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Lucasfilm Announces Break With Star Wars Expanded Universe

RogueyWon writes: "A recent blog post from Lucasarts had confirmed that the new Star Wars movies planned for release by Disney will formally break continuity with the Expanded Universe novels, comics and video games. They say, 'In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe.' The news is unlikely to be a surprise, given George Lucas's previous pronouncements on the issue."

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  1. Translation by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We found out that by keeping the time- and storyline, we could not cram enough cuddly merchandising crap into the show. Expect a lot more fluffy aliens, cutsie droids, and if you thought that Episode 1 was an overblown trailer and ad for the podracer computer game, we have a big surprise for you in Episode 7!

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    1. Re:Translation by Khan · · Score: 2

      Spot on. And yeah, no surprise in this announcement. I have no doubt Jar-Jar (or some other equally annoying creation) will be the lead in the next 3 movies \TV shows.

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    2. Re:Translation by Stormy+Dragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Disney hasn't done this with any of the Marvel movies; why do people assume they are with the Star Wars movies?

    3. Re:Translation by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We found out that by keeping the time- and storyline, we could not cram enough cuddly merchandising crap into the show. Expect a lot more fluffy aliens, cutsie droids, and if you thought that Episode 1 was an overblown trailer and ad for the podracer computer game, we have a big surprise for you in Episode 7!

      I can only agree with you there, the extent to which boosting merchendising sales has taken priority over making a good film sucks ass. Antoher thing I hate is when film sequels and in particular TV scifi shows get cancelled and you are left with a half told story because some beancounting corporate functionary did an Excel session and determined that the fucking merchandise sales weren't good enough even thought he film/show itself was quite well received by the viewing public. Some of us actually watch a film for the sake of the story being told and not because we like 2-3 hour infomercials.

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    4. Re:Translation by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Episode Seven: Jedi Academy of the Ewok Homeworld.

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    5. Re:Translation by Enigma2175 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I'm not surprised. Books, comics and video games tend to not be canon for Star Wars, and only half heartedly canon in Star Trek.

      My personal opinion is that only Film-TV can be canon. Everything else in another format needs to be adapted to that format to be canon. This is why I never read fanfic trash on the internet, as much as someone might have a good head on their shoulders for writing fanfiction, it will never be canon. Parodies I sometimes see (eg robot chicken) but they're easily forgettable.

      So the Lord of the Rings movies are canon, screw those dusty old books. Why rely on Tolkien when I can have Peter Jackson tell me about Hobbits?

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    6. Re:Translation by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a very bad feeling about this.

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    7. Re:Translation by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I would think it has more to do with the fact that most of the writing and plotlines in the expanded universe are absolutely shit. I've struggled my way here and there through a few, and they're just terrible, most of it on the level of amateur fan fiction.

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    8. Re:Translation by j-beda · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Certainly the trailer for "Guardians of the Galaxy" does not look like it is going to be very consistent with the published comics.

      From what I've been reading, it is consistent, with the most recent version of the Guardians, not the Martinex/Charlie-27/Vance Astro/etc etc Guardians you're probably thinking of.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G...

      Which is, I guess, an indication that being "consistent with the comics" at best can be understood to mean "consistent with some group of comics picked from fifty plus years of inconsistent storylines, restarts and re-imagings".

    9. Re:Translation by GarethIwanFairclough · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Name ANY worth shit outside of I, Jedi or the Thrawn trilogy.

      You cant because there isnt. FUCK the EU with a barge pole

      Knights of the old republic? Shadows of the empire? The Dark forces/Jedi Knight series? Rogue Squadron?

      There's four for you right there.

    10. Re: Translation by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      totally 100% wrong. this is some jj abrams star-trek-style reinvention, where he breaks free of old conventions to tell a new story. thank goodness that movies 7-9 won't be stuck in a little narrative box that was delineated 30 years ago. 1-3 were a disappointment to me, but I have big expectations here.

    11. Re: Translation by Crashmarik · · Score: 3, Funny

      Meesa sorry yousa getsa jar jar

    12. Re:Translation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      To be fair, more than half of the clone wars series was too. There were a few authors that did a good job. Personally I like the majority of Zahn's work better than the original Star Wars Story itself. It is an incredible saga showcasing the triumph the human(oid) mind, and will above all else. The original hand of Thrawn trilogy was so artistically done. Allegiance, & Choices of one were just as good.

      If Disney / Lucas cared at all they would make those into a subset of movies of some kind. They flesh out the universe in ways no other work has touched (not even the originals). Ysalimari, force bubbles. Defeating an enemy utilizing psychological flaws deduced by studying their species artwork. An enslaved group of stealh assassins as strong as wookies?!. Beautiful, just beautiful. Then there was the ever-present competence, and problem solving ability of Mara Jade, and Thrawn showcased in a variety of situations. It doesn't get better than those works.

