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Australian Exploration Company Believes It May Have Found MH370 Wreckage

First time accepted submitter NapalmV (1934294) writes "Using technology designed to find nuclear warheads and submarines, an Adelaide-based exploration company believes it may have located the wreckage of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370. 'The company, GeoResonance, says its research has identified elements on the ocean floor consistent with material from a plane. Six weeks have now passed since the plane disappeared and extensive searches in the Indian Ocean have failed to locate any wreckage.'"

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  1. Does it make me a bad person... by Kenja · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that I simply don't care anymore? After weeks of CNN jumping at every bit of trash in the ocean, I simply do not care about this plane anymore. Toss a couple wreaths into the water and call it done.

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    1. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by magsol · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I didn't stop caring; I just stopped watching CNN.

      Truthfully, I stopped watching CNN years ago.

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    2. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by sconeu · · Score: 5, Interesting

      CNN's heyday was the First Gulf War. After that, it was all downhill.

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    3. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

      that I simply don't care anymore?

      Nah; heck, if not for the curiosity factor (loss of communications, stories about the 'weird' pilot, et. al), most people wouldn't have paid any more attention to it than any other plane crash.

      If anything, that just shows that you don't have a vested interest in the search, just like 6.999 billion other humans.

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    4. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm Indian and I don't give a shit.

    5. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by OffTheLip · · Score: 3, Insightful

      About the same time CNN decided the news "reader" was the story rather than what was being read. Just because some guy climbs under a table in his hotel room while continuing to speak in frightened, hushed tones does not a great newsman make. Now they are all personalities.

    6. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It also shows a total lack of empathy and curiosity. Typical of white people.

      Around 154,889 die every day. How much time do you spend on each of them? Or do you lack empathy and curiosity?

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    7. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there. The American stations are all still too capitalist. BBC rocks, but in the US, the market is limited. My own carrier refuses to carry it -- likely because they get paid not to. RT is nice, but is too Russia-centric. Also, the American news channels are nothing but spin. I want nothing but news. I don't want what YOU think happened. the BBC does such a great job. I'm saddened I cannot get their TV channel.

    8. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by lbmouse · · Score: 3, Funny

      I agree. A few of them will find their way off the island anyways.

    9. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      After weeks of CNN jumping at every bit of trash in the ocean, I simply do not care

      Yes, the degree to which one TV show has either increased or decreased your concern on the matter, that is an issue you need to work on. It should be entirely irrelevant.

      I plug '370' into Google News every few days and read a brief article on what's new. I'm interested to hear what happened, but systems failures are something of an esoteric interest of mine. I haven't had cable or satellite for years and the CNN live stream doesn't have any value to me. Last time I was at a relative's and they had it on it was all about Nancy Grace spouting self-righteous nonsense about some woman who killed her kids and non-stop ads for some sort of deodorant stick that you're supposed to put on your forehead if you got a headache. This told me to actively avoid CNN, not just casually avoid it.

      Today's news search also had Stephen King spouting off about CNN and abandoning all the searches because of CNN's coverage. I just figured that guys who write horror for a living have to be a bit unhinged in the first place.

      Anyway, nobody should allow themselves to be told what to care about by a television.

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    10. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yup. They act like Anderson Cooper is some sort of Doc Savage-ess superhero. It's nauseating, tiresome and profoundly uninformative. CNN sucks, and about the only thing it has going for it is that most network news in the US sucks, so it's more like a competitive contestant on the race to the bottom.

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    11. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by jimminy_cricket · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are not the sentences "There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there." and "Also, the American news channels are nothing but spin. I want nothing but news." in direct contradiction? Is not the very definition of "left-leaning" (or "right-leaning") equal to "spin"? If you desire spin-free news, you cannot also desire that it lean to the left (or right, or any other direction).

    12. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not true, really. By spin, I mean how Fox attacks Obama incessantly rather than report. How MSNBC attacks the right for being right. I'm not a liberal. I'm a leftist. I don't want left spin. I want the news reported for left-leaning people on left ideas, left happenings, left progress, that sort of thing. India has this type of news, for example.

