nakamoto has not published anything in his life and the quotes and alleged online profiles he created for himself reveal a tenuous grasp of the English language.

      Satoshi "Bitcoin" Nakamoto wrote on the first try a very complex cryptographic application in C++ that turned out to have only a handful of security bugs. We have no ideea if "Old crazy dude" can even write code, let alone of this quality.

      There is basically:
        - no publication history
        - no proven experience in writing crypto code (let's handwave that by saying he worked for "the military")

      What we do have is him believing he is Satoshi Bitcoin Nakamoto and declaring it to a journalist, i.e proof he is a old crazy guy.

    10. Re:But He Isn't by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      There's at least one other Satoshi Nakamoto in the world, so it's not more likely to be this one on that basis.

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    11. Re:But He Isn't by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > shouldn't a good researcher have looked into that?

      What makes you think she's a good researcher? She writes for Newsweek for Christ's sake.

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    12. Re:But He Isn't by darkain · · Score: 5, Informative

      No real way to verify it, but there is a surefire way to discredit it!

      https://twitter.com/mikko/stat...

    13. Re:But He Isn't by guises · · Score: 3, Informative

      Newsweek has already provided plenty of evidence. They haven't provided proof, that's not the same thing, but there is more than sufficient evidence to believe that this is the right guy.

    14. Re:But He Isn't by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      She writes for Newsweek for Christ's sake.

      And there was me thinking He just wanted us to live a good life and be nice to our neighbours. Who knew?

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    15. Re:But He Isn't by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not only that but it's hardly an uncommon name. Uncommon in the west sure but that's about it. Hell take my real first name, there's a lot of people named thus in the west. Not so much in Japan. Take my Japanese name lots in Japan, not so much in the west. The entire thing just wants me to bang my head against the wall to make the stupid stop.

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    16. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Could be a triple bluff: he picked some random name in the phone book so that people would think he's that guy trying to double-bluff them.

    17. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How many others fit that profile? Let's say zero with the same name. In that case we still have to deal with the possibility the name was chosen purposefully to lead to someone with plausible work history. That scenario is more likely than the anonymous except using real name one presented here.

    18. Re:But He Isn't by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Coincidences happen. There's a guy sharing my first and last name (my last name is very uncommon; it's spelled in an unusual way), went to the same university and faculty, and wrote his master's thesis on a subject close to my line of study. He's about my age, too. People often mistake us on LinkedIn, and I get asked sometimes about certain papers he wrote (he remained in academia). Sometimes it takes some effort to convince people that I am not the other guy.

      I'm just glad he's not a criminal... or founder of a cryptocurrency.

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    19. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Frankly he is one of the best matching Satoshi candidates that have been found. Not that its really possibly to prove that true or false as long as he is not willing to talk to press or anyone really about bitcoin.

      Frankly the design of the system that is bitcoin(not the code, the system itself) is so brilliant, that only realistic possibilities for its creator are "nutjob genius type" or "shadowy superteam of engineers". Its not something someone can just create over a weekend. Such a system is programming equivalent of what millennium prizes are in mathematics.

    20. Re:But He Isn't by Threni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No idea, but that's her problem, and without proof it's just "chatting shit", and I didn't think Newsweek was in the business of doing that just because proper journalism times time, effort and integrity. If you just want to type something, get a blog.

    21. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No real way to verify it, but there is a surefire way to discredit it!

      https://twitter.com/mikko/stat...

      How is that surefire in *any* way? The guy already denied it. Now, an account denied it as well.

      Russia denies their troops are occupying Crimea.

      Denials are easy to make.

    22. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What we do have is him believing he is Satoshi Bitcoin Nakamoto and declaring it to a journalist, i.e proof he is a old crazy guy.

      How do we know this even happened? I think part of it was probably made-up by the journalist herself.

      This guy clearly wants nothing to do with it.

    23. Re:But He Isn't by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1

      The name matches hundreds, if not thousands, of other people. Your turn.

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    24. Re:But He Isn't by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Newsweek has already provided plenty of evidence.

      No, they haven't - provide a link to the evidence.

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    25. Re:But He Isn't by goose-incarnated · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What, seriously? I said: Newsweek. It's the very first link in the summary, you can't find that? Fine, for your lazy ass: link.

      Hate to burst your bubble, but that link has no evidence whatsoever, only a lot of conjecture and speculation. As of now, there is still no evidence that this man and the bitcoin inventor are the same person.

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    26. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No real way to verify it, but there is a surefire way to discredit it!

      https://twitter.com/mikko/stat...

      What is the surefire way to discredit it? Surely you don't mean it would be impossible for Dorian to log in to this account and write the denial if he is the real Satoshi Nakamoto?

    27. Re:But He Isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The name matches. Your turn.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosecutor%27s_fallacy

    28. Re:But He Isn't by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Problem is, that post is in reality nothing more than the account of someone who has shown that he doesn't want to be identified simply denying some-ones attempt to identify him - there's no guarantee he isn't simply lying because he wants to remain unidentified.

    29. Re:But He Isn't by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Denials are easy to make

      I almost puke this morning when I heard over BBC's news interviewing that female reporter from Newsweek.

      She seems to be enjoying basking in her 15-second fame - and during the interview, she actually said that her action on "revealing the true identity of the founder of bitcoin" is not wrong, as it would not harm that Japanese guy in anyway.

      We all know that journalism in America sucks, and this is one heck of a prime example how sucks American journalism can be.

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    30. Re:But He Isn't by Raumkraut · · Score: 4, Interesting

      So an "official" SN account has denied this being the "real" SN.
      The question I ask is: Why didn't that "official" account post a denial for each of the other times someone has been suggested to be "the guy"? Why does this Satoshi Nakamoto get a denial, and not the others?

      Methinks he does protest too much.

    31. Re:But He Isn't by Ecuador · · Score: 1

      I have a foreign name that is not common, perhaps there is another one or two in the US? So when a friend of mine happened to pass by Long Island city many years ago, he was pretty certain he found my phone number when he got a local hit when calling 411. Fortunately I don't share much with this other "ecuador" fellow that lived less than a mile away, because my friend called and asked for me and a lady told him I was in church. Knowing me, he responded "Ecuador? In church? That can't be right! What the hell is he doing there?" The answer was "He is giving a sermon...".

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    32. Re:But He Isn't by flyneye · · Score: 1

      Yes, and this article reflects the warnings and stories about newsclowns, their ignorance, their destructiveness, their disinformation campaigns and their social status below pinworms in dogshit, that I usually get modded TROLL for by the naiive.
      Newsclowns are our natural enemy and should be thwarted, mocked and abused publicly anytime anyone sees them in action. Its a load of fun to ruin live newscasts or to at least drive the lying liars and their lies away from the good people they do disservice to. These are the true bottom feeders of society, with no real value to justify societys tolerance of the air wasted in newsclown lungs. No souls, no morals, no ethics, just a ravenous hunger for attention. No useful skills, no beneficial outcomes, just the cockroaches of humanity holding your attention with lies, til you watch the next commercial message from our sponsors.

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    33. Re:But He Isn't by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because none of the other cases resulted in reporters getting into a car chase with an elderly Japanese man?

    34. Re:But He Isn't by GoCrazy · · Score: 1

      Let's assume the writer of the article is right and that he's a private military contractor who guards his privacy. Why would he create an anonymous currency and then attach his own name to it?

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    35. Re:But He Isn't by jythie · · Score: 1

      I think she said there were something like 3 people with that name according to US and JP records.

    36. Re:But He Isn't by jythie · · Score: 1

      Or pick the name of an ex-coworker that you thought was cool, or simply could not remember where you had heard it and decided it would make a good alias.

