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Dinosaurs Done In By... Dark Matter?

bmahersciwriter writes "Theoretical physicists propose that the Sun periodically crosses into a dense layer of dark matter sandwiching the Milky Way. The gravitational push and pull that this creates disturbs debris in the Oort cloud sending deadly comets and asteroids ricocheting around the solar system. This passage happens, their admittedly speculative model suggests, every 35 million years, which jibes somewhat with evidence on impact craters. Take it with a dino-sized grain of salt."

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  1. Queue End of the world articles in 3,2,1 by fullmetal55 · · Score: 5, Funny

    GO!
    seriously how long until someone claims that this happens every 35 million years and the clock is ticking down to Nov 10, 2016.

    1. Re:Queue End of the world articles in 3,2,1 by DrPBacon · · Score: 3, Funny

      But have you looked at the numbers? All the numbers?! They add up!

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    2. Re: Queue End of the world articles in 3,2,1 by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 3

      Both of you are wrong. Supercomputer modeling and number dowsing have conclusively proven that the perturbation will cause an E.L.E. boloid strike exactly matching the Mayan prophecy of doom on December 23rd, 2012. They knew this sacred knowledge because they could astral travel using advanced alien technology and actually SEE the dark matter vortex waves.

      Just wait and see.

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    3. Re:Queue End of the world articles in 3,2,1 by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      I'm pretty sure it was Jan 20 2009.

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  2. Statistical analysis of craters by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I understand why they're getting a weak signal here on Earth, where most craters will have long since been erased by erosion and surface remodeling. But I'll bet we could get a much stronger signal from the Moon, particularly the far side. Do we have the ability to get dates for craters there from orbiting probes, or is that something we'd have to collect physical samples to do?

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    1. Re:Statistical analysis of craters by Daniel+Dvorkin · · Score: 2

      Okay, makes sense. So we probably already have the data available to do a pretty good analysis of impact periodicity.

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    2. Re:Statistical analysis of craters by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Of course, if their hypothesis is correct all the statistical data will have to be re-calibrated to account for the occasional rain of meteors.

      Also note: Age estimates for larger impacts will have smaller error bars.

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  3. No, this is the real reason... by ArcadeNut · · Score: 4, Funny
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    1. Re:No, this is the real reason... by The123king · · Score: 2

      Strangely that's more believable.

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  4. Re:magic by denis-The-menace · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Remember folks:
    Dark Mater is a THEORETICAL stuff that weighs a lot or is all over the place to explain why entire solar systems don't fly out of the Galaxy as they spin.

    What if there was no Dark matter and Gravity could distorts time in a way that would explain it all.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

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  5. Re:This seems to make a lot of assumptions by The123king · · Score: 2, Funny

    Or that dark matter actually exists. I've never seen any definitive scientific evidence of the existence of it. Dark matter just seems to be that stuff we use to answer anything we don't quite understand. Big Bang? Dark matter. Quantum physics? Dark matter. Extinction of the dinosaurs? Dark matter. Why is yo mamma so fat? Dark matter.

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  6. Re:This seems to make a lot of assumptions by suutar · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just remember, dark matter is for explaining why very big things don't fly apart, and dark energy is for explaining why even bigger things do.

  7. the punchline... by Connie_Lingus · · Score: 3, Funny

    obviously, the dark matter came from Uranus

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  8. Re:magic by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

    Remember folks:
    Dark Mater is a THEORETICAL stuff that weighs a lot or is all over the place to explain why entire solar systems don't fly out of the Galaxy as they spin.

    Yes, we know. Who said it wasn't theoretical? In case you missed the first three words of the summary: "Theoretical physicists propose..."

    What if there was no Dark matter and Gravity could distorts time in a way that would explain it all.

    Aaand what if gravity doesn't do that?

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  9. Look to the geological record by wjcofkc · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If you look over the past 500 billion years, the geological record shows that there is a mass extinction event roughly every 62 million years. Even though there is some give and take, on that timescale it's almost like clockwork. Since this discovery, scientists of many disciplines have been trying to figure out what could be causing it. While I admit that it could be a cosmic coincidence, if not, then somewhere a culprit is lurking. There are also lesser extinction events every 26 - 35 million years.

    For more on the 62 million year problem

    More on mass extinction events in general

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    1. Re:Look to the geological record by roc97007 · · Score: 2

      > If you look over the past 500 billion years, the geological record shows that there is a mass extinction event roughly every 62 million years.

      Oddly enough, that works out to 1/4 of a galactic year to three decimal places.

      Galactic seasons?

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  10. Re:magic by mythosaz · · Score: 4, Funny

    My understanding of the English language isn't complete, but I understood "theoretical physicists" to mean that the physicists themselves were only theoretical -- in much the same way that "garden gnome" is a gnome that lives in a garden.

