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Is One Laptop Per Child Winding Down?

An anonymous reader sends this quote from OLPC News about whether the One Laptop Per Child project can expect to continue much longer: "Here is a question for you: 8 years on, would you recommend anyone start a new deployment with XO-1 laptops? With the hardware now long past its life expectancy, spare parts hard to find, and zero support from the One Laptop Per Child organization, its time to face reality. The XO-1 laptop is history. Sadly, so is Sugar. Once the flagship of OLPC's creativity in redrawing the human-computer interaction, few are coding for it and new XO variants are mostly Android/Gnome+Fedora dual boots. Finally, OLPC Boston is completely gone. No staff, no consultants, not even a physical office. Nicholas Negroponte long ago moved onto the global literacy X-Prize project." A response from OLPC says their mission is "far from over." They add, "OLPC also has outsourced many of the software and development units because the organization is becoming more hardware and OS agnostic, concentrating on its core values – education."

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  1. Winding down? by mbone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hate to be snarky, but did it ever wind up?

    1. Re:Winding down? by penguinstorm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      also: no one on slashdot ever "hate[s] to be snarky." Ever.

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    2. Re:Winding down? by khasim · · Score: 5, Informative

      Initially, yes. Go with the least expensive hardware possible and a tiny Linux installation and get them out to people who can learn from them.

      Getting that hardware price-point was difficult. But they got close.

      Then they decided that it needed to run some form of Windows.

      The End.

    3. Re:Winding down? by amiga3D · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think it's vision is being fulfilled by the Raspberry Pi. Cheap and low power it offers a lot of possibilities for education and seems to fire the imagination and creativity in children.

    4. Re:Winding down? by LinuxIsGarbage · · Score: 4, Informative

      Then they decided that it needed to run some form of Windows.

      The End.

      OLPC didn't decide it needed to run some form of Windows... Microsoft decided it needed some form of Windows. To not be left out, Microsoft ported WindowsXP. All OLPC did to support that was made sure OpenFirmWare would boot Windows (and subsequently standard Linux distros) to prevent Microsoft from completely overwriting the firmware with standard BIOS code preventing Sugar from booting ever again. http://lists.laptop.org/piperm... OLPC still pushed for Linux / Sugar. All the stories I read were about the Sugar installs. Microsoft also pushed the Classmate to be a Windows platform.

      Although OLPC had great intentions I feel there were several problems:
      -Sugar was ridiculously slow. I know it's running on a crappy AMD Geode, but it was real slow.

      -Assumption that everyone wants to be a programmer. One of the reasons Sugar is so slow is it's written in Python. Easy to modify, but being an interpreted language, it's slow. How high a priority is being able to modify the OS's GUI?

      -Poor selection of apps. Poor selection of actual learning materials. Instead there's a million "learn to program" type apps, and some crappy games. Yes I think accessibility of learning to program is good, and lots of people on /. will talk about how hacking away on Basic on an Apple //, or POKE on C64 at their school got them into CompSci, you really are the minority. With the amount of money being spent on the things, they better really help with the basics of education (3 R's) first.

      -Poor support of the deployments. In many cases it seemed they were dropped off, and it was up to the teachers to figure out. These are teachers not very familiar with computers, so what are they supposed to do with them?

      -The platform doesn't age well with the students. Sugar is really targeted for young elementary students. I think if it was designed to have access to a standard Linux desktop (Xfce maybe? I think that's the one that hasn't gone to crap like KDE, Gnome, Unity and will run well on old junk) it would be good for older students, as well as opening up the platform to a lot more applications and resources. XO-1.5 at least was designed to dual boot Sugar and Fedora 11.

      -Trying to be too much: Ground up building a new GUI, ground up building a new boot mechanism (OFW), wandering goal (XO-1, XO-1.5, XO-1.75, XO-2, XO-3, XO-4), means they're not dedicated to supporting a certain platform for a longer period of time. With the amount of money these poor countries are spending on it, it should be a solid supported platform for a while.

      Really I find a lot of these problems are shared with conventional technology platforms in education. At some point TV was going to be the be all and end all to education. Nope. Growing up my school had Apple //, Mac Classic, iMac, and eventually Windows PCs. Still questionable how much they added to the educational experience. I remember playing games and typing tutor on the Apple //, but there were three of them in the back of a class of 20 students. Although I could use a word processor / Spreadsheet programs (as a commonly toted example of why computers in school are important), it wasn't till University, or later "Real world" / workplace that I learned proper way of doing things (such as styles). At the very least in developing countries any push for computers (OLPC, Tablets, etc) should be a good ebook reader first, with tons of "open textbooks" / lesson plans, but I didn't see that materialize in OLPC.