    37. Re:But He Isn't by cusco · · Score: 1

      I think it's amusing as hell to see Bitcoin is just another invention of the military-industrial-intel complex.

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    38. Re:But He Isn't by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      At my previous job, hospital IT, I used to get emails all the time because there was a doctor with the same exact name as me, but of course, since I started first, I got my name as my email address and his had to have a number added to it.

      Though more often than emails, I would get pages, and would have to call back nurses and let them know they paged the wrong person...and no they probably don't want my advice on antibiotics.

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    39. Re:But He Isn't by chad_r · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Or pick the name of someone who was involved in secret IT contracts with the US government, who changed his name, and who is now paranoid about privacy.

    40. Re:But He Isn't by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      American Journalism sucks because rather than being unbiased, they have an agenda to promote. This is why nation wide targeting of certain groups by the IRS, or NSA spying on Americans is less important than a lane closure on a NJ bridge.

      And why is Lois Learner talking to DOJ investigators (not taking the 5th) while taking the 5th in front of congress.

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    41. Re:But He Isn't by daveywest · · Score: 1

      If DN isn't the real SN, then SN had nothing to gain by issuing the denial and would not have broken a 4 year silence to issue the statement. Secondly, he may live as a miser, but SN has access to a valuable treasure trove of bitcoins. He may not like it, but tapping into those reserves may be necessary to protect his privacy at this point.

    42. Re:But He Isn't by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      Quadrouple Bluff, he randomly picked a name out the phone book, which happened to be his own name ... or something.

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    43. Re:But He Isn't by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      And yet, she did her job wonderfully. She sold News-magazines.

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    44. Re:But He Isn't by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Always get a lot of eyebrows and misspelling of my surname but it is the equivalent of 'Smith' in the Netherlands.

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    45. Re:But He Isn't by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      Denials are easy to make

      I almost puke this morning when I heard over BBC's news interviewing that female reporter from Newsweek.

      She seems to be enjoying basking in her 15-second fame - and during the interview, she actually said that her action on "revealing the true identity of the founder of bitcoin" is not wrong, as it would not harm that Japanese guy in anyway.

      We all know that journalism in America sucks, and this is one heck of a prime example how sucks American journalism can be.

      As opposed to journalism in other countries which completely censor any bad news as propaganda?

    46. Re:But He Isn't by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      American Journalism sucks because rather than being unbiased, they have an agenda to promote. This is why nation wide targeting of certain groups by the IRS, or NSA spying on Americans is less important than a lane closure on a NJ bridge.

      And why is Lois Learner talking to DOJ investigators (not taking the 5th) while taking the 5th in front of congress.

      How do you we know this Japanese man isn't lying? 3 weeks ago you would have been a genius if you were the creator of Bitcoin. Remember this article was in progress for 2 months. As of this week you're a complete idiot and borderline scandalous if you invented Bitcoin.

    47. Re:But He Isn't by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      Here's a thought - the guy that she interviewed has a career history that he is prohibited from talking about. He sounds like a highly intelligent man who probably worked in the defense industry or as a government contractor or something along those lines, probably working with classified information. He doesn't want to talk about his past, and when a reporter shows up to ask him questions his reaction is to call the police.

      And this reporter thinks that this guy, trying his hardest to be anonymous, is going to create a new currency that has the potential to destabilize world markets (at one extreme), and he's going to use his real name?

      I doubt that. This sounds like a guy who just wants to be left alone and got shoved under a spotlight because of the name his parents gave him. I hope he sues the reporter.

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    48. Re:But He Isn't by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 1

      We don't know his work history. All we know is that he was an engineer for a defense contractor at some point. There's no evidence he know how to program at all, much less possess the sort of expertise that would be needed to come up with something like bitcoin.

      People who have watched too many movies seem to be assuming "works for defense contractor" == "is secretly Neo".

    49. Re:But He Isn't by TechyImmigrant · · Score: 1

      She writes for Newsweek for Christ's sake.

      And there was me thinking He just wanted us to live a good life and be nice to our neighbours. Who knew?

      He had a hidden agenda. It seems to be working rather well.

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    50. Re:But He Isn't by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      He had a hidden agenda.

      Naw, he was definitely a dude. No secret.

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    51. Re:But He Isn't by kmoser · · Score: 1

      American Journalism sucks because rather than being unbiased, they have an agenda to promote.

      American Journalism sucks because rather than being unbiased, they have newspapers to sell.

      FTFY

  2. Personal Details by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Outing anybody without their permission, especially in circumstances such as where someone has done nothing wrong is incredibly unethical.

    1. Re:Personal Details by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Outing anybody without their permission, especially in circumstances such as where someone has done nothing wrong is incredibly unethical.

      Hear, hear.

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    2. Re:Personal Details by N1AK · · Score: 1

      They created the first remotely popular crypto-currency and amassed a huge amount of money doing so. Given the influence and wealth it has given them I'm very interested to know who they are. I don't think that's unthical and I think the fact 'whoever they may be' has put effort into remaining anonymous means they must have known people would try to work out who they were when they designed it.

    3. Re:Personal Details by Raumkraut · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thought experiment: Remember that guy at Tiananmen Square? If you're not Chinese, you probably know who I mean. Would you consider it "ethical" for an American newspaper to publicise his new identity, location, family, etc.?
      What if it then turns out that wasn't the guy after all? Do you consider it "ethical" to publicise all the details about some random citizen, and - at the very best - turn their life upside down, just because some journalist thinks they're probably someone important, due to finding some circumstantial evidence?

      "In the public interest" is not the same thing as "interesting to the public".

    4. Re:Personal Details by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Technically Nakamoto has significant power, and as such it's arguable a case can be made that if he were to exploit that power (there's no evidence he's done so, and one thing that's positive about Bitcoin is that it would be extremely easy to tell if Nakamoto were to, say, flood the exchanges with his own million or so BTC) then he'd need to be held to account, which cannot be done anonymously.

      But in general I agree, and at this point, despite my misgivings about his work, believe he should have his privacy respected.

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    5. Re:Personal Details by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Given the influence and wealth it has given them I'm very interested to know who they are. I don't think that's unthical and I think the fact 'whoever they may be' has put effort into remaining anonymous means they must have known people would try to work out who they were when they designed it.

      Interesting ethical question, indeed. The thing is, anonymity lets you act without threat of retaliation. That retaliation doesn't need to come in the form of secret police or even a crazy gunman; no, in our society simply having your employment prospects lowered creates an extremely effective chilling effect. And that means that exposing people who wish to remain anonymous is ethical if, and only if, you agree that everyone's actions should be judged by the rich and the powerful, and only independently wealthy people should have any real freedom of action or opinion.

      So basically, anonymity would be illegal in a libertarian plutocracy or absolute monarchy and a guaranteed right in a free world, with real countries going somewhere in the middle.

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    6. Re:Personal Details by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      Technically witches had significant power in salem, so it was probably best to just out people suspected of witchcraft before anyone could exploit that power.

    7. Re:Personal Details by The+Cornishman · · Score: 1

      > amassed a huge amount of money doing so

      Well, it's more like that the early miners of bitcoin, including its inventor, *made* something that you (and several others) now want. He didn't amass money, he made something difficult (read: impossible) to forge, that now has a real-world value. Think of it like artwork.

      I don't understand why anyone wants to know who Satoshi 'bitcoin' Nakamoto is. How will you be better off if you know?

    8. Re:Personal Details by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      It's wrong to judge people by their race, creed, or any other similar trait that you have no control over. It it NOT wrong to judge someone by their actions or their words. Your right not to be judged goes away when you "stand up and remove all doubt", as the saying goes. The founder of bitcoin stopped having a right to be left alone by the media when he chose to design, release, and cultivate a digital currency. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too, there are consequences for actions.