    13. Re:Translation by Ries · · Score: 2

      I also fear the worst after having seen The Clone Wars season 6 last episodes. They changed from space shooter with a hint of "magic" to full blown harry potter with lasers.

    14. Re:Translation by aix+tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep. Add Visions of the Past / Spectre of the Future to that.

      If you want to "breaks free of old conventions to tell a new story" just TELL a new story. If your new story needs to re-hash "old characters" to get people interested in it, then it's probably a not very interesting story to begin with.

    15. Re:Translation by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Well, write for your audience. And let's be honest here, what do you think is the audience for a rather badly drawn cartoon series with a plot that fits on a sheet of paper per season?

      I've watched a few. I even tried to enjoy them. It just doesn't work out. The characters are stereotypes and shallow, the plot predictable, the storyline unbelievable, with the only surprises being the deus-ex-machinas when the writers painted themselves in a corner.

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    16. Re: Translation by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      this is some jj abrams star-trek-style reinvention [...]

      So you mean the first film will be an awesome fresh take on the franchise, and the second will be a ham-fisted sexist attempt at fan service?

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    17. Re: Translation by schnell · · Score: 5, Insightful

      thank goodness that movies 7-9 won't be stuck in a little narrative box

      Thank you, precisely. I say this as someone who has read 15 or so Star Wars EU books and thoroughly enjoyed many of the video games: the EU was >50% shit sandwich.

      In fact, it was destined to be shit. Timothy Zahn kickstarted it with some very good (but not as good as some people believe) SF with the Thrawn trilogy. Lucas never thought he was going to go back to Star Wars, so he waved his hand "whatever" and was pleasantly surprised when the royalty checks started rolling back in. "Shadows of the Empire" was interesting (in part because it was the first time sexuality was openly introduced into the Lucas prudish universe) and a few other things. Star Wars video games were great, but who ever imagined those were canon when what you as a player did could impact them? ("History records that Darth Revan boned Bastila... wait, no he didn't. But she became his Dark Side apprentice... wait, no she didn't. It turns out Revan died in a casino on the underworld of Taris because he couldn't make any money playing Pazaak.")

      But mainly it just quickly descended into "resurrected or clone Empire person or weapon of the year" bullshit and just wanked itself (and milked its readers) for years.

      Then Lucas decides to make Episodes 1-3 and right there you have already invalidated 50% of the mythology of the EU. Spaarti cylinders? Whatsisface the Death Star designer? Using the Force is like some sexually transmitted disease? Jedis can't date? And, if Force ability was hereditary, WHY THE FUCK wouldn't you want Jedis to breed lots of little Jedis? Huuuuuhhhhhh? So the EU was already dead even then.

      For the record: despite all its story consistency failings, Episodes 2 & 3 were NOT THAT BAD. Episode 3, in fact, was a genuinely enjoyable movie! Episode 1 was exactly the steaming shitpile that everyone makes it out to be, except for the first 15 minutes, the pod races and Darth Maul's battle with Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon.

      But of course it still carried on, and of course the results were mixed. "New Jedi Order" was an interesting idea badly implemented, and I'm sorry but the death of Anakin Solo was a terrible idea. The later series had their ups and downs... take for example the latest, "Fate of the Jedi." There were very enjoyable parts, especially the "Luke and Ben road trip" aspects of visiting all the Force users across the galaxy. But a previously unknown super-Force-user had to be invented out of nowhere, and somehow they repeated the NJO "the bad guys must control Coruscant" story line, and it just ended up being a mess. Would you really expect a new Star Wars movie with Han, Luke and Leia to be constrained by the frequently awful story lines of the last 30 years?

      So long story short: the EU was kind of a hot mess and was destined to go away the second anyone tried to remake Star Wars. And even if I miss Kyle Katarn, Admiral Thrawn, the Witches of Dathomir and Mara Jade, it's a trade-off I'm willing to make for decent new movies.

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    18. Re: Translation by jxander · · Score: 2

      The sad thing is that 1-3 actually has a very compelling story that they're trying to tell. A beautiful deconstruction of Joseph Campbell's "Hero's Journey," which a lot of people associate strongly (and wrongly) with the original 3 movies

      The prequels start out with a very simple "Chosen One" story arc. QuiGon was so completely convinced that Anakin was this ONE of prophecy that he (and later Obi Wan) completely ignored the fact that their Chosen One was a complete head case and spent all his time with someone who couldn't possibly be more obviously evil if they started twirling a Snidely Whiplash moustach.

      The whole prequel series is a thesis to why Prophecy or Destiny takes should be handled with copious skepticism. And that ties in perfectly with the original three which actually bucked the prophecy.

