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Air Force Prepares to Dismantle HAARP

First time accepted submitter registrations_suck (1075251) writes in with news about the dismantling of the HAARP project. The U.S. Air Force gave official notice to Congress Wednesday that it intends to dismantle the $300 million High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program in Gakona this summer. The shutdown of HAARP, a project created by the late Sen. Ted Stevens when he wielded great control over the U.S. defense budget, will start after a final research experiment takes place in mid-June, the Air Force said in a letter to Congress Tuesday. While the University of Alaska has expressed interest in taking over the research site, which is off the Tok Cutoff, in an area where black spruce was cleared a quarter-century ago for the Air Force Backscatter radar project that was never completed. But the school has not volunteered to pay $5 million a year to run HAARP. Responding to questions from Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski during a Senate hearing Wednesday, David Walker, deputy assistant secretary of the Air Force for Science, Technology and Engineering, said this is 'not an area that we have any need for in the future' and it would not be a good use of Air Force research funds to keep HAARP going. 'We're moving on to other ways of managing the ionosphere, which the HAARP was really designed to do,' he said. 'To inject energy into the ionosphere to be able to actually control it. But that work has been completed.' Comments of that sort have given rise to endless conspiracy theories, portraying HAARP as a super weapon capable of mind control or weather control, with enough juice to trigger hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes."

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  1. Oh no by oobayly · · Score: 5, Funny

    What excuse will all the conspiracy theory lunatics use to explain rainbows now?

    Warning - watching these may cause severe face-palming
    The 2nd one is my favourite, a rainbow from a sprinkler - the horror.

    1. Re:Oh no by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh that is easy, they will simply claim that HAARP was never dismantled, it was just moved to a dark site, or the moon.

    2. Re:Oh no by RabidReindeer · · Score: 5, Funny

      What excuse will all the conspiracy theory lunatics use to explain rainbows now?

      Military Unicorns.

    3. Re:Oh no by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't worry, my friend, these people won't let them do that!

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    4. Re:Oh no by rasmusbr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, the government is way beyond HAARP now. Some of the chemtrails that they spew out are probably seeded with quantum nano transmitters that inject negative frequencies directly into the ionosphere...

    5. Re:Oh no by jythie · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, NASA never did, but after we invaded iraq to gain back control of the stargate there we can start shifting things to the moon that way.

      Humans are incapable of accomplishing anything, but there is plenty of alien tech to make up for our scientific incompetence.

    6. Re:Oh no by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

      What excuse will all the conspiracy theory lunatics use to explain rainbows now?

      Military Unicorns.

      Only North Korea has militarized unicorns.

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    7. Re:Oh no by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well the US better get its ass in gear then, gentlemen!

      We can't allow a Unicorn Gap!

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    8. Re:Oh no by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      quantum nano transmitters

      I sell a room air filter that removes quantum nano transmitters. $300 special this month - contact me.

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    9. Re:Oh no by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      Why would they need to do that? The summery says they have other ways to "manage" the ionosphere now.

    10. Re:Oh no by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the new stuff is smaller. And they managed to put it on the Internet so it doesn't have be located way the hell out there in Alaska. That's what Ms. Murkowski's staffer told her anyway.

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    11. Re:Oh no by LoRdTAW · · Score: 2

      Com on, this is N. Korea we are talking about. They are nothing more than spray painted horses with a fake horn screwed to their skulls.

    12. Re:Oh no by jerel · · Score: 2

      Dangerous levels of dihydrogen monoxide! The government needs to protect us! Billions of dollars spent by this industry to make sure every home has a constant supply, exposing our children in ways that sometimes end in death! Read more here: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html You have been warned!!

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  2. Terrible summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Sage for an a summary which blabs on and on and on without explaining what HARP is.

    I don't care that "Lisa Murkowski during a Senate hearing Wednesday, David Walker, deputy assistant secretary of the Air Force for Science, Technology and Engineering"

    Learn some editing skills and tell me what it is!

  3. The silence for the Whales will be deafening by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 2

    About time...

    I've always thought with all the evidence of HAARP damaging the Whales many heredity traits, they should of been shut down a very long time ago.

    1. Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, those must be really high flying whales. When they fall from up there, it would very likely be very damaging.

    2. Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening by Ambitwistor · · Score: 5, Funny

      And wow! Hey! Whatâ(TM)s this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like ⦠ow ⦠ound ⦠round ⦠ground! Thatâ(TM)s it! Thatâ(TM)s a good name â" ground!

      I wonder if it will be friends with me?

      And the rest, after a sudden wet thud, was silence.

  4. Re:Weather control by Sockatume · · Score: 3

    Cloud seeding doesn't manipulate the ionosphere.

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  5. Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid by Sockatume · · Score: 2

    "Slightly different" in this case being the difference between a large outdoor facility countless miles away in Alaska, and literally clamping a mains-powered instrument to the side of your skull.