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    9. Re:Personal Details by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      You mean tenuous evidence like admitting to the journalist that he's the bitcoin fiounder in front of while also being witnessed by two police officers. This can all be dealt with pretty easily. He called the cops for a reason, why not put them to use. All he'd need to do is sue the reporter for libel. The cops should be able to back him up on what he really said...assuming he's not just full of shit and backtracking now because he has buyers remorse over admitting that he really is the bitcoin founder...

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    10. Re:Personal Details by onepoint · · Score: 1

      I happen to agree. The most important issue here is that now someone has pointed a bulls-eye on this poor old man ( founder or not ). This person never sought to be public and now has to deal with the public. He's like a lottery winner but in this case worst, he might not be "that guy"

      At the end, he's been placed in a very uncomfortable position, and at risk. Unacceptable risk.

      I really look unhappily to the tragic ending of this, being know as the guy with 400 million dollars in bit coins, and it's possible to be untraceable. he is going to get kidnapped or something just as bad.

      This man will become the catalysis for privacy.

      and maybe the news reporter will be a criminal for her actions.

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    11. Re:Personal Details by onepoint · · Score: 1

      I think you are talking about "TankMan", my personal hero. I never want to know whom he is, but I would like to know that he is alive, well and still fighting for his beliefs.

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    12. Re:Personal Details by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Well, I guess you can argue that Bitcoin is as "real" as witchcraft, but the problem with that is that right now a large number of people are actually trading with Bitcoins and as a result is has some trading value and is a real thing, no matter how stupid.

      I'm a Bitcoin critic. I consider it a stupid idea that's based upon a naive view of money, and the recent problems that highlight the cons of being unregulated simply add fuel to the fire. But it's one thing to claim it's a bad idea, and another to claim it doesn't exist. People have enormous sums of money invested in the project. Nakamoto is in a privileged position to abuse that. He hasn't yet (to the best of my knowledge) so there's no reason to out him at this stage. But if he did...

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    13. Re:Personal Details by arse+maker · · Score: 1

      Since whoever created bitcoin is not literally seconds from being crushed by a government tank for their actions. Its hardly a fair comparison.
      If a journalist could never report on someone who didn't want to be reported on, you might as well end journalism and free speech.
      Let the journalists reputation live and die by their work. If they defame someone, their are legal means to have recourse.
      Any type of pre-emptive censorship is anathema to democracy and free speech.

    14. Re:Personal Details by arse+maker · · Score: 1

      Its unethical if you knowingly name someone you know isn't the person. Or claim with certainty you cant back up.

      Outing someone without their permission is not unethical at all.

      Perhaps if outing them only hurt them without any benefit to the public, maybe you can argue its unethical.. but its a dangerous position to claim the truth is unethical.

    15. Re:Personal Details by ultranova · · Score: 1

      It it NOT wrong to judge someone by their actions or their words.

      If you truly believe that, "GameMaster", why don't you tell us your real name, address, and other personally identifying information? Or did you mean it's okay to judge someone else, but not you?

      Your right not to be judged goes away when you "stand up and remove all doubt", as the saying goes.

      And this is another thing: we aren't talking about being judged. We're talking about being punished. Anonymity lets people air their piece, whether it's a political view, a proposition for a new economic system, or speculation about your mother's sexual activities, without risking their life or livelihood. It's what lets freedom of speech to exist in reality, not just theory, and for everyone, not just those with nothing to lose.

      This is, of course, terrible for those who would rather see anyone who disagrees with them made examples of. Authoritarianism is an illness we still can't cure. But anonymity allows us to limit its deadly effect on society.

      The founder of bitcoin stopped having a right to be left alone by the media when he chose to design, release, and cultivate a digital currency.

      You are the judge of who has what rights on what conditions, now?

      You don't get to have your cake and eat it too, there are consequences for actions.

      Except for you. You get to publish your views on Slashdot without having to wonder who might hear and take offence. It's these other people who need to live in the Panopticon. Not you. Never you. Always someone else.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    16. Re:Personal Details by davesays · · Score: 1

      Because someone has created something, or become rich, gives you no ethical reason to know there most personal details? Why do you believe they forfeit their privacy any more than someone who is not rich, or has not created anything? We are talking about human rights. If they created something useful for society; use it, don't abuse them...

  3. Great timing by Sigvatr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    He was outed from his anonymity at just about the same time as the CEO of a virtual exchange was found dead under mysterious circumstances. Good job, media.

    1. Re:Great timing by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Um, whoosh.

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  4. Considering that the story is apparently wrong by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Informative

    Considering that apparently they didn't actually discover the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto after all, I'd have to go with "no, they shouldn't have revealed anything."

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    1. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And would the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto say anything different? It's pretty clear that whoever is behind bitcoin does not want the spotlight -- they could be on pretty much any media outlet they chose by now if they wanted. So why would anyone in their right mind take a denial as absolute proof that he isn't the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto, when that is more or less exactly what a reasonable person would expect the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto to do if identified?

    2. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by niftymitch · · Score: 1

      Considering that apparently they didn't actually discover the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto after all, I'd have to go with "no, they shouldn't have revealed anything."

      Bingo and there are liabilities here.

      Freedom of speech only goes so far. We all know that shouting fire
      when there is none can get you in a raft of trouble. Should someone
      die in the crush to exit murder becomes one of the long list of charges.

      Newsweek has responsibility and owns much of the consequences
      for their actions. Should there be inconveniences I can see a tort.
      Should there be damages I can see civil and criminal actions.
      Should there be bodily harm... jail time for all in the decision process
      and serious financial penalty for Newsweek the company.

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    3. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Libertarians: They love freedom right up until someone uses it in a way they dislike, then their true autocratic nature reveals itself.

    4. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by gIobaljustin · · Score: 1

      Freedom of speech only goes so far. We all know that shouting fire
      when there is none can get you in a raft of trouble.

      In trouble for other people's actions (the idiots who would trample others). That's because the government hates freedom and ignores the first amendment, though.

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    5. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by gIobaljustin · · Score: 1

      Which libertarian are you referring to? Hopefully you don't think the guy you replied to is a libertarian.

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    6. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by Sun · · Score: 2

      We all know that shouting fire when there is none can get you in a raft of trouble.

      I don't think "we all" quite covers it.

      TL;DR:
      Holmes is often misquoted (more specifically, truncated). Holmes himself recanted that position later.

      Shachar

    7. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      In trouble for other people's actions (the idiots who would trample others). That's because the government hates freedom and ignores the first amendment, though.

      Idiots? - When you are part of a crowd of tightly packed humans that suddenly stampede in response to a universally recognised alarm call you have two choices, join in or get trampled. The only idiots in the equation are the free speech extremists who think there must be a third choice because they are absolutely convinced their dogma trumps human nature.

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    8. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by noh8rz10 · · Score: 1

      what does sherlock holmes have to do with anything.

    9. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by Sun · · Score: 1

      Not Sherlock, but Supreme Court Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. The one who originally said "fire in a crowded theater".

      Shachar

    10. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by gIobaljustin · · Score: 1

      But hey, if the property owners don't like it (and I doubt they like people screaming random shit in theaters), they can always kick them off. The 'screaming fire in a crowded theater' example is and always has been a non-problem.

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    11. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 1

      How about taking a step outside your little world where everyone acts rationally, and warnings of imminent danger or death are things to be pondered and decided upon with logic.

