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Senator Accuses CIA of Snooping On Intelligence Committee Computers

An anonymous reader writes "Sen. Feinstein, head of the Senate Intelligence Committee, publicly accused the CIA of inappropriately searching computers used by her committee, violating presidential directives, federal laws and the Fourth Amendment. The computers in question were provided by the CIA at an undisclosed CIA location for use by the members of the intelligence committee. When the committee staff received internal documents the CIA had not officially provided, the agency examined the computers used by the committee and removed the unauthorized documents. The action has been referred to the Justice Department for possible prosecution." There were rumors of such a few weeks ago, and now it's official. Read the transcript of her speech.

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  1. NOW it's a tragedy, NOW it's so sad to see... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is the same Senator who crys "terrorists!" whenever people suggest reining in NSA surveillance of regular citizens.

    I have sympathy for her, and her arguments against being spied upon. Why does she not have sympathy for us, and for our arguments against being spied upon?

    1. Re:NOW it's a tragedy, NOW it's so sad to see... by ISoldat53 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dianne, petard. Petard, Dianne.

    2. Re:NOW it's a tragedy, NOW it's so sad to see... by DarkOx · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Not only that its the same Senator who argued how necessary to national security the NSA surveillance programs are after the Snowden leaks.

      Hypocrisy at its finest; curb stop my constituents 4th amendment rights and thats all fine, but violate my rights and look out!

      I'd like to think she might learn something from this, but I doubt she will.

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    3. Re:NOW it's a tragedy, NOW it's so sad to see... by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Interesting
      To be fair, she accuses the intelligence community of doing far more than simply spying on her.

      said the CIA had searched through computers belonging to staff members investigating the agency’s role in torturing detainees, and had then leveled false charges against her staff in an attempt to intimidate them. “I have grave concerns that the CIA’s search may well have violated the separation of powers principle embodied in the United States Constitution, including the speech and debate clause,” she said. “It may have undermined the constitutional framework essential to effective congressional oversight of intelligence activities or any other government function.”

      From the intercept.

      The intelligence community blackmailing the people who are supposed to have oversight of the intelligence community is probably at least a little more dangerous than the intelligence community spying on it's citizens. If for no other reason that the former prevents the latter from being solved. Pruning the CIA and NSA back to appropriate levels will require congressional action, and that's likely exactly what the CIA and/or NSA is trying to stop with these actions.

  2. Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And she said that the CIA appears to have violated the Fourth Amendment, which bars unreasonable searches and seizures, as well as various federal laws and a presidential executive order that prevents the agency from conducting domestic searches and surveillance.

    I don't think she even realizes how hypocritical she is. Surveillance and secrecy are all cool, unless they happen to apply to her. Then it is her -- "Fourth Amendment!"

    1. Re:Hypocrisy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      The hypocritical Senator's own word, for our enjoyment. Pass the popcorn.

      The NSA's Watchfulness Protects America
      By Dianne Feinstein
      Oct. 13, 2013 6:59 p.m. ET

      Since it was exposed in June by leaker Edward Snowden, the National Security Agency's call-records program has become controversial and many have questioned whether its benefits are worth the costs. My answer: The program—which collects phone numbers and the duration and times of calls, but not the content of any conversations, names or locations—is necessary and must be preserved if we are to prevent terrorist attacks.

      Sen. Dianne Feinstein: Continue NSA call-records program
      By Dianne Feinstein
      Oct. 20, 2013 6:22 p.m. EDT

      The NSA call-records program is legal and subject to extensive congressional and judicial oversight. Above all, the program has been effective in helping to prevent terrorist plots against the U.S. and our allies. Congress should adopt reforms to improve transparency and privacy protections, but I believe the program should continue.

      The call-records program is not surveillance. It does not collect the content of any communication, nor do the records include names or locations. The NSA only collects the type of information found on a telephone bill: phone numbers of calls placed and received, the time of the calls and duration. The Supreme Court has held this "metadata" is not protected under the Fourth Amendment.

  3. It's a she, not a he by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Informative

    That asshole's name is Dianne Feinstein, a staunchly pro-NSA, pro-BIG BROTHER senator.

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    1. Re:It's a she, not a he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's good for the goose is good for the gander, I say it's time to double-down. If she's so against it, she clearly has something to hide.

