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Gary Kildall, Father of the PC OS, Finally Gets His Due

theodp writes: "GeekWire reports that Gary Kildall, the creator of the landmark personal computer operating system CP/M, will be recognized posthumously by the IEEE for that contribution, in addition to his invention of BIOS, with a rare IEEE Milestone plaque. Kildall, who passed away in 1994 at the age of 52, has been called the man who could have been Bill Gates. But according to Kildall's son, his dad wasn't actually interested in being what Bill Gates became: 'He was a real inventor,' said Scott Kildall. 'He was much more interested in creating new ideas and bringing them to the world, rather than being the one that was bringing them to market and leveraging a huge amount of profits. He was such a kind human being. He was always sharing his ideas, and would sit down with people and show flowcharts of what he was thinking. I think if he were around for the open-source movement, he would be such a huge proponent of it.' Techies of a certain age will also remember Gary's work as a co-host of Computer Chronicles."

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  1. He couldn't have been Bill Gates... by Kenja · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It wasn't about the creation, but the leveraging.

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    1. Re:He couldn't have been Bill Gates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This. Gates was ruthless from the get-go, the kid read multiple biographies of Napolean for chrissakes. He read biographies of people like JP Morgan, back when you couldn't even find them without trekking to a major university library.

      If Kildall had struck an exclusive deal with IBM, he would've probably made a few tens of millions USD before retiring or being out-maneuvered by businessmen of Gates' caliber.

  2. The best recognition.. by ThatsDrDangerToYou · · Score: 5, Insightful
    is this: " He was such a kind human being. He was always sharing his ideas, and would sit down with people and show flowcharts of what he was thinking."

    We could use more like him. To be recognized by IEEE is great, but greater still to leave this legacy to his kids and the community.

    1. Re:The best recognition.. by sg_oneill · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, I think its wrong to put him in the Jobs, or Gates category. Jobs and Gates where merely better than average technical people but with phenomenal business skills. Kildall was only a better than average businessman but with phenomenal technical skills.

      In a sense he was more a Wozniak character, well meaning, technically brilliant, and for a while at least betting on the right horse.

      And by all accounts, a genuinely decent person.

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    2. Re:The best recognition.. by JabberWokky · · Score: 5, Interesting

      To tie them all together, I used a computer for many years that was designed by Woz, marketed by Jobs, with a expanded processor and memory made by Gates' company to run Kildall's OS (and a few others). An Apple ][+ with the Microsoft Z-80 SoftCard card, running CP/M. And I'm sure I wasn't the only one. A world capable of inventing, manufacturing, and garnering capital and sales to see that innovation become available to people requires all of them.

      I know I'd rather have lunch with the likes of Wozniak and Kildall, however. Add Ritchie and Kernighan, and that would be one heck of a table.

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    3. Re:The best recognition.. by theodp · · Score: 2, Informative

      From the linked BW article: "Kildall ultimately sold his company to Novell Inc. (NOVL) in 1991 for $120 million." Not BillG money, but not too shabby.

  3. I met Gary by Coditor · · Score: 2

    as a guest on Computer Chronicles in 1987. He seemed like a genuine person, not at all affected by not being Bill. Good to see he finally gets better recognition even if it took so long.

    1. Re: I met Gary by Kalriath · · Score: 2

      Your post is a bunch of crap. Forensic computer scientists looked at the MS-DOS source code and compared it to CP/M code back during the Digital Research trial and verified that it was not stolen. And your rant about that second grade university student (second grade? WTF?) is obviously a pile of shit.

      I know it's trendy to hate Microsoft (Old Microsoft, not to be confused with New Microsoft), but you can do it with actual facts instead of made up bullshit.

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    2. Re: I met Gary by jedidiah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The cheap solution was the rest of the market beyond Apple and IBM. It wasn't the platform with the IBM trademark associated with it. The PC initially exploited it's association with the original IBM product and then Bill Gates and Microsoft ran with it from there once they already had commanding position in the market due to someone else's trademark.

      Microsoft is ultimately the extension of someone else's monopoly.

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    3. Re: I met Gary by AaronW · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually OS/2 WARP and even 2.1 included TCP/IP. The OS/2 Warp TCP/IP suite was far better than anything Microsoft had. It was basically based on BSD along with many of the tools that were supplied. I remember buying NFS for OS/2 (there were versions from IBM and Hummingbird) as well as X11 for OS/2 (before XFree86 was ported to it). Later versions of OS/2 included even more features from BSD, including sendmail and the firewall support. I remember being able to telnet into my OS/2 box long before such things were supported by Microsoft. When OS/2 Warp shipped, TCP/IP was an add-on for Windows 95.

      TCP/IP was never a 20-30K option at least from version 2.1 and later.

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  4. Open Source by brit74 · · Score: 2

    "Kildall, who passed away in 1994 ... I think if he were around for the open-source movement, he would be such a huge proponent of it."