      Humans are not vulcans, a good part of the way we deal with the world is guided by instinct, and when all your senses are telling you that there is something to fear, the instinctual part of the brain takes over. This is especially obvious in situations where information about danger is transferred by other humans, an "incoming tiger" shout has probably saved many a life, and evolution has selected for that.

      Human nature doesn't work like that, and while I agree that things like the 4th and privacy are important, those are situations in which we have time to engage our logical brain, panic situations do not, and you're doing a great disservice to your credibility by insisting that these situations are in any way comparable.

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    12. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by gIobaljustin · · Score: 1

      How about taking a step outside your little world where everyone acts rationally

      I don't live in such a world (I'm always complaining about irrational people.) and never mentioned such a thing.

      Humans are not vulcans

      Nor do they need to be. Your excuses fall on deaf ears; the people doing the trampling are at fault for doing the trampling. A simple concept, no? No one's actions are excused simply because they panicked.

      At any rate, freedom is more important than this sort of 'safety.'

      and you're doing a great disservice to your credibility by insisting that these situations are in any way comparable.

      I don't care what you think about my "credibility"; it has no relevance to how correct my arguments are. In any case, they are comparable for me; in both situations, I reject 'safety' in favor of freedom. That is what I meant, and that is usually what I mean when I bring these things up.

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    13. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by gIobaljustin · · Score: 1

      Okay, then prosecute the idiots who cause the damage, not random people who didn't.

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    14. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by jythie · · Score: 1

      Sadly, this is true for pretty much all American political thought. Pretty much everyone in the US, regardless of political stripe, is 'freedom loving' in their own mind, but their lines usually conflict with other people's.

    15. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      He admitted to who he was in front of, not just the reporter, but two police officers as well. Frankly, this just reeks of backtracking once he realized he screwed up by admitting the game too early.

      Of course, maybe I'm wrong. It, obviously, must be some other misanthropic, privacy obsessed, extremist libertarian, genius, Japanese engineer named Satoshi Nakamoto who is the real inventor of bitcoin... (/s just in case you missed the sarcasm in that statement (/s in case you missed the sarcasm within these parentheses) )

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    16. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      At the least, he would be referring to Nakamoto if he chose to sue the reporter. Supposedly, his relatives (including his children, clearly identified him as being a strong believer in libertarian-ism to the point of playing some, frankly, nutty children's games with his daughter where he taught her to be afraid of "the man".)

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    17. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by GameMaster · · Score: 1

      Should be pretty easy for his to work it out. After all, there were two police officers present the entire time he spoke with the reporter. He called them himself for this very reason. I'm sure they're clarify what they heard him say. Of course, I doubt he'll sue like that as my money is on the fact that they'll back up what the reporter says. Personally, I'm pretty certain that he IS the creator of bitcoin and that he just isn't as smart at in-the-moment personal interaction as he is at crypto-currency design. He, almost certainly, just f'd up when talking to the reporter; admitted defeat too early; and is now trying to "close the barn door after the horses have bolted".

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    18. Re:Considering that the story is apparently wrong by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I think the real Satoshi Nakamoto would have done one thing different. He would have started Bitcoin under an assumed name, like maybe Carl Philips or Natasha Kirponos. I consider that anybody with "Satoshi" and "Nakamoto" in his name is very unlikely to be the Bitcoin guy.

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  5. Even if it's accurate by Rick+in+China · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Which it doesn't seem to be... I think it's absolutely wrong to out someone who is actively trying to remain out of the spotlight - publishing personal information or photos without their permission. It's very different if it's a wanna-be famous actor or singer or whatever, a loud outspoken public figure type, then -- fair game -- but a recluse? Let people have some f'in privacy, ffs.

    1. Re:Even if it's accurate by Frobnicator · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think it's absolutely wrong to out someone who is actively trying to remain out of the spotlight

      Let's say for argument sake that it is accurate. That is the bitcoin owner, who isn't spending any of the bitcoins.

      The person does not want to talk about it. If he is serious about that, waving microphones in front of the man is NOT going to encourage him to be forthcoming with personal stories.

      So what does it change? Nothing!

      There is no benefit to anyone. Now if the guy wanted to open up and share stories, that is what the media is hungering for. But he isn't doing that.

      The BEST thing the guy could do is say "Yes that is me. I have nothing more to say, and I don't think I ever will. Now get off my lawn." and then refuse to say anything more. In fact, judging by the story, that is EXACTLY what he did say. There is no story or controversy around it. This is just some guy who has access to something valuable.

      Some of the media folk may want to ask him questions, hoping to make a buck when he shares a story, but if he chooses not to share anything they'll quickly lose interest when the next something shiny comes around.

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    2. Re:Even if it's accurate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If a recluse solves a millennium prize in mathematics press shouldn't talk about who he is? Same situation really. Sure a man has a right to his privacy, but solving a problem on this order of magnitude puts you in spotlight no matter how much you want or don't want it. Bitcoin is not just a neat piece of code, it's an amazing system that solves a problem that if you asked any software engineer before bitcoin came out, they would have said it can't be done.

    3. Re:Even if it's accurate by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      So what does it change? Nothing!

      Apart from Newsweek's ad revenue, which probably skyrocketed after publishing this story.

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    4. Re:Even if it's accurate by gsslay · · Score: 1

      What's changed is that when he admits that it is him, he is suddenly a very rich guy who has access to a whole heap of money, and possibly, maybe, with the know-how to make a whole lot more. Not necessarily ethically.

      Being that guy tends to attract the wrong kind of attention from the wrong kind of people.

      So he has every reason to deny everything. Particularly if you're the type of person who values privacy and peace.

  6. Absolutely by Berkyjay · · Score: 1

    That's what the media is supposed to do. The correct question should be is this.....why is the media going all TMZ on this guy and chasing him down. In the past when we had real journalists they would have respected someone's right to not answer their stupid questions.

    1. Re:Absolutely by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      What would be robust evidence?

    2. Re:Absolutely by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      That's what the media is supposed to do.

      Actually the media is supposed to speak truth to power, an to perform these investigation and exposes on corrupt and criminal bankers, politicians, civil servants, etc, etc. Needless to say, this isn't happening.

      Whoever Dorian Nakamoto is, it's clear he's not a powerful person. So this isn't journalism; it's exploitation.

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  7. Bad by The+Cat · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's just bad journalism all around. There's nothing newsworthy about chasing people around their front yard and ringing their doorbell at all hours.

    Journalists used to have a little class.

    1. Re:Bad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's just bad journalism all around. There's nothing newsworthy about chasing people around their front yard and ringing their doorbell at all hours.

      Journalists used to have a little class.

      pass that shit you're smoking bro

    2. Re:Bad by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Journalists used to have a little class.

      No they didn't. It is just that today their lack of class is more apparent.

    3. Re:Bad by zamboni1138 · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      From the Earth to the Moon, Episode 8, "We Interrupt This Program"

      (25:40)
      "Nobody wants to see a mother in pain."
      "They do if it's news."
      "That's not news. It's invasion of privacy."

    4. Re:Bad by erikkemperman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Journalists used to have a little class.

      No they didn't. It is just that today their lack of class is more apparent.

      Come on, even Hunter S Thompson had more class than the vultures who are filling columns these days. And consider someone like Edward Murrow -- he would probably not even get a job at any major news outlet today.

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    5. Re:Bad by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Journalists used to have a little class.

      Not during my 50 odd years on the planet*, before the luggable betamax cameras came onto the market in the mid 70's, jurnos would mill around people's homes with a pencil, a notepad, and maybe a camera with an enormous flash bulb attachment that recorded pictures on strips of photo-sensitive plastic called "film". At some point (about the mid 90's) the technology reached the point where we are now. ie: A one man TV camera crew can run faster with his camera equipment than a jurno can run with her high heels and pencil skirt.

