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The New 'One Microsoft' Is Finally Poised For the Future

redletterdave writes: "The stodgy old enterprise company whose former CEO once called open source Linux a 'cancer' is gone. So is its notorious tendency to keep developers and consumers within its walled gardens. The 'One Microsoft' goal that looked like more gaseous corporate rhetoric upon its debut last summer now is instead much closer to actual reality. No longer are there different kernels for Windows 8, Windows Phone or Windows RT it's now all just One Windows. As goes the Windows kernel, so goes the entire company. Microsoft finally appears to have aimed all its guns outside the company rather than at internal rivals. Now it needs to rebuild its empire upon this new reality."

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  1. Trolling? by CraigCruden · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They have a long way to go, one user interface for all idioms is kinda stupid..... that is why they are getting all the bad press with Windows 8.

    1. Re:Trolling? by bhcompy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rather than one interface, they should just enforce what they did ages ago and maintain a consistent style guide(until they broke it with things like ribbons). The GUI can vary, but keep the flow, terminology, and the look as similar as possible.

    2. Re:Trolling? by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a large monitor and I sit 2 arms lengths away,

      Evidently, Microsoft's UI was designed for users with longer arms. The ones that drag on the ground when they walk.

      OK, gotta go now. [Ducking and running]

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  2. Good for devs. by digsbo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One thing this should help with is not making devs afraid to adopt a particular technology from MS, which is later trashed due to it having won a political, rather than technical, battle for promotion. For example, WCF was touted as the only way to do XML/HTTP services replacing the binary remoting protocol for several years, and then WebAPI replaced it. WCF devs are now irritated. Same with SilverLight, though WAY worse - "this is THE platform for Windows 8!", then, "Uh, not really.". I get the sense these teams have to compete for their platform to get noticed and marketed, instead of collaborate and take the advantages from two competing platforms.

  3. doubt it by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The stodgy old enterprise company whose former CEO once called open source Linux a 'cancer' is gone. So is its notorious tendency to keep developers and consumers within its walled gardens.

    I doubt it.

    "If you want to use a Microsoft app, you can find it on whatever platform or device you are using, not just on Windows. Running behind everything is Microsoft’s Azure cloud and services."

    That sounds more like it, you can have any platform you want, as long as it's running on Microsoft. Seriously, who do they even think they are fooling? It' sounds like an employee pep meeting.

    "Time will tell if Microsoft’s overtures to the open source community are a real and altruistic form of doing business"

    They aren't altruistic. If you think they are, I am just flabbergasted.

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    1. Re:doubt it by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Informative

      How's that? The MS servers are already better in that they've never been wide-open with Heartbleed like Linux servers are.

      This one is ten times worse than Heartbleed

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  4. A possum playing possum by bazmail · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I still dont' trust MS. Once they start getting back large market share the old anti competitive stifling old fart of a company will emerge from behind the mask again.

    They need to just continue to wither away. The software industry has never been as vibrant or innovative as the last few years when MS was down.

    1. Re:A possum playing possum by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This would happen to any group that gains market control.
      IBM, Microsoft, Apple...

      If a Linux distribution somehow got a large foothold in the market, they will find a way to keep their dominance. Having a particular fork of the kernel, a distribution system that is a bit different, rename some folders around. Add a closed source install tool or Windows manager....

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    2. Re:A possum playing possum by sconeu · · Score: 5, Informative

      Excuse me????? IBM never wielded or abused the kind of power that MS had????

      Do you recall ever hearing ANYTHING about a 13 year antitrust trial? Or do you know the origin of the term "FUD"?

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  5. Godwin's law. by RyuuzakiTetsuya · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ein Windows Ein SDK Ein...

    err sorry.

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  6. Re:I am so glad by HerculesMO · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It is a good case however, for you to not really be in the position to speak from knowledge on the subject. You've hated MS for years, and adding your two cents about "yea I went to Linux" over ten years ago seems about par for the course of Slashdot angry posts about Microsoft.

    It's a tool. You use it in the right place, at the right time. When you get religion about a tool, then it tends to be a problem. MS or not.

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  7. That's not the only thing that's gone... by lord_mike · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Their motto of "Developers, Developers, Developers" also disappeared with Ballmer's exit. Everything is now getting locked down to the max in their attempt to be like Apple. What makes it worse is that they don't seem to have a direction as far as application development goes. They were strongly pushing portable .NET when there was no need for cross platform applications, but as soon as ARM gets into their mix of products, they drop that strategy and go with a native code strategy. It's all mixed up and extremely confusing. Their complete lack of direction is certainly not welcoming to developers trying to figure out how they should target the Windows platform, and that doesn't even take into account their confusion on user interfaces as well.

    Microsoft's previous success was based on offering very cheap products that were friendly to developers. Yeah, their products were buggy and unfinished, but they were a bargain, and you could always "embrace and extend" them as you saw fit. Now, they are trying to market themselves as a premium luxury product like Apple (at least the consumer end) and walling the garden as much as possible. They're locking down the hardware, too, and alienating their hardware partners, who were the greatest drivers of their previous success. It's a big change. Can they do it? Hyundai managed to convert themselves from being a discount car manufacturer to a more upscale brand, but Hyundai didn't have the problem with their brand reputation that Microsoft has. Microsoft has made cheap crap for so long, I don't see how they manage to convince everyone that they are now an "upscale" high quality manufacturer of products and services.

