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GNU Mailman 3 Enters Beta
GNU Mailman, likely the most popular mailing list manager in use today, has finally announced the release of a beta for version 3. GNU Mailman 3.0 is a major rewrite, features include a central server with a REST API replacing the dozen or two programs that manipulated Mailman data directly, a shiny new web fron end (Postorius), and a new archiver (HyperKitty). Fedora is already using the new archiver and interface, which is quite a bit more modern looking than Mailman 2.x's interface (wayback machine link for posterity). Individual message thread views are greatly improved, and you can even reply from the web by logging in with your list credentials. If you'd like to try it out, see the announcement message.
It seems to work fine with JavaScript disabled. In fact, in my opinion it's better that way because it doesn't have the animated cr*p that the JavaScript-kiddies think is so kewl but is really rather pointless and distracting.
It seems to work just fine without it as far as I can tell. Some features may require JavaScript, but the overall experience should work without it.
but does it run on HURD?
> It seems to work just fine without it as far as I can tell
No, it doesn't (thread links below article just show a twirling thingie waiting for the XMLHTTPRequest to do its thing). I'd provide you with a link, but the server is down.
Reading the page code, it's just intended that way. I don't know whether it's built-in to Mailman or just the web designers going overboard.
I tried the Fedora installation and after 3 clicks I already a Server Error (HTTP 500) on this page: https://lists.stg.fedoraprojec...
(No, I won't post a ticket. I have more interesting things to do today)
Oh, yes that appears to be the case. That's sad.
JavaScript is not evil when used properly. True, it is one of the worst ever designed languages, but presently it is the only available DOM manipulation language included in all browsers.
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Evidence?
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Man, this thing is killer fast!
This needs to go back to the drawing board, at least as far as the mail archive functions are concerned. There is no practical way to easily browse threads by date or subject. That and the new layout has acres of wasted space.
V2 is far from perfect, but it is a much better start and they need to go back to it rather than proceed with the mistake they've made. Maybe under the hood is ok but the UI is not.
Any idea where the REST API documentation is? I can't seem to find it anywhere.
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FTW!!!!
As always, if you can't design an interface than Twitter Bootstrap, then use Twitter Bootstrap.
-- I was raised on the command line, bitch
That reminds me of the blink html tag in the old days. Yes, I'm getting old.
It is still missing LDAP support for list *owners*. AFAICS if you use LDAP for authentication, that means all list *members* must validate through LDAP, which is exactly the wrong way round. What I need is to enforce list *owners* to be members of my university (ie they appear in AD and can only login with their campus credentials), whereas list *members* (subscribers) can be from anywhere. Or have I missed something?
Looking at this page with Seamonkey has so much fail. Text blocks overlapping other text blocks, and the body text is a fixed-width item, so when your default font size is large or you zoom your browser, it gets a horizontal scroll bar. Seriously, fixed-width layouts should die. Also, why is "newer thread" on the left, and "older thread" on the right, and not the other way around?
https://lists.stg.fedoraprojec...
Really, all I wanted is for messages from people with mailers that didn't understand the concept of keeping e-mail to 80 columns or less (I think Outlook has been a major offender) not to be a mile wide because of how pre tags don't wrap long lines. I didn't want all this web 2.0 crap.
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i see the cool hyperkitty demo at fedora, but what about postorious? what does it look like?
it would be great if the overly confusing interface of mailman would be simplified...
Semantics is the gravity of abstraction
...mailman-announce is using it.
. The interface is a mess. It is counter intuitive. I can't believe there aren't better options around.
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Does it mail DMARC-compliant? Mailinglist operators were complaining like the world fell down a few weeks ago.
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Rest API? Is the programmer daft? If he's rewriting it, he might as well use standards ... unless he is an RMS relative ... then .. well, there's a bridge he can jump ...