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NSA Hacked Huawei, Stole Source Code
Charliemopps (1157495) writes "New documents from Snowden indicate that the NSA hacked into and stole documents, including source code, from the Chinese networking firm Huawei. Ironically, this is the same firm that the U.S. government has argued in the past was a threat due to China's possible use of the same sort of attacks."
That's probably how the US govt knows Huawei is a threat...
Wait,... isn't this the purpose of the NSA?
but include the little teapot.
... on the youtube. It's going to be hard to find, for obvious reasons. Here is a link.
Edward Snowden: Here's how we take back the Internet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVwAodrjZMY
The job of the NSA is to gack foreign companies and steal their source code?
Interesting to say the least, do you have a source for this information, as I'm sure several governments would be interested.
So if they have access to the source code, does this mean that the NSA is speaking authoritatively when they say Huawei's routers do have backdoors for the Chinese govt?
No. Huawei is a commercial company. Not a government.
This is our government engaging in corporate espionage.
The Chinese have been hacking American military stuff since the 1980s.
Not only that, they were the source of the vast majority of the weapons used against us in the Vietnam war, and fought directly against us in Korea.
They're bad guys.
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#include "cisco.h"
sigh...
Huawei had stolen the code from Cisco. So it is no big loss for them. They are laughing at NSA for not getting the source from the source.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
That's what they were paid for. Good job, NSA.
Yes, but that sort of thing tends to be more valuable when it isn't publicized.
much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot - George Orwell
The job of the NSA is to gack foreign companies and steal their source code?
Many of the "jobs" of the NSA are classified. It is perfectly plausible that this would be one of them. Since there is no oversight, we should always assume the worse. Chances are they will have gone well beyond whatever you can possibly dream up.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
He releases in between Dancing With the Starts to catch people attention before they go back to the next reality tv show.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
I guess you missed the part where it's in China. Communist/fascist regimes don't have distinctions like that.
Neither do US corporations either... Microsoft, Google, Apple, Yahoo, RSA & others all collect data for the NSA.
So, in essence, the NSA stole the stuff Huawei originally stole from Canada's Nortel.
Trolling is a art,
The US government and the big US commercial companies behaves as one giant blob of corruption though.
The richest and most powerful 1% in china wants exactly the same as the 1% in the US. Same shit.
So NSA does its job by stealing documents from China. Chinese do their job by stealing documents from the US. Snowden as a whistleblower does his job by exposing the documents. Its win-win-win for all.
Huawei so serious?
Mod me down, my New Earth Global Warmingist friends!
That's not the only joke on the NSA.
An even bigger one is that they have now validated and condoned stealing source code as an acceptable activity. The legal ramifications of this are immense. The comedy value is just icing on the cake.
That's what they were paid for. Good job, NSA.
Except that they just undermined their government's protests and Chinese hacking. Unlike US allegations against China which are pretty thin the Chinese now have concrete evidence of international law-breaking and industrial espionage against them. Expect it to be used against the US at the WTO and whenever the US tries to make any complaints about hacking in the future.
It will be interesting to see how the US government tries to spin this. They said in the past that hacking could be considered an act of war, retaliated against with conventional weapons as well as cyberattacks. It's pretty much open season on the US now, and you can expect to see virus attacks on US infrastructure in the future. All thanks to the NSA.
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That is not humor. We are dangerous and we accept no threat to exist.
Yes. The NSA does no do this for entertainment or commercial purpose. This is the force of a major power being used to augment the industrial military might. This is just one facet of what really goes on not what you think goes on.
Anyone seeing here why the TPP trade deal might not be such a good idea after all? Then again over the last 20 years you've all see the dollar that was with 5 Canadian to 1 US go 1 for 1. Your paying 5 bucks a gallon for gas and almost as much for milk. Warning signs? What warning signs..? We'll be having are dollar even with the peso in the middle of a zombie apocalypse, and the news will still be telling everyone that everything is okay...
When China engages in spying on corporate America, they spy on companies like Valspar for the formula the US Navy uses to protect warships from rust. They then give that information to Chinese firms to make durable paint for their own navy, and to turn a huge profit.
When the NSA spies on Huawei, they use the information to discover vulnerabilities they then go on to internally use to exploit the infrastructure of those who use them. They do not give the information to Cisco in order to make more efficient American routers (that are then made in China.).
So China uses industrial espionage to strengthen their military and economy. The NSA uses industrial espionage to weaken the security of everyone equally.
See the difference? Me neither.
John
Um, nice revisionist history there. Unfortunately reality and the internet disagree with you.
Don't complain about syntax, grammar, or spelling. There is no.hell like input on android.
Well at least someone stands up and takes credit for all that.
Tell us what you know !!! Information wants to be free
Well thanks for that NSA - keeping the new network where I live properly security vetted ;-)
[I happen to live in the Isle of Man where the the new LTE stuff is being done with these (invisible) guys]
NB We had the first 3G network in Europe & the Japanese engineers were everywhere for development
Having Leeched on
NSA workers not only succeeded in accessing the email archive, but also the secret source code of individual Huwaei products. Software source code is the holy grail of computer companies.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
It will be interesting to see how the US government tries to spin this.
"It was not theft, it was copyright infringement."
Right, "commercial company" in the commie CPC empire. What planet do you live on?
