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Google Blocking Asus's Android-Windows "Duet"?

theodp writes "Android is free and open," reiterated Google Android Chief Andy Rubin in 2010 as Microsoft launched Windows Phone 7. Rubin added, 'Competition is good for the consumer and if somebody has an idea for a feature or a piece of functionality in their platform and Android doesn't do it, great. I think it's good to have the benefit of choice, but in the end I don't think the world needs another platform.' But now, CNET and Digitimes report that Google is holding up the Asus Transformer Book Duet TD300 (specs), a laptop-tablet hybrid that can instantly switch between Android and Windows 8.1. A source familiar with the Asus Duet told CNET that Google is the one that has not favored the idea, while Microsoft has not, to date, been actively opposed to the idea. 'If true,' reports Apple Insider, 'it may not be the first time Google has helped to quash such a product.' South Korean electronics giant Samsung quietly canceled plans for its hybrid Ativ Q tablet last year, and Digitimes notes that Asus may not be the only company to bow to Google's wishes."

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  1. Google more restrictive than Microsoft by mrspoonsi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is that not Evil or something like that?

    1. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Of course not. Google is perfect and does no wrong. This is FUD from Microsoft's PR shills.

    2. Re: Google more restrictive than Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You really should have added the /s tag.

      Google cool-aid drinkers might take you seriously.

    3. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by UnknowingFool · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well if you read any of the articles, there is no real information or than the contention that pressure from Google has delayed the release of this tablet. It is not explained further. I don't know how reliable this considering the following statement:

      Currently, only Intel's X86 chip can support dual operating systems, giving consumers an option to run either Android or Windows, but on a separate basis. From Intel's standpoint, tablets that have both Windows and Android dual OS is positive for its business model, and vendors can also increase brand value through dual-system products.

      ARM runs on multiple operating systems and in fact, Windows RT and Android can run on the same tablet if MS chooses this path not ARM. Apple could make OS X for ARM; however, the performance may be lacking.

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    4. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2

      I meant "other than the contention that pressure from Google"

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    5. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by StripedCow · · Score: 3, Informative

      For those who missed this, here's a great article:
      http://arstechnica.com/gadgets...

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    6. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by silviuc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The one that wrote the article either has no clue what he was writing about or he's getting paid to be dumb. Basically, you want to use Google's services? You gotta do it the way *they* want you to do it. It's their services and their terms.

      Android is not free and open-source? Take a look at the shit tonne of Chinese made tablets of brands that we almost never heard of which come with Android but not with Google services. You have to use 3-rd party applications to get stuff onto those such as Mobogenie.

    7. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      If Microsoft allowed duel boots

      The Microsoft campus laced with footwear engaged in combat? This is not their sole purpose, you heel. Tread lightly, lest you get a sock in the mouth.

    8. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by ThePhilips · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Basically, you want to use Google's services? You gotta do it the way *they* want you to do it. It's their services and their terms.

      Which is, if you think about it, is rather evil.

      Person can't pay for the services - person can only access the services by buying the Google's approved product.

      It is as if we have ended up with game consoles, not portable computers.

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    9. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by Karlt1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The one that wrote the article either has no clue what he was writing about or he's getting paid to be dumb. Basically, you want to use Google's services? You gotta do it the way *they* want you to do it. It's their services and their terms.

      " if Google did not act, we faced a Draconian future, a future where one man, one company, one device, one carrier would be our only choice. So if you believe in openness, if you believe in choice, if you believe in innovation from everyone, then welcome to Android. Now letâ(TM)s get started.â

      Andy Rubin......

    10. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by mspohr · · Score: 4, Funny

      First, I never allow my boots to duel. Last time I tried that it was a mess and I'm still limping.
      Second, ARM duels are hand contact only.
      As far as I know Google and Microsoft have never dueled, probably because there were no chairs available for the loser to throw so we don't really know who would win.
      "Liberty and competitive priced computers" ??? What?

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    11. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by recoiledsnake · · Score: 2

      That will make you a pirate.

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    12. Re:Google more restrictive than Microsoft by hairyfeet · · Score: 4, Informative

      Frankly after the terms that Google put out with Android AND the story on how Google is taking more and more of Android proprietary by taking critical APIs behind the "GoogleWall" I honestly do not see how any sane person can't see that Google IS Microsoft of the 90s.

      Seriously folks, how can anyone argue that they aren't the same company? Blocking competition? See TFA and about a dozen other articles on Google pulling products with threats of being kicked out of having access to the OHA and Google Apps. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish? Hell Android is practically a textbook case of that, while Android 1 and 2 and ASOP were practically identical now there is a good chunk of the android games and apps that will not run on ASOP without being recompiled and in many cases rewritten. Trying to lock in? For God's sake they take bog standard X86 laptops and when they are done with them they are more fucking locked down than a cellphone! Hell even the latest windows allows you to fricking dual boot but not ChromeOS!

      I'm sorry but while Google USED to be this great "throw shit at the wall and see what cool shit we get" kind of company as with sadly too many companies greed and the desire to keep the stock price high has turned them nasty. Maybe its a universal law of business or something, you get to be #1 and you turn nasty and greedy as you fight to stay top dog.

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  2. Still open legally by loufoque · · Score: 2

    It's still open in the sense that legally you can do whatever you want with it.
    It's up to you if you want to make Google happy or not.