      * - This is not to say that there are no journalists who live up to the ideological promises of a free press, just that they are rare in any era.

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    6. Re:Bad by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Are you under the impression that in the last 2-300 years of journalism, Hunter S Thompson or Edward Murrow are representative of the vast majority of journalists?

      Hell, even the supposedly famous "Did a great job on that one famous story" types are rarely as great as their reputations suggest. Look at Bob Woodward. Is he really the Bob Woodward of Woodward and Bernstein, or a hack who reports any old crap to sell newspapers (and books)?

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    7. Re:Bad by erikkemperman · · Score: 1

      Are you under the impression that in the last 2-300 years of journalism, Hunter S Thompson or Edward Murrow are representative of the vast majority of journalists?

      Hell, even the supposedly famous "Did a great job on that one famous story" types are rarely as great as their reputations suggest. Look at Bob Woodward. Is he really the Bob Woodward of Woodward and Bernstein, or a hack who reports any old crap to sell newspapers (and books)?

      Maybe not exactly representative, no. My point was that even types like Thompson, who I don't think was ever especially known for his classiness, had a certain respect for his subjects. In my opinion, but of course you're welcome to disagree, that is sorely lacking these days. I consider Murrow to be an exceptional journalist, but I somehow doubt that his qualities would count for much in todays news business. For one thing he didn't really have "the looks".

      Of course there have always been trash journos, if that's what you were getting at, but at least there used to be exceptions. Now, I'm not so sure. For example Friedman, who is supposed to be carrying this torch, but I'm not a big fan. Too biased, especially regarding Israel.

      Bernstein, BTW, does still (or has until recently) put out quite interesting stuff now and again, but had he not already been an established hack I would guess he would not easily find employment at any major news organisation.

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    8. Re:Bad by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Here's your little class

      Class Journalist : public Writer, public Investigator, public Liar, private Servant;

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    9. Re:Bad by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Friedman? Tom Friedman? Seriously?! Who the hell takes him seriously?

      Good journalists exist, you choose to ignore them, but just look at, say, The Guardian's handling of Wikileaks to get some idea of how the concept hasn't gone away. Now, as always, we have the same mixture of good and bad as we've always had. Thompson and Murrow are not representative of their peers at the times they operated. And there exist journalists today who are the Thompsons and Murrows of today.

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    10. Re:Bad by erikkemperman · · Score: 1

      Well, three Pullitzers take him seriously. But that might not be saying all that much. Ok, so we have Glenn Greenwald, I would love to find out who you're thinking of as today's Thompson!

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  8. Open Source by Niterios · · Score: 2

    Isn't this taking the open source thing too literally?

  9. Abhorent by rahvin112 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I found the story abhorent. Them showing up on his porch and confronting him as he was coming through the door with cameras like he's some criminal was equally disgusting.

    He's not famous, he's not a public figure, he's just some random guy they wrote a big story about and then confronted him like he's a movie star and they were paparazzi scum. I think newsweek and the people involved should burn in hell for what they did. When I read the story and saw the photo's and video I almost gagged at the complete lack of any kind of morals the people involved have for doing this. I will not be offering them any kind of future business because of this. Just like I don't frequent TMZ because of their paparazzi BS, I won't be reading NewsWeek anymore.

    1. Re:Abhorent by clarkkent09 · · Score: 2

      I won't be reading NewsWeek anymore.
       
      Is anybody still reading it? I thought they stopped their print edition few years ago because their circulation tanked and even online they are nowhere in the top 100 news sites. Going tabloid, like CNN, may be a desperate attempt to pull out of the death spiral.

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  10. Quote / Un-quote: by Zanadou · · Score: 1

    Satoshi Nakamoto: "I am not Dorian Nakamoto."

  11. I think it's reasonable, if it was accurate by joeflies · · Score: 2

    The simple fact is that BitCoin is drawing a lot of mainstream media interest. Given that nobody really knows who's behind it, (and for those really suspicious of a conspiracy, what all this crowd sourced crypto is analyzing), it's certain to draw questions. Like the ST:TNG episode "Clues", we have a series of minor mysteries on our hands.

    But nevertheless, it isn't clear to me that Newsweek outed the right guy. As odd as Nakamoto appeared in the article, I'm left with feeling that the reporter is the one that's acting weird.

    1. Re:I think it's reasonable, if it was accurate by E-Rock · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What is the value of knowing who the original creator of bitcoin is and where he is living?

      I'd say there is no value.

    2. Re:I think it's reasonable, if it was accurate by F.+Lynx+Pardinus · · Score: 1

      BTC supporters tell me that BTC is going to fundamentally transform the economy. I'd certainly like to know a little about who created it, why they created it, and who financed its creation. Sunlight...disinfectant...and all that.

    3. Re:I think it's reasonable, if it was accurate by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What's the value of knowing the intimate details of the lives of the Kardashians?

      absolutely no value.

      I can only yurn for the days when I thought it odd people were talking about Cardassians from Deep Space 9. Now that would be an interesting show I would watch religiously. A show about say Garek before being banished to Bajor and DS9 that would be worth watching as apposed to seeing what rapper/football player is knocking up a ex porn star between trips to the mall.

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    4. Re:I think it's reasonable, if it was accurate by lamber45 · · Score: 1

      There is value. If the creator wrote it on his free time after working 30 years in a probably thankless job he couldn't tell his family about, there's hope for me to do something similar, or at least I should advise my sons to get a good education and a stable job. On the other hand, if he was a 15-year-old kid who flunked most classes in school and spent the majority of his nights playing video games, I'd better get my sons each a latest-model gaming rig, because that ship has sailed for me.

    5. Re:I think it's reasonable, if it was accurate by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      So I'm not the only one who's ears perked up when they thought they heard about the Cardassians show? :-)

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    6. Re:I think it's reasonable, if it was accurate by arse+maker · · Score: 1

      Thats the beauty of freedom of the press, free speech, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks is "of value".

      Once you define what is valuable, you create the avenue to suppress anything.

  12. Very brave of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Very brave of them to out an "inofensive good guy". But what about outing the "powerful evils in their government"?

  13. Hold journalists/publications accountable. by smart_ass · · Score: 2

    Too much crap in the media.
    In the race to be first with the story, half of what I read in a breaking story in the first 24 hours is half speculation / utter crap presented as fact.

    Generally I am for society working it out on their own ... for "journalism"... the way it has been going, I would love to see the following:

    1) Mandatory and obvious front and center RETRACTIONS and CORRECTIONS when they F-up details of the story.
    2) Some sort of punishment for both the journalist and the publication that present the story.
    3) Funds from punishment could be used to fix the situations they caused*

    *Restitution to innocent victims of bull$hit. - for example.

    If a journalist does not do due diligence before releasing a story and the result is that someone's life is put at risk ... that is a very serious offence.

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    1. Re:Hold journalists/publications accountable. by arse+maker · · Score: 1

      There are already liable and slander laws.

      If you want to start to fine and jail people who say things you don't like, you have ended free speech and democracy.

  14. Yes and No by cyberzephyr · · Score: 1

    Yes and No but they made a mistake. DO you want folks showing up at your place?

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    1. Re:Yes and No by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Yes. Good luck getting me to answer the door though, and even if you do you'll never make it past the kitchen and into the basement. I've been coming in and out of my lair through a secret route -- The dishes haven't been done in a decade. The kitchen is dead to me.

  15. No of course not by Crashmarik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's really not even a question that should have to be asked. Here is a man who wasn't seeking the limelight and this idiot reporter stole something from him he will never be able to fully recover.

