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How the NSA Plans To Infect 'Millions' of Computers With Malware

Advocatus Diaboli sends news from The Intercept about leaked documents which show that the NSA is significantly expanding its efforts to build an automated system to compromise computers remotely. From the article: "The implants being deployed were once reserved for a few hundred hard-to-reach targets, whose communications could not be monitored through traditional wiretaps. But the documents analyzed by The Intercept show how the NSA has aggressively accelerated its hacking initiatives in the past decade by computerizing some processes previously handled by humans. The automated system – codenamed TURBINE – is designed to 'allow the current implant network to scale to large size (millions of implants) by creating a system that does automated control implants by groups instead of individually.' In a top-secret presentation, dated August 2009, the NSA describes a pre-programmed part of the covert infrastructure called the 'Expert System,' which is designed to operate 'like the brain.' The system manages the applications and functions of the implants and 'decides' what tools they need to best extract data from infected machines."

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  1. crime? by BlazingATrail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Shouldn't somebody go to jail for this?

    1. Re:crime? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hah. The elite get in trouble for doing something illegal? Was that a joke?

      However, since you pointed out their wrong-doing, you have a chance of being locked up. There is no greater law in these lands than embarrassing or exposing those in power.

    2. Re:crime? by mwvdlee · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm pretty sure Snowden will, at some point in the future.

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    3. Re:crime? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Unfortunately, the people most likely to go to jail for this are the people who are letting us know about these abuses of power instead of the people abusing power. The latter will simply cry "TERRORISTS!" at the next Congressional hearing and get (at worst) a sternly worded speech directed at them.

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    4. Re:crime? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Informative

      to send someone to jail, you have to take them to court (part of the process).

      and there is the problem: you and I can't show 'standing' (it will always, ALWAYS be denied us and we can't prove we have been tapped, so there you go!).

      therefore, they are untouchable via usual legal means.

      they know the system and they use it to keep themselves in power.

      nothing short of a full revolution is going to unseat, them either. and given americans' apathy and blind trust in continually voting against their own best interests, this won't be solved in our lifetime.

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    5. Re:crime? by hackus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Jail?

      Oh, I am sorry...you are thinking of JUSTICE. No no...laws apply to YOU..thats JUST US.

      JUSTICE is for anybody not you, and it works this way:

      1) Eric Holder runs guns for the mexican cartels in a act of subverting the law of the land, the constitution by orchestrating heavy arms into very violent people on the Mexican border hoping the chaos that will inevitably follow through with the subversion of law abiding citizens right to bear arms.

      You know, because, if you have border incidents, they don't want people able to defend themselves.

      While this is going on, DHS is plotting to kill every man women and child in the USA through the acquisition of ludicrous amounts of ammo.

      HOLLOW POINT BULLETS AND SNIPER AMMO, not pistol ammo. MILITARY GRADE AMMO.

      I mean, ammo in the BILLIONS OF ROUNDS. You would need hundreds of MILLIONS of terrorists to justify that sort of purchase.

      Do I need to draw anyone a picture or is it just a coincidence that the population of the USA is about 280 Million?

      280 Million terrorists.

      Yeah, terrorists because you don't like having your money confiscated when the banker cronies come and take it all.

      2) Look at these lawless people and the BANKS THAT SUPPORT THEM.

      New data centers that are funded for criminal industrial espionage, which is the primary activity of the NSA, with PRINTED dollars, because the economy could never afford to build any of this stuff.

      From the NSA data centers to the really outrageous F35 program, which cost about 2 trillion to maintain a world wide fighter force of F35's when fully deployed.
      (Probably more and if they can ever deliver it because they can't get the thing to work.)

      Does anyone know what we collect in taxes? It's about 2 trillion. No really, go look it up. ALL of the collected tax revenue for one year, would go JUST for maintaining a fleet of F35's world wide on all of those bases we have.

      Meanwhile these BANKERS print money and destroy the dollar value and as a result creates mischief. If you spend 2 trillion on air planes, you logically have to print the rest of the money to pay for everything else.

      The SAME MISCHIEF THAT IS GOING ON IN THE UKRAINE right now. Did you see who they hired?

