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The Best Parking Apps You've Never Heard Of and Why You Haven't

Bennett Haselton writes "If you read no further, use either the BestParking or ParkMe app to search all nearby parking garages for the cheapest spot, based on the time you're arriving and leaving. I'm interested in the question of why so few people know about these apps, how is it that they've been partially crowded out by other 'parking apps' that are much less useful, and why our marketplace for ideas and intellectual properly is still so inefficient." Read below to see what Bennett has to say.

I casually asked a couple of my friends in Seattle -- where street parking is often unavailable, and parking garages vary widely in price -- if they'd ever heard of an app that would let them find the cheapest available parking garage, based on the time they wanted to enter and the time they planned on leaving. (Street parking is usually cheaper if you can find it, but the app would be useful for times that you can't find any.) Most of my friends said that they'd never heard of such an app, but they'd definitely use one if it existed. I also looked up parking apps on Google but the small subset that I randomly tried out, didn't do what I needed. So I thought about writing a "Somebody-with-more-time-than-me-should-go-and-do-this-thing" article, similar to the ride-swapping piece, when one of my friends casually mentioned the BestParking app.

Well, I tried it and it worked. (Lest I be accused of undue favoritism, ParkMe does the same thing just as well, although I didn't find it until later.) In both apps, you bring up a map centered on your current location, or scroll the map to where you plan on looking for parking later. You enter the time that you'll be entering and leaving, and the app shows a map with each parking garage represented by an icon showing the dollar amount that it will cost to park for that time. Without these apps, comparing rates is an annoyingly complex process to do by hand, in a crowded city like Seattle with many garages with different rates (and different times when their "evening rates" kick in -- usually 5 PM, but ranging from 4 to 7 PM), but the apps factor all of that in to give you the cheapest garage for the given time range. You can tap the individual garage icons for more information (if you plan on returning by 11 PM but you're not sure, you'd probably prefer a 24-hour garage instead of one that locks up at midnight). Also, if you're sitting at your computer and you already know the neighborhood where you'll be parking later, you can do the same search on each of their websites. (Although if you are on your phone, please don't do this from a moving car, duh. In Seattle there are plenty of 3-minute spots where you can pull over and do a search.)

So, I've been quite happy with both apps -- but I thought it was interesting that almost none of my friends had ever heard of them. I threw a quick survey up on Amazon's Mechanical Turk website, which I've used before for crowdsourced surveys and other experiments. I polled 50 people, offering them 25 cents apiece to answer these questions:

Would you use these apps? Section A: Parking garage app

Suppose a website and/or smartphone app existed where you could specify a neighborhood of a city, and enter a start and end time for when you wanted to park, and the app would automatically find the cheapest parking garage for that time range (assuming its too hard to find street parking).

1. Are you aware of any such apps/websites that already exist? If yes, whats the name of the app? (No need to do a web search -- only answer "Yes" if you already know of such an app or website.)

2. Would you use such an app/website if it existed? (Or, if youre aware of such an app that already exists, do you use it?)

Yes/No Section B: Spare room rental app

Suppose a website and/or smartphone app existed where you could list a room in your house as a temporary rental, and visitors to your city could rent it out for a single night, or more.

3. Are you aware of any such apps/websites that already exist? If yes, whats the name of the app? (No need to do a web search -- only answer "Yes" if you already know of such an app or website.)

4. Would you use such an app/website if it existed? (Or, if youre aware of such an app that already exists, do you use it?)

Yes/No

The second section, about a spare room rental app, was thrown in as a control in the experiment -- I knew the answer to that question (AirBnB), and I thought a large portion of the survey-takers would too, so I wanted to make sure they weren't just filling out the survey with blow-off answers to get the 25 cents as fast as possible.

Of the 50 people who filled out the survey, 14 of them said they had heard of using AirBnB, Couchsurfing, or Craigslist for the purpose of renting out a room or finding one to rent (almost all of them mentioned AirBnB specifically). But of the same 50 respondents, only two of them mentioned any parking apps that they had heard of, and only one of them mentioned one of the two that I'd found which actually worked. (The other person mentioned an app called ParkWhiz, which, when I tested it out, only displayed one $17 parking garage in a neighborhood where I know of several $5 garages, which BestParking and ParkMe did list correctly.)

This seems to confirm the anecdotal evidence from my survey of my Seattle friends -- there is a great deficiency in awareness of these apps, relative to how useful people would find them if they knew about them.

So how is it that people are finding -- or not finding -- these apps? In a Google search for "parking app", the first result was an ad for ParkWhiz. BestParking and ParkMe did show up in the results, but so did another one called Parker, as well as a Mashable article by Kate Freeman listing "7 City Parking Apps to Save You Time, Money and Gas". Of the apps listed in the article, the only city-specific one that worked in Seattle (PrimoSpot) has been discontinued, and of the non-city-specific ones, only Parker is still around. (The article doesn't even mention BestParking or ParkMe, although I don't know if they existed when it was written.) Finally, a friend in my survey told me about an app called Parkopedia, which has over 100,000 downloads on Google Play (the same as BestParking, and more than ParkMe).

So even if it did occur to you to look for a parking-garage-finding app, the problem is that if you randomly picked one of the five most popular parking apps (BestParking, Parker, ParkMe, Parkopedia, and ParkWhiz), you might accidentally pick one of the three out of five that is a fail:

  • ParkWhiz, as noted above, only showed one $17 garage in a neighborhood full of other, cheaper garages.

  • Both ParkMe and Parkopedia display their results as a map with an icon marking each parking garage -- but with no price information. Simply having a map of parking garage locations isn't too useful, since you could get that by searching Google Maps for "parking" anyway. In both apps, you can click on parking garage icons to bring up a window showing their rates, but in Parker most of the listed garages just said "Contact facility for current rates". Parkopedia did usually display the rates for different garages -- but it's a pain to click on each of a dozen parking garage icons looking for the cheapest one. A typical area of downtown Seattle will have one garage where you can park for $5 for the evening, surrounded by garages where parking costs $10 or more, but Parkopedia doesn't make it easy to find it. And neither app lets you specify a start and end time for your parking so that you can find the cheapest garage for that time range.

So it seems odd that according to the Google Play store, Parkopedia has more downloads than ParkMe (100,000+ vs 50,000+), even though ParkMe seems a lot more useful. Meanwhile ParkWhiz, the one that found only one overpriced parking garage in a neighborhood full of cheaper ones, has fewer downloads but a slightly higher star rating in the app store than ParkMe. Of course in my parking-app survey of friends and Mechanical Turk users, the far-and-a-way winner was simply not knowing that any of these apps existed at all.

And here's why it matters to you even if you ride a granola-powered bike to work: I think this is a confirming instance of what I've been arguing for years, that the marketplace for ideas, inventions, and intellectual property is far less efficient than most people think it is. Every day a huge amount of human capital is squandered by people trying to jostle their competitors out of Google search results, or even just trying to raise the capital to advertise their products to people who would find them extremely useful, but will never find out about it if the venture capitalists don't come through with the money to advertise it. All of that is time and effort that could have instead gone towards making the products better.

