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Social Media Becomes the New Front In Mexico's Drug War

An anonymous reader writes "The drug cartels operating in Mexico have often been compared to large corporations, with their own codified leadership hierarchy, recruitment methods, and accounting practices. But part of any big corporation's playbook is a marketing/PR plan. The cartels have long operated a version of those, too, by threatening journalists and killing civilians who speak up. Like any corporation these days, the drug cartels have recognized the power of social media, and they're using it more and more to propagate their messages of intimidation and violence. Quoting: 'Six days after Beltran Leyva's death, gunmen murdered family members of the only Mexican marine killed in the apartment complex siege — including the marine's mother. That same day, a fire was set at a nearby school where a banner was flown, warning that more killings would follow if the federal government made any further attempts to interfere in cartel actions. Photos of the school were then tweeted and shared in status updates — a reply to images of Beltran Leyva's corpse being shared on social media.'"

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  1. Mandate real names, a great idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sometimes good folks have something to hide. Their identities from bad folks.

  2. Re:Same as the US TLAs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of them has a vested interest in ensuring that drugs remain illegal so there's no risk in losing their major source of profit, and the other isnt affiliated in government in any way.

  3. Lawmakers need to do the right thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All it would take is a single strike of the pen to remove the cartels' entire purpose for existing, along with the massive societal benefits of no more overcrowding in prisons, no more lives being ruined because of absurd and unjust laws, the possible breakthroughs which can never happen so long as the research is illegal, and the reversal of the militarization of police forces around the country. Prohibition is a proven failure, and factually creates criminals out of innocent people and problems where there were none before.

    There is absolutely no benefit to prohibition (and even if there were, they're negligible compared to all the problems it creates) - it should be repealed immediately.

    1. Re:Lawmakers need to do the right thing by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it's not about drugs, because Canada has all the same drug trafficking issues, but without the violence (really, look up the estimates of how much marijuana comes to the US from Canada).

      Mexico has had violence and gangs of some sort or another for hundreds of years. Just think of the legendary El Guapo and Santa Ana, about whom songs have been written.

      When drugs are gone, you still have the kidnappings and the corruption. People in the US get upset when the police taze someone; compare that to Mexican police.

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    2. Re:Lawmakers need to do the right thing by pitchpipe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When drugs are gone, you still have the kidnappings and the corruption.

      I really doubt that you would have it on the same level as we have it today, but I don't think that is the reason to legalize drugs.

      We should legalize drugs because it is the right thing to do. The drug laws are a relic of the past when people thought that it was okay to legislate their brand of morality. We now know that drug prohibition causes much more harm than good, and so that makes it dangerous and wrong to continue down the prohibition path. The war on drugs is a failure, and to keep pushing for these laws either means that you're insane, or you want to manipulate the public or are being manipulated.

      I do think that as a side benefit of legalization we will see less violence and criminal activity by the cartels, less money to corrupt politicians, less money to buy arms, less money to pay muscle, etc. etc, but of course we won't see these benefits if we don't even try.

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    3. Re:Lawmakers need to do the right thing by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ah, yes, as soon as I saw this topic I knew someone would be along to blame it all on America.

      Can you imagine a world without America? There wouldn't be *any* problems, anywhere. Especially in Mexico, all of whose problems are entirely caused by the "gringos" (foreigners). Amazing, eh? When America blames its problems on foreigners, it's a ruse to divert attention from the real problems...but when Mexico does it it's different. Poor Mexico, so far from God, so close to America.

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    4. Re:Lawmakers need to do the right thing by quantaman · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Take their main source of money away and they have to move to other enterprises to keep their organization alive.

      Kidnappings-blackmail-ransom, selling organs, child prostitution, weapon trafficking, assassinations, protection rackets, robbery maybe? & etc

      Depends on how far one is willing to go really.

      They sell drugs because the money is easiest and they have a competitive advantage with a large organization (manufacturing, retails, supply chains, etc). If you take the drugs away the replacement rackets are lower revenue and require smaller orgs. Both factors that reduce the size of the operations.

      You'll still have organized crime but not the kind that grows to the scale of a large retail chain.

