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Cable TV Prices Rising At Four Times the Inflation Rate

An anonymous reader writes "A new FCC report (PDF) has found that U.S. cable TV prices are rising at four times the rate of inflation over the past two decades. 'Basic cable service prices increased by 6.5 percent [to $22.63] for the 12 months ending January 1, 2013. Expanded basic cable prices increased by 5.1 percent [to $64.41] for those 12 months, and at a compound average annual rate of 6.1 percent over the 18-year period from 1995-2013. ... These price increases compare to a 1.6 percent increase in general inflation as measured by the CPI (All Items) for the same one-year period.' Equipment prices rose faster than inflation, too. The report also found that the price increases weren't helped by competition — in fact, the prices rose faster where there were competing providers than in areas where the main provider had no effective competition."

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  1. more money - less quality by OutOnARock · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The quantity of programming has increased with the prices

    ......yet the quality of programming decreases......

    so (quality/quantity) * price is constant?

    1. Re:more money - less quality by Ignacio · · Score: 2

      Nope. A bit of research will show that it is in fact logarithmic. There are obvious diminishing returns once you realize that there are five or six channels showing the same episode of the same show at the same time.

    2. Re:more money - less quality by mc6809e · · Score: 5, Informative

      The quantity of programming has increased with the prices

      ......yet the quality of programming decreases......

      so (quality/quantity) * price is constant?

      I have a friend at BrightHouse Networks.

      According to him (and I suppose he could be lying), it's the price that the content holders are asking that's driving up prices, especially ESPN.

      He tell's me that ESPN gets about $30/customer in an all or nothing deal.

    3. Re:more money - less quality by mc6809e · · Score: 2

      He tell's me that ESPN gets about $30/customer in an all or nothing deal.

      Sorry. That's wrong.

      The $30 figure is the amount each actual viewer of ESPN would have to pay if they were forced to pay for it themselves, but ESPN doesn't allow that.

    4. Re:more money - less quality by Miamicanes · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I really wish cable/satellite would adopt "Chinese Menu" pricing for their mid-tier, and allow people who don't care about Disney*.* or ESPN*.* to pay the same price, but substitute HBO and/or Showtime instead (ie, pick two out of four... Disney, ESPN, HBO, Showtime... 3 for $10 more, all 4 for $18 more). I believe it would mostly be revenue-neutral for the cable/satellite companies, and would go a long way towards softening the sting of my monthly cable bill by letting me substitute two channels I don't currently pay for, but would LOVE to get instead of two expensive blocks of channels I never watch.

  2. Question ... by MacTO · · Score: 2

    Has there been a corresponding increase in service? By that I mean the number of channels delivered for the given tier, since cable companies usually pay the broadcaster a certain rate per channel.

    (I don't subscribe to cable, so I don't know how things have changed over the decade since I've left home.)

    1. Re:Question ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, we can now watch the same advertising on 300 different channels.

  3. AT&T land line by dfsmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I want to know how come my telephone line has gone from $7/month in 1997 to $32/month today, with no change in service.

    1. Re: AT&T land line by rsmith-mac · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's that and a general decline in long distance usage/profits. Before deregulation the bulk of the profits for telephone operation came from long distance, to the point that local infrastructure and usage was essentially subsidized by long distance. Post-deregulation competition quickly drove down profits, and more recently VoIP and other non-POTS communication methods have further erroded profits.

      The end result is that the bulk of the cost of POTS has been shifted on to local; you now pay for the cost of your infrastructure rather than the long distance "whales." Which arguably is how it always should have been, however POTS (and callers) benefited from the network effect so much that POTS likely wouldn't have been as successful if every subscriber was paying their own infrastructure costs from the start.

  4. In the future... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There will be 5,000 channels and absolutely nothing to watch.

    Outside of the baby boomers generation most individuals in my age bracket (28 here) gave up on cable/satellite television due to hyper-aggressive advertising policies, price gouging, and providing little to no value over services that frankly the internet does a better job of. It is simply undesirable to watch/use in favor of essentially anything else.

  5. Re:Better service though... by Technician · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The truth is there are a lot of cable cutters. The basic subscription is only to get a break on Internet. DSL and basic phone service is the same thing. My home phone has no long distance plan at all. It is redundant and expensive compaired to my Cell or VOIP which include all of US and Canada as a local call.

    WIth Netflix, Hulu, etc, unless you want the sports package, why would you even have cable at all, other than to get a break on the Internet package.

    Intenet without basic TV is often higher in price or not offered at all, so the basic TV added is close to zero additional cost.