I've suggested an algorithm based on "random-sample voting" as an antidote to some of these market inefficiencies, such as stopping people from buying votes on Digg, promoting the best ideas on Obama's "We The People" petition website, or even deciding whether J.K. Rowling is the world's greatest author or just lucky. Basically, in each scenario, the competing entities -- whether apps, or songs, or ideas for improving U.S. government policy -- would be rated by a sufficiently large random sample of qualified raters. ("Qualified raters" might mean economists in the case of the White House policy-petition website, or it might mean music consumers in the case of an algorithm to find the best new songs.) Each entity would receive an average rating from those raters, and then the entities with the highest average rating would be the ones promoted to the widest audience (at the top of Google search results, for example). It sounds deceptively simple, but it's far less amenable to "gaming the system", because you can't rope in your friends to vote for your app, or pay voters to rate you highly on Digg. The only way to win in this system is to make your song, idea, or app, the best that it can be -- which means your human capital is being channeled productively, instead of being wasted hiring an SEO company to try and knock your competition out of the top spot on Google.

If competition between parking apps worked this way, then all the current users of Parker, ParkWhiz and Parkopedia, would switch to BestParking and ParkMe, saving themselves a lot of hassle in the process, and those second-rate apps would have never even gotten on the ground unless they got their act together and implemented the same features. More broadly, if competition in the marketplace of ideas worked this way, then there wouldn't be so many users who really wish they could have an app like this, without realizing that the apps exist!

One striking thing about looking at a map of downtown parking garages, is how wildly the rates vary from each other, with $15 garages situated right next to the $5 ones. In theory, in a competitive marketplace, such rates should stabilize around a single price, for goods that are roughly comparable. But the $10 lots do still manage to get some customers who don't know any better, because it's just not practical to criss-cross a grid of several dozen city blocks looking for the cheapest garage. BestParking and ParkMe help people deal with this inefficient marketplace. So it's ironic that they're being held back by a marketplace for ideas that operates just as inefficiently in its own way.

163 comments

  1. Bicycle! And motorcycle. by ElectraFlarefire · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Because when I have to go somewhere that parking is tricky, I'm always on two wheels. And there's always somewhere to park it.
    Plus it's often quicker in busy cities, cheaper, gets you fit(If you don't have an engine) and above all, is fun!

    1. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Anrego · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You got modded down but it's a good general point.

      If I'm going somewhere that parking is going to be an issue, I take a bus or a cab down. It's not worth the aggravation and cost of trying to find a spot. I imagine a lot of geeks fall into a similar behaviour.

    2. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by coolsnowmen · · Score: 1

      I wish. A bicycle is not feasible for me, and a motorcycle is too dangerous in my area.

    3. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by CubicleZombie · · Score: 1

      It always cost me the same as a car to park a motorcycle in a parking garage. Even when I'd tuck it into a spot a car wouldn't fit in, just to be nice.

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    4. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by gmclapp · · Score: 1

      Motorcycles are too dangerous in all areas if you're being honest with yourself. But, totally worth it. If I gotta go, I wanna go in a fiery wreck! I'm being sarcastic, but I love motorcycling.

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    5. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by MrNaz · · Score: 4, Funny

      When I want to go somewhere and it's too much trouble, I make procrastinate until it's too late to make it to whatever appointment I was going for, and that way I don't even have the bother of traveling anywhere at all.

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    6. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by jeffmeden · · Score: 4, Funny

      When I want to go somewhere and it's too much trouble, I make procrastinate until it's too late to make it to whatever appointment I was going for, and that way I don't even have the bother of traveling anywhere at all.

      instead of make procrastinate, for your next appointment you should try make clean; make depmod; make procrastinate; make install; make clean. Its way more efficient.

    7. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by MrNaz · · Score: 1

      Haha, I was typing "make excuses to procrastinate" and didn't delete enough words when revising the post.

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    8. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 2

      Because when I have to go somewhere that parking is tricky, I'm always on two wheels. And there's always somewhere to park it.
      Plus it's often quicker in busy cities, cheaper, gets you fit(If you don't have an engine) and above all, is fun!

      "And here's why it matters to you even if you ride a granola-powered bike to work: I think this is a confirming instance of what I've been arguing for years, that the marketplace for ideas, inventions, and intellectual property is far less efficient than most people think it is."

      This isn't about parking, except as an example of the problem.

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    9. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just don't go into the city in the first place. There's plenty for me to do out here in the suburbs, mostly with free parking.

    10. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Funny

      instead of make procrastinate, for your next appointment you should try make clean; make depmod; make procrastinate; make install; make clean. Its way more efficient.

      Bah, make procrastinate does all of the same things eventually.

      Well, most of them anyway. :-P

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    11. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by langelgjm · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised you even find garages that let you in. Most garages around me (and even just lots) specifically say no motorcycles. I think it's liability fears about the gate coming down on your head or something.

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    12. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by mlts · · Score: 1

      Similar dilemma. A regular bicycle is unfeasible due to distance. Hopping a bus with a bike is iffish, since there are only two bike spaces in the rack per bus that shows up every hour... and assuming a slot got made free, it would be a battle of speed with others. Which leaves folding bikes and having to lug a Brompton into and out of a building.

      Even if you find a space, the parking meters are kiosks on every block, and you -will- get a ticket between the time you walk to the kiosk, get the ticket printed out, and come back to the vehicle to put it on.

      So, the easiest thing to do is hail a taxi and go from there.

    13. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Suki+I · · Score: 2

      You got modded down but it's a good general point.

      If I'm going somewhere that parking is going to be an issue, I take a bus or a cab down. It's not worth the aggravation and cost of trying to find a spot. I imagine a lot of geeks fall into a similar behaviour.

      I wish I had that option. I guess I could make it an option, but I have just to much stuff I have to bring with me when I leave the confines of the office and do my "real job" out with the clients along the eastern seaboard. Another issue is that I drive a pretty big pickup that my Beloved Fiance made just for me, and it holds everything with plenty of spare room too.
       
      On the issue by the submitter, how on earth is this true? how is it that they've been partially crowded out by other 'parking apps' that are much less useful, and why our marketplace for ideas and intellectual properly is still so inefficient. He got his favorite apps advertised on one of the highest traffic sites on the internet all for the cost of his time to type, copy and paste.

    14. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by cheesybagel · · Score: 1

      Is this 'news' story some sort of astroturfing campaign for these applications or what?

      You might as well ask why there are differences in price in any other market.

    15. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by thewolfkin · · Score: 0

      that works one time for this one situation. That doesn't help every other useful app we've never heard of. They can't all get well written writeups on /. and then just climb ranks that way.

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    16. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by houghi · · Score: 1

      In Europe many cities have a 'parking route' that will let you drive from parking to parking and they even often indicate how many places are available.
      So the use of an app to find a free place is less urgent.
      Also public transportation is pretty good in most places.

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    17. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      # make procrastinate
      This may result in something being accomplished. Are you sure?(y,N)
      Error, you must delay 15 seconds before selecting yes or No
      This may result in something being accomplished. Are you sure?(y,N)
      You have selected "yes". Are you certain?(y,N)
      Error, you must delay 15 seconds before selecting yes or No
      This may result in something being accomplished. Are you sure?(y,N)
      You have selected "yes". Are you certain?(y,N)
      You have twice selected "yes", yet there are dishes in the sink, and tostitos and salsa in the cupboard. Looking after either of those is much more of an accomplishment, don't you think?(Y,n)
      Error, you took to long to answer, exiting
      #

    18. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      that works one time for this one situation. That doesn't help every other useful app we've never heard of. They can't all get well written writeups on /. and then just climb ranks that way.

