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Air Force Prepares to Dismantle HAARP

First time accepted submitter registrations_suck (1075251) writes in with news about the dismantling of the HAARP project. The U.S. Air Force gave official notice to Congress Wednesday that it intends to dismantle the $300 million High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program in Gakona this summer. The shutdown of HAARP, a project created by the late Sen. Ted Stevens when he wielded great control over the U.S. defense budget, will start after a final research experiment takes place in mid-June, the Air Force said in a letter to Congress Tuesday. While the University of Alaska has expressed interest in taking over the research site, which is off the Tok Cutoff, in an area where black spruce was cleared a quarter-century ago for the Air Force Backscatter radar project that was never completed. But the school has not volunteered to pay $5 million a year to run HAARP. Responding to questions from Alaska Sen. Lisa Murkowski during a Senate hearing Wednesday, David Walker, deputy assistant secretary of the Air Force for Science, Technology and Engineering, said this is 'not an area that we have any need for in the future' and it would not be a good use of Air Force research funds to keep HAARP going. 'We're moving on to other ways of managing the ionosphere, which the HAARP was really designed to do,' he said. 'To inject energy into the ionosphere to be able to actually control it. But that work has been completed.' Comments of that sort have given rise to endless conspiracy theories, portraying HAARP as a super weapon capable of mind control or weather control, with enough juice to trigger hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes."

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  1. Oh no by oobayly · · Score: 5, Funny

    What excuse will all the conspiracy theory lunatics use to explain rainbows now?

    Warning - watching these may cause severe face-palming
    The 2nd one is my favourite, a rainbow from a sprinkler - the horror.

    1. Re:Oh no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Now they're taking away rainbows?? This administration has gone too far.

    2. Re:Oh no by jythie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh that is easy, they will simply claim that HAARP was never dismantled, it was just moved to a dark site, or the moon.

    3. Re:Oh no by RabidReindeer · · Score: 5, Funny

      What excuse will all the conspiracy theory lunatics use to explain rainbows now?

      Military Unicorns.

    4. Re:Oh no by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't worry, my friend, these people won't let them do that!

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    5. Re:Oh no by rasmusbr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, the government is way beyond HAARP now. Some of the chemtrails that they spew out are probably seeded with quantum nano transmitters that inject negative frequencies directly into the ionosphere...

    6. Re:Oh no by jythie · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well, NASA never did, but after we invaded iraq to gain back control of the stargate there we can start shifting things to the moon that way.

      Humans are incapable of accomplishing anything, but there is plenty of alien tech to make up for our scientific incompetence.

    7. Re:Oh no by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

      What excuse will all the conspiracy theory lunatics use to explain rainbows now?

      Military Unicorns.

      Only North Korea has militarized unicorns.

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    8. Re:Oh no by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well the US better get its ass in gear then, gentlemen!

      We can't allow a Unicorn Gap!

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    9. Re:Oh no by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 2

      quantum nano transmitters

      I sell a room air filter that removes quantum nano transmitters. $300 special this month - contact me.

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    10. Re:Oh no by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      Why would they need to do that? The summery says they have other ways to "manage" the ionosphere now.

    11. Re:Oh no by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Yeah, the new stuff is smaller. And they managed to put it on the Internet so it doesn't have be located way the hell out there in Alaska. That's what Ms. Murkowski's staffer told her anyway.

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    12. Re:Oh no by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I'm just wondering what the heck iAnnotates in our water supply
      What the heck is in our oxygen supply
      That creates a rainbow effect in sprinklers?
      What is oozing out of our ground
      That allows this type of effect to happen?
      It's not just around our sun and our moon any more
      Everywhere we look, the visible spectrum, is rainbows
      This cannot be natural
      We as a nation have got to ask ourselves
      What the hell is going on?
      What is oozing out of our ground?

      I love it. One of my favorites of all time.

    13. Re:Oh no by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Everyone's heard of the dark site of the moon. It won't be a secret for long.

    14. Re:Oh no by benjfowler · · Score: 1

      Thanks, Obama.

    15. Re:Oh no by LoRdTAW · · Score: 2

      Com on, this is N. Korea we are talking about. They are nothing more than spray painted horses with a fake horn screwed to their skulls.

    16. Re:Oh no by natophonic · · Score: 1

      Of course, the whole point of a Military Unicorn is lost, if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world!?