    13. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is not a good left-leaning news channel out there. The American stations are all still too capitalist. BBC rocks

      I love this. I know the way it's written doesn't necessarily imply that the author believes the BBC is left-leaning, but it does come across that way. From your side of the pond I guess it probably is left-leaning by comparison to the range of news media you have available; the BBC charter, however, requires it to be politically independent, and it is monitored by OFWATCH to ensure neutrality.

    14. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What bothers me most about the saturation of mass tragedy coverage is how the media makes it seem as if such events are threatening to repeat themselves everywhere. This happens every time there's a school shooting. "Are your children safe?!? Tune it to find out how horribly your children may die AT ANY TIME!" When the fact is, your children are not in danger. If you do the math, there are almost 100,000 public schools in the US. There's an average of about 2 incidents of somebody firing a gun at a K-12 school each year. The average school year is 180 days. That means that 18,999,998 school days each year, the bell will ring in the morning, the bell will ring in the afternoon with not a shot fired. On two terrible, terrible days, a shooting occurs. It's awful. A terrible tragedy. But it's so incredibly, incredibly rare that there's basically nothing that can be done to stop it. Banning guns, arming teachers, mental health screening, whatever, is not going to stop 1-in-9-million events. And yet the "debate" will rage in the media for weeks until the next tragedy strikes.

      It's exhausting.

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    15. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Try NPR.

    16. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      No, you are meaning "spin" to mean viewpoint. He means left-leaning to mean issues important to left-leaning people, not "spun" in any direction. He seems quite clear on that point, and insistence on arguing makes the arguer look dumb for not understanding.

    17. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      You don't understand the difference between "leaning" and "biased". A left-leaning news channel might have more coverage of electric cars and windmills, but unbiased reporting of each. You don't need a "spin" or bias to better address some ideology. You just get more stories they are interested in.

      I want an unbiased horse-leaning channel. Horse have issues too. That doesn't mean it has to have some pro-horse agenda and spin, but that the coverage is things interesting to horses and fans of horses, whatever that is.

    18. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      If you desire spin-free news

      Then you better go places and see for yourself. You can't get spin-free news on electronic media. Quantum physics 101!

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    19. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2

      There was a lot of leftism going on in the 19th century without state-owned and controlled media - at least not owned and controlled by any leftist government. If it "pretty much requires" that, you're left with a bootstrapping conundrum. Also, you're apparently confusing leftism and Stalinism. A common mistake, but still an unfortunate one.

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    20. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by rbrander · · Score: 2

      That's not consistent with the statement (not one you made; your post is internally consistent) that "America is a center-right nation" - a statement that gets broad agreement from all news outlets, I think. Certainly Fox reminds its viewers of that fact (or claim) whenever the R party has a bad day at the polls, and you can find the sentiment in CNN and MSNBC reportage (and many papers) as well.

      If America is a "centre-right nation" - certainly it has a Gini number (measure of inequality) out of step with the rest of the developed West, a military budget that stands out as way different, and tax structures on high incomes that are different -- then reportage that most American news outlets would describe as "left leaning" would be "dead centre" in (almost all) other Western developed nations....which have a total population comfortably in excess of America's.

      I mention other nations because the original post praised the BBC; this also clarifies the one respondent's complaint that the BBC is hardly "left leaning" but takes pains to be neutral. (I *can* get BBC here in Canada, where I would also say that the CBC, CTV, and Global networks here would all be described as "left leaning coverage" by most Americans...but we don't see it that way. I saw Paul Krugman worked over politely but very critically by a panel of three commentators on the BBC, who were all pretty skeptical of his negative views on Austerity; he gave as good as he got, but nobody would call it a lefty spin session.)

      And I have to add that the almost universally recognized as "right-leaning" channel, Fox News, describes itself, not as right-leaning, but as Fair and Balanced - with pretty explicit statements by many of their staff that ALL other outlets are left-leaning so they have to step in an provide a truly factual, neutral viewpoint to serve the public better...but in a few cases (Jon Stewart I think?) their staff have been gotcha'd in conversation stating that they really are quite right-leaning...as a necessary counter-balance, of course, to all that leftism on every other channel.

      Some other posters here seem to be attempting a discrimination between "leaning" as in editorial statements and as in their choice of WHAT topics to cover, purely factually. That is, you can be strictly factual about stories of "voter fraud" or "racist comments by old white men", while giving what many would call extreme amounts of airtime to a given topic, given its impact on the world.