      Yes, we should form a People's Committee, take some surveys, and have only those softwares deemed worthy by The People be promoted. Keep the Evil Corporations out of it, only government mandated advertising allowed. That will fix everything. Straight out of Zeitgeist III.

    19. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I'll try that tomorrow.

    20. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      "Free parking" just means the cost is passed on to you a little less transparently.

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    21. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by operagost · · Score: 0

      ... and you don't even own a TV, either. I get it.

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    22. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by BradMajors · · Score: 1

      You should never put off till later something that you can put off altogether.

    23. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you apply the same lateral thinking to other kinds of problems?

      A: "Hey, we need some kind of support structure to hold up this construction, but there's no good index of the best materials and manufacturers."

      B: "Check it out, I found the best apps for searching for building supports."

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    24. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, 'Free parking' means the cost is passed on to everyone, not just you; subtle difference there dude. Parking meters, on the other hand, are devices for reserving parking spaces for the middle and upper classes.

    25. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by Ichijo · · Score: 1

      And anyone who needs to park there only occasionally.

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    26. Re:Bicycle! And motorcycle. by rioki · · Score: 1

      Also public transportation is pretty good in most places.

      If you come from further away: Park & Ride FTW!

  2. Gotta be kidding me by Anrego · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is filler spot on daytime tv news sad.

    1. Re:Gotta be kidding me by BasilBrush · · Score: 2

      The TL;DR version is that Google still isn't very good. It favours heavily SEOed results over quality results. There is no substitute for curation or polling by trusted people.

    2. Re:Gotta be kidding me by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Even TFS was tl;dr. It's completely obvious too - the time you waste messing around with the app, which requires foreknowledge of when you will finish your shopping/eating to work, is not worth it. Most people would rather just park, maybe pay a fraction more but not have to wait in a queue or walk further, and get on with their lives.

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    3. Re:Gotta be kidding me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The real tl;dr version is that some guy tried some parking apps, and a few worked well for him, at a certain location in Seattle, and a few didn't.

      He's puzzled why some of the apps that didn't work well for him have higher user ratings than some that worked better for him.

      Then he goes off on a completely unrelated tangent about market efficiency, when really all he needs to do is look up the word "subjectivity".

  3. tl;dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Why does anybody read anything by Bennett?

    1. Re:tl;dr by atwupack · · Score: 1

      And why this post currently rated informative?

    2. Re:tl;dr by eepok · · Score: 1

      Because rageful pseudo-alpha nerds found a target and are ganging up.

  4. Fill your head with crap by concealment · · Score: 2

    Bennett, I like all of your stuff and this is well-written but...

    These apps are just going to increase mass neurosis. We don't need our heads filled with this crap. We need to spend more time thinking about important issues, not the trivia.

    "Western man is externalizing himself with gadgets" - William S. Burroughs

    1. Re:Fill your head with crap by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

      Bennett, I like all of your stuff and this is well-written but...

      Troll! Get him, boys!

      These apps are just going to increase mass neurosis. We don't need our heads filled with this crap. We need to spend more time thinking about important issues, not the trivia.

      I think the more important issue is the general inefficiency in the marketplace for apps (as well as ideas and intellectual property in general). That was my main point. I wouldn't have written the article just to tell people about the parking apps, although I hope some people find that useful.

    2. Re:Fill your head with crap by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Huh? This is just an example of a branch of price comparison app. At worst it will save the user money by guiding him to the best deals. At best, if enough people use them, it will drive prices down. Both these outcomes are good and useful things.

      There are plenty of crap app categories. This isn't one of them.

    3. Re:Fill your head with crap by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      Bennett, I like all of your stuff and this is well-written but...

      Troll! Get him, boys!

      These apps are just going to increase mass neurosis. We don't need our heads filled with this crap. We need to spend more time thinking about important issues, not the trivia.

      I think the more important issue is the general inefficiency in the marketplace for apps (as well as ideas and intellectual property in general). That was my main point. I wouldn't have written the article just to tell people about the parking apps, although I hope some people find that useful.

      If that's the issue then why wouldn't you (serious question, not asking rhetorically i promise) gin up a Turk quiz about how app markets are perceived and participated in? It seems like you already knew the answer to "does anyone know about all these cool parking spot apps?" so just get on with the bigger question. The one I have spent a lot of time pondering (non-scientifically) is what could an app store possibly offer by having >1,000,000 apps? Or even >500,000 apps?

      At some point ( i would guess its somewhere down around the 10,000 mark) there has to be a diminishing return on the quality of the apps in the store, and I absolutely never understood why advertising "our store has a zillion apps! yay us! come buy our shiny! pick from a zillion apps, like you will ever have a chance to try even a tenth of a percent of them!!!" was ever thought of as effective.

    4. Re:Fill your head with crap by tomlouie · · Score: 5, Insightful

      > I think the more important issue is the general inefficiency in the marketplace for apps (as well as ideas and intellectual property in general).

      Bennett, you just summarized your 2,000+ word textwall into a single 24 word sentence. Was that so hard? Seriously, a single summary sentence at the start of your submissions would be greatly appreciated.

    5. Re:Fill your head with crap by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      He's actually providing an editorial service for millions of other people. Conservatively, he freed up a million people to spend 5 minutes thinking about important issues.

      That's just under 10 years of total time they can think about important issues.

      And that's ignoring the time/money savings resulting from those who select the app.

      He's justified a significant portion of his existence with just the one post.

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    6. Re:Fill your head with crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You believe a million people will read this? You're joking, right?

    7. Re:Fill your head with crap by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      From a simple analysis I have a couple of answers. One: It's marketing! Our laptop has more ram, or faster Mhz, or shinier screen, on whatever. Just like all the bullet points for a software package, even though most of them don't matter or are basic functions that don't even deserve to be pointed out. So saying the market place has millions of apps sounds better than saying it has thousands. Two: If only one percent of the apps are any good you are more likely to find one that does what you want and is a good one from a market of 1,000,000+ over a market that has only 100,000. Three: It's not it Apple, Google, or Microsoft's benefit to turn away developers who want to pay them money for a developers licence. The more the merrier.

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    8. Re:Fill your head with crap by shitzu · · Score: 1

      Let us say this together - is is an Advertisement. I usually do not find myself in awe of how much research time advertisements "save" me.

    9. Re:Fill your head with crap by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      I think the more important issue is the general inefficiency in the marketplace for apps

      If that was the important issue then you should have led with that and used the parking app issue as support for whatever conclusion you wanted to come to, instead of droning on and on and on about how nobody knows about parking apps for Seattle and how bad some of them are and how you think people on some survey website are your friends, and only then writing a tiny bit about "the more important issue".

      By the way, you keep talking about parking apps finding garages, but you don't consider "is there a space there", and you repeatedly say that garages are important only if "it's hard to find on-street". You don't know the on-street is filled until you get there and the time you save going straight to a garage instead of wandering the street looking for cheaper parking is worth something. And if the garage you pin your hopes on doesn't have any open spaces, you're screwed anyway.

    10. Re:Fill your head with crap by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

      The second sentence is "I'm interested in the question of why so few people know about these apps, how is it that they've been partially crowded out by other 'parking apps' that are much less useful, and why our marketplace for ideas and intellectual properly is still so inefficient." That's the conclusion; the example with the parking apps is the supporting argument. (I never called the online survey takers my "friends"; I said that I did two surveys, an informal poll of my friends and then a survey on Mechanical Turk.)

