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A Look at Smart Gun Technology

An anonymous reader writes "Engadget takes a look at smart gun technology currently available and what the future might hold. From the article: 'While the idea of a gun that couldn't be turned on its owner seems like an obvious win for everyone involved, there are a number of problems with the concept. Chief among those worries: the safety mechanism will fail when it's needed most. If you're relying on a weapon for defense, the last thing you want is another avenue for failure. Electronics aren't perfect. Sometimes cameras can't autofocus. Cable boxes freeze up when browsing the channel guide. The equivalent, seemingly small glitch in a smart gun could be the difference between life and death.'"

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  1. Re:And any idiot with a soldering iron can bypass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because I can get a decent handgun for about 500 bucks, or I can buy a $2000 smart gun and ruin it with my soldering iron?

    I wouldn't mind buying a smart gun if it was a good, quality firearm. Choices are good. I just don't want it to be the only kind of gun I can get.

    You know The Party will demand a killswitch on your smart gun, right? And telemetry metadata on where the gun has been. Perhaps a smart round that the gun owner must digitally sign with two-factor.

  2. Flawed reasoning by GlobalEcho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the last thing you want is another avenue for failure

    That's not a very bright statement. What you should wish to avoid is for something bad to happen. One way that can happen is indeed for a gun to fail when it needs to work, but there are others, for example having an unseen companion assailant seize the gun and shoot you with it.

    It's all about the probabilities of various scenarios, and anyone failing to incorporate that that in their evaluation is not worth listening to. (For the record, I have no opinion about what those probabilities are, but live in such a safe place that I don't consider bothering with a gun.)

  3. Re:And any idiot with a soldering iron can bypass by tthomas48 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    [bad guy disarms person with smart gun] "Wait, hang on"... [he pulls out soldering iron]... "I'm gonna shoot you".... [soldering].... "hey where are you going?"

  4. Life or death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This probably isn't going to be a popular post but as someone who lives in a country where guns aren't allowed, having a gun or not is not a difference of life and death. Like not even remotely.

    That sentence makes it sound like where the poster lives he has to deal with gun violence daily. Like going to a supermarket might have you end up in a gunfight where you better be prepared to go Rambo on someone's ass.

    That's not a place I'd want to live in and luckily I don't.

    Surely this is scaremongering right? Or does anyone actually worry about such scenarios on a daily basis?

  5. When police and military start using them . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'll start using "smart" guns when the police and military issue them as primary guns. Any reason for those organizations to use or reject them applies to the citizens.

  6. This is a solution in search of a problem. by Lord+Kano · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Gun enthusiasts have no interest in this technology. Who wants something that will reduce reliability and increase price?

    The only people pushing for it are those who dislike the idea of civilian firearm ownership.

    That's more than enough to make me suspicious.

    LK

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    1. Re:This is a solution in search of a problem. by KermodeBear · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to be conspiratorial, but here we go. The first step is to have "smart" guns that will only fire when in the hands of the owner. The second step is to require all firearms to be "smart" guns. The third step is, for everyone's safety, to combat crime, and of course for the children, is to require that all smart guns now have a kill switch. That way the government can safely disable a criminal's firearm.

      Since people like Bloomberg are unable to remove firearms from the populace entirely (right now), this is the kind of thing they will push for because it will effectively give them the control they want.

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  7. a sign of lack of seriousness by fche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A sign that all this legal posturing is not about what it claims is the perpetual exemption of law enforcement from being subjected to technological gun-tracing / -smartening efforts. The lives of police are no more important than ordinary citizens'. If it's not good enough for the boys and girls in blue, it's not good enough for civilians. After all, civilians are almost always closer to the place & time of crime than the police.

  8. Cops Won't Carry 'Em, Neither Will I by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Should that battery die, the gun could fail to fire. In fact, most models designed for civilian use are designed to fail if the battery dies. It's been suggested that smart guns designed for law enforcement should automatically disable the safety if the battery dies.

    If a government agent won't carry a default-LOCKED "smart" weapon, why should anyone else have to? The people pushing for such mandates apparently slept through Civics class.

    How about this: If a person wants to buy a "smart" gun, let them; if a person wants to buy a regular gun, let them. If a person wants to use any weapon of any kind to harm another in a non-defensive manner, let them suffer the previously agreed-upon social consequences (i.e., jail time, fines, death, etc.). Thus freedom is preserved, and only those who are actually guilty of harming others are punished, rather than the population as a whole.

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  9. An engineer's perspective by Smerta · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was recruited by a company working in this area, to help them fix their electronics & firmware. Seemed like the classic case of a product that started as a prototype by one guy in the company as a side-project or skunkworks, then management saw a bandwagon they should jump on.

    The quality of the engineering was horrible. Most of my work is in safety-critical or life-critical applications, and I've seen it all, from poor to excellent, but this was appalling. Needless to say, I ran! (Yes, I see the jokes coming a mile away). But seriously, I was worried about getting sued if somebody got injured, and even worse, I was worried about somebody getting injured or killed by defective electronics or firmware. This isn't the kind of industry I work in anyway, but I thought I'd give it a look out of curiosity, and man was I shocked.

    I know this is anecdotal, YMMV, blah blah blah... just thought I'd provide a little "real world" insight based on my (admittedly very limited) experience and exposure.

  10. Re:And any idiot with a soldering iron can bypass by nyet · · Score: 5, Informative

    From the user manual for the Armatix iP1:

    "The iP1 pistol is intended for target shooting only and will not function if it is not within 10" of the referenced iW1
    wristwatch and the PIN code entered, or it or the referenced iW1 wristwatch do not have sufficient battery power, or
    communication between them is blocked. It should not be relied upon for purposes of self-defense."

  11. Re:Camera gun by Spritzer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Let me sum the whole argument up. The 2nd amendment is often misinterpreted to mean that a militia is required for gun ownership. In fact, it is the opposite. Guns are required in order to have a militia. Put into simplified modern language, the amendment reads "Because we need a well regulated militia, we must ensure that the people have a right to carry weapons".

    In other words, the militia is not a condition for gun ownership. Gun ownership is a condition for having a militia.