    1. Re:Still open legally by Gaygirlie · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's still open in the sense that legally you can do whatever you want with it.
      It's up to you if you want to make Google happy or not.

      Google can deny you from adding Google's apps and services on it, though, and the moment you ship an Android-device without those you're removing a lot of the reason for why an Average Jane or Joe would want an Android-device in the first place.

  3. The dual boot is stupid for a consumer device. by slackware+3.6 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only one OS will be used, propably based on which OS is currently booted. People are to lazy to reboot to change OS thats just two minutes longer to get on Facebook.

  4. Re:The dual boot is stupid for a consumer device. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The age of "one device, one OS" is what's "stupid."
     
    And I sure as hell hope English is a second language to you.

  5. The delay is almost certainly on technical grounds by Wierdy1024 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For example, if android is run under a hypervisor that allows 'quick switching' between the OS's, but restricts what android can do or degrades performance, I can see why Google doesn't want to impact the Android brand by releasing something substandard.

  6. Re: Fork them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Asus is a member of the OHA. Members are explicitly forbidden to create Android forks. So much for the BS "open" argument.

    Self-proclaimed geeks and nerds supporting and defending Google - sad and mind-boggling.

  7. Given Microsoft's past history by Johnny+Loves+Linux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    of boot loaders and Microsoft's more recent history and their standard practices I think someone would have to be extremely ignorant of Microsoft's history and their standard practices or a shill for Microsoft to state that this is somehow unfair to Microsoft.

    Folks, I don't think Microsoft is just misunderstood. I don't think we have to worry about poor little Microsoft surviving its treatment by the "big bully" Google. I think Microsoft is getting exactly the sort of response that it has earned for its behavior.

    1. Re:Given Microsoft's past history by Seraphim_72 · · Score: 2

      The name of the company is A-S-U-S, the company quashing this is Google, Microsoft have fuck all to do with it. Nice rant though, shake that penguin, make it dance!

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  8. Re:The delay is almost certainly on technical grou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Substandard... you mean like 90% of Android devices in existence.

  9. Re:The delay is almost certainly on technical grou by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2

    And how many of those $50 tablets were approved by Google and run the Google apps suite? I thought the answer was "almost none of them".

    The article gives no useful info - assuming any such dispute exists at all, it could be for any reason: seems like the blog is just assuming it must be the dual boot capability because that's what gets traffic. But if for some reason that was the issue, Asus or anyone else could ship devices running the regular open source Android, sans Gmail/Maps/Play Store, without having to deal with Google.

  10. Re:The dual boot is stupid for a consumer device. by StripedCow · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You forgot about the pr0n angle.
    You have no idea what people will use that second OS (with its completely separate filesystem) for.

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  11. Re:The dual boot is stupid for a consumer device. by dinfinity · · Score: 2

    "a laptop-tablet hybrid that can instantly switch between Android and Windows 8.1"

  12. Not dual boot by Immerman · · Score: 4, Informative

    I agree dual boot for a tablet might not get a lot of use, though I could definitely see being able to reboot my tablet into windows occasionally for real work being a nice perk, instead of carrying around a laptop as well.

    But this is not dual boot. Watch the video, both OSes appear to be running side by side, it only takes about 4 seconds to switch between them. More like a KVM switch between two computers built into the same tablet form factor.

    And *that* I think has serious potential - android is better for the lightweight appliance stuff, and windows is right there, along with the clip-on keyboard, for when you want to get work done.

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  13. Wickedness by one small step at at time by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Informative

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    1. Re:Wickedness by one small step at at time by goombah99 · · Score: 2

      googly goggly giggly jiggly jingly tingly tinkly dinkly dinkey dinked winked wicked

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  14. And I though I was old by Overzeetop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Laptops aren't just laptops these day - there are more and more hybrid devices which switch from laptop to tablet (a Sony Flip, for example). Sadly, operating systems for laptops (like Windows) are wholly inappropriate - or just very, very poorly optimized for tablet usage (yes, Windows again). Android is light years ahead of the Metro interface for tablet use. So it's better to be able to switch back and forth to get the best interface you can.

    Sure you could reboot every time you wanted to switch, but you may as well go back to DOS and single threaded work. Why should we NOT want to be able to transition between the OS and application that fits the job the best?

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  15. Apple Owns... do they? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My phone is a Galaxy Note 3. Quad core, 2+ GHz, HD display. It is extremely responsive, I like the supplied OS/app feature set (with the exception of the My Magazine bloatware from Verizon), and to make it "mine" I only had to DL five or six apps from the Play store, all free. It's light and slim, with a large display that I love. We also have iPhones in the family, so I'm quite familiar with them -- and I have a current model, maxed out iPad. So I have a basis for comparison. The notification system on the Note is far superior, for one thing, and both the email and text messaging facilities are superb. The phone portion works extremely well too. Android has come a long way from the crippled crap that infested my old Droid, and the Note hardware makes the Droid look like junk.

    I really don't think Apple "owns" the high end at this point; they're dominant by virtue of a long time in the market with a good product, but there are other players and they've got some great products. I could see Android getting some real traction in this area now, and I would not have said that previously.

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  16. Tablet + keyboard + trackpad by tepples · · Score: 2

    Android is light years ahead of the Metro interface for tablet use.

    Plug a keyboard and trackpad into a tablet and is it still a tablet? I was under the impression that the traditional Windows desktop was light years ahead of Android for laptop use.