      Agreed, the app should tell you if a garage is full. I don't know how easy it would be for an app developer to incorporate that though.

      How often are garages full, anyway? I hardly ever see them full in Seattle, and I suspect the reason is that if a garage frequently fills up to capacity at any recurring time or under any foreseeable circumstance, the garage owner will realize that they can raise the price during that time or under that circumstance, and the garage will go back to not usually being full.

    11. Re:Fill your head with crap by bennetthaselton · · Score: 2

      That's the conclusion. The article is the argument to support the conclusion.

      There is a summary at the top: "If you read no further, use either the BestParking or ParkMe app to search all nearby parking garages for the cheapest spot, based on the time you're arriving and leaving. I'm interested in the question of why so few people know about these apps, how is it that they've been partially crowded out by other 'parking apps' that are much less useful, and why our marketplace for ideas and intellectual properly is still so inefficient."

      That's two sentences, not a single sentence. Sorry.

    12. Re:Fill your head with crap by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

      Interesting idea -- what kind of questions did you have in mind for a survey like that?

      Part of my point was that people don't realize how inefficient the marketplace for ideas (and intellectual property generally) actually is, so I'm not sure what a survey should ask if I'm writing about a problem people aren't even aware of.

    13. Re:Fill your head with crap by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Seriously? I think a million is conservative. The number of people who will read the header article is more likely to be closer to 4 million.

      From the wiki:

      In 2012, Slashdot had around 3.7 million unique visitors per month and received over 5300 comments per day.[2] The site has won more than 20 awards, including People's Voice Awards in 2000 for Best Community Site and Best News Site. Occasionally, a story will link to a server causing a large surge of traffic, which can overwhelm some smaller or independent sites. This phenomenon is known as the "Slashdot effect".

      (to the other commenter-- this didn't feel like an advertisement to me. But- you could be right. Even if you are wrong- as I said- doing this regularly would result in it being corrupted by business interests- so even if this ISN'T an advertisement- if we do this enough, they would start to be dominated by advertisements).

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    14. Re:Fill your head with crap by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >That's the conclusion.
      And if you paid any attention in English/writing, you'd know the first thing you do is drive straight to your conclusion/thesis and then into supporting evidence.

    15. Re:Fill your head with crap by jeffmeden · · Score: 1

      When deciding on an app there are only so many variables that come in to play that can allow someone to compare apps:
      1. Number of downloads
      2. Average review
      3. Specific feature list
      4. Price
      5. "Editor's choice", top search ranking, "top apps" chart, etc

      How each are weighted, in which ecosystems, and by demographic would start to expose where the knowledge gap lies and how to close it. Since you sound more like you are interested in a thesis to solve the problem, you should start from the problem and work backward. You need to know what drives purchase decisions before you hope to influence them.

  5. You win a shiny quarter! by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    WOAH! I'm goin' to the movies!

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  6. What is going on?? by XanC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who the flip is Bennet Haselton and why is he allowed to have verbal diarrhea on Slashdot?

    1. Re:What is going on?? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      He paid Dice 25 cents

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    2. Re:What is going on?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow so Slashdot's revenues have quadrupled?

    3. Re:What is going on?? by jnik · · Score: 1

      Somebody figured we were missing the Jon Katz days. (Although I actually kinda liked his articles.)

    4. Re:What is going on?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to know who the flip is XanC, since you asked the SAME question I did, and I got -1,Troll while you got +5 Insightful?

      There are two possible reasons. Your post sounds slightly more aggressive, and you attack the person instead of the message length.

    5. Re:What is going on?? by eepok · · Score: 2

      How in the world is this insightful? What's with all the rage against the author?

      The guy has a question. He has an idea. He describes it all clearly enough. And he somehow deserves ridicule?

      This is News for Nerds. Not "News for Me and Only Me".

    6. Re:What is going on?? by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Why does it keep getting modded up in the firehose instead of thrown down the memory hole? Why don't the editors summarise his 2000+ word summary into, you know, an actual summary? Why are we even asking these questions when clearly neither of us is new here?

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    7. Re:What is going on?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How in the world is this insightful? What's with all the rage against the author?

      Haselton uses slashdot as his personal blog. Nobody else does this. So he gets "special treatment" from both the editors and the rest of us.

    8. Re:What is going on?? by Desler · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The point is that Slashdot is not his blog.

    9. Re:What is going on?? by eepok · · Score: 1

      No, it's a news aggregator that will sometimes source content from its readership ("Ask Slashdot"). So this submission isn't done under the flag of "Ask Slashdot"-- he deserves ridicule for this? All I see here are pseudo-alpha nerds taking some joy in hating on a "lesser nerd" because he had the audacity to do something outside of the norm.

      There is too much rage here for what used to simply be "TL;DR".

      You guys are taking Slashdot posts way too seriously.

    10. Re:What is going on?? by gonnagetya · · Score: 1

      Because the submitter in question always writes very long posts full of content more suited to a blog and is the ONLY one that Slashdot allows such submissions for. As a result, people are suspicious as to why this fellow, who's not known for anything of note in the tech world or otherwise, is allowed so much leeway to spill his guts on a non-blog site.

      It's not the content that's the annoyance. It's why he gets away with such power despite being a nobody.

    11. Re:What is going on?? by argStyopa · · Score: 1

      Bennnet? Why not just post under your own name?

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    12. Re:What is going on?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whoa, there. That's the second post you've made referencing 'psudo-alpha nerds.' You appear to be taking this too seriously!

      As a review of competing products, this submission is lacking conciseness, and no mention that the author attempted to use the parking services offered. As a method for correcting market inefficiencies, he proposes random-sampling with inherent bias in the voters, but no real statistical data to back it up. As a blog post, it muddles from an isolated point to a sweeping over-generalization of how to fix many problems at once. As science, he surveyed 50 people with a questionable control method, and 'seemed to confirm anecdotal evidence.'

      If Slashdot articles were running a race to get posted, this one would be inexplicably crossing the finish line with its pants around its ankles.

    13. Re:What is going on?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He writes a ton of exceptionally shitty blog post style articles here. Nobody can figure out why they ever see the light of day.

    14. Re:What is going on?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bennett is an arrogant moron. He thinks he knows lots about the world and write long ignorant things. He's nearly always totally wrong. That's fine. People like him exist, but why is he on Slashdot all the time?

      Alpha nerd, lesser nerd? What are you talking about. His personality is very alpha. Hostile and aggressive. Which wouldn't be so bad if he would stop, open his eyes are realize the model of the world he has running in his head is wrong. I was found a website where he talks about his dispute with Microsoft. He's convinced he knows better than everyone.

  7. Parking? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Use a jetpack, problem solved!

  8. Re:Fuck off Bennet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nuh uh! His mommy says he's the smartest boy in the world!

  9. prices differ in NYC as well by alen · · Score: 1

    but it depends on how close you are to a local attraction or work site. i had to drive into manhattan today and parked in the $25 garage because it's the closest one to where i work. sure i can find a cheaper spot but then it's a 10 minute walk for me

    and it's not my money. i get pre-tax parking benefits from my employer and pay with a special credit card

    1. Re:prices differ in NYC as well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      uhmmm...it is your money, its just coming out of your check pre-tax. Or do you think your pre-tax 401k contributions are 'not your money' either?