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  6. Cameras are too easy to use now by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even conspiracy theory morons can figure them out and this is the result. There should be a mandatory IQ test before anyone is allowed to use any technology or access the internet.

  7. Truth is HAARP is no longer needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Have you seen how many cellphone towers are out there ? HAARP is no longer cost effective to manipulate human behavior. The scattered microwave signal can be broadcasted with lower power with the cell phone tower infrastructure. HAARP had many other uses. It's first test was to see if the ionosphere could be charged artificially instead of waiting for the sun to do it. They were successful but it took a lot of energy. Next test... microwave scatter radiation to manipulate human behavior. The affect was stumbled upon by accident, much in the same way the microwave oven was invented. Sometimes I wonder if some of the senseless violence we that occurs... such as Sandy Point and other shootings, is influenced by tests like this.

  8. Project done? by SJ · · Score: 2

    If the military don't want something any more, it usually means 1 of 3 things.

    - 1. They are no longer interested as they have something better.
    - 2. They have finished their research and have succeeded in weaponising/miniaturising it.
    - 3. The people that set it up and were milking the cash have all gone and the new guys can't work out what it does or how it works any more.

    1. Re:Project done? by Ambitwistor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or:

      - 4. Didn't turn out to be all that useful for routine military applications, despite earlier hopes.

  9. Re:Weather control by chill · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, it isn't. Weather occurs in the troposphere, the layer of the atmosphere closest to the earth, extending up to between 7 - 20 km above ground level. About 80% of the mass of the atmosphere is here.

    The ionosphere is about 0.1% of the mass of the atmosphere, starting from about 90 km above ground level and continuing to between 500 - 1,000 km above ground level.

    Educate yourself a little. Science is a beautiful thing.

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  10. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Insightful
    You don't understand the immense inertia of political pork. To put it in perspective, political pork has is the organizational equivalent of neutronium. One it comes into existence and starts moving, it is almost impossible to stop.

    Remember that this was the turf of Alaska US Senator Ted Stevens. He was the longest serving Republican Senator in US history, being in the senate from 1978 to 2008. He died in a plane crash in 2010. He was also involved with the infamous freeway to nowhere.

    That's why HAARP lasted so long. Even dieing is not sufficient grounds for ending a major pork event. A big time pork wrangler has to be gone and in the ground for a few years before anyone is willing to interfere with with the money flow. (Note: this is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. The "Big Dig" in Boston was a monument to the pork prowess of Ted Kennedy.)

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  11. Re:This doesn't add up... by rioki · · Score: 2

    And in the case of a University, the labor is mostly free. Free as in grad and postgrad students working there.

  12. Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mind control, huh? Can you point me towards anything that resembles mind control, just a tiny bit?

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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  13. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    There is a rumor up here in Alaska that suggests one of the reasons they want to shut down HAARP and a few other expensive but useless projects is to funnel money into the Ted Stevens Resurrection Effort. Initial experiments were hopeful: They scraped some stuff off the crash site and managed to grow a bunch of confused mosquitos and one pissed off moose. Then the funding ran out.

    Life here has just not been the same since Uncle Teddy left us.

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  14. Re:What does this mean? by LWATCDR · · Score: 3

    "Does anyone here know how and for what purposes we manage the ionosphere?"

    Yes but if they told you they would have to kill you.....

    Actually it is simple, RF propagation.
    For communications, sigint, comint, and radar. Yes the radar would have to use lower bands than the typical microwave but HF and even VHF radar is nothing new and is returning to popularity thanks to stealth.

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  15. Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you post something insane, don't expect people to spend a lot of time on you. The only asshole here is you.

  16. Re:What does this mean? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

    Ah, interesting. Do you mean they bounce such signals off the ionosphere? If so, how does that require management of the ionosphere?

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  17. Re:Weather control by jtnix · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Excellent! You've established that the ionosphere is higher than the troposphere where the weather develops and occurs.

    Now, imagine think of the ionosphere as the lens between the sun and the earth and HAARP as a tool to control the focal point of this lens.

    Think about that for more than a minute, you're a smart cracker!

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  18. Re:What does this mean? by bemenaker · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.nrl.navy.mil/resear... http://www.nrl.navy.mil/search... http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/... HAARP was used for all kinds of testing related to the ionosphere. Looks like the Navy's initial interest was trying to use the ionosphere to send messages to submarines.

  19. Re: Weather control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, it is rather distinct from anything on the scale of "World modification" as something as large and power hungry as HAARP only modified a tiny volume of the ionosphere. The idea wasn't to make the whole ionosphere behave in a convenient way, but to make a small patch just large enough to reflect a targeted communication or radar beam. What if they make a mistake? That is like asking what if a kid splashing at a beach on a reservoir takes out the dam that is holding back that reservoir.