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Cheaper Fuel From Self-Destructing Trees

sciencehabit (1205606) writes "Wood is great for building and heating homes, but it's the bane of biofuels. When converting plants to fuels, engineers must remove a key component of wood, known as lignin, to get to the sugary cellulose that's fermented into alcohols and other energy-rich compounds. That's costly because it normally requires high temperatures and caustic chemicals. Now, researchers in the United States and Canada have modified the lignin in poplar trees to self-destruct under mild processing conditions—a trick that could slash the cost of turning plant biomass into biofuels."

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  1. Wood fuel by ArcadeMan · · Score: 4, Funny

    Got wood, eh?

  2. bio fuel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Wood is biofuel. There is a device http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/10/20/0549231/carbon-negative-energy-machines-catching-on which when paired with a dense wood like Robinia pseudoacacia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robinia_pseudoacacia which has as much energy as anthacite coal and when harvested dumps nitrogen into the soil so that other plants grow faster and it grows back faster than it did the first time. So why can't all our power sources be food producing, fertilzer producing, erosion stopping, medicine producing, ecology improving, and sustainable?

    1. Re:bio fuel? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      You don't need an unstunted tree for fuel. Having said that, we've just cleaned our garden of these effing trees a week ago. They're a nightmare around here in Europe.

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  3. Wood IS fuel by Lodlaiden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Apply heat and O2 to complete fire triangle.

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    1. Re:Wood IS fuel by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But not a very good one. The energy to weight ratio sucks, it leaves large amounts of ash, and, being solid, can't be used in any of the myriad applications that require liquid or gaseous fuel. The problems with energy to weight and ash are large enough that as soon as coal mining was developed, coal almost completely replaced wood in people's fireplaces and stoves (until coal itself was replaced by gas and electricty and fireplaces by central heating). It's also quite polluting, as a matter of fact.

    2. Re:Wood IS fuel by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apply heat and O2 to complete fire triangle.

      Well, you’re obviously being totally naive of course. When you’ve been in marketing as long as I have, you'll know that before any new product can be developed it has to be properly researched. We’ve got to find out what people want from fire, how they relate to it, what sort of image it has for them.

      Do people want fire that can be fitted nasally?

      If you're so clever, you tell us what color fire should be.

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    3. Re:Wood IS fuel by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      being solid, can't be used in any of the myriad applications that require liquid or gaseous fuel

      That's not a significant problem for use, it's much more of an issue for transport. Gas and oil can be transported long distances through pipes, with just the occasional pump along the way to give it a boost. Wood has to be stacked onto trucks and then transported along roads or railways. You can't just turn on a tap in a house and have wood come out, so everyone needs a wood shed or equivalent to store it, taking up a lot of space.

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  4. Gasification by do_be_jack · · Score: 5, Interesting

    combine gasification generators with a nitrogen fixing energy rich wood like Robina pseudoacacia,which grows back faster and makes surrounding plants grow better after it is cut, planted around fruit trees and other useful species and then the act of harvesting wood makes plants grow and the act of generating electricity makes fertilizer. With the right generator http://www.cnet.com/news/carbo... there is only a positive environmental impact to the harvesting and generating of energy which when used in conjunction with a food/medicine forest http://www.beaconfoodforest.or... you have good hunting beautiful landscape and no reason to leave home. There are food forests around which are over 2000 years old still going and no one knows who planted them.

  5. So why use trees? by msobkow · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If all you want is the cellulose and fiber, hemp produces paper-quality fiber at nearly 4 times the rate per acre/year as even poplar trees do.

    Oh, right. Gotta keep all those woodchippers employed. :(

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    1. Re:So why use trees? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you actually read TFA you will find that they have succeeded in a trial using poplar trees, but they are now working on corn that has the modified lignin.

      And while you wonder about hemp, I wonder about algae. Algae doesn't bother to produce support structures and you can grow a "crop" in ten days rather than a year. We need to improve our technologies for "bioreactors" (I think they tend to get plugged up) and we need to improve the process for converting algae to fuel (algae is wet and it has a high energy cost to remove the water as part of making a fuel).

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algae_fuel

      I wonder if thermal depolymerization can be used to convert algae to fuel?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_depolymerization

      Alas, TDP doesn't seem to have worked out as well as hoped. I remember reading excited news stories about offal being turned into clean diesel, but the company that tried it lost money and shut down.