    2. Re:prices differ in NYC as well by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      but it depends on how close you are to a local attraction or work site. i had to drive into manhattan today and parked in the $25 garage because it's the closest one to where i work. sure i can find a cheaper spot but then it's a 10 minute walk for me

      Obviously a different world since where I live doesn't have half the population density as NYC, but I've always been that guy who parks in the corner space at the far, far back end of the lot. My ship's far less likely to be wanged that way, plus the extra bit of exercise is good for me. Plus, when I'm on the clock I'm getting paid for that 10 minute walk.

      YMMV, as the only experience I have with driving/parking in NYC was selling my sister's car after she moved there, because she had no use for it and didn't want to pay to store it.

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    3. Re:prices differ in NYC as well by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      It sucks when your clock doesn't start until you have gone through the badge swipe doors. Then you want the closest spot possible. Why give them the 10 minutes for free!

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    4. Re:prices differ in NYC as well by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      It sucks when your clock doesn't start until you have gone through the badge swipe doors.

      Wow, that does suck! Talk about time theft.

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  10. Hey Bennett Haselton! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Please at least sign up for a WordPress account. Please?

    1. Re:Hey Bennett Haselton! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is you page down button broken? Just because your web browser loads the word, it doesn't mean you have to read them.

  11. You should have known better by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Did you not glance at the recent Slashdot poll that shows that an overwhelming majority of your readers don't buy apps?

    1. Re:You should have known better by flyingfsck · · Score: 0

      Hmm, I was totally amazed that some geeks do buy apps. They should all have their geek cards repossessed.

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  12. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "And here's why it matters to you even if you ride a granola-powered bike to work: I think this is a confirming instance of what I've been arguing for years, that the marketplace for ideas, inventions, and intellectual property is far less efficient than most people think it is."

    Duh. As much as people hate MBA’s around here, this is something that business people understand that engineers/scientists/developers do not: building a better mousetrap is not a guaranteed path to success; never has been and never will be. The economy is littered with the corpses of great products that failed to educate the market about it’s existence and died in obscurity.

    Remember the Slashdot meme:
    1) Build a great parking app
    2) ???
    3) Profit

    I’ve always found that hilarious. ??? = good marketing. The ones you’re referring to that are so good but fail in the market are not that.

    The market actually works exactly as it’s described to: in a perfectly efficient market the buyers and sellers are fully informed individuals aware of all options in the marketplace. The reality is that fully informed is nearly impossible, and it’s that uninformed buyer where marketing folks and business folks come into play to ensure success, or to take advantage of the inefficiency and make money.

    Now some will argue the latter is more often the case. That is true: markets are dynamic, not static. When an inefficiency arises, someone takes that opportunity, and ideally in so doing informs the market of the opportunity, correcting out the inefficiency.

    1. Re:Duh by aicrules · · Score: 1

      He's arguing that spending any money on good marketing is a waste of company resources....because some benevolent group of expert app raters should take care of that for you...

    2. Re:Duh by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

      I'm not saying it's wasteful from the company's point of view; they spend money on marketing because it works.

      I'm saying it's wasteful from an overall societal point of view, because if two companies spend money just trying to jostle each other out of the top spot on Google, the net gain will be zero. If they spent the same effort improving their products, and then the overall product quality determined their ranking in an information source like Google, the benefits would accrue to consumers.

    3. Re:Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I write a lot, but it was impressive to see someone who writes more than i do. Let me boil down your entire thesis to one sentence:

      "We should eliminate the way the world and the economy works in order to make it so engineers can build better things and they will sell, and there is no need for marketing or communication to the customer; communication to the customer should be automated by faceless search engines and be algorithm/formulaic."

      Once you simplify what you said, it's much more clear how totally ridiculous and unrealistic it is.

  13. Our money is wheat for the reaping by P-niiice · · Score: 1

    So now I need an app to help me park with as little butthurt as possible. It could be that people haven't realized how thoroughtly nickle-and-dimed our lives have become. It's pretty sad. Any everytime I try and think of something sadder, its already been done.

  14. Right... by asmkm22 · · Score: 2

    I can park just fine without an app. Not sure why this is even on here. Go blog that shit.

    1. Re:Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course you can, but when going somewhere unfamiliar how do you work out the cheapest place to park? And in any case, that wasn't actually the point of this article.

  15. tldr by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    can we all pitch in $5 a month and get this bennett guy his own blog? (and punt him the hell off slashdot?)

    1. Re:tldr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm in. I'll even throw in $10.

    2. Re:tldr by fulldecent · · Score: 1

      Prioritize. The first $5 goes for booting timothy, if there's money left over we can get rid of this guy.

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  16. Seattle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if I go to Seattle, I will use the bus and subway system. well, i don't have a driver's license. lol

  17. Slashvertisement by ledow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Stop this.

    Seriously.

    Just stop.

    1. Re:Slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think this is bad wait until Dice has essentially replaced Slashdot with Dice Forums. That's what's going on here with the Beta, SlashdotBI and endless interviews that no one cares about.

    2. Re:Slashvertisement by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      Stop this.

      Seriously.

      Just stop.

      I don't think you bothered to do more than skim the summary, if that. Although to be fair, the summary could have simply said that good apps are getting drowned out in white noise of not-so-good apps because the review/curation system in the app stores is completely ineffective.

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    3. Re:Slashvertisement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why would anyone bother to read a whole post by Blowhard Hassleton?

    4. Re:Slashvertisement by GodfatherofSoul · · Score: 1

      This site is doing all it can to drive away core members. Many have already given up. That they would try to pass off something so shamelessly promoting products and not think we can't tell it's a pitch should insult all of us.

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    5. Re:Slashvertisement by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

      I have no relationship with those companies.

  18. Re:Fuck off Bennet by Desler · · Score: 1

    At least this one didn't include whining about Burning Man in it. That's a narked improvement.

  19. Please, make it stop. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Wasn't beta supposed to have a BH filter?

    Why, why, why does this dreck keep getting posted?

  20. Google is already doing it by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

    This random sample voting idea is already in use on Google play. It came into effect a few months ago. If you open Google play on your Android device you will see a widget that invites you to vote for one of your recently installed apps.

    I don't know how well this could work even if done perfectly. The ultimate measure of the quality and appeal of a product is whether or not you will recommend it to someone explicitly (and not just implicitly by liking it on Facebook or G+ or what not). I doubt Google has a way to measure that. Maybe they're working on it.

    1. Re:Google is already doing it by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      Google don't care whether their results are the best for consumers. Their customers are advertisers.

    2. Re:Google is already doing it by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      Google don't care whether their results are the best for consumers. Their customers are advertisers.

      But then Google needs to have a selection of apps that are tolerable enough that you'll use the apps despite the Google ads.

      Ad-free apps (often FOSS) might help make the experience as a whole more tolerable, especially for power users, so there's no reason to punish those.

    3. Re:Google is already doing it by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      But then Google needs to have a selection of apps that are tolerable enough that you'll use the apps despite the Google ads.

      If only it was only the ads. It's the collection and sale of every detail of your mobile life that is intolerable.

  21. Pranking App by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    D'oh!

    I thought the summary was for a pranking app, rather than parking app.

    I could use a pranking app.

  22. Small Audience for app.... by essaunders · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think the issue is the Parking apps are targeted at a very small subset of people. the only real audience are people who occasionally park in a city. I suspect that most people in that subset rely on their hotel or destination parking suggestion and leave it at that.