      Even in Luke's time, the Jedi leadership (Obi and Yoda) is still on the chosen one kick. Only now Luke is the chosen one, and their entire plan is "Teach him strongest kung fu, send him to kill evil Kung fu master." And they're so tunnel-vision locked into this plan that they'd rather just let Luke's friends (and sister) die on cloud city while like finished his training. And they definitely never even considered the plan that ultimately saved the day: redemption. Even if Luke had been strong enough to take Vader in a straight up fight (he wasn't) Palp still would've killed or turned Luke, wiped out the rebels, roll credits.

      All sux movies practically scream "Prophecy bad!" and the prequels seem to reinforce this. The only problem is that they were horribly scripted, had terrible pacing, over relied on CGI, used flat out racist characters, and a host of other problems ... but I think there was a nugget of a good story buried in there. Somewhere.

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    19. Re:Translation by Jason+Levine · · Score: 3, Funny

      I have altered the canon. Pray I don't alter it further!

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  2. Why? by CRCulver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I cannot claim to be much of a Star Wars fanatic and haven't read a Star Wars book in years, but I remember reading Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire along with the rest of the Thrawn Trilogy as a child and wishing that someday that would be adapted for the big screen as future episodes of the film series. Judging from its critical acclaim, I imagine many had the same wish. Strange that Disney would leave that all behind when its storywriting work was already done for it.

    Perhaps not enough opportunities for tie-in marketing in existing plot material?

    1. Re:Why? by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      The Thrawn stories would make a great movie plot, but any movies out of them would neither fit into the Star Wars nor the Disney catalog of movies. Any movie about Thrawn would be a diplomacy/political thriller. Thrawn is an admiral, and a very fine one (from a purely military point of view). A Thrawn movie would have a completely different air to it than what you'd expect from a Star Wars movie, it would be a war movie, not unlike a lot of movies about contemporary admirals and generals, rather than the fantasy/sci-fi opera mix that SW movies usually are.

      It would be a great movie if you ask me. It just would never be a Star Wars movie.

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    2. Re:Why? by RogueyWon · · Score: 2

      I read a LOT of the Expanded Universe stuff around 7 or 8 years ago, when I had a job that involved a lot of international travel. The novels are a decent way to pass the time when you are constantly crammed into planes, or sat in a strange hotel room feeling jetlagged.

      I think the issue is that the Expanded Universe stuff mostly fits into two camp. The first - which is typified by the Timothy Zahn stuff - is the stuff that is decent sci-fi (better than franchise-fiction has any right to be) but which is fundamentally unsuited to film. The Heir to the Empire trilogy is good, but it's slow-paced, involves a lot of politics and it doesn't really have any scenes that would really adapt into big set-pieces in a movie (and Star Wars movies have always been heavy on the big set-pieces). As a TV series, putting aside the casting difficulties, Heir to the Empire might have worked. As movies? No hope.

      The other category - typified by the Kevin J Anderson stuff - is what could, most kindly, be described at "bad fanfiction". This is the stuff that's badly written, tone-deaf and schlocky. This stuff is filled with stilted dialogue, paper thin characterisation and plot holes you could fly a Star Destroyer through. Admittedly, everything I've just said could be applied equally to Lucas's prequel movies - but you really do hope they're aiming higher than that with the new stuff.

      Plus if you stuck with the existing Expanded Universe timeline, at some point you'd hit New Jedi Order. And that's where it gets difficult. For the uninitiated, the NJO is a very, very long multi-author series of novels, beginning around 20 years after Return of the Jedi, and centred around an invasion by extra-galactic aliens. It kills a lot of major characters (including characters from the movies) and, in case I didn't stress this enough above, is extremely long. Some of the authors who worked on it are fairly good. Some are terrible. But even when it works, it doesn't feel like Star Wars. It's a lot darker, a lot bloodier and even fits awkwardly with some of the other Expanded Universe stuff, let alone the movies. In terms of tone, it feels a lot more... well... I'm not quite sure... perhaps "Wing Commander" (from the fourth game onwards) than "Star Wars".

    3. Re:Why? by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Perhaps not enough opportunities for tie-in marketing in existing plot material?

      Because a lot more goes into movies then just finding a good plot. They do focus groups on what will sell this year. Which words and titles are most popular. This is about making money, not art. Ever wonder why we get 3 movies released at nearly the same time with very similar plots? How many asteroid destroys the earth movies can we squeeze into one year? This year the hot topic seems to be Artificial Intelligence. A few years ago it was the earth getting back at us for polluting. Then there was the alien invasion summer.

      How can they use existing plots when those books were written decades before anyone would do a focus group to know what the public was currently panicking about? Without targeting the publics flighty paranoia, how are you ever supposed to make money?