    I've cut Cable TV long ago. I'm not an armchair quarterback.

    When working nights, and infomercials plug up the daytime TV, there is little to watch, except on Netflix. TV seasons, science, etc shows can be watched at your convience commercial free. Cable companies hate that. To keep profits up, with cord cutting, they soak the sports junkies that need real time program delivery.

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  6. The rate is meaningless by freeze128 · · Score: 2

    The rate is meaningless because since 1995, cable companies had to upgrade their system from analog-only to digital, and then also be able to support HD, develop and implement cable-card, develop and implement voip, develop and implement on-demand services, mobile apps, etc.

    All of those things don't have an industry set price, so they pass the price onto you, the customer.

    1. Re:The rate is meaningless by mbkennel · · Score: 2


      Since 1995 auto manufacturers have had to upgrade all sorts of technology, and so have web service providers. And yet....

  7. TV completely not needed by erroneus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Said it before, I'll say it again. The worst thing the cable company ever did was refuse to give me free TV with my internet. Been well over five years now and I am more productive and lively. Sure, there are some shows I like. I can watch them online when I want to see them. I don't need TV for anything. Let them raise rates until they fail. We don't need them.

  8. Re:inevitable by mc6809e · · Score: 2

    Capitalism and the markets demand exponential growth in a finite world,

    No they don't. They're just somewhat efficient collective resource allocation systems.

    Exponential growth appears to be a requirement because populations grow exponentially.

    If an economy can't keep up with the exponential growth of population, then there is less produced per person.

  9. Re:Better service though... by msauve · · Score: 2

    Not just that, but 40 years ago, basic cable wasn't much more than a community antenna offering better reception of OTA channels. No CNN or MTV or HBO (well, they're technically 42 years old, but had maybe 10,000 subscribers then).

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  10. Weaning myself off cable by spirit_fingers · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I've been weaning myself off cable in stages. Six months ago I realized that I wasn't watching Starz enough to justify the $40/month charge, so I dropped it.

    Now I'm coming to the realization that I watch Hulu+ and Amazon Prime as much if not more than cable, so now I'm on the verge of cutting my cord to Comcast and just steaming through my pokey old AT&T DSL line. It's not quite fast enough for a 1080p stream, but it looks acceptable to me at standard def on my 55" plasma. So there you go. Comcast has just priced themselves out of my life.

  11. A great (and true) saying: by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 4, Funny

    "90% of Everything is Crap".

    This applies to everything, including cable TV.

    The remaining 10%? Well, 90% of that is crap too.

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    1. Re:A great (and true) saying: by vandelais · · Score: 2

      But what if it's Scottish?...

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  12. Not surprised by finalcutmonstar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cable tv is loaded with useless channels that the consumer is forced to pay for. Channels that most consumers never watch and/or never heard of come with the package and contribute to the cost of monthly access. Cable providers will never allow the consumer to pick what channels they want so the only solution is to cut the cord and subscribe to services like Netflix and Hulu. The other(not so legal option) is to torrent your favorite shows.

    1. Re:Not surprised by EvilSS · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Cable tv is loaded with useless channels that the consumer is forced to pay for. Channels that most consumers never watch and/or never heard of come with the package and contribute to the cost of monthly access. Cable providers will never allow the consumer to pick what channels they want so the only solution is to cut the cord and subscribe to services like Netflix and Hulu. The other(not so legal option) is to torrent your favorite shows.

      The majority of the blame for bundling goes to the networks actually. They force bundles onto the cable companies, the cable companies then turn around and pass those bundles on to their subscribers. It also doesn't help that they all compete on how many channels you get as a selling point for the consumer (so blame the viewers a bit for being stupid as well). I wouldn't be surprised if a good chunk of those rising prices are due to the networks as well. They are addicted to the fees they are getting from pay TV services. Just look at the carriage contract fights that have been popping up more and more lately.

      The whole damned industry from producers to the cable companies is a rapidly getting out of control and it's just going to get worse. Allowing mergers between cable companies and content providers was a huge mistake and it's going to end up biting everyone in the ass eventually.

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  14. Re:Wow, that matches by timeOday · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is matching the rate of growth of government employees and their salaries. Who would of thought...

    You are stunningly misinformed. In fact the percent of Americans who are public employees is the smallest it has been since 1968.

    It makes you wonder where people get these ideas and why they feel so free to spout off without knowing anything. We have google, where is the disconnect coming from?