      I'm sure many would call me "left leaning" for stating my opinion that the "Democracy Now" program by Amy Goodman et all is pretty good at sticking to facts - it's their list of topic choices that differs from most other media. It's hard to call the Annenberg School for Communications a biased source, they're very highly respected (and the Annenberg's were the Reagan's best friends), and their dean remarked: "She's not an editorialist. She sticks to the facts... She provides points of view that make you think, and she comes at it by saying: 'Who are we not hearing from in the traditional media?"

      I would say that BOTH editorial positions and choice of topics are both ways to lean; and indeed the news-topic way of leaning is more insidious than outright opinion, because people have their guard up more when opinion is clearly rather than implicitly the source of the content.

    21. Re:Does it make me a bad person... by sjames · · Score: 2

      It does not require propaganda any more than any other political orientation. You're just accustomed to the U.S. propaganda.

  2. jim stone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    There is absolutely no doubt that flight 370 was electronically hijacked and flown through the Maldives and on to Diego Garcia. There is also no doubt that there was a plan to use at least the image of flight 370 to crash the nuclear summit in Belgium and blame it on Iran, and that the Dutch intercepted the crash craft before it arrived. This report is documented accurate. There will be a lot here, briefly discussed that you have not seen before. If you were looking for a concise report that will give a clear picture, this sums it all up.

    1. Re:jim stone by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      Your analysis intrigues me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

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      Is that you, McAfee?

  3. For real this time? by ketomax · · Score: 2

    What about the pings they received near the current search area? It was said to be consistent with that of a black box. With all the contradictory news around, I don't think I can believe this until they have proof for sure.

    1. Re:For real this time? by OneAhead · · Score: 5, Informative

      The pings are relatively hard evidence because nothing else could have made them (except, for the conspiracy theorists among us, a submarine deliberately spoofing the signal emitted by black boxes). Also, they are consistent with the satellite data. Finding chemical elements that are used in the construction of airplanes off the coast of Bangladesh, which is very polluted and in a general area where ships are being scrapped on the beaches? Neither hard evidence nor consistent. Free advertisement for GeoResonance, that's all what this is.

    2. Re:For real this time? by PPH · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yes. The next step I'd take is to dip a 37 kHz pinger down to the bottom at a number of locations, measure the received audio signature and build an acoustic model of the area. Then run the actual pinger data back through the model and generate a probability map of where it might be located.

      Only problem with this approach: thermoclines change. And we don't have good models for how they do.

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  4. So what? by PvtVoid · · Score: 2

    Big deal. Courtney love says she found it, too. I think her diagram might be even better.

    1. Re:So what? by PPH · · Score: 5, Funny

      Courtney Love did indeed spot wreckage. But she was looking in a mirror.

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  5. Tech used? by Alsee · · Score: 2

    Does anyone have any info on what sort of tech this company is using? From the little info in the article I get the impression they are using satellite images? I'm rather skeptical that surface images can pick up elemental signals from the sea floor at substantial depth.

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    1. Re:Tech used? by fremsley471 · · Score: 4, Informative

      They are using a vary basic form of technology called bullshit. 100%, unrefined. It's impossible to do what they say from 'satellite images'. If they had a large fleet of low-flying aircraft with extraordinarily sensitive magnetometers, it may just be possible. From orbit? Complete and utter bollocks.

  6. So close to the shore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In the Bay of Bengal? One of the most polluted areas of ocean imaginable? The area where ships and planes are scrapped? My money is on a false positive.

  7. Oops. Our bad... by funwithBSD · · Score: 4, Funny

    It was just some guy and his lady in a 30's prop job on the bottom of the ocean.

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  8. Physics Rules! by BoRegardless · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Using sensors which can pick signatures over time (bother before and after the crash) of various metals, like aluminum, titanium and steel (radiation as in spectrophotomry), sounds like the type of info you need. Getting it out of satellite info from orbit is a bit of a surprise to me.

    What this indicated, from the article, to me is that the military has far higher capabilities than I ever thought.

  9. *I* may have found MH370 wreckage by T.E.D. · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I just looked in my trashcan here at work, an I may have found MH370 wreckage. Almost certainly I have not, but still I may have.