    17. Re:Oh no by jerel · · Score: 1

      Sure would like to git me some of them quantum nano-thingys and their negative frequencies! (Um. uh, just whut is a negative frequency?)

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    18. Re:Oh no by jerel · · Score: 1

      Don't matter just so long as it's not made in China! That kind lets through all the gummint stuff and filters out the rest!

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    19. Re:Oh no by jerel · · Score: 2

      Dangerous levels of dihydrogen monoxide! The government needs to protect us! Billions of dollars spent by this industry to make sure every home has a constant supply, exposing our children in ways that sometimes end in death! Read more here: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html You have been warned!!

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    20. Re:Oh no by rasmusbr · · Score: 1

      Sure would like to git me some of them quantum nano-thingys and their negative frequencies! (Um. uh, just whut is a negative frequency?)

      Well, the government and the scientific establishment want you to think that it's merely a mathematical concept used in frequency analysis...

    21. Re:Oh no by AstroSurf · · Score: 1

      > just moved to a dark site

      And they'll be right! Actually, "other ways to manage" probably means they've found a way to dramatically cost-reduce (and miniaturize) the ionosphere-controlling device. Something to fit on one of the big ships. Yeah, that's the ticket.

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  2. Terrible summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Sage for an a summary which blabs on and on and on without explaining what HARP is.

    I don't care that "Lisa Murkowski during a Senate hearing Wednesday, David Walker, deputy assistant secretary of the Air Force for Science, Technology and Engineering"

    Learn some editing skills and tell me what it is!

    1. Re:Terrible summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      From the summary:

      High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program

      They even had a link....

    2. Re:Terrible summary by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

      I think he meant HARTZ flea dip.

  3. Weather control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It is possible to control the weather through manipulating the ionosphere. Cloud seeding is certainly done, China are quite open about it but in the west it's considered a conspiracy theory

    1. Re:Weather control by Sockatume · · Score: 3

      Cloud seeding doesn't manipulate the ionosphere.

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    2. Re:Weather control by chill · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, it isn't. Weather occurs in the troposphere, the layer of the atmosphere closest to the earth, extending up to between 7 - 20 km above ground level. About 80% of the mass of the atmosphere is here.

      The ionosphere is about 0.1% of the mass of the atmosphere, starting from about 90 km above ground level and continuing to between 500 - 1,000 km above ground level.

      Educate yourself a little. Science is a beautiful thing.

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    3. Re:Weather control by jtnix · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Excellent! You've established that the ionosphere is higher than the troposphere where the weather develops and occurs.

      Now, imagine think of the ionosphere as the lens between the sun and the earth and HAARP as a tool to control the focal point of this lens.

      Think about that for more than a minute, you're a smart cracker!

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    4. Re: Weather control by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Weatherwarfare dot worldatwar dot info? Seems legit.

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    5. Re: Weather control by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      You understand that the people that blog is citing as evidence for the conspiracy theory, are the originators of the conspiracy theory, yes?

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    6. Re: Weather control by caveqat101 · · Score: 1

      Yes, its called geo-engeering. World modification. But, what if they make a mistake? Whereto you fall back to? Just a question? So why aren't they supporting off world missions by humans?

    7. Re: Weather control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, it is rather distinct from anything on the scale of "World modification" as something as large and power hungry as HAARP only modified a tiny volume of the ionosphere. The idea wasn't to make the whole ionosphere behave in a convenient way, but to make a small patch just large enough to reflect a targeted communication or radar beam. What if they make a mistake? That is like asking what if a kid splashing at a beach on a reservoir takes out the dam that is holding back that reservoir.

    8. Re:Weather control by kimvette · · Score: 1

      > No, it isn't. Weather occurs in the troposphere [windows2universe.org], the layer of the atmosphere closest to the earth, extending up to between 7 - 20 km above ground level. About 80% of the mass of the atmosphere is here.

      That's what they want you to think.
      *adjusts tinfoil hat* ;)

      It's saddening that people really think this is a "death ray" or some other BS. It's the same sort of person who thinks that contrails = chemtrails, that the oil industry has bought patents to cars that "run on water" to keep them secret (um, patents are publicly disclosed, people!) and murdered the inventors, and that magnet motors are practical "free energy" sources rather than just an interesting toy. I have a few friends who think these things and no amount of science-based evidence will convince them otherwise. I'm apparently "closed minded" because I like the scientific method.