    Doesn't the open-source movement go back to the 1970s? Admittedly, I'm not sure how easy it would be to get involved with open-source projects (other than open-sourcing your own private projects) before the age of the internet.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...

  5. He was around for the open source movement, innit? by CRCulver · · Score: 2

    While the "open source as something different than Free Software" debate may have exploded in the 1990s after his death, the fellow was around for the many years of GNU and BSD activity and publicity. Did he have any published views on that?

  6. When popularity rules by hessian · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Democracy, markets and social groups all recognize one factor: popularity.

    When popularity rules, engineering comes second. What matters is making a product that many people think they need.

    Gates isn't even a huge offender here. He accomplished something great: he made a company to standardize computing.

    Thanks to him, we have standard hardware, file formats, disk drives, etc. enabling a lot of things including Linux.

    1. Re:When popularity rules by zephvark · · Score: 3, Funny

      I smell a troll

      Take a shower.

  7. I remember him for GEM by DadLeopard · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The GEM Graphic environment manager, would have been the world standard, well expect for the "Look and Feel" Lawsuit that Apple brought against it when it was released for the IBM PC and Clones. After the settlement it was so neutered as to be fairly useless! It was a dream to use in it's full implementation on the Atari 1040ST. Drag and drop and a windowed environment way before Microsoft got around to it!

    1. Re:I remember him for GEM by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 2

      Apple sued all the early GUI interfaces out of business. You might even say they caused Microsoft's success with Windows, by clearing the field for them.

  8. well, he said it was a weekend hack by samantha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I met him back in the 70s. He said that CP/M was something he hacked up one weekend out of frustration with other things available at the time or rather the dearth of much of anything. He wasn't at all impressed by having done so. He wondered why people thought it was a big deal.

    So sorry to hear that we lost him and so very young.

  9. Re:Computer Chronicles by captjc · · Score: 2

    The entire series was donated to The Internet Archive I find it awesome watching the old episodes to see how far we came. Seeing laptops that boast about a fantastic battery life of 2 hours with an *OMG* color screen or seeing a Panasonic rep saying about how the 3DO will kill Nintendo is a great nostalgia trip.

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  10. Re:Award by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 2

    IMO, CP/M should get him the award, not even considering BIOS...

    While Tandy TRS-DOS was my first OS, CP/M on Vector Graphic, Kaypro and Televideo systems was the first one I dove into. In the BDOS I could disassemble memory to instructions and actually figure out what was going on. CP/M was the 8-bit bread and butter of the 8080/Z80 age.

    In 1980 at age 16 I wrote a proof of concept product, a TSR (terminate and stay resident') program for CP/M systems called DataCrypt. You'd load it on startup and be prompted for a pass phrase and it would hash the phrase, tuck itself into ~2k above your COMMAND.COM and terminate-resident, intercepting file I/O. When any running program created or opened a file matching one of several (user-settable) wildcard patterns such as $$??????.???, it would perform transparent crypt or de-crypt of each 128-byte sector.

    So with DataCrypt resident you could use WordStar and work with a mix of encrypted and unencrypted documents. If the program used your primary name with a special extension (like *.$$$) for temporary files even those would be encrypted on disk.

    I sent it out to several folks in Silicon Valley and elsewhere for review but got no bites. At the time there were few computer folk as interested in data security as I was. But even then I was aware that TRUE security was a long distance away. The prototype's CRC32/XOR snake oil encryption had only 32 bits of entropy, which is a wink and a chuckle these days. True DES encryption would have been a slow deal.

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  11. Re:Hell... by sjames · · Score: 2

    If it was only a couple meg, you were missing most of the distro. No wonder you thought it was a POS.

  12. Could have been Bill Gates? by jcr · · Score: 2

    More like, the first guy in a long line that Bill Gates ripped off.

    -jcr

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  13. Re:Nice guys by tragedy · · Score: 3, Informative

    Wozniak did not ride Steve Jobs coattails. Do you think jobs would have gotten anywhere without Woz at the beginning? He probably would have ended up as a used car salesman.

  14. Re:Nice guys by Archtech · · Score: 2

    I think you may have misunderstood the parent's assertion. I think he meant that Wozniak owed whatever wealth and business success he achieved to riding Jobs' coattails.

    Ironically, I completely agree with your remark that, without Wozniak, Jobs "probably would have ended up as a used car salesman". (Although even then, he probably would have wound up a billionaire). Unfortunately, due to the way our society is structured, it is NOT the geniuses who are rewarded but the people, like Jobs, who exploit their ideas.

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  15. Re:Nice guys by tragedy · · Score: 2

    Woz probably still would have managed some sort of success without Jobs. As for Jobs, I'm not so sure he would be a billionaire otherwise. Jobs was very good at the position he was in, but he was very fortunate. Personalities like his are much, much more likely to self-destruct than succeed.