    1. Re:No of course not by Tom · · Score: 2

      This. Even asking the question is fucking stupid.

      He wanted to be left alone, there is nothing the public gains from knowing his identity except some entertainment. There are cases where identifying someone serves the public good, but in this case it really serves nobody except the rag that published it.

      Hiding under his real name was actually pretty smooth. I'm sure a dozen nosy reporters passed him up before because they thought that can't be.

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  16. The more I read... by kajong0007 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The more I read about Dorian Nakamoto, the more I want him to be Satoshi. That would make it an even better story.

    Unfortunately as it stands, this is just a story of a journalist with an obsession and some amount of tunnel-vision. The more you want something to be true, the more blind you are to evidence against it.

    At least he got a free lunch.

    1. Re:The more I read... by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

      If I had to give up my privacy for a free lunch I would run the other way. And I'm sure he would have if he had a choice.

      That choice was taken from him by a tabloid journalist. (I don't care who printed the story. It was tabloid journalism at it's worst.)

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  17. Whatever happened to protecting your sources? by QilessQi · · Score: 1

    Ok, suppose the media tracks the real Satoshi down, and wants to interview him. It doesn't take a lot of brains to realize that his wealth is stored in a way that could be irrevocably taken from him by two goons and a five dollar wrench. Why not ask if he'll agree to a taped interview in a secure location with his face blurred and voice distorted -- the same as we have always done for individuals whose lives are in jeopardy?

    By the way, I'm not up on what can/can't be done with the blockchain, but is there some way that the real Satoshi could affirm his existence by spending a fraction of one of the earliest-mined bitcoins in a predetermined way to prove it? E.g., "we've asked this guy to transfer $1 worth of Bitcoins from this address at the very start of the blockchain to an address we've created especially for the purposes of identification."

    1. Re:Whatever happened to protecting your sources? by QilessQi · · Score: 1

      (I mean, yes, the real Satoshi has a blog, but if you want to prove that you're the guy who mined the first x Bitcoins, it seems like there might be a very straightforward way using the BTC protocol itself.)

    2. Re:Whatever happened to protecting your sources? by Frobnicator · · Score: 2

      is there some way that the real Satoshi could affirm his existence

      Why?

      What does it gain anybody?

      Let's say that is the guy, he didn't lose the key, and he has access to a valuable resource. So what? I know several people who are fairly wealthy, their wealth does not define them, nor does it make them inherently powerful or anything. What is the point of having them prove their wealth to someone?

      About the only thing anyone would want is to hear stories. No matter if that is the man or not, the real bitcoin owner does not want to share stories. Sticking microphones in his face and asking him questions about his life is unlikely to encourage him to share personal stories. There is nothing to gain by trying to point out that a person has a valuable object when the person has insisted for years they don't wish to discuss it.

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    3. Re:Whatever happened to protecting your sources? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Don't care who he is but I would like to know how many BC the guy mined before he found someone else who would accept them. What would happen to the currency if he suddenly dumped $US10T worth of pre-mined BC onto the market? - Even if BC were as ubiquitous as US dollars such a large injection of "new money" would cause a huge spike in inflation and everyone would suffer, in today's BC market the spike would be so large as to render them worthless..

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    4. Re:Whatever happened to protecting your sources? by QilessQi · · Score: 1

      This isn't about his wealth. My question is, if someone wanted to prove that they are the real Satoshi -- for whatever reason -- is there a simple way to do that involving a Bitcoin transaction from one of the addresses at the start of the blockchain.

  18. Summary by invictusvoyd · · Score: 2

    What I can see is :

    It makes no difference to bitcoin ( the identity of satoshi )
    It gives the journalist lady a pat on the back and a bonus maybe
    It gives all the bitcoin wannabes some kinda fantasy figure
    It does not help to the correct the flaws that bitcoin fundamentally has
    In all, it doesn't make any difference to the world in general.

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  19. Yes. No. Maybe. by QuasiSteve · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You have to set aside first whether or not this is Satoshi Nakamoto. Assume it was the victim of a terrible crime, or assume it was the perpetrator of that terrible crime. If you start saying it's okay for one to be outed, but not the other, you're already on shaky grounds of having to somehow define which is which in what case. You can argue "we can decide that on a case-by-case scenario", but then you'll inevitably overstep the boundaries. Doing a mea culpa and saying you're moving the boundary a bit is great for the future, but doesn't negate the overstepping that has already occurred.

    So, that out of the way.. I think at the heart of it are two things:

    1. The author's suggestion that this information is already public; and, given that she did indeed find the name through public records and went from there, one could argue that if it's already public, it doesn't matter that she published it all conveniently in one place.

    Or does it? Considering the information was indeed public, but nobody bothered with it until this article, and considering the response it has gotten (overwhelmingly: great journalism in finding the person, questionable journalism at best in publishing the details), clearly it does matter when you start aggregating all of those bits and pieces into a single document; doxxing.

    Some countries even have laws against doing that, fully acknowledging that the individual bits and pieces may well be public, but that aggregating them is not allowed.

    2. Whether or not these details added anything to the story besides sensationalism. I.e. the photo of the house which included house number; would the story have been worse, or less believable, etc. if that had been blurred out? While the internet sleuthing machine would undoubtedly have found the address without that bit of information eventually, it would certainly have taken substantially longer. Imagine next that there were no picture of the house, merely a description that the person lived in just an ordinary house. Now the internet sleuthing machine (and that includes other media) have a monumental task ahead of them; it could be any house in the city mentioned. Would you have taken the author's word for it, though? The evidence that they had found the person they were after would have to be a lot stronger to lend weight to words than does a picture - human nature tends to do that.

    Think of interviewees who agree upon the interview as long as they are not identified and are made unrecognizable (silhouette shots at best, voice warbled). This could be anybody making up any sort of story. The reason we often trust these interviews anyway is because what facts said can be verified, and because we tend to trust the interviewer based on their reputation.
    We generally don't say "well unless I can see the person's face and hear what they sound like, I'm going to dismiss this interview".

    You have to think to yourself how low the trust in the author of this piece has to be, and how shaky the facts on the actual subject material ("is this person Satoshi Nakamoto?") , that they saw no other recourse than to release personal details that could be verified instead ("we don't know truly if this is Satoshi Nakamoto, but it is 'A Guy', and 'A Guy' can be found here, go ahead and look him up for proof that it is 'A Guy'").

    Reputable investigative journalists usually allow people who don't want to be found to remain 'not found', no matter how much bits and pieces of public information end up pointing to them; be that victims or perpetrators of terrible crimes. Without that, they're just the next doxxing TMZ, chasing people downs streets with cameras and pummeling them with leading questions.

    Note that I'm just as opposed to doxxing of the author in question. While it seems like just deserts, it's really just perpetuating the problem. Rather than attacking the author, it would be more interesting to get an in-depth interview with her on her motives, thoughts (before/during/after), etc.

  20. All I can say by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

    is that if this the Satoshi Nakamoto of BitCoin fame, the Newsweek has just doubled his wealth.
    If he hasn't then Newsweek has just made him as wealthy as the other Nakamoto.

  21. NO by jmd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As Eleanor Roosevelt said: Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
    Lets get back to discussing Bitcoin..... the idea.

  22. It all looks very circumstantial anyway by dbIII · · Score: 1

    It looks almost as if they looked up a phone book and found the first match with a computer background, then published the guy's address before he was positively identified as the author.

  23. Man wants privacy. Jerk reporter outs him anyways. by infogulch · · Score: 3

    "News at 11."

    That's the whole story folks. The fact that he did something notable doesn't remove his right to privacy.