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  4. Re:This doesn't add up... by roger_that · · Score: 1

    No, that would be the Air Force in this case. :)
    I think the research part is what is costing $300 Million; just to maintain the grounds/buildings would most likely be the $5 million per year.

  5. The silence for the Whales will be deafening by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 2

    About time...

    I've always thought with all the evidence of HAARP damaging the Whales many heredity traits, they should of been shut down a very long time ago.

    1. Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wow, those must be really high flying whales. When they fall from up there, it would very likely be very damaging.

    2. Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening by Ambitwistor · · Score: 5, Funny

      And wow! Hey! Whatâ(TM)s this thing suddenly coming towards me very fast? Very very fast. So big and flat and round, it needs a big wide sounding name like ⦠ow ⦠ound ⦠round ⦠ground! Thatâ(TM)s it! Thatâ(TM)s a good name â" ground!

      I wonder if it will be friends with me?

      And the rest, after a sudden wet thud, was silence.

    3. Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Too many idiots posting these days to tell if you're being silly, or one of them.

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    4. Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening by Brett+Buck · · Score: 1

      That's a real problem, and I am not kidding.

    5. Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening by Xaedalus · · Score: 1

      I almost shit myself laughing when I read this--thank you, sir, thank you :-)

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    6. Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening by Agent0013 · · Score: 1

      If that truly is a new quote for you, then you need to read "The Hichhiker's Guide to the Universe". You will be shitting yourself all the way through.

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    7. Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile:

      Curiously enough, the only thing that went through the mind of the bowl of petunias as it fell was Oh no, not again. Many people have speculated that if we knew exactly why the bowl of petunias had thought that we would know a lot more about the nature of the universe than we do now.

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    8. Re:The silence for the Whales will be deafening by Trax3001BBS · · Score: 1

      I almost shit myself laughing when I read this--thank you, sir, thank you :-)

      I'm glad I could add some humor to your day, but yes I got the acronym wrong, and with such authority :)

  6. Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid by Sockatume · · Score: 2

    "Slightly different" in this case being the difference between a large outdoor facility countless miles away in Alaska, and literally clamping a mains-powered instrument to the side of your skull.

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  7. Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid by jythie · · Score: 1

    That tends to be one of the problems with a lot of the conspiracy theory and alternative tech people, they take a nugget of something real and stretch it to illogical extremes.

  8. Brought to you by CURE by Chas · · Score: 1

    Shows how slow our government is on these things.

    After the , it ONLY took the government 30 years to shut down?

    Way to go Remo!

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  9. Cameras are too easy to use now by Viol8 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even conspiracy theory morons can figure them out and this is the result. There should be a mandatory IQ test before anyone is allowed to use any technology or access the internet.

    1. Re:Cameras are too easy to use now by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Especially YouTube.

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    2. Re:Cameras are too easy to use now by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      Even conspiracy theory morons can figure them out and this is the result. There should be a mandatory IQ test before anyone is allowed to use any technology or access the internet.

      Eh... maybe before they're allowed to post anything. I'm for free speech and all, but at some point, it's just noise. Bring me reasoned dissent all day long but spare me the videos of enclosed rail cars designed for hauling new automobiles that speculate on some dark government conspiracy and "FEMA prison trains".

    3. Re:Cameras are too easy to use now by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Hey now, I've played Deus Ex. We all know that those secret camps are real, and they're called RX-84. /conspiracy nut mode

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  10. What happened to HAARP being essential? by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Due to their broadcasting of magnetometer data and other measurements used by military and civillians throughout the world ?

    1. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by Required+Snark · · Score: 4, Insightful
      You don't understand the immense inertia of political pork. To put it in perspective, political pork has is the organizational equivalent of neutronium. One it comes into existence and starts moving, it is almost impossible to stop.

      Remember that this was the turf of Alaska US Senator Ted Stevens. He was the longest serving Republican Senator in US history, being in the senate from 1978 to 2008. He died in a plane crash in 2010. He was also involved with the infamous freeway to nowhere.

      That's why HAARP lasted so long. Even dieing is not sufficient grounds for ending a major pork event. A big time pork wrangler has to be gone and in the ground for a few years before anyone is willing to interfere with with the money flow. (Note: this is not a Republican vs. Democrat issue. The "Big Dig" in Boston was a monument to the pork prowess of Ted Kennedy.)