  11. Nothing "real" to be explained here by murphtall · · Score: 2

    LOL From TFA.... "Dissipative dark matter is a possible explanation, but it’s not clear that it’s explaining anything real"

  12. Re:magic by lgw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Everything is science is "theoretical", that doesn't mean it's unlikely to be true.

    Dark matter explains both galaxy rotation and the behavior of the early universe quite well. Until the CMBR data, dark matter was just one hypothesis among many for galaxy rotation, but only dark matter explained the observed pattern of mass distribution when the universe cooled enough to become transparent for the first time. And the numbers matched to a couple of significant digits, not in some hand-wavey way.

    What dark matter is made of is still an open question, but it's pretty clear that about 4/5ths of the matter in the universe is dark.

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  13. Re:Academia, we hardly knew ye by lgw · · Score: 2

    Sure, all you have to do is make numerically accurate predictions of future observations, how hard can that be? Or failing that, just be a String Theorist ...

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  14. flawed by another_gopher · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except that to do this you first assume uniform distribution of impacts wrt time...

  15. Re:magic by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Funny

    I have found you can increase gravity locally by slamming down a 12 pack of beer. From this I can deduce that in order to stay together, the galaxies must be totally hammered...

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  16. Re:Dark matter? by Lord+Lemur · · Score: 2

    It would seem to follow that dark matter would tend to naturally form some type of structure. Normal matter certainly forms rather consistent shapes on many different scales. What shapes would dark matter favor if it only interacts gravitationally? Wouldn't it form either a dense ball at the bottom of our galactic gravity well, or flatten into a disc with the rest of the matter in our galaxy? I don't think I've ever read any real theories on it.

  17. Re:magic by DexterIsADog · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...in case you missed the first three words of the summary: "Theoretical physicists propose..."

    I prefer to get my physics from physicists that actually exist, thanks.

  18. Re:magic by roc97007 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I darn well stubbed my toe on *something* when I staggered home last night, so I'm pretty sure the garden gnome is not theoretical.

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  19. Re:magic by StevenMaurer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dark matter is not THEORETICAL. There is direct evidence for it. Quoting from the relevant wiki:

    The most direct observational evidence to date for dark matter is in a system known as the Bullet Cluster. In most regions of the universe, dark matter and visible material are found together,[33] as expected because of their mutual gravitational attraction. In the Bullet Cluster, a collision between two galaxy clusters appears to have caused a separation of dark matter and baryonic matter. X-ray observations show that much of the baryonic matter (in the form of 107–108 Kelvin[34] gas, or plasma) in the system is concentrated in the center of the system. Electromagnetic interactions between passing gas particles caused them to slow down and settle near the point of impact. However, weak gravitational lensing observations of the same system show that much of the mass resides outside of the central region of baryonic gas.

    In other words, gravitational lensing of light waves - which is 100% direct evidence of matter - shows a region where there is matter that is clearly non-baryonic (i.e. does not interact with the electromagnetic field, a.k.a. "dark"). This is not subject to dispute. The question of what, exactly, is dark matter - is indeed still a subject of scientific research. There are, however, a number of super-symmetric theories which posit super-partners for well known particles, the most stable of which turn out to have the exact characteristics we're noting observationally. It is important to note that these theories were not tailored to account for the dark matter, but seem to fit the observational evidence quite well so far. As with all science however, theories are subject to falsification at any times as soon as new evidence comes on the scene.

  20. Space bees by petsounds · · Score: 2

    "So what if there was this giant swarm of space bees, and every 35 million years our solar system–"
    "Wait. Wait, hold on. You're suggesting space bees killed the dinosaurs?"
    "Not directly! These bees are huge. Moon-sized. And they live in the interstellar gaps between stars. I calculated that if their swarm passes through the Oort Cloud, they would get really upset and buzz around, and their gravitational forces would fling asteroids and comets into the solar system."
    "How did you calculate that the Oort Cloud makes your hypothetical space bees angry?"
    "Well it's a lot more plausible than your hypothetical invisible aether making the sun go wonky."

  21. Re:This seems to make a lot of assumptions by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

    when a string bends in the 4th dimension it creates the effects of dark matter.

    . . . but only if there is someone there in the 4th dimension to hear it.

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  22. Re:magic by dbraden · · Score: 3, Funny

    In all fairness to mythosaz, he called it a "garden gnome," not a "theoretical garden gnome."

  23. It's an astronomical catastrophe! Duck and cover! by rts008 · · Score: 2

    Yeah, I feel 'sucker-punched' by this as well.

    All of those lying, conniving scoundrals that call themselves scientists have been trying to convince me for years that the universe was only 14 1/2 billion years old.

    Man, I feel old now....

    Hey wait, maybe this explains the universe expanding....it's trying to catch up with the new info. Yeah, that's gotta be it. ;-)

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