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NSA Hacked Huawei, Stole Source Code
Charliemopps (1157495) writes "New documents from Snowden indicate that the NSA hacked into and stole documents, including source code, from the Chinese networking firm Huawei. Ironically, this is the same firm that the U.S. government has argued in the past was a threat due to China's possible use of the same sort of attacks."
That's probably how the US govt knows Huawei is a threat...
Wait,... isn't this the purpose of the NSA?
So if they have access to the source code, does this mean that the NSA is speaking authoritatively when they say Huawei's routers do have backdoors for the Chinese govt?
No. Huawei is a commercial company. Not a government.
This is our government engaging in corporate espionage.
#include "cisco.h"
sigh...
Huawei had stolen the code from Cisco. So it is no big loss for them. They are laughing at NSA for not getting the source from the source.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
That's what they were paid for. Good job, NSA.
Yes, but that sort of thing tends to be more valuable when it isn't publicized.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
Fucking kool-aid drinkers.
Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
He releases in between Dancing With the Starts to catch people attention before they go back to the next reality tv show.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Merely fighting against America does not necessarily make them bad guys, in a reasonably objective sense. If you are American, then anyone fighting against you would seem to be bad guys from your point of view, but from an outsider's point of view, it's just "these guys" and "these other guys".
Some might argue that them hacking makes them bad guys by some measure, but the US has been doing the same thing, so I'd consider that inconclusive at best and hypocrisy at worst. Others might argue that the stuff done to Americans during the Vietnam War makes them bad guys, but given everything done by the Americans during the Vietnam War... well, same conclusion.
With that said of course, the Chinese government has had a history of doing some very shitty things to a lot of people. On the other hand, so has the US government...
I guess you missed the part where it's in China. Communist/fascist regimes don't have distinctions like that.
Neither do US corporations either... Microsoft, Google, Apple, Yahoo, RSA & others all collect data for the NSA.
So NSA does its job by stealing documents from China. Chinese do their job by stealing documents from the US. Snowden as a whistleblower does his job by exposing the documents. Its win-win-win for all.
Huawei so serious?
Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
That's what they were paid for. Good job, NSA.
Except that they just undermined their government's protests and Chinese hacking. Unlike US allegations against China which are pretty thin the Chinese now have concrete evidence of international law-breaking and industrial espionage against them. Expect it to be used against the US at the WTO and whenever the US tries to make any complaints about hacking in the future.
It will be interesting to see how the US government tries to spin this. They said in the past that hacking could be considered an act of war, retaliated against with conventional weapons as well as cyberattacks. It's pretty much open season on the US now, and you can expect to see virus attacks on US infrastructure in the future. All thanks to the NSA.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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Why was "military stuff" near any vast fast public networks? What contractor or gov worker would connect a site, factory, base, supply system to a public network for anyone to 'try' for from some competing or hostile distant nation? Thats why most wealthy nations had dedicated hardened networks and very skilled staff. Only poor nations used their own low quality civilian like telco systems for encoded mill use.
i.e. you get into a typing pool or low security mil network or its a massive well crafted honeypot.
i.e. after the first few attempts by other nations to 'look' at the more secret networks - would steps be taken to remove or not connect military stuff from easy public networks with suspect international access?
If the US was so good on the offensive part as we are now understanding via whistleblowers and the US press the hardened/secure parts would have been as impressive over decades?
So expect the stories of mass 'military stuff' been lost via huge open fast public networks interfacing with fast not secure mil networks to be propaganda, a domestic recruiting tool (get a smart well paying mil job to help save the nations networks), extra funding stories of local political leaders (boondoggles) or junk science that could be lost with no risk.
The US had a total mastery of getting into other nations networks globally but much less understanding in not connecting its own real data to the same fast open junk public/academic/telco networks?
Expect honeypots, ended projects, altered work and disinformation to have been found at the end of most "hacking military stuff" - good enough to keep another nation best occupied/spending for years and follow back the hackers networks but not anything too useful.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
When China engages in spying on corporate America, they spy on companies like Valspar for the formula the US Navy uses to protect warships from rust. They then give that information to Chinese firms to make durable paint for their own navy, and to turn a huge profit.
When the NSA spies on Huawei, they use the information to discover vulnerabilities they then go on to internally use to exploit the infrastructure of those who use them. They do not give the information to Cisco in order to make more efficient American routers (that are then made in China.).
So China uses industrial espionage to strengthen their military and economy. The NSA uses industrial espionage to weaken the security of everyone equally.
See the difference? Me neither.
John
It will be interesting to see how the US government tries to spin this.
"It was not theft, it was copyright infringement."
Right.
However I have some Chinese friends who aren't too happy with the history of their government. The remember things like relatives being bundled off to the provinces to never be seen again.
Remember the empty chair.
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America has plenty of problems but....
IPv4 or IPv6?
General Relativity: Space-time tells matter where to go; Matter tells space-time what shape to be.
There is no comparison my friend. You need to read about the glorious peoples' revolution in china. You need to read about 30 million people dying to famine because of Mao. When people compare the USA with China or the Soviet Union, it just shows how ignorant they are of history.
> Wait,... isn't this the purpose of the NSA?
According to US government, hacking communication infrastructure of a country by another government is an "act of war", not regular espionage. They said this very loudly just before Snowden revelations began. So NO. They are not supposed to be doing that.
Which, given what a social, political, environmental and cultural wasteland the Communists left behind wherever they gained authority, was a justifiable and in fact laudable goal.
Futurist Traditionalism
Q: Why is Snowden a traitor and North not?
Please show your working.
I'll bet it's an amusing little bit that skates around some view that Snowden was betraying a King for his country and North betraying his country in the way he served his King. I really don't get why people like you want to spit in the face of George Washington and go back to King George.
Maybe they do. One odd thing to come out was taxpayer funded industrial espionage of Indonesian clove cigarettes for "US commercial clients". I wonder how much commercial spying is going on and what the kickbacks to the intelligence agencies or those issuing the orders are.
So you want us to bring up slavery?
Now do you understand how STUPID your attempted goalpost shift above is.
#include "cisco.h"