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Navy Database Tracks Civilians' Parking Tickets, Fender-Benders

schwit1 (797399) writes with this excerpt from the Washington Examiner: "A parking ticket, traffic citation or involvement in a minor fender-bender are enough to get a person's name and other personal information logged into a massive, obscure federal database run by the U.S. military. The Law Enforcement Information Exchange, or LinX, has already amassed 506.3 million law enforcement records ranging from criminal histories and arrest reports to field information cards filled out by cops on the beat even when no crime has occurred."

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  1. Relevant by The+Cat · · Score: 5, Informative
    1. Re:Relevant by noh8rz10 · · Score: 3, Informative

      interesting point that, in addition to the problem of creepy govt mass surveillance, this also has creepy domestic military surveillance. double creeps.

    2. Re:Relevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's a bunch of NSA paid agents and just simply US military people (and incidentally, Russian security people too; have a look at some of the comments on articles about the Ukraine all over the internet). Just like with Microsoft's shills, since they are being paid and probably even have special automated notification systems when a new story comes up, they come straight in a the beginning and mod things they don't like to zero in the hope they never get noticed.

      This means that if you have mod points then the first thing you should do is look for reasonable -1 or 0 rated comments against these organisations. They don't even have to be good; just reasonable - normal comments should end up around 1 or 2. Only after that mod up the good comments.

    3. Re:Relevant by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Informative

      If it is authorized by congress then the military can legally do what it wants to civilians.

      The loophole, unlike the eye of a needle is big enough to drive your camel through:
      ...said force may be expressly authorized by the Constitution or by act of Congress

      And maybe this is important:
      The President, by using the militia or the armed forces, or both, or by any other :means, shall take such measures as he considers necessary to suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy, if it--
              (1) so hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States
              within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, :privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and :the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that :right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or
              (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes :the course of justice under those laws...

      Basically the Posse Comitatus Act is merely a paper tiger which basically asserts federal authority over the military. It does not prohibit them from being used against civilians. It only prohibits local authorities from deploying the troops.

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    4. Re:Relevant by l0ungeb0y · · Score: 3, Informative

      How is it relevant? Posse Comitatus applies only to Military ENFORCEMENT of State Laws.
      The Navy in collecting this data is not enforcing anything, they are merely conducting data mining.

      The GPs comment is a Red Herring and SHOULD be modded down

    5. Re:Relevant by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      They share the data with local law enforcement and the FBI. Which makes it a clear violation. The less obvious violation is what they are using the data for... which is to help them prevent a terrorist act. Something they should not be involved in.

    6. Re:Relevant by NFN_NLN · · Score: 2

      Oh look, "murder" was outlawed in 1200 B.C., those ideas are so antiquated.

    7. Re:Relevant by Baloroth · · Score: 2

      Decidedly not relevant. The NCIS (which is what actually collects said data, not the Navy proper) is a civilian organization (according to their website, 98% of their agents are civilians, and 90% of the agency overall is civilian) which is specifically authorized by Congress to engage in law enforcement. Law enforcement is, in fact, it's whole reason for existence. Posse Commitus does not apply.

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  2. Keeping "personal information" without authority by davecb · · Score: 2

    There is a principle in law (but not in all jurisdictions) that one can only keep personal information about one's customers during the time one is doing business with them. Libraries, one of the original examples, only keep "who has book X" records until the book is returned.

    What business relationship does the Navy have with random people, and what are they doing with copies of their parking tickets? Personal information, and especially personally identifying information should be closely held. Therefor it should not be collected by businesses, police or the military except where the law specifically allows.

    To make it a little harsher, is not possession of someone else's social security number in the U.S. prima facie evidence of an attempt to impersonate them? Of "identity theft"?

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  3. The Army is spying on people too by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is not the database, the problem is who's running it. The military has zero business spying on civilians. The CiA doesn't like the competition.

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    1. Re:The Army is spying on people too by DougOtto · · Score: 2

      While the fact the Navy is compiling the data is concerning, the information they're collecting is public record. Newsflash: if you get arrested, everyone can know.

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  4. 1996 by __aaqvdr516 · · Score: 5, Informative

    When I enlisted in '96, I was asked why I didn't inform anyone that I was pulled over in 1995. I was questioned as to why I was pulled over and what happened. I didn't think anything of it.

    I was not issued any citation for being pulled over as it was a case of mistaken identity. Still, the Navy had a record of it.

    1. Re:1996 by DexterIsADog · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ya, I am pretty sure they use this information to weed out unsavories during the enlistment process.

      Um, what? So they're concerned you might not be Navy material because of speeding tickets, and unfit to join the ranks that commit sexual assault?

      Sounds a bit like Alice's Restaurant.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice%27s_restaurant

  5. Data sharing applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    LiNX is one of a number of data sharing systems in use today. It works with local law enforcement agencies to warehouse data across different jurisdictions so that they can see each other's data. What's strange is it's under the Navy. The FBI runs another system called the National Data Exhange (n-DEx) which does the same thing but more generally. LiNX is used more for port cities. Commercial vendors like IBM provide their CopLink product to states and local jurisdictions to share data as well (see MODEX project in state of Colorado). Some states like Ohio have their statewide data sharing system that serves to aggregate data for NDEX. These are all systems operated by state/federal law enforcement agnecies that capture when you've done something wrong. This is different from the surveillance activities of the NSA that capture information indiscriminately.