  24. JD Salinger by cpm99352 · · Score: 1

    Hmm, very similar to JD Salinger (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._D._Salinger)

    For all of you arguing that college requirements for non-technical courses are BS, this is a great counter-example. If you have no idea of what _Catcher in the Rye_ is, nor who Salinger is, then you are at a disadvantage vs. the Harvard (etc) graduates.

    1. Re:JD Salinger by idioto · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you are talking about aside from JD Salinger was a miser who was a lucky one trick pony. If you want to look to literature, try perusing the Picture of Dorian Grey. He did pick that as his new name. What happens in year 38, what age is the pseudonymous Satoshi? It's a set-up, they're all a bunch of phonies man.

  25. Nothing is proven by Rufus+Jones · · Score: 1

    There are two problems with the article. The more important one is that there is no proof in the piece-- Z-E-R-O. There isn't one thing that a competent journalist would consider evidence, much less a court. Some people say "He's smart enough." BFD. , It's like my saying "Lee McGrath Goodman is a pre-op transexual" and giving as proof "The writer has a girl's name but behaves like a dick." , The logic in the article isn't even plausible, in that it asks us to believe that the creator of Bitcoin (who is paranoid about their privacy) used his birth name to sign the original document. Or, conversely, that a genius scientist who worked on top-secret projects and cared about privacy and security, would use his name to create the currency. , The second issue is, as the comment notes, that it's a total and grotesque violation of privacy. I thought Caleb Hannan's "Dr. V's Magic Putter" (which outed a transexual who wanted to keep that fact private and resulted in her suicide) was bad. This borders on the pathological. This woman has no evidence and yet she holds this guy guilty and puts him in danger. , It's not just that people who lost money on Bitcoin might damage him-- it's the criminals who might torture him to death to get the $400 million in Bitcoin she claims he has.

    1. Re:Nothing is proven by paskie · · Score: 1

      Those people live(d) different lifestyles "appropriate" for their wealth. Their residence, for example, was somewhat different than a suburb house that's essentially trivial to break into. Also, the Bitcoin business is a little richer on violent criminals than IT.

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      It's not the fall that kills you. It's the sudden stop at the end. -Douglas Adams
    2. Re:Nothing is proven by GoCrazy · · Score: 1
      I raise you yet more problems.

      1) She misleads us into believing that Nakamotos had something to hide because he immediately called the cops when she arrived at his doorstop, only later on to reveal that she had been harassing him for 2 months before she tried to harass him in person.

      2) She uses the implausibility of (1) as a flimsy analogy for why a man who has hundreds of millions of dollars would be living in a modest home with his mom.

      3) She dismisses the idea of Satoshi Nakamotos being a pseudonym because

      why someone who wishes to remain anonymous would choose such a distinctive name

      Which makes no logical sense. Implying a pseudonym can't be distinctive. Implying a pseudonym isn't for the sole purpose of covering up a real name.

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      No beer and no TV make Homer something something
  26. Perfect Storm, timing everything at others expense by SystematicPsycho · · Score: 1

    They'd been investigating this guy for months. A combination of things led to this story being exposed. Newsweek were about to make a print comeback, Mt Gox went under the journalist (and her two "forensic analyst" sidekicks) had to print something. End result a media ready to run with anything true or not, lots of web hits to Newseek, poor guy being harassed. Newsweek win in the short.

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  27. Right to be left alone by dutchwhizzman · · Score: 1

    In the US, there's a fundamental right in the constitution, the right to be left alone. This reporter violated this man's right to be left alone, placing him and his family in a life threatening situation. I think that this reporter will have to be held financially accountable for all costs to protect and relocate these people and give them a new identity.

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    I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
    1. Re:Right to be left alone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Right to be left alone???? where is that in the constitution?

    2. Re:Right to be left alone by arse+maker · · Score: 1

      There is a right to free speech. I don't remember which part of the bill of rights is to be left alone without anyone in violation of free speech.

      Unless the reporter was knowingly putting him in danger with false information, nothing wrong has been done.

      And as you mention.. if the person was defamed. There is legal recourse.

  28. What about teaching a lesson? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Do we already know where Leah McGrath Goodman lives? Someone has a photo of his car?
    Maybe a pic of him with his family?

    This is so familiar. From some mafia films?

    Vajk

    1. Re:What about teaching a lesson? by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      her car etc.

  29. In fact, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In fact, there is at least one Satoshi Nakamoto in Japan who claims to be bitcoin's inventor (though nobody believes him, of course).

    1. Re:In fact, by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      1. invent bitcoin
      2. wait for mainstream
      3. claim to be the inventor of bitcoin, faking ignorance and offering insufficient proof
      4. ???
      5. Profit!

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      ---- MISSING MISCELLANEOUS DATA SEGMENT --- [sigdash] trolololol
  30. Oblig Monty Python by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Brian: I am not the messiah!!!

    Crowd: Only the true messiah would deny he is the messiah.

    Brian: Ok, I'm the messiah!

    Crowd: HE'S THE MESSIAH!!!

  31. Re:Incompetence by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure it's 90% incompetence. More like 45% incompetence and 45% actively pushing any sensationalist BS that will sell with no regard for the truth.

    Now we have the internet with it's easy access to information it's become obvious just how must rubbish professional journalists spew.

  32. Oblig Monty Python by OutOnARock · · Score: 5, Funny

    Brian: I am not the messiah!

    Crowd: Only the true messiah would deny he is the messiah.

    Brian: Ok, I'm the messiah.

    Crowd: HE'S THE MESSIAH!!!

  33. I thought it was David Chaum by Viol8 · · Score: 2

    Though unless there's a cryptography + programming + economics expert who's known by almost no one - which is pretty damn unlikely - then there's only a limited number of people it could be anyway and from what I've read he's the #1 suspect.

    1. Re:I thought it was David Chaum by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

      In a world of billions of people there are far more people capable of taking the work of others in areas such as crytography, programming and economics and building someone new and amazing than you seem to give credit for. It isn't just acknowledged experts who come up with great ideas.

    2. Re:I thought it was David Chaum by Viol8 · · Score: 1

      To come up with something as sophisticated as bitcoin would take more than the usual type of bedroom coder who knocks up some social network site. So I'm afraid I don't believe he's some lone genius who's managed to stay under the radar and then suddenly amazes the world with his invention. He's almost certainly a known polymath expert.

    3. Re:I thought it was David Chaum by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      There's pretty much nothing about Bitcoin that requires it's inventor to be an economic expert. In fact, given the beliefs of the general Bitcoin community, being an expert would be something of a handicap.

    4. Re:I thought it was David Chaum by arse+maker · · Score: 1

      Eh, the creator/s of bitcoin didn't create cryptography in an afternoon.

      Im no expert on bitcoin but its seems to be a protocol built on known cryptography, I don't see why one person couldn't have created it.

      Try reading some published scientific papers, apparently they would blow your mind.

  34. Re:Man wants privacy. Jerk reporter outs him anywa by naughtynaughty · · Score: 1

    What right to privacy is that? He had an expectation of privacy but no right to it.

  35. False Positives by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been following this pretty closely today and it honestly seems to be fairly convincing to me that he is.

    The problem here is false positives. If you slowly go through all the Satoshi Nakamoto's in the entire world, what is the probability that you _won't_ find one who fits the profile of a secretive computer geek? Chances are that that is basically what we are seeing here.

    The list of circumstantial evidence is fairly convincing, but it must be weighted against the odds of _not_ finding such a person. If you look for a person with the name "David O'Neill" who could fit Bitcoin Satoshi's profile, odds are you will also find such a man, with just such a set of circumstantial evidence.