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    2. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      Minor correction, it was the bridge, not highway. And, according to wikipedia, some are still pushing for it...sigh.

      Funding for the "Bridge to Nowhere" has continued as of March 2, 2011, in the passing of H.R. 662: Surface Transportation Extension Act of 2011[4][5][6] by the House of Representatives.

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    3. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      There is a rumor up here in Alaska that suggests one of the reasons they want to shut down HAARP and a few other expensive but useless projects is to funnel money into the Ted Stevens Resurrection Effort. Initial experiments were hopeful: They scraped some stuff off the crash site and managed to grow a bunch of confused mosquitos and one pissed off moose. Then the funding ran out.

      Life here has just not been the same since Uncle Teddy left us.

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    4. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      And to be a bit pedantic, Stevens was involved in a bunch of 'things to nowhere'. Bridges, roads, airports, train tracks, more roads and a couple of random military installations. Of course, in Alaska, it's pretty easy to make things that go to various bits of nowhere since there is an enormous amount of nowhere just about everywhere.

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    5. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Due to their broadcasting of magnetometer data and other measurements used by military and
      civillians throughout the world ?

      They have something better now. The conspiracy minded folks should be chiming in here and saying the same thing.

      They have something better. My guess is that they are using quantum entanglement communication tech for long range covert comms.

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    6. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

      Having Ted back, that would be awesome. "The Internet isn't a truck, it's a series of
      BRAIIIIINNNNNNSSSSSS!"

    7. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Wow man, yeah. Consider that birds also use the magnetometer data to navigate, just think what havoc can be caused by altering bird migration patterns this way.

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    8. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      The basic problem is that in Alaska, *every* road goes nowhere, it is not just that one bridge.

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    9. Re:What happened to HAARP being essential? by radarskiy · · Score: 1

      There was a bridge and an approach highway. The money for the bridge was re-assignable, so it was used for another project. The money for the highway could not be used for another project, so it was built anyway rather than give up the money.

  11. Truth is HAARP is no longer needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Have you seen how many cellphone towers are out there ? HAARP is no longer cost effective to manipulate human behavior. The scattered microwave signal can be broadcasted with lower power with the cell phone tower infrastructure. HAARP had many other uses. It's first test was to see if the ionosphere could be charged artificially instead of waiting for the sun to do it. They were successful but it took a lot of energy. Next test... microwave scatter radiation to manipulate human behavior. The affect was stumbled upon by accident, much in the same way the microwave oven was invented. Sometimes I wonder if some of the senseless violence we that occurs... such as Sandy Point and other shootings, is influenced by tests like this.

    1. Re:Truth is HAARP is no longer needed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Program

      In the Wiki article, the claim that it is 'open research' meaning the public can find out from public records, including Scientific Journals what is being conducted. Several Universities are involved, it is open [I believe once a year] to the public to tour.

      However it is as open as they make it seem, not when compared to other federally ran projects, Jesse Ventura tried to get access to the site and was denied. However Scientists domestic or foreign, even leaders or politicians do not need security clearances to enter the facility. But it would appear you have to file paper work in order to get approval to visit the site, if not and you show up you can be 'turned away' from entering.

      I'm not buying into these theories, but there is some sort of classified status with some of the experiments, because of scientists/military findings. And it would appear this isn't the end of this, other countries also have HAARP type projects. And the Wiki article also mentions that this could be applied to a mobile unit.

    2. Re:Truth is HAARP is no longer needed by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      Being turned away at the gate because you turned up without any paperwork would be pretty normal procedure at any laboratory, public or private; they don't just let strangers in to wander around you know.

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    3. Re:Truth is HAARP is no longer needed by jandrese · · Score: 1

      So you have to have a legitimate reason to be let in there, and they won't let random crazy people without documentation wander the facilities? Must be a military conspiracy.

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    4. Re:Truth is HAARP is no longer needed by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Jesse Ventura is not a random crazy person. He's a special crazy person (and didn't make a bad governor of Minnesota, either, particularly compared with some of the ones we've had recently).

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  12. Project done? by SJ · · Score: 2

    If the military don't want something any more, it usually means 1 of 3 things.

    - 1. They are no longer interested as they have something better.
    - 2. They have finished their research and have succeeded in weaponising/miniaturising it.
    - 3. The people that set it up and were milking the cash have all gone and the new guys can't work out what it does or how it works any more.