      In the developed world I see it continue. Look at the amount of schools spending ridiculous amounts of money on either laptops for each child, or tablets for each child. Do they actually do anything? In my Junior/Senior year in University there were students that did their Freshman/Sophmore year at a collage that re

    5. Re:Winding down? by jez9999 · · Score: 2

      I hate to be snarky, but did it ever wind up?

      That was how you charged the battery, wasn't it?

    6. Re:Winding down? by kamapuaa · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What makes you think Pi is popular with the kids? It seems to be a nerd-only thing that's popular mostly as a cheap XBMC box.

      Low power? Is this really an issue for children, like their parents only let them draw two amps at a time for their main computing device?

      And by the time you include a monitor, case, keyboard, etc, a netbook with monitor is going to be cheaper and draw less power and let them use the most popular and supported business/educational/entertainment software.

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    7. Re:Winding down? by uncqual · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Low power? Is this really an issue for children, like their parents only let them draw two amps at a time for their main computing device?

      In the third world, yes. If you live in a one room "house" with one solar panel, every watt-hour counts - if the laptop has to draw off the "house battery" because the laptop runs out of charge before daylight or another charging opportunity, that's going to mean you can't keep lights on to read by (although, with the advent of much cheaper LED lights, this may not be as much of a problem anymore).

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    8. Re:Winding down? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is some thought, or hope, that the OLPC inspired netbooks (like the EeePC), and subsequently tablets, which are dropping in price. Hopefully some of these technologies might eventually advance education.

      I kinda view OLPC and EEEPC as the initial starting point of the "ultra cheap computing" movement.

      We look now and laugh, but the idea of a _$200_ computer was insanely luring just a few years ago.

    9. Re:Winding down? by grumbel5969 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, the important difference is that the Pi is actually available to people who want, OLPC never sold to the public, only through time limited G1G1. Never understood why they would make it so hard to buy one.

  2. "Flagship" by wiredlogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sugar is the horrible POS that made the XO-1 such a sluggish pain to use. If they had developed a lean UI rather than deploying some overarchitected academic project that was clearly never tested on the target hardware it would have been much more appealing.

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    1. Re:"Flagship" by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      I've heard Sugar is the reason many of the kids learned to hack their first machine. That's a feature, not a bug.

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  3. Re:Do not be sad that is is over by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

    Think of all the poor kids who would be without worthless computers today had it not been for this program.

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  4. Negroponte moved on? Shocking. by SuperBanana · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The founder of the MIT Media Lab, which churns out nothing but useless ivory-tower crap, moved on to something more shiny?

    Shocking.

    OLPC was nothing more than a way to pay for travel to academic conferences and get his name into stuff.

  5. Re:Not surprised by jcomeau_ictx · · Score: 2

    perhaps. I believe the current ubiquity of under-$100 computers is due in part to OLPC. I just wish everybody would make devices waterproof and drop-resistant by default, as the OLPC project pushed.

  6. The OLPC Community does not depend on OLPC Corpora by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I and a few other volunteers set up a few new deployments just this past January (2014) in Haiti. 8 years on, the XO-1's are still great learning tools. There is still a supply, as a lot of people redonated their "get one," and the laptops themselves seem to last almost forever. Spare parts aren't all that hard to find, and there are dozens if not hundreds of developers and sysadmins still supporting existing deployments, with the more adventurous of us working on new ones.
     
    For anyone interested in starting a new deployment with XO-1's, you can get in touch with us at http://unleashkids.org and we can talk about the details.

  7. Re:Not surprised by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It wasn't silly when it began. When it started, ethere was nothing of the sort even remotely available on the market. More like, market has caught up and can produce hardware cheaper now.

  8. OLPC served its purpose by LoRdTAW · · Score: 4, Insightful

    OLPC was a project to get computers into the hands of children in developing nations. This was at a time when a laptop for a hundred bucks was thought to be impossible...... and then along came smart phones and tablets.

    The OLPC was made obsolete by these devices. You can now get Android tablets for under 50 bucks and have access to hundreds of thousands of apps on the Android OS. No longer are you stuck in a sandbox like system with limited hardware and software. Sure they arent as rugged but the low cost makes them more appealing and they are essentially throw away (though that is not necessarily a good thing)
    See this:
    http://globalnews.ca/news/1203449/canadian-makers-of-worlds-lowest-cost-tablet-aim-for-a-20-device/

    1. Re:OLPC served its purpose by steveha · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree.

      If OLPC wants a new mission, it should be to develop educational software that runs on standard Android tablets.