    On top of all that, there are details of the story which, bluntly, make it seem fabricated. The line about the cop who knew about "the guy who invented bitcoin" reads conspiculously like either an embellishment or an outright fabrication

    "What?" The police officer balks. "This is the guy who created Bitcoin? It looks like he's living a pretty humble life."

    I don't think the story has much credibility. Then again, I have a pretty low opinion of journalists anyway.

    P.S.

    *Stands up* I'm Satoshi!!

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    May the Maths Be with you!
    1. Re:False Positives by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      I've been following this pretty closely today and it honestly seems to be fairly convincing to me that he is.

      The problem here is false positives. If you slowly go through all the Satoshi Nakamoto's in the entire world, what is the probability that you _won't_ find one who fits the profile of a secretive computer geek?

      No, the problem is that the chances of finding a secretive computer geek that uses his name in his handle while hide his identity, WHILE finding the correct person matching said name is statistically indistinguishable from zero.

    2. Re:False Positives by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm Satoshi, and so is my wife!

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
  36. Re:Bullshit reporting by davidhoude · · Score: 1

    and I am not David Houde

  37. Re:Bullshit reporting by davidhoude · · Score: 1

    Your argument would be more believable if this guy claimed to be the real deal, and the known legit twitter account outed him as a liar. For him to deny it, and his twitter account to also deny it doesn't prove anything.

  38. People keep saying Bitcoin is legitimate ... by gig · · Score: 2

    and yet millions of dollars have gone missing and the Bitcoin inventor apparently requires anonymity?

  39. Probably not. by Simulant · · Score: 1


    Since when has Newsweek been known for journalism? As with most tabloid pieces, this one is 95% speculation and hearsay.
    I found the article distasteful and inconclusive.

  40. If Newsweek could find him... by swb · · Score: 1

    I don't follow bitcoin enough to know one way or another, but there's a commonly stated idea that the guy who invented bitcoin is sitting on a big stash of coins because he was able to mine them when it was much easier to do so.

    If that's true or even if it's a strong maybe, if Newsweek could find him then presumably anyone motivated enough, good motive or bad, could find him, and the idea that he's sitting on a lot of bitcoin ought to be a big motivation for black hats to find him. And by black hats, I don't just mean networking black hats, but the kind of black hats operate on a more physical level, be they organized crime, intelligence service types or others of a similar ilk.

    You could make an argument that publicity actually helps him in this regard, because it raises his profile enough that it makes it more difficult to use violence or intimidation against him.

    None of this is necessarily an ethical argument for outing him on circumstantial evidence or outing him at all, but as bitcoin has grown in publicity the risk of being outed has only grown for him. He could have controlled the process by controlling his own public exposure instead of being "outed".

  41. Some clues about the real inventor of bit coin by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    It is alleged that he frequents a web discussion forum and is using his old dorm addresses as his user name. (Would like to know how it feels if papparazzi camp out in my front yard, that is all).

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    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
  42. He's not Satoshi Nakamoto by Minwee · · Score: 1

    He's a very naughty boy!

  43. But it isn't really Newsweek anymore. by rmdingler · · Score: 2

    No idea, but that's her problem, and without proof it's just "chatting shit", and I didn't think Newsweek was in the business of doing that just because proper journalism times time, effort and integrity. If you just want to type something, get a blog.

    There is no story without the sensationalism and journalistic conjecture.

    Is Newsweek above this sort of tabloid investigative journalism or are they one of many failing and desperate former dead tree rags? Circulation was down from a historical high of 4 million worldwide per week in 2003 to just 1.5 million in 2010. The most liberal-leaning of the former Big 3(with Time & USN&WR), was sold by the Washington Post for $1 and assumption of it's liabilities in August 2010 and merged with the news and opinion website to create The Newsweek Daily Beast Company.... quite possibly to lend a credible name to blog-like reporting.

    It's a story, as our interest implies, but it deserves no extra credibility mod points for being associated with Beastweek.

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    Ernest Hemingway

  44. Glorified paparazzis by mi · · Score: 1

    We all know that journalism in America sucks, and this is one heck of a prime example how sucks American journalism can be.

    I fail to see, what's so particularly American about this case of paparazzi-journalism.

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    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    1. Re:Glorified paparazzis by jythie · · Score: 1

      Going in the other direction, while every country has its outliers, I would say the US is not exactly top of the list when it comes to systemic problems with paparazzi journalism.

  45. Headline asking a question by tomhath · · Score: 1

    So of course the answer is...No

  46. The value of knowing by The+Cornishman · · Score: 1

    @E-Rock Why do I never have mod points when someone cuts to the heart of the matter? What will be the public benefit of knowing the meatspace ID and location of the bitcoin architect? None. +1 Insightful at the very least.

  47. BTC supporters... by The+Cornishman · · Score: 1

    ... are in the business of talking up BTC, aren't they? The principle of crypto "currency" might be somewhat transformative, but I haven't yet seen any scenario in which BTC or any of the others would "fundamentally transform the economy".

  48. Re:Perfect english? by GoCrazy · · Score: 1

    You're assuming she's telling the truth and not just some racist hag who mistakes accent for "imperfect English"

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    No beer and no TV make Homer something something
  49. Dumping BitCoin by The+Cornishman · · Score: 1

    Yes, as far as I can see, if you "corner" a market in BitCoin then you can control its price. A BitCoin, like a dollar or a diamond, is worth exactly what someone will pay you for it.

    There was a similar flurry about virtual goods in Second Life, I vaguely recall.
    Back on topic, is anyone alleging that the "real" Satoshi Nakamoto has cornered the market? If there is a real concern that the bitcoin architect could bring the edifice crashing down, I'd say that that was a good reason to stay well outside the said edifice.

  50. Bit coin is a lot like scientology. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

    Hubbard figured out a long time ago that the best way to make a lot of money was to start a "religion".

    Bitcoin, like scientology, is a religion (with money as its god), and a small number of fanatical zealots (whose net worth is tied up in it) who will defend it no matter how ridiculous it looks to people uninvolved in it.

    Nakamoto is truly brilliant. It's brilliant to start up your own currency, pile up a bunch of it for yourself, then convince others that it is worth something in real money terms. The real stroke of genius is that since it is anonymous, he can cash out before everyone figures out he has exited his own house of cards. It isn't a quite a pyramid and it isn't quite a Ponzi scheme. Since mining coins becomes more "difficult" as more coins are mined, it guarantees that the folks who started it up when mining coins was easy and cheap, will get paid the most and first.

    1. Re:Bit coin is a lot like scientology. by arse+maker · · Score: 1

      Depends when they cashed out. You would have to be an almost psychopath to still be holding all your bit coins at this point.

      There has been so much fluctuation and uncertainty.

      You also have to hope you aren't an american, because the fbi is likely to fuck you up on RICO charges once they find out who you are.

    2. Re:Bit coin is a lot like scientology. by mark_reh · · Score: 1

      "You would have to be an almost psychopath to still be holding all your bit coins at this point."

      Which further demonstrates how bitcoin is like scientology...

  51. Software development model. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 2

    News reporting, whatever little there is left with all the talking head crap, has adopted the software development model. Post a story in "beta" so that you can beat everyone else to the punch; although, sometimes the errors are so blatant it's probably more akin to an alpha release. By the time the appropriate fixes come along the damage is done and everyone has moved on.

    There's no accountability whatsoever. But what do you expect in a culture driven by celebrity and craving the next sensationalistic fix like a drug addict?

  52. And the other question by lonecrow · · Score: 1

    Of course they should not have. What the hell was the point? Whether he is the founder or not makes no difference. This is Hollywood ET style journalism. Who gives a crap about anything to do with the founder? It belongs in People magazine not a business or technical journal. So anyway you look at it, it was dumb.