    2. Re:So why use trees? by goombah99 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      algae has many great aspect. It's achilles heels are 1) separation is very expensive 2) it's hard to get enough C02 into the water to do this at scale 3) it can get infected easily 3) inhomgenous growth requires active stiring or other tricks to bring a pond to harvest all at the same time 4) it's not that fast to grow-- poplars and switch grass are more efficient bio mass producers. Ethanol can be made from waste products too.

      The upside of algae is that were starting to learn how to use some of it's byproducts and this offsets the costs. and incremental progress is being made on all these aspects. We haven't been growing algae as long as plants so there's potential headroom to grow. It can grow in seawater. lipids are better fuel than alchohol. And finally it's potentially less energetically expensive to sperarate lipids from water than alchohol from water. That step accounts for something like 1/3 of the cost of ethanol.

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    3. Re:So why use trees? by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      And while you wonder about hemp, I wonder about algae. Algae doesn't bother to produce support structures and you can grow a "crop" in ten days rather than a year.

      And while you wonder about algae I recognize that burning things is bad, and wonder about improving the efficiency of extracting energy directly from the sunlight itself.

    4. Re:So why use trees? by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Storage is a problem with sunlight. Burnable fuels do not have that problem.

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  6. Evolving parasites. by quantaman · · Score: 3, Insightful

    My gut says the reason it's so hard to deal with the current form of ligin is parasites would have evolved to eat anything simpler. Do they have any strategy for preventing parasites from finding the trick to breaking down the ligin in these modified trees?

    Either way it does sounds pretty cool.

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    1. Re:Evolving parasites. by Neil+Boekend · · Score: 2

      That is one of the things that is safe to test in the field. Maybe it isn't a problem at all, and if it is then the problem solves itself.

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  7. Why corn? by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ralph says his team is already working to insert zip-lignins into corn plants.

    I know we grow a lot of corn, but why not insert the gene into kudzu or some other fast growing weed that thrives on marginal land with low fertilizer inputs?
    It's not like we don't already have a use for every part of the corn plant.

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    1. Re:Why corn? by ruir · · Score: 2

      Corn plantation is heavily paid with subsidies...

  8. Your mission Jim, should you choose to accept it. by mjwx · · Score: 3, Funny

    This tree will self destruct in 5 seconds.

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  9. Mother of all wildfires by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So, once this genetic defect - I mean modification - crosses the line and goes wild (although Monsanto tells us it never happens), how fast and hot will those forests burn?

  10. Re:Just when the American trees are under attack . by mjwx · · Score: 4, Funny

    Which is exactly why the US need 'Splodin trees.

    2nd Amendment Rights

    Well armed forest, take that treehuggers.

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  11. Wood for biofuels? Slow and wasteful. by TrentTheThief · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Using wood to create BioFuels is extremely wasteful of both time and material.

    Use hemp instead. You'll get two huge crops per year. And it's a crop made of easy-to-process plant material. No lignin involved. Just process the green matter.

  12. Save the trees? by tp1024 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Erm, wasn't there something the greenies used to say? Like save the trees? Protect the forests? Leave room for nature?

    Well, obviously I must have been hallucinating all the ways through the 90ies. And don't worry, I'll see a psychiatrist about this decade-long delusion at once. But let's pretend there had been an environmental movement in the second half of the last century, when people said that there is some inherent value in nature itself. Wouldn't you think that people in this movement would have been somewhat upset about the prospect of converting huge tracts of land that used be called "forests" into industrial fuel plantations? Well, I for one would imagine they'd be, but they are not.

    Hence my suspicion that I was merely hallucinating. If I don't respond, I guess I stuck in comfy happy white room.

    1. Re:Save the trees? by timeOday · · Score: 2

      You are muddling together millions of people with a bunch of different motivations and ideas.

  13. Tough part by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 2

    The toughest part is to make sure they don't scream as they destruct; the licensing fees would be too expensive.

    1. Re:Tough part by Snard · · Score: 4, Funny

      The toughest part is to make sure they don't scream as they destruct; the licensing fees would be too expensive.

      Not to worry, there will probably be no one there to hear it, so it won't make any noise.

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  14. Re:Use trees as carbon sinks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    And in millions of years, the unused mine will be full of oil! This plan is like win-win-win

  15. Re:Just when the American trees are under attack . by h5inz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Whether science or not science, who cares. The Taco Cowboy's comment is just stupid. What is it exactly what he is worried about? First of all they will self destruct under processing conditions. Will the modified poplars take over the world and then mutate to self destruct without assistance or will these self-destruction genes drift to other subspecies of poplars? The self destruction, if it happened without any processing, would not be a feature that made a tree fit for survival, common sense says - so these genes wouldn't prevail anyway then.