    I did try out several apps (and web sites) during a recent weekend trip to Boston. Several were next to useless, a couple were good. I ended up saving about 50% vs what my hotel valet service would have been - but I did have to walk a half mile from the garage to the hotel.

  23. Re:Fuck off Bennet by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

    Burning Man... narked... I see what you did there.

  24. tl;dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    * Parking rates vary.
    * The best app isn't always the highest rated app.

  25. The tragedy of capitalism by hackertourist · · Score: 1

    If engineers were left to design a parking app, they'd make it work for all forms of paid parking in at least one country. Instead, we're saddled with a fragmented market.

  26. Why I haven't heard of them? by Lumpio- · · Score: 1

    Well, for one they only seem to really work for US locations and I'm quite a ways from there. ParkMe did find some nearby results but the information was wildly wrong.

  27. Exhaustive Testing of Other Apps by mythosaz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    ...did he try them in any other city than his?

    How well do those work in LA? Boston? New York?

    How we do the ones he panned work there?

    Short-sighted drivel.

    1. Re:Exhaustive Testing of Other Apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps he didn't, but YOU could try them out in YOUR city and tell us how they worked.
      YOU could actually CONTRIBUTE instead of just being jerky.

    2. Re:Exhaustive Testing of Other Apps by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      You know that feeling you have right now? Yeah, that's how the rest of us feel whenever one of you NYC morons tests something in your own city and then assumes it goes for the rest of the country. Apparently it's only wrong if other people do it.

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  28. Re:Fuck off Bennet by Desler · · Score: 1

    Yeah, I made a typo when typing on my phone keyboard.

  29. Don't think his recommended apps work by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    When I rode the train in to work this morning, the app failed miserably when I tried to find the best place to park it in the rail yard. Also, the conductor's goons stopped me from getting to the locomotive.

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  30. Because the Republicans that rule here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    will not allow it. They know that transit and parking is regressive since the poor and minorities pay a higher percentage of their income for it so they will not allow us the ability to save money one it. They have ruled this city with an iron first for decades. They are in the process of more than decimating the bus system. They are destroying 15% of it! Also, they have stopped the new transit tunnel, and are fighting against allowing light rail to expand. In addition, they are going to steal the two express lanes from I-90. They recently got the plan approved to disallow buses from using them. They have fucked this city almost to the point of no return. They've even destroyed the South Lake Union area. They hate the SLUT (South Lake Union Transit), and are doing every thing they can to destroy it. Seattle used to be such a nice place It’s sad to see what Republicans have done to us.

    1. Re:Because the Republicans that rule here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Boy, there's someone who started their legal pot early (wait until July). There hasn't been a Republican sighted in Seattle for 30 years.

    2. Re:Because the Republicans that rule here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      legal pot early (wait until July).

      Wow, you know nothing about Seattle. Of course, that doesn't stop your CONservative kind from running your mouth. Pot is not legal here nor will it be after July. Why did you make-up that date? Was that the only month you could remember because it is easiest to spell? Pot is illegal here federally, and there are more laws wrt it now than there were just five years ago. The Republicans that control this state have made it even more illegal. In just the past month, three guys from my neighborhood have been sentenced to marijuana charges. Republicans have fucked us. It is illegal, and they are continuing to attack us. We're having to hide deeper and deeper underground to survive their assaults.

  31. Missing feature: who tows there by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    I would pay money for a parking app that can tell me which towing company tows cars from there. Where I live, car theft is 100% legal if you are a towing company - it has been demonstrated repeatedly on camera and in court - and some companies are far more frequent offenders than others. I am willing to pay more to park in lots that are not patrolled by certain crooked towing companies.

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  32. Also, Spothero by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

    Works very well for me.

    1. Re:Also, Spothero by adisakp · · Score: 1

      I would mod this up if I had points. I'm a big fan of Spothero. It works great in Chicago.

  33. And scooters are f**kin' magical! by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    I have noticed that motorized scooters have been granted a status in some places of "absolutely magical". It is apparently legal to park them at no cost at bicycle racks, even if they prevent actual bicycles from parking there. They are, by association, legal to ride (or at least, push) on the sidewalk as well. You can carry whatever or whoever you want with you on it, seldom need a proper helmet, and if you have enough power you can go ahead and drive on the freeway as well. They generally need less insurance and registration to boot.

    Why bother with a bicycle at that point? We don't really embrace fitness in this country anyways.

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  34. Could you stop posting this guys articles? by msobkow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He's got a bad case of verbal diarhea and a love of hearing himself write. He is not insightful; he's a blow-hard.

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    1. Re:Could you stop posting this guys articles? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's got a bad case of verbal diarhea and a love of hearing himself write. He is not insightful; he's a blow-hard.

      Impossible to find good products because advertisers are actively trying to make you buy their garbage? Let's forget the fact that it's working as intended, the solution is obvious! All you have to do is whenever you are looking for something, gather a group of experts and ask their opinion! It's so easy! Why hasn't anyone thought of this before?! And you know they are experts, because you gather a group of experts: ABOUT EXPERTS! BRILLIANT!

  35. Slashdot settings help please by argStyopa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Let's say hypothetically a slashditor (let's call him "Supnezmas"), when not posting duplicate articles from 2 days before, has a major erection for some web commenter (let's call him "Notlesah, Ttenneb").

    How could I edit my settings so that worthless shit articles from "Supnezmas" referencing this "Notlesah, Ttenneb" were somehow downrated to oblivion so I don't see them anymore, ever? Is there a filter I can apply?

    Can I "foe" an editor based on context?

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    1. Re:Slashdot settings help please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Greasemonkey.

    2. Re:Slashdot settings help please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately there's no way to do it via settings, but there is this terrific slashvertisement-blocking app. I'd tell you what it's called, except it's got a similar name to six other blocking apps and the only way to correctly describe it is in an overlong blog post, and unfortunately I am too lazy to set up a blogspot. I would submit it as a story, but we all know Slashdot would never put a blog post on the front page.

    3. Re:Slashdot settings help please by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      The Jon Katz filter. Boy, that brings me back.

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  36. Seattle is a good point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > my friends in Seattle -- where street parking is often unavailable

    Because the Republicans are fuckwads. As the PI noticed, nearly 90% of downtown parking is owned by Republicans. They don't want to see minorities in downtown so they artificially raise prices. Also, the early bird specials are make to screw over minorities. The rich white people that work "normal" hours get huge discounts, but they demand I pay three times as much as my white-collar workers because I work in a restaurant. They hate us.

  37. Really? These are the best apps? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I tried both of them on their respective website version. I tried to look for a parking place close to a venue where I would normally attend for annual events. Unfortunately, neither of the sites would list this particular parking garage. It would have been much closer and much cheaper.

    W. T. F.

    On the other hand, I've been a user of Parkopedia and I found this parking garage mentioned above several years ago. They even have an Android app (not sure about other platforms) for those on the go.

    Honestly, I am not impressed with the article. I'm glad I did not waste my time reading the entire thing.

  38. Parking fees. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One striking thing about looking at a map of downtown parking garages, is how wildly the rates vary from each other, with $15 garages situated right next to the $5 ones. In theory, in a competitive marketplace, such rates should stabilize around a single price, for goods that are roughly comparable. But the $10 lots do still manage to get some customers who don't know any better, because it's just not practical to criss-cross a grid of several ....

    and it goes on.