    2. Re:It's a she, not a he by memojuez · · Score: 5, Informative

      You forget, Congress is full of elitists who didn't follow many of the Employment Laws and regulations (Equal Opportunity Employment, Affirmative Action, OSHA, etc) until it required itself in 1994. So, it only stands to reason that one of their ilk, regardless of Party affiliation, would evoke her 4th Amendment rights while gleefully trampling on ours.

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    3. Re:It's a she, not a he by NotDrWho · · Score: 3

      If she's attacking the CIA, she's probably a terrorist. Better cuff her and get her on a plane to Gitmo. Better safe than sorry when it comes to national security.

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    4. Re:It's a she, not a he by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No shit! Congress happily gave Federal agencies powers to spy on virtually every human being on the planet, so they can fucking well live on the same sphere we do.

      Don't feel so great when the shoe is on the other foot, eh, Feinstein? Well, a big "fuck you" from the rest of the world.

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    5. Re:It's a she, not a he by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, she really is fucking nuts and a huge hypocrite. As if the gun control and now governmental spying hypocrisy weren't enough to clue you into that, consider her stance on drones. She was all for more drones... until Code Pink was flying (read: constantly crashing) a cheap $25 remote control helicopter near her house in protest. So, Feinstein made up this whole dramatic story about how there was these huge drones spying on her and peeking in her windows and it scared her so much that she totally went the other way and started demanding new laws to make drones illegal.

      She's crazy. She's a liar. She's a hypocrite. How about you put your own bias behind you and actually examine what's being said?

    6. Re:It's a she, not a he by Quila · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Neither the NRA or any other pro-rights organization needs to run a spear campaign against her. Merely factually pointing out her activities is quite enough to damage her reputation.

    7. Re:It's a she, not a he by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Informative

      They don't even bother hiding it anymore. She routes millions to her husband and nobody cares.

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  4. While this is probably true... by edibobb · · Score: 5, Funny

    ... Senator Feinstein has significantly less technological prowess than my cat, and has exhibited this on numerous occasions.

  5. Schadenfreude by fuzznutz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Excuse me for a moment while I savor this moment.

  6. I have no sympathy for that asshole ! by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have sympathy for her

    I have absolutely no sympathy for that piece of shit.

    She's a typical example of what is wrong with the government of the United States of America.

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    1. Re:I have no sympathy for that asshole ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No. Do not attack the person. Attack the arguments. This sort of statement is what makes it easy for people to say that privacy advocates are shrill nutjobs.

      If privacy and freedom from surveillance are worthy causes, we should applaud *anyone* who makes the argument for privacy and freedom from surveillance, even if it means applauding someone who is typically not on our side, and whom we may find personally reprehensible.

      Are we privacy advocates united behind certain beliefs? Or are we just united against certain people?

    2. Re:I have no sympathy for that asshole ! by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think it's at all out of order to take some pleasure in one of the most-pro NSA people in Congress being hoisted by her own petard. Is it wrong to take pleasure from the chickens coming home to roost for Feinstein... well maybe a little, but I just can't help myself.

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    3. Re:I have no sympathy for that asshole ! by Immerman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh, by all means take pleasure in it. But if you want to see things change keep your pleasure to yourself and back her protest. "Even my detractors are rallying behind me" is a powerful battle cry.

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    4. Re:I have no sympathy for that asshole ! by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Back her protest?

      No.

      Back her opponent in the next primary. She is worse then useless.

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  7. CIA computers by tomhath · · Score: 4, Informative

    As I read it, the CIA searched their own computers that were made available to the Senate Committee, looking for documents that were not supposed to be made available or publicly released. For whatever reason (probably a CIA screw-up) someone on the committee found those documents and blabbed about them.

    Feinstein's complaint is that the CIA wasn't supposed to monitor what the committee was looking at on those computers. It sounds like she has a reasonable complaint, but given the amount of hysteria around leaks these days it doesn't surprise me that the CIA thought they had a bigger problem than just one of their own inadvertently releasing documents that should not have been.

  8. I won't hold my breath by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I say it's time to double-down

    You gotta understand that assholes like Dianne Feinstein doesn't think like us.

    She thinks she's in the 0.1% elite, and for that, she ought to have the immunity from the same BIG BROTHER that she has thrown her support for.

    As for us, asshole Feinstein look at us as if we are peons, slaves for the elites, that we do not have any right to enjoy the protection granted by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and that we ought to be stripped of everything, and kow-tow to her and her kinds.