  15. Re:Better service though... by MightyYar · · Score: 2

    plus any shows that you don't want to wait months, years, or never to see on Netflix, Hulu, et al.

    One interesting side effect of my cheapness is that I've fallen so far behind on TV shows that they are all new to me when they hit Netflix. Because I don't see the commercials, I don't even know about current shows, let alone miss them. I hear about shows a little from co-workers and friends, but honestly TV just doesn't unite the culture like it once did - there are far too many choices for everyone to be watching the same show.

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  16. Re:Wow, that matches by Billly+Gates · · Score: 5, Informative

    That is matching the rate of growth of government employees and their salaries. Who would of thought...

    You are stunningly misinformed. In fact the percent of Americans who are public employees is the smallest it has been since 1968.

    It makes you wonder where people get these ideas and why they feel so free to spout off without knowing anything. We have google, where is the disconnect coming from?

    Fox news, Sean Hanity, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, a million Facebook posts about evil socialists taking jobs and voting Tea Party is the way out etc. Fox news is number one rated and tens of millions listen to right wing radio. They really believe that 50% of Americans all are welfare queens who make $45,000 and get free iPhones which they call Obama phones. Members of government believe the hype too which is why they are so anti Obama.

  17. lol by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The inflation rate as reported by the federal government is complete shit. It's likely closer to 10%
    The equipment they're talking about is vastly different than the equipment in the previous year. How many people switched from SD to HD in that time? That was one of the peak years for HD adoption.
    Internet speeds across the industry jumped drastically in 2012 due to DOCSIS 3 rollouts. I, personally, went from 15mb/s to 50mb/s over night with no cost increase to me at all.
    In 2012 most cable companies introduced the new pay as you go plans which allowed you to pay a slightly higher rate in exchange for no contract.

    1. Re:lol by tompaulco · · Score: 2

      No, the inflation rate is a lie no matter who is in the white house. Look at the crap they pull. A case of soda is only 3% more this year than it was last year. Well, that's great, but a case of soda now has 20 cans instead of 24. Same thing with a package of cookies. There are fewer cookies for the same price. A loaf of bread has fewer slices. A 50 pound bucket of chlorine tabs for the pool still costs the same, but now it is only 40 pounds. I'm sure that is not on the CPI, but that is just another example. Meanwhile, things that they aren't able to hide from you, like gas prices, electricity prices, natural gas prices, water utility prices, insurance prices, are going up at 10% to 20% a year. Salaries, meanwhile are staying exactly the same. I have lowered and lowered and lowered my lifestyle over the last 10 years, despite working more and more hours, and taking on an increasing number of outside projects . Pretty soon, I will have to sell my house and downsize in order to keep making ends meet. This is because inflation is skyrocketing, but salaries are stagnant. It is unsustainable. The CPI is a lie.

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  18. Re:we haven't even got a digital aerial by Technician · · Score: 2

    An antenna is tuened for a frequency band. Nothing special about a "Digital" antenna. A good antenna that could reduce or eliminate ghosting from multipath will work just fantastic for "Digital" TV. I never upgraded to a digital antenna.

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  19. Re:Wow, that matches by tragedy · · Score: 2

    That article pretty much does say that the plans are very similar at their core, just that the heritage foundation plan had a bunch of other details to it that would have been much worse that the ACA. Basically, the ACA is bad, but it could have been worse. It could have been better, as well.

  20. Re:Easy solution by DaHat · · Score: 2

    Or you can make sure your wife likes the same college sports as you... then have epic battles over the professional level...

  21. Do what I did: by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2

    Stop watching TV. It's amazing how much more productive and well informed I am once I cut the cable....

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  22. Re:Which inflation rate? by buddyglass · · Score: 3, Informative

    Given the price fluctuations in commodities like precious metals and oil, you would see the cost of cable (indexed to one of these commodities) show similar wild fluctuations. Its cost would seem to increase rapidly in some years and decrease rapidly in others.

    As an exercise, I looked up BLS price data on various basic food items and calculated the annual inflation rate from December 1995 to December 2013. This is the period in which the linked article claims the official rate was 2.4%. Here's what I got:

    Bread, 2.837
    Beef, 3.744
    Chicken, 2.712
    Eggs, 3.147
    Milk, 1.848
    Apples, 2.682
    Bananas, 1.485
    Tomatoes , 0.760
    Orange Juice, 2.448
    Coffee, 1.549

    So if the official rate is a gross underestimate, what gives w/ these annual rates? Or do you just assert that the historical price data is fudged?