      A Banker. A nice London Banker!

      These people are everywhere and where they go lawlessness follows.

      3) Have you noticed our youth have no where to go? You know why? Well, for one thing the economy is totally managed by the federal reserve.

      The whole thing is rigged. LIBOR. Rigged. Silver Gold Prices, Rigged. Stock Market...

      RIIIIIIIIGGGGGGEEEEEEEDD!

      You tell me how the stock market can be so high when there is virtually no growth ANWYHERE IN THE WORLD, let alone the United States, which has like 35% unemployment.

      You know once upon a time we had laws in place so Bankers couldn't control everything through monopolies. We use to have like a huge number of banks in the USA. Laws were put there so that the banks could not combine and do a EPIC meltdown, or forge any mischief. What do we have now?

      5 banks controlling like 85% of the market? What happens when one of them goes titsup?

      Yeah, remember the Anti Trust laws? Remember the glass steagall laws?

      Yeah they got rid of them. You know why?

      Because they want to steal it ALL that is why, and they don't want to be held accountable for ANYTHING.

      Justice is for JUST US, NOT THEM.

      I am not even going to go into OBAMA CARE, because at this point I am really freaking ticked off at all of this banker mishief and the hollowed politicians from our so called TWO PARTY, really ONE PARTY system.

      ONE PARTY to SCREW YOU.

      Two Party so they can laughably claim you have a choice when you vote.

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    6. Re:crime? by davester666 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      also, not sure why the article is using the future tense, as this relating to plans the NSA made in 2009. I find it hard to believe they haven't been implemented yet.

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    7. Re:crime? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Armed insurrection is our only option at this point. We need to form something like the "Molly Maguires": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...

      It's not mentioned in the article, but they used to lop off the heads of mine managers who were exploiting destitute immigrant miners in the late 1800's. The Maguires obviously couldn't strike back at the Robber Barons who owned the mines, so they attacked the henchmen of the Robber Barons. They would drop the heads off on the doorsteps of other ruthless mine managers to give them a message. My high school history teacher attended a funeral in Eastern Pennsylvania, and the funeral parlor manager said that they still had some unidentified heads in jars in the basement.

      So post the names of NSA employees publicly, and let's start collecting heads. The NSA is an enemy of the United States of America now, and all the values of the Founding Fathers. The system of checks and balances has been destroyed by a rogue branch of the US government.

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    8. Re:crime? by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 2

      So post the names of NSA employees publicly, and let's start collecting heads.

      Why bother with the hassle, effort and expense. The best way to deal with the NSA is to cut their ludacrious budget. Then watch the outrageous sci-fi super surveillance software projects subsequently implode.

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    9. Re:crime? by guises · · Score: 2

      I'm not bumping responsibility down, I'm just not bumping it up. I'm not claiming that Keith Alexander is lord of the NSA any more than Obama is, and I certainly don't want him to be held responsible for everything that the NSA does either. That's just another cop-out. I would like Keith Alexander to be held responsible for the decisions that he makes and the responsibilities that fall to him and no more than that.

      I know there's this idea that a good leader should take responsibility for everything that their underlings do, but this is just a way of circumventing justice. The underlings commit all manner of crimes, the guy at the top says "I'm in charge, I take responsibility." and it all goes away.

      I'll grant that there are a lot of situations where pushing the responsibility down can be just as bad or worse than pushing it up, but so what? All that's illustrating is that this sort of thing is complicated. Figuring out just who it is who has committed a crime is often not an easy or simple thing to do.

  2. All the more reason... by ackthpt · · Score: 4, Funny

    to pull out my old C64, dust it off and find my floppies.

    to a happier and simpler time

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  3. Gotta be a red herring by SplatMan_DK · · Score: 2

    I can't believe this claim.

    I bet they did this a decade ago, and this article is just a way to make people believe it hasn't actually happened yet ...

    - Jesper

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  4. Linux version? by Capt.DrumkenBum · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If not, we could finally be looking at the year of Linux on the desktop. :)
    For me Linux on the desktop came about five years ago.