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    1. Re:I won't hold my breath by WaffleMonster · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As for us, asshole Feinstein look at us as if we are peons, slaves for the elites, that we do not have any right to enjoy the protection granted by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and that we ought to be stripped of everything, and kow-tow to her and her kinds.

      I sometimes wonder how monsters like Feinstein get any votes at all while the likes of Feingold can lose to a climate change denier. We have only ourselves to blame.

    2. Re:I won't hold my breath by lagomorpha2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      As for us, asshole Feinstein look at us as if we are peons, slaves for the elites, that we do not have any right to enjoy the protection granted by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and that we ought to be stripped of everything, and kow-tow to her and her kinds.

      I sometimes wonder how monsters like Feinstein get any votes at all while the likes of Feingold can lose to a climate change denier. We have only ourselves to blame.

      Personally I blame California.

    3. Re:I won't hold my breath by mspohr · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, she is in the 0.1% elite and got her money the true American way by inheritance, marriage, and political corruption:
      "On January 20, 1980, in San Francisco, California, finance capitalist Richard C. Blum (born in 1936) and the ambitious Democratic Party politician Dianne Feinstein (born 1933) were married in a wedding ceremony at San Francisco City Hall. This marriage created a family economic and political alliance that in a little over a decade would allow them to become the top power couple in the state of California with a place on the national and world stages. They remain at the pinnacle of power today, he as a billionaire financier, speculator, real estate executive and deal maker; she as the senior Senator (California’s highest federal official), from the largest and most powerful state in the United States. They exemplify power as it is now wielded in the higher circles of the class system of the U.S. today, and illustrate well the dismal results of this system. This system is best characterized as a plutocratic kleptocracy, completely lacking in authentic democracy, operated by and for corporate racketeers, in short, a dictatorship of big capital, the top 1% of wealth holders, which makes up a ruling class. "
      More background here:
      http://www.foundsf.org/index.p... ... and here:
      http://www.revolutimes.com/201...

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    4. Re:I won't hold my breath by PRMan · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Because Northern California voters are beyond stupid. They'll unthinkingly vote for anyone who is "Democrat" even if he bankrupted the state twice already or if she has already been a downright awful senator for 3 or 4 terms already.

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    5. Re:I won't hold my breath by RR · · Score: 3, Interesting

      As for us, asshole Feinstein look at us as if we are peons, slaves for the elites, that we do not have any right to enjoy the protection granted by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and that we ought to be stripped of everything, and kow-tow to her and her kinds.

      I sometimes wonder how monsters like Feinstein get any votes at all while the likes of Feingold can lose to a climate change denier. We have only ourselves to blame.

      I didn't vote for her. I voted for somebody else. Yet Feinstein was just, in 2012, reelected with the most votes any senator has ever received, ever.

      I think humans are defective. Democracy works fine for small governments, like a village. It's problematic for a political unit so big that you can't travel from one end to another without special arrangements, like California, the 12th largest economy in the world. Democracy is a terrible idea for a country as large as the United States. It's better than any other idea we've tried so far, but there are just too many voices demanding too much attention for it to work well.

      So, humans simplify. Most people stick to the 2 parties that they hear about the most. The media talk about the 2 parties that pay them the most. The major party candidates listen to the donors who donate the most. Larry Lessig hopes that campaign finance reform will fix democracy, but humans still need simplified choices.

      I think humans can't reasonably manage something as large as the United States. The federal government needs to be scaled way down, or the United States split up, so more local decisions can be made about local issues. But, again, humans are defective, and for example people in New York are personally offended at the local education decisions made in Texas, so the federal government just keeps growing.

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    6. Re:I won't hold my breath by painandgreed · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because Northern California voters are beyond stupid. They'll unthinkingly vote for anyone who is "Democrat" even if he bankrupted the state twice already or if she has already been a downright awful senator for 3 or 4 terms already.

      It's not that they'll vote for anybody that is a Democrat, but rather against anybody who is a Republican. No matter how bad their guy is, they're still better than the other guy's guy. I see the same thing for people voting for Republicans in OK. So long as they're not a democrat, they think they'll come out ahead.

  9. Liz Cheney Syndrome by akirapill · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Your rights are only important when they're also my rights.

  10. Sure, I'm the idiot by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And so the NRA's smear campaign continues to influence idiots like you

    I am a card carrying member of both the NRA and the ACLU.