    1. Re:Project done? by Ambitwistor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Or:

      - 4. Didn't turn out to be all that useful for routine military applications, despite earlier hopes.

    2. Re:Project done? by hubie · · Score: 1

      I disagree with your overly-pessimistic comments.

      1. Perhaps, but more likely because this is basic research it also can simply have shown to have not panned out.

      2. For research at this level, it is never really "finished." There are always avenues to explore and interesting things to look into. The hard part is convincing a funding agency to let you go down those rat holes. The leap between basic research and "weaponizing" is bigger than the leap between basic research and commercializing. In other words, it happens very rarely.

      3. I would like to see you provide some examples of this, particularly if you are suggesting this is so common as to happen regularly.

      There are many things imposed upon the DoD that they do not want, but Congress inserts them via pork. Stevens was probably the best example of the worst part of the pork barrel process. He probably sent more money to Alaska than Byrd did to West Virginia (remember "the bridge to nowhere"? That was a tiny drop in the Stevens pork money ocean). One example off the top of my head, I recall years ago that he tried to have a NSF polar monitoring station (remember, this is supposed to be in the polar regions) moved to Alaska because it is cold there too. You can easily google major weapons programs the DoD doesn't want, but can't cancel because of pork.

      The Air Force isn't going to spend their limited R&D funding on something that was set up with pork money unless it actually turns out to show that it has value (pork doesn't necessarily mean the idea is bad, but more often than not if the idea was good enough to stand up to peer review and other criticism, it would get funding via some legitimate channel).

    3. Re:Project done? by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

      You forgot one

      4. It was a waste of time and money from the beginning and the sponsoring politician is now dead

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    4. Re:Project done? by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 1

      4. It was a waste of time and money from the beginning and the sponsoring politician is now dead

      What gets me is that Stevens has been dead for *four years* and only now are they finally able to close this boondoggle up.

    5. Re:Project done? by dcw3 · · Score: 1

      You missed one other important one.
      4. It was forced upon them by Congress.

      Simple example of this is that nearly all branches of the service have bases or forts in every state. Is it necessary for the defense of the nation? Hell no. Is it necessary for each state to get it's "share" of the business? Obviously.

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  13. Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign by andydread · · Score: 1

    your amygdala large much?

  14. typical by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    no matter what conspiracy turns out to be true it seems they always have to attach fringe theories like mind control to the subject so researchers are not only still considered wrong but still considered nut jobs as well.

    1. Re:typical by Sockatume · · Score: 1

      HAARP isn't a conspiracy theory; its existence, functioning and purpose were never secret. (No doubt the military had its own applications for the results, of course.) The idea that HAARP is responsible for mind control is a conspiracy theory.

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  15. Re:This doesn't add up... by rioki · · Score: 2

    And in the case of a University, the labor is mostly free. Free as in grad and postgrad students working there.

  16. Re:Obama next move by wulfhere · · Score: 1

    Slashdot needs a +1 Satire mod.

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  17. Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid by Sockatume · · Score: 1

    Well obviously under your very limited definition of "resembles mind control", this doesn't count. My point is that even the best way we have of manipulating the brain "remotely" - transcranial magnetic stimulation - involves wiring something into the mains and pressing it against your skull. Not firing a bunch of radio waves at the upper atmosphere.

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  18. Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    Mind control, huh? Can you point me towards anything that resembles mind control, just a tiny bit?

    Be afraid. Be very afraid.

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  19. What does this mean? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 1

    'We're moving on to other ways of managing the ionosphere, which the HAARP was really designed to do,' he said. 'To inject energy into the ionosphere to be able to actually control it. But that work has been completed.' Comments of that sort have given rise to endless conspiracy theories, portraying HAARP as a super weapon capable of mind control or weather control, with enough juice to trigger hurricanes, tornadoes and earthquakes."

    So, what does that statement mean then? In what ways are we "managing" the ionosphere and for what purposes? I have been down quiet a number of conspiracy rabbit holes, and this one never really grabbed me. It's long on speculation and suspicion but short on actual reasons for thinking HAARP is used for no-good. But I agree, when people make comments like this, it makes me wonder what it is used for.

    Does anyone here know how and for what purposes we manage the ionosphere?

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    1. Re:What does this mean? by LWATCDR · · Score: 3

      "Does anyone here know how and for what purposes we manage the ionosphere?"