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    5. Re:Lawmakers need to do the right thing by hjf · · Score: 2

      Opium was legal in China. How did that work?

    6. Re:Lawmakers need to do the right thing by geekmux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Opium was legal in China. How did that work?

      The same way it worked for hundreds of years in the United States before they started making things like laudanum(opium) and marijuana illegal. And these products weren't just sitting in your grandpas stash box. They were in the family medicine cabinet, and marketed as such.

      Moderation is key with anything in life, and we certainly try and make that statement with all other legal but highly addictive products like tobacco and alcohol. I don't see why legalizing other drugs would or should be treated any differently. Marijuana is already on its way to legalization, and opium is very much welcome in the United States in the form of the trillion-dollar industry that is opiate-based painkillers. They went straight past drug reform and just made it completely legal and controlled. A bottle of opium is only a government-subsidized $5 script away for most, which explains the growing problem with painkiller addiction.

      Moderation doesn't work very well for the ignorant.

    7. Re:Lawmakers need to do the right thing by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      The US already have a mandatory treatment program for non-violent addicts and pot heads, they put them in jail.

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    8. Re:Lawmakers need to do the right thing by 3.5+stripes · · Score: 2

      It was also legal in England, and most of the world at the same time. Why pick just one example?

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  4. Is it retro news day? by cayce · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This has been ongoing for at least a decade in Mexico. From the infamous blogdelnarco to twitter. I don't see how this is news today.

  5. Wise criminals stay in the shadows... by TiggertheMad · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have wondered how far the Cartels will push the government before they just decide to cut the military loose with a death list that includes anyone even remotely involved with the Cartels. At some point the society as a whole is going to get scared/angry and demand a harsh crackdown. When tanks start rolling your million dollar estates, all the AK-47s in the world aren't going to save you.

    In any event, it is likely to get worse before it gets better.

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    1. Re:Wise criminals stay in the shadows... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      When tanks start rolling your million dollar estates, all the AK-47s in the world aren't going to save you.

      A) The drug cartels have anti tank weapons.
      B) They aren't above going after the friends and families of the soldiers.
      C) The million dollar estates are likely to be empty by the time the tanks get there. It's not like the cartels doesn't have people both in the police force and in the military.
      D) Why would the government send the military loose on the cartels? That would just remove the bribes the politicians are receiving while endangering their friends and families.

    2. Re:Wise criminals stay in the shadows... by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you think that is easy and cheap....I have this bridge in NYC for sale, and man is it a steal!

      You seriously think someone putting up those posters wont be found hanging from a brige with posters nailed to his corpse? These Cartels are not street gangs like we have street gangs now. They are better armed, better funded, and in some cases....are the police.

      Shit the Zetas, ever heard of them? They were started by police.

      There is no easy way out now that these monsters have been created. Created by naieve people seeking simple solutions. People who thought they could enforce away drug problems.... they failed to change addiction rates (their basic goal) and instead, created violent street gangs...here and around the world.

      Now this is the result. The same result as alcohol prohibition gave us, except amplified because instead of a short 15 or so years, its been going on for generations now.

      Frankly, every single one of those drug warriers who created this situation deserve to be strung up from their necks in appreciation for the mess they made while trying and failing to control people's desires.

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    3. Re:Wise criminals stay in the shadows... by khallow · · Score: 2

      But justice gangs don't have to worry about the average citizen (and shouldn't). They need to control the real opposition which is the police.

      The power of the average citizen is knowledge and real time awareness of what's going on. If the police know who and where to strike, if the witnesses to crime come forward to finger cartel targets, that's the end of the cartel.

      Obviously, it's not happening at least very quickly. Another end state here is that one or more cartels becomes the new government.

    4. Re:Wise criminals stay in the shadows... by crtreece · · Score: 2

      how far the Cartels will push the government before they just decide to cut the military loose

      Using some of their giant stream of incoming cash to bribe top govt and military officials means the cartel leaders don't have to worry about this. I expect they just consider bribes as one of the costs of doing business.