    Until confirmed one way or the other, CNN should really send a team over to my office to report on the movements of the neighborhood dogs.

  10. Re:I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage by T.E.D. · · Score: 4, Informative

    I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage. I mean, none has been found. With the technology we have

    To horrendously misquote Douglas Adams:

    The ocean is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to the ocean.

  11. Re:Reality? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In fact, I went and looked on their references, the closest to this task seems to be their claim of finding the sunken hospital ship Armenia in the Black Sea in 2005. A quick Googling on it turns out a 2013 interview of archeologists STILL seeking the ship Armenia. So I think we can safely call this hoax debunked.

  12. Re:Reality? by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 2
    Not only that, note this juicy bit:

    Scientists focused their efforts north of the flight’s last known location, using over 20 technologies to analyse the data including a nuclear reactor.

    How exactly do you use a nuclear reactor in precision remote sensing of metals through two kilometers of water is a mystery to me. Oh, did they say analyze? They must have some kind of nucleonic computer to process the data instead of our ordinary electronic ones, I presume. That would make sense, of course you'd need a nuclear reactor for that, right?

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  13. silly troll, there was no flight 370 by swschrad · · Score: 2

    it's all a made-for-TV movie. you are not an extra, no $100.

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  14. Pseudoscience? by Captain_Chaos · · Score: 2

    I'm not convinced about the scientific integrity of this company. What they claim to be able to do sounds very vague, shady and too good to be true and there's a telling lack of concrete facts about how their technique works. The "learn more about GeoResonance technology" page is conveniently "under construction". The brief summary states they use:

    • Earth Remote Sensing.
    • Multispectral imaging.
    • Gamma irradiation.
    • Radiation chemistry.
    • NMR spectroscopy.
    • Proprietary know-how.

    Sounds a lot like pseudoscientific technobabble to me, absent more details. I'm getting a hint of Steorn here...

    1. Re:Pseudoscience? by Ultracrepidarian · · Score: 2

      Decades ago, my uncle who spent his life chasing one get-rich-quick scheme or another was telling me of his latest investment opportunity.

      He had invested with a man who had built a device that could be pointed at a hillside and provide a readout of the proportions of the various elements within. Considering the possibilities of magnetic resonance, I was ready to grant his story a bit of credence. When he then told me you could take a photograph of a hillside and the same device could make the same analysis, he lost me entirely.

      On a side note, they never did locate the Lost Dutchman mine.

      Now let's spice it up a bit with secret Soviet era technology and a little multi-spectral satellite imagery. Would you like to buy a few shares?

  15. Re:What is this, the tenth time? by FirstNoel · · Score: 2

    Don't be. Australia is an awesome country. Assholes are everywhere. Anytime there is a disaster, the snake-oil salesmen will be out in force to huck their miracle cures.

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  16. Re:Reality? by EvanED · · Score: 2

    Nah, everyone who believes in homeopathy knew the truth right away: you just have to wait a while for the plane to diffuse around, and then even a teaspoon of ocean water will contain enough black box information to solve the mystery. That the "disappearance" hasn't been solved yet is just continuing evidence of the establishment's biases against reality.

  17. "spin" implies falsehood, or at least bias by Chirs · · Score: 2

    While I agree that it would be best for everyone to get unbiased news across the political spectrum, there is a difference between leftist (or rightist) "news" and "spin".

    To me, "spin" implies falsehood, or at least heavily biased reporting. On the other hand, it would be possible do completely unbiased reporting of news that is of interest to those on the left (or right).

  18. Re:Here's the news story I want to see.... by bobbied · · Score: 2

    Well, in this case, much of this information WOULD have been uploaded, had the airline coughed up the yearly fee of about 15K per aircraft. Air France pays the fees, but Malaysian airlines apparently doesn't.

    Everything but the law is already here.

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  19. Re:The most interesting point - Different area by jrumney · · Score: 2

    So if this new position turns out to be correct, what was that ping?

    The Chinese saving face after they'd announced a few days earlier that they'd detected a ping, and noone else that looked in the same area had found it.

  20. Re:I am just amazed at the total lack of wreckage by FireFury03 · · Score: 2

    WTF is a chemist? Was this Adams guy a meth head?

    English... learn it some time.