    1. Re:Data sharing applications by careysub · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And this business of "field information cards" is especially worrisome. A cop can write down anything on a card he likes, and since no action is taken on a card, its very existence would be unknown to you - unless he/she choses to show it you. There is no way of knowing what (mis)information is being generated about you by any random cop. One wonders whether this data, once "in the system" is ever completely, totally purged.

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  6. Data sharing applications by rchawdry5759 · · Score: 3, Informative

    LiNX is one of a number of data sharing systems in use today. It works with local law enforcement agencies to warehouse data across different jurisdictions so that they can see each other's data. What's strange is it's under the Navy. The FBI runs another system called the National Data Exhange (n-DEx) which does the same thing but more generally. LiNX is used more for port cities whereas FBI is much more broad. Commercial vendors like IBM provide their CopLink product to states and local jurisdictions to share data as well (see MODEX project in state of Colorado). Some states like Ohio have their own statewide data sharing system that serves to aggregate data for NDEX. These are all systems operated by state/federal law enforcement agnecies that capture when you've done something wrong. This is different from the surveillance activities of the NSA that capture information indiscriminately.

  7. Re:Keeping "personal information" without authorit by EvilSS · · Score: 2

    There is a principle in law (but not in all jurisdictions) that one can only keep personal information about one's customers during the time one is doing business with them. Libraries, one of the original examples, only keep "who has book X" records until the book is returned.

    What business relationship does the Navy have with random people, and what are they doing with copies of their parking tickets? Personal information, and especially personally identifying information should be closely held. Therefor it should not be collected by businesses, police or the military except where the law specifically allows.

    To make it a little harsher, is not possession of someone else's social security number in the U.S. prima facie evidence of an attempt to impersonate them? Of "identity theft"?

    None of which applies to a federal law enforcement agency, which NCIS is.

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  8. Re:Navy Security Agency by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 3, Interesting

    "Maybe they just wanted a database that was more accurate than the riffraff online investigation sites offer, it is public record anyway."

    No, it isn't. Certainly not all of it, anyway.

    In my state, even police are required to log a reason for looking up a license plate. Most data about the public is not a matter of public record.

    Having said that: some things are, of course. The fact that someone has been arrested is temporarily public record, so that you can see whether your boyfriend needs to get bailed out again when he doesn't show up for a day. And so on. And conviction records are public. But not all arrest records remain public because not everyone who is arrested is convicted... it's a great way to discriminate against innocent people.

    I think -- but I am not sure -- that convictions for traffic violations are also public. Which includes guilty pleas.

  9. Data Sharing Initiatives by Ronin+Developer · · Score: 2

    This is nothing new - I have written about it my responses for years. I worked for a company that developed a system that was being considered by Homeland Security when I left in 2009.

    In the early 2ks, there were a multitude of records management systems in use by public safety. Our system was designed for small and medium size departments- large cities were not our forte.

    There was a lot of data and no way to correlate it among departments in the same counties, let alone state or federal levels. The system we devised worked seemlessly with our customer's and it allowed them to decide what information they desired to share. And, more importantly, they could just as easily shutdown that access. We adapted our system to be able to pull dta from other vendor systems. And, it was noticed. Every incident, ticket, arrest was instantly searchable...from a national level in under seven seconds. It didn't use links.

    Our system wasn't the first, just one that worked...welll..really well. States were receiving grants from the Feds and a lot was funneled into academic research. GJXDM and subsequent NIEM models were built. The FBI also was looking at a system of their own design.

    States such as Ohio, Wisconsin, Florida, PA, NJ and others all had systems...they just werent unified. I would suspect that, if the article is true and NCIS became the keepers, it was for national security reasons.

    None of this is new. How many of you knew that most departments couldnt communicate with those in other counties by radio because of lack of standards? Legislation was passed to help them all be able to communicate in the interest of national security. We were in two wars and fighting an unseen one. Yet, a cop who pulled someone over in one county might not know that when the same vehicle was pulled over again...five minutes away.

    Our system alerted an officer to one such routine stop. First time, there was no probable cause to search the vehicle. A few minutes later, the vehicle was pulled over again. But, the last stop was in the system and the officer approached the car with caution. Shots were fired as the officer approached and he was hit - but, not before neutralizing the threat. He had a vest and lived.

    NCIC would not have had the realtime data. Our system did. I suspect the system in question is also near-realtime.

    Is it spying? Perhaps at some level. But, it is a database of public safety info. Yes, your tattoos and tramp stamps are in the system if you were arrested. They help identify gangs or indicate when a rival gang is moving into a new territory, believe it or not.

    Is the system here collecting more information about ongoing investigations or public information or information pertinent to law enforcement doing their duty?

    And, FYI, a cop doesn't need permission to run your plates - that rule varies state by state. Often, it is a hit against a state run DMV or parking authority that gives the probable cause to run a full check. Do some abuse this power? Maybe. Most cops I knew

  10. Re:Is this a map of teabager counties? by dlgeek · · Score: 2
    Texas:
    • Naval Station Ingleside (Planned to house a battlegroup, but was closed in 2010)
    • Naval Air Station Corpus Christi
    • Naval Air Station Ft. Worth
    • Naval Air Station Kingsville