    4. Re:Why? by Noah+Haders · · Score: 2

      but it takes 2 or 3 years from story origination to opening day. do they do focus groups of precogs to see what people will be panicking about in the future?

  3. Jar Jar Abrams by MrDoh! · · Score: 2

    I'm sensing a disturbance in the force.

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  4. Spoiler Alert... by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    So stop reading if you haven't read the Thrawn Books. I liked them books, but I just wish they could have come up with a better solution then just killing him at the end. It seems every time they do something interesting they cop out later on when it's time to resolve it. It's like the writers can't figure out what could possibly be a threat to a Jedi, which is silly. Blasters in sufficient quantity are threat. Bounty Hunters are a threat. Hell, Aurra Sing freakin' _hunts_ Jedi. I always thought the Star Wars MMOs missed out on a cool end game where gangs of Bounty Hunters would hunt the Jedi in PvP mode.

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  5. And there was a great disturbance in the Force... by danaris · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...as if a million Star Wars EU geeks had suddenly cried out in terror, and then immediately took to the Internet to vent their rage.

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  6. But wait... by jddj · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...What about "Children of Star Wars"? What about "Star Wars Messiah"? Does Leia kill herself? Is Luke Atredies REALLY the Kwisatz Haderach?

    I realize this is George Lucas' universe, that he "made up myself", but come on, aren't there another nine books of story to tell?

    1. Re:But wait... by Carcass666 · · Score: 2

      Heh, Carrie Fisher might have a shot at pulling off a reverend mother superior. And, if you put Idaho Duncan in a stormtrooper uniform..

  7. Good. by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I grew up with the expanded universe, and it was good back then, but at this point it's super depressing. They've killed off a bunch of main characters (both from the films and the EU), and they've sketched out a future that makes it clear that there is no hopeful future in the EU, just an endless cycle of collapse and ruin.

  8. Re:"Expanded Universe"? by zippthorne · · Score: 2

    Officially licensed fan fiction.

    I think the real outrage is that they're breaking with the EU before they break the other fan fiction, a series of moves that oddly were written and directed by the original author himself....

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  9. Only logical that it's gone by Guru80 · · Score: 2

    Has anyone ever dug deeply into the EU "canon"...I haven't but just scratching the surface you see dozens of pieces of work that contradict another dozen pieces of work. If they were to even attempt to keep it they would have to dig through 30 years worth of works to figure out which half needs to go anyway.

  10. I have a much neater solution. by teslar · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone from the future travels to the past, changes something fundamental and the universe slips into an alternate reality from which it can never return and in which no event can be expected to unfold as it did in the original.

    Not only will this by definition never be inconsistent with the EU, it will give the writers ways of amusingly rehashing old stories by subtly altering some key elements things, like who gets to die of radiation while saving the crew. Maybe, in Episode VII, Luke will hack off Vader's hand?

    What?

  11. He did the same thing to star trek by Karmashock · · Score: 2

    they rebooted the universe... they blew up Vulcan... they have old spock as some kind of time traveler from a future that doesn't exist.

    Etc.

    So imagine if they do the same thing to star wars... You could see Tatooine blown up in the first movie. You could see a time traveling vador giving force advice to yoda or something. Who the hell knows.

    Generally not a fan of this sort of thing but it is what is happening.

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  12. Star Wars was never intended to be serious drama. by mmell · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Just to say - it was (IMHO) a romp - a chance for a bit of more or less mindless diversion from the routine workaday world some of us inhabit. George Lucas wasn't out to make a statement (Avatar, anyone?). He wasn't out to do serious drama (too many examples to cite). He wasn't out to do science fiction (practically no scientific credibility that it could ever have been or ever be what he depicted). It was fun. Lots of Battle of Britain style dogfights in space, because George Lucas had a liking for the old fighter pilot camera footage that was obtained during WW II. Ships in space don't fly like that.

    Okay, breaking continuity does make it harder to suspend disbelief. Most movie viewers can get over that within a few minutes, and I'm not really watching Star Wars for the dialog, social commentary, or even the technical predictions. I'm there to see the money shot, and hopefully a fun story to keep me from disbelieving while I wait for Luke's X-wing to fly down the trench. You know what impressed me even when I was a teenager? The fact that fast moving objects actually looked blurry, and that the Millennium Falcon was dirty. That was the first interstellar vessel I ever saw represented on film as having grease on the walls. Hell, there were even chrome (fuzzy) dice hanging from the rearview mirror, and it was the first time that I saw such incredible detail - detail which correctly got blurred when the viewpoint moved quickly. I just want the underlying story to not ruin my ability to suspend disbelief, so that I can enjoy the money shot.