  23. Re:Which inflation rate? by buddyglass · · Score: 2

    Yeah, but we're not talking about the future. We're talking about the period 1995-2013, in which you seem to be claiming the official inflation statistics are bunk. Don't change the topic. Either the official 2.4% stat is legit or it's not. If you're going to claim its not legit then you need to explain the relatively modest inflation rates for a relatively diverse assortment of basic food items.

  24. Re:Um, the Atlantic? Really? by Calavar · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'm giving up mod points to reply this because this is the stupidest BS I've read all day.

    1. We were working to send a man to the moon (300,000+ people involved) which was NOT just some guys in "bunny suits" prepping astronauts and rockets in clean rooms at the cape... there were facilities being designed and built and staffed in many states. (it takes far fewer to maintain and use the stuff in later years)

    I don't think you understand what "government employee" means. The vast majority of those 300,000 people worked at private companies that were completing government contracts related to the space program.

    2. We were doing major construction on the creation of the interstate highway system (passed by Eisenhower in 1956, activity was very high in the 60's) It takes lots more people to plan and build such a system than to maintain it later.

    Again, it's not as if the government went out and bought a bunch of backhoes and bulldozers to do the construction itself. Those highways were built by people working at private construction firms, not government employees.

    3. We were fighting in Vietnam and at a very high Cold War strategic military posture with lots of HUGE highly-staffed bases all over the world; The US military used to do all its own work for things like base security, base food prep, grounds keeping, supply chain operation, troop transport, etc .... but now days many of these things are "outsourced" to civilian firms, and even the military itself is FAR smaller (the US navy, for example has fewer than HALF the ships it had under Reagan in the 80's and while THAT was higher than under Carter it was still historically lower than at many points).

    You just proved the point of the Atlantic. You said that since the 1960s the military has vastly cut down the number of people it employs by outsourcing to private contractors and eliminating inefficiencies. Isn't this exactly what it means to have a small government?

    4. Technology was SUPPOSED to reduce the workforce. Where Social Security checks required armies of federal workers to do the processing in the 1940's, it's now largely a computer task now with the payments often handled by automated "electronic funds transfers" (so the workers on-staff handle the human-interface functions and SHOULD be fewer than the number who used to work at SS). Given that much of what government does involves paper, records, and money, a big bloated government SHOULD require a fraction of the workers of decades ago, since all the work of computing numbers, moving and storing money, data, etc should be done my machines now.

    This has happened. Today, Social Security Administration expenses as a percentage of the trust fund are less than one third what they are today. (source) But that doesn't fit into your pretty little narrative, does it?

    Also, I'm sorry, but anyone who uses the Park Service as an example of big government is a fucking idiot. The Park Service gets .06% of the US federal budget. But wait, it adds up, doesn't it? What if we closed 500 agencies like the Park Service? We would cut government spending by 30%. Oh wait, no we wouldn't. Because the total of all non-defense, non-debt, non-healthcare, non-benefits spending adds up to 9% of the federal government. That's right, even if we shut down every "dispensable" agency -- from the FCC to the FAA, the DoE to the DoJ, the National Park Service to the Internal Revenue Service, the USDA, the USPS, the NIH, the NSF, the FDA, the FHA, NASA, the State Department, SCOTUS, POTUS -- we would only save 9% of the budget.

    This is what all republicans conveniently ignore when they talk about big government. Big government isn't caused by all the agencies they love to complain about.

    At least Obama was trying to chip away at the real problem with health care reform. No, it isn't

  25. Re:Maybe inflation is higher by abies · · Score: 2

    Hmm, let's look at gas prices (which are one of the basic indicators of US lifestyle and affect cost of most things)
    http://www.randomuseless.info/...
    Year 2000 - 1.4-1.6
    Year 2014 - 3.80
    Factor of 2.4-2.7

    Beef prices
    http://www.criticalissues.us/B...
    Year 2000 - 285
    Year 2014 - 480
    Factor of 1.68

    There were just two first things I have checked out of 'americal lifestyle' pseudo-basket. Then we have cable tv prices, as described in original post with factor of around 1.6.
    CPI suggests difference of 1.34 between year 2000 and 2014. Shadow stats suggest around 2.26 as you say. Probably one of only importnat things which are following CPI data over this time period are apartment rental prices and this is just because of 2008 crash.

    I will agree with you that shadowstats is reporting too high inflation index - they are not trying to provide real numbers, rather to show the difference in creative accounting after 1980. But do you really think that CPI is valid measurement of what is happening? Why almost every report is complaining that XYZ is raising faster than CPI?