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    1. Re:Linux version? by mspohr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Linux is more secure.
      Also, Linux is less of a target.
      I'm glad that I use Linux. I'm also happy that most people don't use Linux.

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  5. Re:Skynet? by BrianPRabbit · · Score: 5, Informative

    But I personally have nothing to hide.

    Even if You are completely innocent, You have "something to hide". So agree both a defense Attorney and a law enforcement Officer as well as every other law enforcement Officer I have ever met.

  6. Re:Skynet? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is there any way to avoid such a thing short of cutting my net connection?

    Wouldn't do much good. They have a plethora of ways to extract information from your computers even if there is no internet connection.

    But I personally have nothing to hide.

    Yes you do. I'm not even going to go on about the "the average person commits 3 felonies a day without even knowing it," speech and instead just point out that everything you do in your private life is just that: private. It is yours, and unless they have a warrant, "they" (whoever "they" may be in your country of choice) should not have access to it under any circumstances. That, and even if you don't think you are a valid target, "they" might disagree. There's a number of people out there that thought they were safe and could trust the system, but you know how that turned out. Most recently, Feinstein is finding that she has been bitten by the very same spy machine she's been feeding, or how about Petraeus' mistress that was exposed through the use of so-called "meta-data."

    However, you're absolutely right that even if someone perceives themselves to not be a target, they should still move towards securing themselves.

  7. Re:Skynet? by The_Human_Diversion · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Is there any way to avoid such a thing short of cutting my net connection? Generally I am not too worried about the NSA. I think it is BS what they do as far as invasion of privacy. But I personally have nothing to hide. But this has completely changed the small amount of reluctance I had in becoming a "ZOMG da sky iz fallinz!" type.

    The "I have nothing to hide" argument is quite the slippery slope. Do you truly, really, honestly have nothing to hide? Let's put up cameras in every corner of your house, then. Perhaps we can get full copies of your bank statements? You may trust the NSA as a whole, but Snowden already showed that even a single bad apple can ruin a lot of days. What if he leaked compromising information of private citizens as part of his escapades? Would you have something to hide then? Hyperbolic? Sure. But because we've had even just a handful of instances of people having their lives screwed while innocent because surveillance - legal or illegal - uncovered something about them, it's a valid point. Read more. (article about why privacy matters)

  8. So now we now the NSA's plans for growth... by Are+You+Kidding · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is my Kaspersky Antivirus going to find and remove their viruses? Or even better, perhaps some enterprising hacker will write a tool that that sends its own malware back through the NSA bot net and trashes their servers. When I was a youngster "We Have Met The Enemy and He Is Us" was amusing. Now it it taken as a guiding principle by our intelligence services. It's sad.

  9. When am I going to get rid of this tinfoil hat? by dweller_below · · Score: 5, Insightful
    So, now it turns out that the NSA really was attacking me. Just because I ran the routers and a few other critical things.

    20 years ago, when I first started ranting about the NSA it was mostly theoretical. I ranted because there was no proof they were not evil. The stickers on my laptop's mic and camera were a bit of a joke. People would ask about them and it would give me a chance to rant. That's all I really wanted. A chance to rant from time to time.

    But, now it is clear that all my rants were too conservative.

    Now I am doing IT security for a university. I spend all day attempting to hold off the attacks of foreign governments. Some of those attacks now appear to be my own government. I never really wanted to be this paranoid. And it still appears that I am not paranoid enough.

    When will I ever be able to take off this stupid tinfoil hat?

    Congress keeps railing against money wasted on social programs. It appears the NSA and the CIA are elaborate social programs for sociopaths. Why can't we defund them?

    1. Re:When am I going to get rid of this tinfoil hat? by FudRucker · · Score: 2

      I physically removed the camera and microphone from my laptop, cant hack what does not exist anymore.

      its not that i do anything wrong, even if i am typing up chocolate cake recipes it is still none of their fucking business what i am doing, maybe i am using a cad program to build custom motorcycle parts i dont want those fascist pigs to steal it and give it to their criminal friends on wallstreet

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    2. Re:When am I going to get rid of this tinfoil hat? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I am a fat old dude, I just moon my computer every day -- A moon a day keeps the NSA away.