      Yes but if they told you they would have to kill you.....

      Actually it is simple, RF propagation.
      For communications, sigint, comint, and radar. Yes the radar would have to use lower bands than the typical microwave but HF and even VHF radar is nothing new and is returning to popularity thanks to stealth.

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    2. Re:What does this mean? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      well known to hams, and those who listen to shortwave, and those who try to listen to stations far away that normally can't be heard (used to be called DXers, maybe they still are) the ionospheres properties change by day and night, by seasons, by geomagnetic and solar activity.

      HAARP explored those changes and propagation, and also changes by injecting RF into ionsphere (on a tiny, tiny scale compared to natural forces)

    3. Re:What does this mean? by kilfarsnar · · Score: 2

      Ah, interesting. Do you mean they bounce such signals off the ionosphere? If so, how does that require management of the ionosphere?

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    4. Re:What does this mean? by bemenaker · · Score: 4, Informative

      http://www.nrl.navy.mil/resear... http://www.nrl.navy.mil/search... http://www.nrl.navy.mil/media/... HAARP was used for all kinds of testing related to the ionosphere. Looks like the Navy's initial interest was trying to use the ionosphere to send messages to submarines.

    5. Re:What does this mean? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      How well it bounces depends on the state of the ionosphere. When it is in the right state even signals that do not usually bounce off it will. In a different state next to nothing will bounce off it. So in theory if you wanted to detect an incoming attack from over the horizon then you might want to get tine ionosphere in the right state to have your radar work.

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  20. Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When you post something insane, don't expect people to spend a lot of time on you. The only asshole here is you.

  21. Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid by dwpro · · Score: 1

    Ignoring the known effects of certain drugs, there is more than I expected: specifically with toxoplasmosis and increased risk of car accidents for humans. Mind control is a fact for some insects and rodents, how much more exists is an interesting question. This entertaining talk goes into it a good deal.

    https://www.ted.com/talks/ed_y...

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  22. Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid by Ellis+D.+Tripp · · Score: 1
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  23. Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid by Ol+Biscuitbarrel · · Score: 1

    Well, a person from Alaska controlled my mind for a while back in 2008, not that I was swayed over to her cause. But it was definitely on my mind for months at a stretch. "You've got to be kidding. From a helicopter?"

  24. Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1
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  25. Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

    If I wandered into a programming-language-of-the-week thread and started posting about Syrian refugees, I'd rightly be chastised and modded down. In no way is that the appropriate forum to air my grievances.

    In fact, I'd go so far as to say that "no reasonable person" would think it's appropriate. So, yeah. Insane. Unable to grasp or understand social norms.

  26. Re:thanks by Zynder · · Score: 1

    Well please Mr AC, get us back on track. What are all of these "serious real covert uses" you speak of?

  27. Re:Wow, Republicans are stupid by Zynder · · Score: 1

    Is it the 10th time he asked? You are referring to Rioki's post right? If so, he posted exactly this one comment. But even if I'm wrong and he has asked multiple times, I haven't seen anyone post any proof that mind control of any kind is real-- yet. All I have seen are some links about zombie roaches and fungus infested ants. If you play with the definition of "mind control" I guess you could prove anything is mind control; advertising being the first method that pops into my mind (OH WOW IT WORKS!). As a nerd I won't claim mind control is real until I can walk into a place and make a woman drop pants and jump on my lap at my whim. As of right now the only way to accomplish such a task is to throw a high speed trail of greenbacks into the target's face such that all they see is money and not my fat hairy ass. That gets expensive!

  28. Re:HAARP's Deadly Capabilities by Zynder · · Score: 1

    Pics or it didn't happen bro.

  29. Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign by ArmoredDragon · · Score: 1

    That has to be the most innovative musical instrument ever. I wonder what kind of sound it makes.

  30. Re:Climate Science Defector Forced to Resign by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1

    That has to be the most innovative musical instrument ever. I wonder what kind of sound it makes.

    "Ahhh Ahhh Ah Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

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  31. Better mind control by vandamme · · Score: 1

    They have the New York Times, MSNBC and Fox News now, so HAARP is redundant.

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  32. Terrible summary by AstroSurf · · Score: 1

    You missed the beginning of the sentence, which was "Responding to questions from Alaska Sen." So your reading skills should have told you that the period after "Sen" was abbreviating Senator and not ending the sentence.

    And here at Slashdot we all know what HAARP is.

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