Fuck systemd. Fuck Redhat. Fuck Soylent, too. Wait, scratch the last one.
Uh...yeah...no
The lowest the Canadian dollar has ever been was 61.79 cents US.
You're still paying attention, though, I see.
Repeat after me: China = bad! NSA = good!
> Wait,... isn't this the purpose of the NSA?
According to US government, hacking communication infrastructure of a country by another government is an "act of war", not regular espionage. They said this very loudly just before Snowden revelations began. So NO. They are not supposed to be doing that.
Yep, my bad, you are right. That was the exchange I got at a store up there for a pack of smokes while on vacation paying with US dollars, nice to have made out like a bandit at one point. Still even at that, it was 1.62CAN/1.00US, now it's 1.12CAN/1.00US.
Which, given what a social, political, environmental and cultural wasteland the Communists left behind wherever they gained authority, was a justifiable and in fact laudable goal.
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Isn't that why they hacked huawei?
It's pretty much open season on the US now, and you can expect to see virus attacks on US infrastructure in the future. All thanks to the NSA.
I wouldn't mind getting some new infrastructure. Burn it all down.
...isn't that kinda what we pay them to do?
seriously, the last time i checked China was a communist country with no rule of law and no true free elections...isn't it then part of the national security interests of the United States to do what they can to keep tabs on all sorts of stuff?
don't we know that Chinese hackers have infiltrated *our* corporations? do you really think microsoft has never been hacked or the windows source code downloaded and sold to players all over the globe?
i mean, really...is what everyone here shooting for is the US just closing up all security agencies and saying to its citizens "well, game over...lets hope we never need protection against bad actors on the world stage....breath mint anyone?"
never bring a twinkie to a food fight.
That is how you do it folks :)
When NSA went into it, they found backdoors in the code designed to look for things. Snowden is such a traitor that he is only giving part of the data that he found. Had he wanted to be half way decent, he would have shown what the NSA found.
Um, nice revisionist history there. Unfortunately reality and the internet disagree with you.
he's pretty much right. gas and milk are $4/gal. if the dollar were even with the peso and there were a zombie apocalypse, fox news would be blaming obama and illegal immigrants.
change that to "Armed Robbery"
Yeah, but folks are on the status quo only recognition mode, seems it's the same crap that preceded the fall of the soviet union. "Oh look there's a problem we can't solve because it will effect our paychecks and piss off the corporations, lets ignore it and move to the next one while the unsolved one compounds."
Q: Why is Snowden a traitor and North not?
Please show your working.
I'll bet it's an amusing little bit that skates around some view that Snowden was betraying a King for his country and North betraying his country in the way he served his King. I really don't get why people like you want to spit in the face of George Washington and go back to King George.
Maybe they do. One odd thing to come out was taxpayer funded industrial espionage of Indonesian clove cigarettes for "US commercial clients". I wonder how much commercial spying is going on and what the kickbacks to the intelligence agencies or those issuing the orders are.
So you want us to bring up slavery?
Now do you understand how STUPID your attempted goalpost shift above is.
So, we're now talking about the NSA backdoors in routers made by US companies?
And they lost in Malaya, the forgotten episode of the Cold War. Actually the CHINESE lost in Vietnam; by the end the North was aligned with Moscow and actually fought a war with China in 1979. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
The NSA certainly does spy for commercial advantage. Remember when they spied on Airbus so that Boeing could win some contracts?
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
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in 1999 1 US dollar went for 1.30 canadian.(i only know this because I worked on the NYS thruway and we had to know this being that we would deal with canadians) not quite 5-1, and in the past few years the canadian dollar was actually stronger than ours.
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What's tally ironic is that iPhones are manufactured in China. That's the kind of irony that makes my ears fall off. I think, at some point we're going to have to make these devices in the US.
#include "cisco.h"
Except that they just undermined their government's protests and Chinese hacking. Unlike US allegations against China which are pretty thin the Chinese now have concrete evidence of international law-breaking and industrial espionage against them. Expect it to be used against the US at the WTO and whenever the US tries to make any complaints about hacking in the future.
And you just expressed why the one sided leaks of Snowden have done so much damage to the US and the west, not helped them as is often claimed. Snowden has handed the ammo to the very people who have waged the largest hacking campaign against the west for them to continue doing what they have been while allowing them to play the victim. The US has proof of the allegations against China, and others, but revealing them would compromise its ability to continue stopping them (namely reveal what they can detect versus what they didn't), so the US doesn't reveal it unless it is a very major event. I find it very hard to believe that with the documents Snowden had access to he did not also uncover ones documenting the known attacks by actors like the Chinese against the US, yet he has chosen NOT to release THOSE. And of the attacks and breakins the US knows about, there are many fold more that were done against the US that the US doesn't know about (unless of course you buy the theory that the US is all powerful and everyone else is incompetent).
And the argument that it was the journalists that release the docs, not Snowden, is a strawman. Snowden chose which documents to give to the journalists. Claiming it was just a large dump of unreviewed documents that he gave to foreigners, even if he believed they were journalist, is not a responsible act.
I thought any company in China has to be owned at 51% by the government?
I wonder if the NSA was surprised to find Cisco copyright notices in the "Huawei" code they took? And wouldn't this be repossession rather than theft?
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