    1. Re:That's not the only thing that's gone... by lord_mike · · Score: 3, Informative

      .NET seems to live in a zombie state, not really dead, but not really alive, either. They haven't killed it, but they aren't going to expand on it, either. Who knows where things really stand. The RT strategy seems to be in constant flux, too.

    2. Re:That's not the only thing that's gone... by gbjbaanb · · Score: 4, Insightful

      .NET is not dead - there are far too many developers who are unable to code in anything else. They won't give it up easily.

  8. Welcome to 2004 by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft: Yesterday's Technology Next Week

    They always reminded me of Yoyodyne Industries from Buckaroo Banzai, where the future begins tomorrow.

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  9. Walled gardens??? by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So is its notorious tendency to keep developers and consumers within its walled gardens.

    What on earth are you talking about? Windows 8 is all about forcing people to get software from Microsoft's store. That's exactly opposite of leaving behind walled gardens.

  10. Poised for the past by Tough+Love · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nothing about Microsoft has changed except its PR spin. It remains the same morally bankrupt skofflaw monopolist it has always been. Puff piece.

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  11. Re:One Kernel? What Does That Mean? by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think you have much of an idea of what a kernel is.

    Just because you have the same kernel does not mean that you can run the same applications.

  12. Re:One Kernel? What Does That Mean? by thevirtualcat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yes, it's true. They run the same kernel.

    But no, you can't run Windows applications on a Windows RT or Windows Phone device.

    iOS runs the same kernel as Mac OS X, but you can't run OS X applications on iOS.
    Android uses the Linux kernel, but you can't run Linux Desktop applications on Android. (At least, not without a lot of work adding the needed libraries and recompiling everything for ARM.)

    "Same kernel" doesn't mean "all the applications are interoperable."

  13. Re:I am so glad by jones_supa · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's a tool. You use it in the right place, at the right time. When you get religion about a tool, then it tends to be a problem. MS or not.

    This. Many people seem to think that Linux and OSS is some holy water which should be applied everywhere possible to automatically make things great. And just like with a religion, friends and families must be converted.

  14. People sure do like to beat the cancer thing by Daniel+Hoffmann · · Score: 3, Interesting

    But GPL is indeed cancerous, intentionally so. Interacting with GPL code is a mine field if you don't want to GPL your code as well, there was no lie in that.

    1. Re:People sure do like to beat the cancer thing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you want to use GPLed code but not GPL your application, you are the problem!

    2. Re:People sure do like to beat the cancer thing by Uecker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you "interact" (I assume you mean copy and re-distribute) with proprietary code is it even more a mine field, because if you copy proprietay code in your project without an explicit license which allows this you cannot do anything anymore (not even use it yourself - which the GPL allows). So if the GPL is cancerous, proprietary code is instant death.

  15. One too many? by slapout · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would have thought they'd want a kernel optimized for small devices driving the phones and a different one for desktops. Maybe have them implement the same API. But isn't the kernel something you'd want optimized for the device family?

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  16. Re:I am so glad by JohnFen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Linux is no panacea. It is, however, a completely reasonable alternative for those who don't like Windows.

  17. I call BS by benjymouse · · Score: 3, Informative

    The links have long disappeared due to DCMA takedowns.....

    No they haven't. You just do not want slashdot readers to read them, because they do not say what you claim.

    http://www.internetnews.com/de...

    Quote from that article:

    One technology enthusiast at Web site kuro5shin noted many of the hacks (additions) to the code base included some colorful comments and creative use of adjectives in noting programming changes.

    In this case, the reviewer concluded the code was generally "excellent." But he also noted the many additions to the Windows code to be almost universally compatible with previous Windows versions. And third-party software has "clearly come at a cost, both in developer-sweat and the elegance (and hence stability and maintainability) of the code."

    GP is correct, those who took a look at it indeed came away with the impression that it was quite pristine.

    You, OTOH, are just lying.

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  18. Marketspeak by NoKaOi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    95% of the article has no substance and is clearly a bunch of marketspeak, though it's not clear who the marketspeak is targeted at. Users? They're not gonna care about any of it because it's gonna make sense or doesn't affect them. Shareholders? Maybe.

    There's really only two bits that seem to mean anything:

    No longer are there different kernels for Windows 8, Windows Phone or Windows RT it's now all just One Windows.

    That's cool, and it actually means something. But do users care about this? Do investors care about this? How many Apple users know or care that Mac OS, iPhone, and Apple TV all share the same kernel? In general neither users nor investors know what a kernel is.

    If you want to use a Microsoft app, you can find it on whatever platform or device you are using, not just on Windows.

    That's means something too, but....are you freakin' kidding me? So if I'm making an Windows app, I'm required to design it to work well on a desktop, tablet, phone, and gaming console? What if it's an awesome app that sucks on a little phone screen? What if it's an awesome app that works well on a touchscreen but sucks with a mouse? What if it's awesome with a keyboard and mouse and sucks on a touchscreen? You get the idea...this is the whole thing they're trying to do with Windows 8 and surface and they're failing to hear users screaming at the top of their lungs DO NOT WANT.