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    5. Re:Wise criminals stay in the shadows... by meta-monkey · · Score: 2, Informative

      The zetas scare me shitless. I've heard people say there's no such thing as "evil" in the world, but those people have never read up on the zetas. Cold, cold sweat shit.

      The way to win the war on drugs is to make drugs legal so there's no longer that 17,000% profit motive, but that isn't happening any time soon because the American prison, weapons and law enforcement industries make too much money off illegal drugs.

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    6. Re:Wise criminals stay in the shadows... by Grishnakh · · Score: 2

      To my knowledge, Mexico possesses an air force. Air forces are used to drop bombs on enemy locations using airplanes (and to use other airplanes to protect the ones carrying bombs).

      It really can't be that hard to figure out where these cartels operate from. Once you know that, the solution is simple: drop bombs on them. You can't have an operating cartel if their mansions and other bases are blown to smithereens.

    7. Re:Wise criminals stay in the shadows... by ikhider · · Score: 2

      Haha, silly children. The Mexican army is in on it too. So is the government. Drugs bring in more money than tourism, crops, and oil combined. So is the US government and a lot of civil servants. This is business. American style.

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  6. Re:Old News by VortexCortex · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Didn't all this happen 5 years ago? Why bring it up now and call it "The dark side of social media"?

    It will become clear when you look at the surrounding news of NSA agreeing they spy on Americans who are "socially connected" to terrorists by a few degrees of separation.

    There has to be a good reason lying around for the public mind to latch onto in order to manufacture consent. I'm going to keep posting this link until you watch it and stop asking silly questions about news.

  7. Twitter as well by barlevg · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just saw a talk about the Narcotweet project. The interesting part about Narcotweet is that it's documenting the emergence of a new kind of "journalism:" the "tweet curator" who aggregates local social media reporting. These people are routinely followed by bigger news media (CNN en Espanol) yet maintain extremely strong ties to the people witnessing these things first-hand. The power of this entire project is that it's a way of getting information from places where the conventional news sources have decided it's too risky / too expensive to send *actual* reporters.

  8. Re:Same as the US TLAs by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is why drugs will never be legal. There's too many powerful people getting their beak wet. Make drugs legal and Mexico will no longer be a blood-drenched narco state. Without the constant threat of violence, why would their honest, hard-working people flee across the border to pick our tomatoes on the cheap?

    And if drugs are legal, where else will we find non-violent "criminals" to fill our private prisons? Who else will they turn into the hardened criminals that are their repeat business? Without the hardened criminals, how will they terrorize the white middle class, and convince them to pay for the police state, and buy the weapons for the militarized police? Hell no we can't make drugs legal. Illegal drugs are too profitable.

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  9. America needs to legalize all drugs by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    Seriously, we need to legalize all drugs, BUT, require that NONE cross state borders. In addition, all production will obviously be limited to the state where it is consumed, and heavily regulated. Finally, we then focus on keeping the drugs our of those under age 21.

    By doing this, it remove the money from the drug lords and the gangs. Right now, there is plenty of money for them to share. BUT, if we do the above, they will kill each other, rather than innocent bystanders.

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  10. Re:I wonder what their grannies think. by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

    And they have to be. If you're a new cop who's gonna "make a difference!" and "fight drugs!" in Mexico, what happens right after you start walking your beat is a dude pulls you aside and says, "hey, friend, there's two ways we can do this. You take this money right here, and we'll make sure your block is safe, your home is safe, or, you refuse to take this money and we kill you, but not until we chop off the heads and rip out the tongues of every person you love. So, which is it gonna be, pal? You gonna be well-fed, safe and happy? Right? Good choice, friend. Good choice."

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  11. Re:make drugs legal - war over, cartels fail by WindBourne · · Score: 2

    hmmm. Well, will they go after my ex?

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  12. Re:My kingdom for mod points. by Copid · · Score: 2

    I don't think that the claim is that legalizing drugs will get rid of all of the problems associated with drugs. The position is that legalizing drugs trades the enormous problems caused by prohibition for the smaller problems caused by whatever marginal increase in usage repealing prohibition causes. Alcohol is a scourge, but I don't think that many people sincerely believe that we could generate a net improvement in our situation by driving it underground again.

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