  10. Re:Skynet? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Insightful

    People with nothing to hide can still get wrongfully convicted with circumstantial evidence.

  11. Re:Skynet? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not to mention that many people have something they'd like to hide. Perhaps nothing illegal, but something that would be embarrassing were it to become public knowledge. An agency that spies on everyone is one political move away from threatening to reveal these secrets if you don't tow the line.

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  12. Fight terrorism! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    By far the most effective way to fight terrorism these days would seem to be by dismantling the NSA. It's the largest terrorist organization in the world.

    And what a lot of money would be saved.

  13. Re:Skynet? by WormholeFiend · · Score: 2

    The principle is still valid.

    "According to your cellphone records, you were in the vicinity of an anti-government protest..."

  14. LinkSys TheMoon worm? by NuAngel · · Score: 2

    Anybody wonder if the plans in these documents (circa 2009?) have maybe adapted and become the recent Linksys worm?

  15. More to the terrifying point by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    People with nothing to hide can still get wrongfully convicted with planted evidence.

  16. I'm sure Linus reviews everything. right? by Thud457 · · Score: 2

    How do we know that the next update on linux is safe?

    I thought you said you were going to audit it.

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  17. Re:Are the encryption keys for rpms and debs safe? by H0p313ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How do we know that the next update on linux is safe?

    Nothing is safe, it never was. A "safe" computer is one with no network behind a locked door where the users have to undergo a full body search before entering the locked room.

    Everything else is suspect. That's how NSA and their partners have worked for decades, get used to it.

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  18. Re:crime? Sovereign Immunity. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm the leech from above, with consistent employment. If plans pan out at my current place, I may reach the $80,000.00 range by the end of the year. I'm not rich, but I'm far, far away from needing any social assistance. I don't live in a huge city, so cost of living is quite low here. That salary goes a long way, and I'd gladly double my taxes to increase the services everyone here is getting.

    The roads here that are privately maintained are garbage, and the tolls aren't automated yet so they're slow as hell, while the city ones are always in considerably better shape.

    My hometown has a public energy utility. My current residence has choice of two, both far more expensive than my home, and they both cost the same. Why? I don't know.

    I don't have experience with private water (thank god) but in countries that do privatize water, service and cost isn't exactly an outcome.

    This isn't even addressing private vs public (when they're properly funded) education, healthcare, public safety, etc. I've never seen a favorable comparison in any of these cases, though.

    Don't want to be too serious, on Slashdot though, so here's a joke. Why is my 6 year-old a libertarian? He doesn't understand the world either.

  19. Re:Skynet? by sandbagger · · Score: 4, Informative

    Toe the line. TOE THE LINE. Not tow. Toe the line as 'line up over there'.

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  20. Re:crime? Sovereign Immunity. by Riceballsan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While I agree with the fact of the rediculousness of how the government can do crime in many ways that would otherwise be illegal. Equating taxes to it is just plain stupid. Taxes are logical payments for services in which the government can and does provide. IE the roads, the oversight into companies to prove that our food isn't entirely relabeled rat droppings, fire departments etc.. Now is it done perfectly or even well? Not in the least, but no matter what a functioning society is going to need a tax system. Even if a perfect rebuilding of government happened, taxes would absolutely be a necessity.

  21. It's called the Xbox One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How many Xbox One consoles have sold? Microsoft claims 4 million+. That's 4 million homes that have each willing placed the most sophisticated NSA spy device imaginable in prime position to track the household residents 24/7.

    Microsoft and their NSA partners, when considering the change of policy that allows (in theory) people to use the console WITHOUT either Kinect of an online connection (both originally compulsory requirements), found that market research indicated a 95%+ likelihood of users choosing to use the console in an NSA optimal fashion.

    Essentially, if a person were thick enough to ignore the clear warnings that Microsoft designed the Xbox One to spy on users, they'd actually take a pride in setting up their console according to the NSA guidelines.

