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New 'Google' For the Dark Web Makes Buying Dope and Guns Easy
First time accepted submitter turkeydance (1266624) writes "The dark web just got a little less dark with the launch of a new search engine that lets you easily find illicit drugs and other contraband online. Grams, which launched last week and is patterned after Google, is accessible only through the Tor anonymizing browser (the address for Grams is: grams7enufi7jmdl.onion) but fills a niche for anyone seeking quick access to sites selling drugs, guns, stolen credit card numbers, counterfeit cash and fake IDs — sites that previously only could be found by users who knew the exact URL for the site."
...it'll let the Feds find them just as easily....
Or does anyone seriously think the NSA can't use this service just as well as Random Internet Idiot?
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what he said. While countermeasures can mediate the risk, you should assume that anything you send out electronically can be intercepted, decrypted and traced back to you. You can take steps to make this extremely difficult (hopefully more difficult than catching you is worth), you can certainly take steps I personally couldn't overcome without too much effort; but beating the intelligence gathering capabilities of one or more governments is at best an uncertain proposition (IMHO).
The real hidden service URL probably just changed.
The site advert'd in the Slashdot article is probably itself a "Sting" operation to tag members of the public for the purpose of building a blacklist for the /real/ search site at some URL we don't know about.
I remember Alta Vista... the best search engine in its day... now it just redirects to Yahoo :(
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...sites that previously only could be found by users who knew the exact URL for the site.
Isn't that kinda how the Internet works. If your don't know the exact URL for a site and no one has posted a link to it on another site your do know, you're not going to reach it. It's only thanks to searching the indexing systems people can find stuff any other way.
Now the FBI and the Sheriff would be able to set up stings more efficiently.
FBI and the Sheriff? You have no real insight in how law enforcement works here in the US of A, do you?
There are dozens(!) of different police forces, and they seldom cooperate on anything, but try to not step on each others' toes. A sheriff is county police and would not be involved in any international or interstate crime sting. Speeding tickets, serving divorce notices, arresting the busker in front of the strip mall, signing reports of items stolen, sit in cars at local road work - that's the sheriff's department. Investigative work to catch internet facilitated high crime is not going to involve the sheriff.
zmodem was several generations newer.
kermit -> xmodem -> ymodem -> zmodem
I still use uucp, by the way. For communicating with faraway sites where the connection depends on a shaky cell phone connection that may or may not be up, it's a pretty good way of moving e-mail and logs.
To be fair, the parent is probably some furriner who watched all of the Great John Wayne's movies. He should be praised for this and the ignorance he has acquired should be rewarded. It's the American way.
The real hidden service URL probably just changed.
The site advert'd in the Slashdot article is probably itself a "Sting" operation to tag members of the public for the purpose /real/ search site at some URL we don't know about.
of building a blacklist for the
Yeah, I'm inclined to agree, that 'dark web' URL in slapped in such plain view.. screams honeypot. Pass.
Wow... rationalize much?
I bet you are the AC you are responding to.
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Food for thought. Would you really want to live in Venezuela? Hitler made a lot of improvements in Nazi Germany before he became the man we love to hate. Somehow I'm not sure that making the trains run on time by making it so people no longer want to ride them is a good thing. But hey, to each their own.
Venezuela enacted a country wide gun ban, and violent firearm crime dropped by 1/1000.
So it's at 999/1000ths the level it was before?
Sure seems "effective".
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I take it there's not a whole lot of comments because everybody's on TOR browsing summary address.
Ah, in that case, don't worry.
They'll be back the day after tomorrow, when tor has returned results...
Now there you go again, being overly optimistic.
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Ah, you must've found the +1 solameitscool super-secret modification option that people with "6" Karma get to use if the computer throws a 20 on the roll of the dice when it give you mod points.
Sorry you mis-used it, it will be awhile before you get another chance.
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National Security Letters work if the person receiving them is subject to US law.
The "bully stick of diplomacy" may work of the person is subject to the law of a country that wants to stay on friendly terms with the USA.
If this site is hosted in a country like North Korea (which we can probably rule out to to their self-imposed Internet near-exile), Iran, or one of a small number of other countries openly hostile with the US Government, it's highly unlikely that the US Government will be able to use "the force of law" to compromise the site itself. Far more likely is that they will have to sneak in covertly to compromise either it or the pipe leading to it, or they will find a way of "taking over" the URL without taking over the site itself.
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that is soooo close -- almost spot on -- how did you guess?
actually, I wanted to rate it Funny and Coincidentally-I'm-Reading-Soul-Music-Riight-Now but I hit the the Overrated option instead -- the poster never deserved that so I had to post to undo it
(note to self; never drink gin+Campari+Cointreau+lemon while moderating)
Buying guns is perfectly legal. gunbroker.com, budsgunshop.com, walmart.com. Well, to be fair the last one tells you they are instore only, but the others will gladly and legally ship straight to your FFL.
If people think the NSA isn't all over the dark web, they be dummies.
The NSA isn't that concerned with where you buy your pot. They aren't even that concerned with where the local gangbanger buys his guns, or where the local perv sources his kiddie porn.
If you're going to wear the tin foil hat at least direct it at the appropriate three letter agencies: FBI, DEA, ATF, et. al.
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We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
OK, so the US government has been recently shown conclusively to lie and spy on its own citizens, not to mention sending them to die on useless faraway wars, overtaxing them and maintaining a worrisome inequality regime for the benefit of only a few rich citizen. Clearly the US gov seems to be evil. Where are the righteous citizens taking up arms and bringing down that evil government?
Which well-armed milicia do you belong to?
Yes, they seldom cooperate, but sometimes the higher ups do share some intelligence with the the lower departments. Have you missed the stories where a lower department was told "be at x place at y time, look for this person and get them for any small infraction of the law, then take them in and invoke any laws you can to get more information to as related to z reason." There have been stories like this on /. for quite a while. It has happened, it continues to happen. The smaller department will get you for some small breaking of the law, then escalate because they were _told_ to look for this small thing the person was doing in order to catch them in the larger crime, all because they higher department "knew" they were up to something (because of the intelligence that the higher authority gathered through, ahem, someone legal means).
The point of darknets is not to hide the URLs of services, it's to hide the location of the server and the clients connecting to it. Otherwise it would be kinda useless, since to use it you would have to have contact with other users which is risky.
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Venezuela has a murder rate of 45.1 per 100,000 post gun-ban. Are you really trying to suggest that their murder rate pre gun-ban was 45,100 per 100,000?
It should also be noted that the current 45.1 per 100K murder rate is ten times the US murder rate (4.5 per 100K)....
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Yeah, and now that it is newsworthy, a whole bunch of cops and agencies are going to expend as many tax dollars as they can toward doing the Silk Road bit to this Grams. Of course, someone else will start one somewhere else and more tax dollars will disappear into the aether. Done often enough, this could cut funding to Repubmocrat programs which buy them votes, while polishing the donut for the enforcement agencies. Repubmocrats, not wanting to detract from ,doing it for the children, will attempt to enact more internet control to protect their usual modus craperandi. Look for the CIA to be knee deep in Grams a la Sandinista, and the whole mess swirls round and round till it gets stuck in the plumbing and the log will have to be plunged manually.
That was the H.S.Thompson version.
Business as usual on the internet and D.C.
That was the NYT version.
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