    See, the $5 lot fills up first. The $15 lot next door now gets the overflow business for folks who want to park in that area and are unwilling to drive around or park further away. See? And i you have your numbers down, you can actually make MORE money with the $15 lot even if you have plenty of spaces left - and that maybe why the other lots charge $10 instead of $15: their max is at that price - excuse me, "price point" or as I put it to sound REALLY important: the "profit maximization equalization singularity".

    1. Re:Parking fees. by craighansen · · Score: 1

      ...and the guy with the $15 lot doesn't have to work so hard for their money. In theory, the operator could stay in bed until he gets a wake-up call from the guy with the $5 lot, who he could pay $5 for the call. The $5 guy would have every incentive to call just when his lot is filling up, so he could go home. Now consider this (It'll blow your mind for sure...), the $5 guy and the $15 guy could be the same f**king guy! We've just invented variable pricing!

  39. I think this kind of article is grand by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    It would be nice to have this for every category of thing.

    Of course, if we did it on a regular basis, it would be coopted or corrupted by businesses in some way.

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  40. Maybe it's the nature of this app by dingleberrie · · Score: 1

    Guys, why all the vitriol for this article? Slashvertisement? It doesn't matter. He went out of his way to point out two different apps and an experiment that he did, where he shared the results.

    The topic, for the TL;DR people is essentially why are good apps unseen while poorer ones are popular. He cited ParkMe and BestParking as his basis of research.

    It's a questions that would apply to nerds want to popularize an app, but don't understand the phenomena that encourage apps to spread regardless of feature set.

    Personally, I use BestParking for my trips to New York City, but agree that it is rarely discussed, so I guess it is rarely known. Maybe it is the nature of parking. Many people who park want to park and move on. They don't think about it after the act, so don't want to think about it much earlier either. It is not a long, drawn out thing (like finding a place to live) where you often plan. Additionally, you can't easily use the app while driving, which is what you are doing when you most think of needing to use the App. So maybe this one is the nature of the activity itself. People don't think about it, so it never gets enough buzz to become a topic of conversation so the knowledge of it doesn't spread.

  41. It's like that everywhere and worse. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Marietta, GA - the Square - there is only 2 hour parking and not enough of it. The parking behind businesses and alleyways are taken up by the owners and managers. The hourly staff has to find parking on the street.

    So, one has to get there 30 minutes early in order to clock in on time. You may get a spot right away or it'll take you 30 minutes to get one.

    Then, while you are working, if you can't get out there fast enough to move your car, you get a ticket for an amount that costs a day's wages - maybe more if you're working in a restaurant as wait staff.

    Do the local business owners try to lobby the city to change that? Or to get employee parking passes so the meter people leave them alone?

    Hell no!

    The way poor people are nickle and dimed, it's almost impossible to stay afloat.

    Of course, our society treats poor people as if they have a character flaw - after all, people with decent characters have no money issues!

    Yeah, tell that to the guy whose job was off-shored and cannot get another one.

    We have become a soulless lizard brained society. Might makes right; money makes you right and smart; and if you're poor, well too bad! You obviously made the "wrong" decisions and it sucks to be you (like people wake up one morning and think,"I'm gonna make wrong decisions and fuck up my life!"). Now go away and die!

  42. ADVERTISING by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    There is a huge difference between a company that makes a good product and a company that is good at advertising.

    Honestly that's the main reason why tech people need to get MBA's to run their business. It's not that hard to figure out how to manage and do back office stuff passably well. Oh sure, you might pay too much in taxes, but it's not that big a deal.

    What is a big deal is the ability to get the word out - to tell people about your product.

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  43. Marketplace Is Broken by Jaime2 · · Score: 1

    Almost all marketplaces are broken. Getting eyes on your website, users to download your app, people to watch your commercial, etc. are all not meritocracies. That's why there are whole categories of professions to handle them (advertising, SEO, etc.). Everyone that makes products knows that if you want to make a ton of money, don't put your money into making a better product, put your money into advertising your currently crappy product.

    I got ripped apart a few days ago for making the comment that programming is currently at the equivalent maturity to medicine back in the blood-letting days. This is more proof that we haven't created adequate solutions for common problems like search yet. Sure Google was better than everyone before them and there has been a lot of advancement, but we have a very long way to go yet.

  44. RingGo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.uk.ringgo.android

    Also available in the AppStore.

  45. For iOS it's pretty obvious. by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    One of those two apps runs only on iOS 7.0 or greater, and the other requires at least 6.0. Anyone who's had their phone for more than a year and is tight for space can't install these. I use the San Francisco specific "Parkola" app which will run on my 5.1 16GB device that is packed to the gills with essentials. At least those in the area where the tech industry is know that if you did an upgrade every time you got the offer, all you would ever be doing is upgrading.

  46. Isn't this article a metamod? by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

    Don't most people who complain about mods get metamodded to smitherines? This guy is complaining about moderation (being in the form of popularity and talk) about something.

    I'd get metamodded to shreds, he gets a front page post.

  47. I tried ParkMe; by fridaynightsmoke · · Score: 1

    First I couldn't find it in the Google Play store. When I searched for it on the desktop, I found the app is "not compatible with any of your devices". Ho-hum.

    I tried searching for local parking on the developer's site. They have data for maybe 10% of car parks in central Birmingham, UK; and even then the prices are denoted in US dollars. I don't know whether $4 = £4, or if some exchange rate is being applied.

    If I search on Parkopedia, despite the slightly clunky interface not only is every local car park that I know of listed with prices, there are also details of the city street parking zones and their times of operation.

    I would suggest that there may be more than one reason a particular parking app is more popular than another.

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  48. Looking for an "app" is the problem by tjhayes · · Score: 1

    If you simply go to google and search for "cheapest parking", the first result is bestparking.com.

    Don't limit yourself by searching for "apps". The world existed before "apps" came along. Good old fashioned websites that you find with a google search are just as viable now as they were years ago.

  49. Pay by Phone by Kernel+Kurtz · · Score: 1

    I don't need an app to help me find on-street parking, though it sure is handy being able to plug the meter by phone.

    https://paybyphone.com/

    I use it all the time.

  50. buzzwords distracting by DriveDog · · Score: 1

    It's difficult to focus on the concepts presented when the author employs such over-used, abused, and ultimately meaningless phrases as "marketplace of ideas" and "intellectual property".

  51. There's also ParkApp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's a new app, called ParkApp (www.parkapp.es, only available as a beta in Spain for now), that is the bees knees; it will let you see what parking lots have available spaces, and also book, enter, leave and pay your stay, all with your phone. They also have something going on for bikes, because driving in a busy city sucks.

  52. Re:Fuck off Bennet by bennetthaselton · · Score: 1

    Right, it's spelled "narc'ed".

  53. Blah Blah Blah Haters Gonna Hate ... by Jumperalex · · Score: 1

    I now know about a very handy parking app for DC. And I DID actually look for one and as the article suggests I found crap. Now I'm happy and his "textwall" not withstanding I have no baggage with this Bennett person so all I can say is "Thanks"

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  54. This is a general grave issue concerning all apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Every person using a smartphone or computer are getting apps or programs in a semi-random way looking at ratings and hoping it delivers, but mostly missing out on what exists and is possible.

    I know a lot of apps and devices that a truly helpful and cheap yet overlooked or underestimated and thus most people have lots of unnessary trouble; no windows users have any idea of the possibilities by the myriad of time-savers built into mac os, and most mac users only find out after months or years, how many know that using a mobile browser without advertisements will save both time and money - yes, theres an app for that!