      You can buy "white box" Android tablets at amazingly cheap prices because they are mass-produced in China. While these tablets fall short of the ideal devices imagined by OLPC, there is absolutely no way for OLPC to get their costs down to match.

      You can buy at least three Android tablets for the cost of one OLPC device. You could bundle tablets with a keyboard, a carrying case, and maybe a solar panel, and still massively undercut the OLPC's custom hardware.

      Cheap Android tablet's don't have great battery life. But I bought one of the original XO-1 laptops and it only had a few hours of battery life, so clearly OLPC must consider even the limited battery life of a cheap tablet to be sufficient.

      One of the nifty things about the OLPC custom design is that it's easy to repair. But with the massive cost advantage of a generic Android tablet, whole spare tablets could be shipped.

      The promise of Sugar never was realized. For example, one of the reasons I bought an XO-1 laptop was that I was excited by the thought of the "show source" key, where you were supposed to be able to go anywhere in the system, hit the "show source" key, and find some kind of editable Python source code you could tweak. I never did find any source to tweak before I gave away my laptop. (It's in India now!)

      Another part of the OLPC custom hardware was the "mesh" networking, which aimed to make it possible for multiple students to cooperatively share limited networking resources. Did that ever actually get used? All the photos I have seen show students in classrooms, and if the classroom has WiFi then an Android tablet would work fine. If the "mesh" networking is valuable, then maybe OLPC should invest in a one-off gadget that just does that, and plugs into the USB port on an Android tablet.

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    2. Re:OLPC served its purpose by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      "If OLPC wants a new mission, it should be to develop educational software that runs on standard Android tablets."

      no....
      If OLPC wants a new mission, it should be to develop FREE educational software that runs on standard Android tablets.

      This is what is needed, along with FREE educational texts in native languages. one of the largest problems is that there are not a lot of books printed in the languages of 3rd world countries. and absolutely no advanced education texts.

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    3. Re:OLPC served its purpose by zwazo · · Score: 2
      Speaking from my experiences training teachers in Haiti in Sugar...

      As far as source code goes, press Shift+Alt+V. It's also available on the dropdown menu for the Activity. Maybe that feature was added after you gave your XO to India (thanks for redonating it so volunteers like me can get it into the hands of kids who need it); maybe it just wasn't included in the minimal guide. Yep, sometimes it's not a hardware or software issue; it's a lack of documentation.

      Mesh networking is great! Students can use it to chat, send each other photos, and edit documents together - like collaborating on a Google Doc, but offline. Most classrooms in the 3rd world don't have WiFi obviously, and there's no signal if you're sitting outside under the trees. The fact that children can connect their computers with the touch of a button and no extra infrastructure is one of the best things about the XOs.

      Sugar's got its quirks and disadvantages, but I'm still astounded every once in a while when I come across a new activity...the people who worked to develop these tools had a great vision in mind and it shows in their work.

  9. Re:"one mind control device" by CRCulver · · Score: 2

    also when I get on the bus each day, I see each and every one of them starring into their smartphones, no longer interacting with one another, mindless wasting their lives in games and Facebook shit.

    Before smartphones, commuters were staring into books (which contained less information than an Internet-connected device can provide), doing crosswords or simply looking out the window. In my considerable experience of commuter transportation around the world, I have never seen people on their way to the daily grind "interacting with one another" to any significant degree.

  10. OLPC was the shot across the bow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The OLPC XO-1 enpirically demonstrated that one could manufacture a self-contained device that could credibly be called a "computer" for $100. While that's no big deal today, it was unheard of a decade ago, and the XO-1 stood as the empirical proof it was possible.

  11. Phones perhaps? by Fuzzums · · Score: 2

    I'm affraid my current smartphone probably has more memory, more storage and is faster than my 8 years old single core laptop running W-XP.
    So how about one smartphone per child?

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  12. The OLPC Underground by zwazo · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I emailed OLPC last year, I didn't expect a response and I didn't get one. Instead, Project Rive's XO laptops came from the Contributors' Program, which is run by volunteers for volunteers. 10 computers go down in someone's suitcase, instead of 10,000 being sent to a government. This "unofficial" effort has long been doing a much better job than the official guys, because we give schools the support they need - from solar setups to curriculum. Unleash Kids launched several programs in Haiti this year. We're using the original XO-1 computers, with new tools like a customized version of Sugar, the XSCE school server, and Internet-in-a-Box. Yep, the computers themselves are still being used years later, and there's a community working to find new uses and users. There's 2.5 million XOs out there, built to last longer than the latest tablet. No matter what happens to the big guys, Unleash Kids and others inspired by the OLPC vision will continue