    Snowden proves over, and over, and over, and over that the GCHQ and NSA are about every aspect of 'full surveillance', and that those people who don't consider themselves as valid targets are exactly the people the NSA are most interested in hitting. A kid screaming the N-word over and over while playing an online game of 'Call of Duty' may one day be a politician whose vote is sought in support of yet another vile war of aggression. Showing him video of his 'racist' outbursts, and asking him how his electorate might respond to such a 'leak' in the press will gain the vote of 90%+ of all people blackmailed this way.

    Yet the Xbox One goes so much further. A 'super computer' (by the definition of less than a decade back) connects to a military grade sensor that actually measures the speed of light at each pixel, providing for unprecedented analysis of movement in the room. The Xbox One can be trivially taught to recognise any common pattern of movement (especially the rhythmic movements associated with sexual activity), and begin recording/uploading when such a trigger happens.

    Every Xbox One is continually running facial and voice recognition services. And the result of these calculations is uploaded daily to NSA servers in the cloud. NSA computers, mostly using algorithms designed by Google for this purpose, process the facial photographs and voice samples to extract better identification information. The NSA goal is to know who enters/leaves every room with an Xbox One, and when.

    The NSA NEVER, EVER, EVER needs hacking or 'trojans' to control the Xbox One computer system. Microsoft provides the NSA with a copy of every Xbox One encryption/authorisation key, so EVERY single online console 'phones home' to NSA servers, and any one of these consoles can be instantly remotely controlled by an NSA agent.

    The NSA has far more than its 'fair' share of paedophiles. These individuals have unlimited access to the camera systems of Xbox One consoles located in the bedrooms of children. The video that flows from these cameras is encrypted on-the-fly, so the NSA sex criminal that chooses to use the NSA facility this way can avoid detection if he has even one working braincell.

    Snowden is giving a VERY limited snapshot of NSA/GCHQ behaviour in the distant past- 'distant' in the sense that even 5 years back is an eternity when considering the world of computer based surveillance. The owners of Slashdot emphasis, as much as they can, lesser and obsolete abuses by the NSA.

    The Xbox One makes all previous forms of full surveillance look like they belong in the Stone Age, and yet Microsoft/NSA reputation management policies on forums and social networks ensure that, even today, those that warn about Xbox One spying are dismissed as "paranoid nut-cases". Every single tech site, this one included, has the official position that no NSA spying occurs via the Xbox One. Every monster in History has followed the principle "if you operate through lies, make your lies as BOLD as possible- the bigger the lie the better it works".

       

  22. Re:Skynet? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dough!

    I mean...

    Do'h!

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  23. Re:crime? Sovereign Immunity. by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As bad, if the NSA can do it, so can others. Either they will hijack the NSA's 'wares, or they will use the same vulnerabilities and methods pioneered by these government agencies. Rather than working to protect the nation's citizenry, businesses and infrastructure, the NSA and others are actively undermining our security. Their mandate is not only to intercept enemy signals but to ensure that those of the country's are not similarly compromised. So not only have they overreached too far in one direction, they have ignored the equally important other part of the job.

    Sadly, even if the NSA did start offering secure solutions for people, would anybody trust them enough to take them up on it?

  24. Re:crime? Sovereign Immunity. by Nephandus · · Score: 2

    Logical payments would require opting out without penalty, not being force to pay someone else's bills, and not being arbitrarily charged for the collector just wanting more.

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  25. Re:crime? Sovereign Immunity. by Riceballsan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A society isn't exactly an area that "opting out" is plausible. A police officer can't exactly take the time to determine whether or not someone opted into the "save me if someone is holding a gun to my head" plan, The fire department can't wait for the fire to spread from your proporty before begining to fight it, we can't exactly set up a "food tested to be safe" and "eat at your own risk" sections of the grocery store, A good portion of things that are paid for by taxes, are things that just have to be do it for everyone in the area, or don't do it at all sort of things. Humans have already learned that creating a society with more than 50-100 people, involves some form of infrastructure, and everyone in that society has to chip into that infrastructure. If anarchy worked, there would be a first world country that has an anarchy you could move into. Unfortunately natural selection did not favor such societies, they died out or were invaded and taken over by societies that actually had a functional military etc...