    I am an American who treasure the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and am willing to do anything and everything to protect my country from traitors such as that asshole Feinstein.

    If doing so makes me an "idiot", so be it, and I hope that America has more "idiots" like me than "geniuses" such as your kind.

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  12. Diebold... by PortHaven · · Score: 3, Informative

    Any other questions?

  13. Animal Farm by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have sympathy for her, and her arguments against being spied upon. Why does she not have sympathy for us, and for our arguments against being spied upon?

    Because she - being a very wealthy Senator - is more equaler than the rest of us.

  14. Re:NRA and ACLU?? by HornWumpus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The ACLU isn't anti second amendment. They just don't actively support that particular civil liberty.

    Both the NRA and the ACLU are pro-civil liberty organizations. Between them, they support (as much as realistically possible) the whole constitution. The NRA is the United States oldest civil liberty organization.

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  15. This needed to be public by delcielo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Regardless of the hypocrisy of Feinstein, this turn of events needed to be made public.

    The CIA did something wrong. The Senate opened an investigation. The CIA accidentally sent them incriminating information, then deleted some after it had already been reviewed. The CIA agreed not to delete any more, then did it again. The Senate put some of this incriminating information into their official report and moved evidence to a secure location. The CIA didn't much care for that and started an investigation into how they got it, trumped up accusations of criminal conduct and have refused to accept the legitimate oversight role of the Senate. Hate Feinstein all you want, but don't dismiss this illegitimate action by the CIA because she's no angel herself.

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  16. This isn't spying, it's evidence tampering.... by pcwhalen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At the outset, let's look at the moral of the story: You can't trust spies or spy agencies. Especially not the way the Senator has consistently told us we should trust the NSA.

    The "CIA computers" were part of a document production system provided by the CIA pursuant to a Senate Committee subpoena. It contained CIA documents responsive to the Senate subpoena in electronic form instead of paper copies. The document depository was run by private contractors. That's not really that unusual.

    Apparently, when the CIA found out they had turned over to the Senate Committee a CIA draft report that was particularly harmful to the CIA's position, the draft report "disappeared" from the computerised document depository. The senior Senator from California believes the CIA caused it to disappear.

    It's like erasing portions of White House tapes that had been subpoenaed a la Nixon. Just because it was done by the CIA doesn't mean it was spying, merely criminal tampering with a federal investigation. That's all.

    Trust the CIA and the NSA. They will never over-reach or break the law.

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  17. Happens Everywhere by DarthVain · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Unfortunately. People are either stupid or easily influenced. Part of it is probably the propaganda bombardment they get during and leading up to elections. Hell politicians don't even bother with that anymore, they campaign 100% of the time now.

    I have a friend who I would consider otherwise intelligent, however I could not believe his political leanings. Basically voting against his best interests. Political parties also seem to tend to create these fictional realities that people buy into. Ideologies that they proport, but never really live up to. I think the big problem is, anyone that closely follows politics would easily see through the lies, however most are so disinterested in politics, so apathetic about their vote being more less meaningless, that most don't vote, and those that do don't really pay enough attention to even make an informed decision. Also there are social status that comes into play, voting for Conservatives/Republicans means you must be part of the wealthy elite (even though your really not).

    Anyway I mean the guy in question is in a Union, and when I said that voting for Conservatives in Canada was counter to his best interests because they are anti-union he didn't believe me. His impression was that the Conservatives loved Unions and they had never ever done anything to Unions in the past. Some of the first things they did once elected were to break several Unions and force settlements, all under the guise of "for the sake of the economy" etc...

    Anyway I know a few that are informed, and swing Conservative because they believe in certain factual things, which I can respect, however most seem to just spit ideology and rhetoric, most of which is meaningless as fed to them, and seem more than happy to vomit it up over anyone else close enough to listen.

    Also not to generalize, but Old People. They tend to pay about as much attention (which is none), however are much more dangerous because most of them do vote. Most of them vote very consistently, and will proudly say that they have been Conservative for 30 years. Never mind that the Conservative party they are used to voting for has little resemblance to the one that exists today. They are not voting for someone, or something, but an idea of what they think a party is. Which is why in a rather cynical move the Conservatives apparently amended a bill recently to attempt to reduce the number of younger voters (as they more often than not do not vote Conservative). Anyway haven't really looked up the details for that one yet, but I wouldn't doubt it given their past machinations.