    Apple shot themselves in the foot dealing with TomTom instead of Garmin (when dropping Google maps), maybe they were thinking TomTom maps were good based on biased reviews or marketing? The apple app market is a confused jungle of look-alikes, and even the magazines dedicated to sorting out the best apps gets half-hearted results.

    There are a lot of ingenious ideas and apps getting drowned out in the shouting of the big ones, and the more work is being done on apps instead of store-bought programs the more the confusing is likely to cause harm and make the dinosaurs eat the small people.

    Comparing the usefulness, userfriendlyness and efficiency of office packs, photoediting programs or dslrs will show absolute clear winners when you take into account the price, and the big ones are absolutely the least efficient and least value for money.

    Of course i cannot tell my experiences here since that would be advertising, so you still have to do the research yourselves, maybe someday there will be a functioning way to inform about the things that are worthy of it:)

  55. Bad search terms get you bad results by Zed+Pobre · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure why you would use 'app' as a search keyword. It's pretty much guaranteed to generate nothing more than noise. When I typed "parking garage" into Google Play, the first result that came back was the supposedly unfindable "Best Parking" app... and it was the *only* app on Bennett's list that actually made it into the top ten (the only other app actually related to finding parking was Parknav, not listed in the article.) If I refine that by changing the search term to "cheapest parking garage", "Best Parking" still shows up in first place, Parknav comes in at #2, and ParkMe comes in at #6 -- and the noted inferior apps don't place at all. (Some of the other results were games about parking. The things that people find entertaining boggle the mind.)

    Given that 'app' is a discardable generic term, expecting mind-reading results from effectively searching for apps related to 'parking' isn't reasonable ("I wanted an app about parking domain names!"). If you do use reasonable terms, the results appear fairly decent. I don't have an iPhone to try this on, so maybe the Apple results are worse, but I'd be somewhat surprised.

    As for why these apps aren't famous, if I hadn't gotten curious about the results being as bad as were claimed it would never have occurred to me to actually search for an app to do price comparisons on parking garages. I don't live a lifestyle where that's remotely relevant to me, and I suspect that it isn't a common problem except in very specific regions.

  56. The point is valid, but not helpful by steveha · · Score: 1

    The point is valid, but not that helpful. Yes, our current system for finding useful apps is imperfect.

    Sometimes when you invent a better mousetrap, the world doesn't figure it out and beat a path to your door. It would be great if the best ideas always win in the marketplace of ideas, but sometimes they don't.

    And, if you can solve this general problem, you will be very popular.

    I think social media can help a bit, but it's no panacea. (TFA noted that the voting for apps doesn't favor the best apps, and the voting system is arguably a form of social media.) Sometimes I hear about cool stuff on Facebook or whatever, but marketers try to spam us even on Facebook and its signal-to-noise ratio is degrading.

    P.S. I live near Seattle. I went to Emerald City ComiCon again this year, and I arrived too late to get one of the spaces in the convention center parking. I wound up getting a good space using the BestParking app. So, it worked well for me the one time I tried it.

    I found this app by doing Google searches for parking the night before, and finding the bestparking.com web site, which advertised that they had a mobile app.

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  57. App fatigue is real... by dublin · · Score: 1

    I was talking with a fairly large group of tech-savvy friends here in Austin the other day, and it was nearly unanimous - the last thing we ever want is another damn app to download, constantly whine for updating, and try to find among the other 200 crap apps on our phones or tablets. We coined this rising level of disgust "App Fatigue"...

    Web apps could conceivably be a decent alternative, but only if someone gives me Settings option checkboxes labelled,

    [ ] Never, ever, show me the crippled mobile version of any website at all, as long as I live., (preferred) or maybe,

    [ ] Always lie to web servers so they think this is a desktop computer with a real browser. Because it's more powerful than my desktop computer, and has a real browser.

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    1. Re:App fatigue is real... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To effectively give myself the checkboxes you propose I use Firefox on my phone with the "Desktop by Default" and "Phony" extensions to get desktop websites on my phone. I noticed the "Desktop by Default" extension, which makes the "Request Desktop Site" checkbox default to ticked didn't always result in getting the desktop site, so I installed "Phony" to spoof a desktop browser user agent, and that works. Conceivably I might not need the "Desktop by Default" extension with "Phony" installed, but I never got round to testing it.

  58. information is terrible by Karmashock · · Score: 1

    there are a lot of free places to park that this thing doesn't list... useless.

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  59. Good reason why I haven't heard of them... by jrumney · · Score: 1
    BestParking:

    This app is incompatible with all of your devices. Offers in-app purchases.

    Incompatible with a Nexus 5? *plonk*

    ParkMe:

    There are 5 apps by this name I can find in the Play Store. But the one I think you're talking about shows up in the "related apps" for those, and looking closer, it gives the same message as above.

    So to answer your question as to why noone is using your apps, make them compatible with phones people are using first!

  60. Suburbs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, if you consider TGI Fridays a great place to eat and people watch.

  61. Incomplete Information by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would and do use BestParking when traveling to other cities. However, what these apps do not indicate is that many vendors in the area will validate your parking. So the cheapest (usually city parking) is not always the best if you can get your ticket validated.

  62. Correcting a few scooter misunderstandings by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 1

    I am a scooter rider. In most places in the US, the following rules apply:

    For scooters that are less than 50cc and cannot go faster than 35 mph:
        * You may park in the bike rack like a bike. In some places, you can even park on the sidewalk (!!) as long as it isn't obstructing pedestrian traffic.
        * Do not require a motorcycle or even a driver's license, but if you have a prior DUI, some states won't let you ride a scooter until your license gets reinstated.
        * Some states require you to register and title your scooter, some do not
        * You may or may not need a helmet and/or eye protection (in my state, you need both, and both are a good idea unless you like getting a rock or sand in your eyes while you're trying to drive).
        * May not go on the freeway, and you must drive them in the right lane unless you are turning left.
        * May not use bike paths, bike lanes, or any other resources designated for bicycles.
        * Do not require insurance

    Any scooter that is 50cc or more, or can go over 35mph is a motorcycle. For a motorcycle:
        * You need a motorcycle license
        * You need to register and title your motorcycle and get any required inspections
        * You may not park in the bike racks nor engage in any other scooter "magic". The "magic" is for the under 50cc crowd.

    Here's the gotcha of scooters: some people derestrict them, but this can be a bad idea, because let's say you derestrict your 50cc scoot and are going 45 in a 35mph zone. If caught, you are violating the following laws: speeding, driving without a license (assuming you have no motorcycle license), driving an unregistered motor vehicle, driving an uninspected vehicle, operating a motorcycle without a helmet/eyewear (if applicable). Is a cop really going to throw the book at you like that? Not likely, but it's still a big risk if the officer is behind on his or her monthly quota!

    As for me, I have a derestricted 50cc scoot for the parking "magic", but I also have a motorcycle endorsement and registered my scoot, and I wear a helmet/eyewear, and I have insurance (it's super cheap, and scooter theft is rampant). So if I'm caught speeding, it's simple speeding and I guess I don't get it inspected, but that's a compliance ticket (if you get it inspected, then the ticket is dismissed). Technically, I shouldn't park in the bike rack because my scoot goes faster than 35mph, but the meter maid doesn't know that.

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  63. TLLLLLL;DR by CmdrTamale · · Score: 1

    Verbosity is not a virtue