    1. Re:The OLPC Underground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      YES! The real story (if anyone wants to research it, many PhDs will be written) is that the bulk OLPC's institutional capacity wound down in the Prior Decade (innovation thrived in 2007-2009 especially) largely replaced by a far larger global community of DIY implementers. In particular olpcMAP.net is an unauthorized *treasure*, entirely crowdsourced and volunteer-run, far more comprehensive than OLPC's own "official" map. The reason is that country after country realized our children Won't Wait for bureaucrats to implement open educational technology. Hundreds of amazing OLPC offshoots arose alongside aside slow-moving institutional forces, escaping the trap of oft-dictatorial developing world politics. Not the droids you are looking for: planet.laptop.org aggregates many of these blogs from community DIY implementers worldwide (Lesotho, Nepal, Kenya, Haiti, India, Peru, Oceania, CeibalJAM, Columbus School for Girls!) who just got tired of the establishment's slow-moving institutional forces. And instead stepped on a plane/bus/motorcycle to start the Real Work of patiently rising up alongside thoughtful communities everywhere. Appropriating and animating learning technology instead of talking about it.

  13. OLPC vs EEPC by careysub · · Score: 4, Informative

    I bought one of the OLPCs (actually two, as part of the "give one get one" charity program) for my daughter who was in the target age group at the time - and shortly thereafter I also bought an EEPC running Linux. The result - user acceptance of the EEPC blew the OLPC into the weeds. The OLPC was on minor novelty value, and that was all. The Atom processor on the EEPC smoked the Geode of course, and the native apps has far better performance of course than the Python programs on the OLPC, but the real kicker was this: the EEPC let my daughter do thins she actually wanted to do! What a concept!

    It is sad to such a significant amount of money and creativity being poured into a such a "broken by design" project. You pick the slowest processor out there (since low power consumption was apparently a pre-eminent goal of the project). But then you put very inefficient software on it. And it is not even a good app suite!

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  14. Re:Raspberry? by gwolf · · Score: 2

    Expanding a bit from my previous post: Of course, interested kids will get their RPi going, and might end up making magic, just as many of us did with our 8-bit machines 25 years ago. However, the bar the OLPC set to itself was quite different — And might I say, much higher: To come up with a {product, system} that's made for kids. For all kids. To help them to learn about everything, not just about how to do I/O with a computer. An operating environment that's tailored to a constructuvist view of education, allowing them to (easily) understand what's going on in the programs — But even if they don't want to, give them a wide array of programs to hand-hold them through the whole educational process.

    Not by far the same task. Both RPi and OLPC set on for extraordinary tasks. But their targets are very far from each other.

  15. Quoting fake OLPC advocacy site .. by DTentilhao · · Score: 2

    The OLPC News website in the past months has build up a reputation for sharply criticizing the $100 laptop project headed up by Nicholas Negroponte .. You can shrug your shoulders and simply ignore the blog, but Christopher Blizzard, one of the OLPC's contributors and an employee for Red Hat, looked a little bit further. It turns out that one of the site's authors works on an Intel project that is competing with the OLPC. Oops." link

  16. OLPC not a failure by nicestep · · Score: 2

    I bought an XO-1 from the first "Give One Get One" promotion many years ago. I was a bit disappointed with it, but I learned to write Activities for Sugar and eventually wrote a book on the subject which you may check out here:

    https://archive.org/details/Ma...

    I used my XO-1 as an e-book reader and was so pleased with it and all the thousands of free e-books available from archive.org and Project Gutenberg that I learned to create and donate books to these sites and wrote a book on that subject:

    https://archive.org/details/EB...

    I also wrote a few Activities for the platform. So did many others, including some children. You can check them all out here:

    http://activities.sugarlabs.or...

    You can also check out Sugar itself, easily. Your Linux distribution probably includes it. You can run it in a window in your current desktop or log into it as an alternate desktop.

    You can say that the laptop was never as good or as cheap as we hoped it would be. You could say that it never got into the hands of as many children as we had hoped it would. That would be true. But you can't say it didn't work. The Constructionist method works. If I had a kid I'd want him to be educated that way.

    Consider this: In 1969 intelligent people thought we might have a sizable moon base and a donut shaped space station with a Hilton and a Howard Johnson's by 2001. That year came and went and we still have neither of those things. We barely have Howard Johnson's restaurants on Earth these days. But no reasonable person would say that the Apollo program was a failure. A disappointment maybe, but not a failure. And manned space exploration on the scale shown in 2001 will happen. Not as soon as we would like, but it will happen.

    You can say the same thing about using computers to educate our children. It's going to happen. There are bad ways to do this. OLPC showed us a good way to do it. It is still showing us that.