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ANTVR - China's Answer To Oculus Rift Is Raising Funds
dryriver (1010635) writes "Chinese technology startup ANTVR is raising funds on Kickstarter for a new, gaming oriented VR Headset capable of rivaling FaceBook's Oculus Rift VR Headset technologically speaking. The ANTVR headset features a full HD screen (1920 x 1080, 1 megapixel per eye), 100 degrees of FOV, 9-axis motion detect with low latency (1 ms), wireless communication, support for Playstation, Xbox, PC, Android gaming platforms, as well as an interesting 'virtual gun' type controller that can be folded open into a steering wheel or gamepad-type controller, and also holds batteries that can power the ANTVR for 3 — 8 hours. Interesting technical features include being able to detect whether the ANTVR wearer steps forward, backwards, to the left or to the right, and also whether the wearer crouches or jumps. The ANTVR headset also comes with a viewing window at the bottom of the unit that can be opened, so you can glance down and see your hands and keyboard and mouse for example. What makes ANTVR interesting is that it isn't a 'cheap Chinese knockoff of Oculus Rift'. A lot of original thought seems to have gone into making ANTVR a 'significantly different from a design standpoint' competitor to Oculus Rift. It now remains to be seen how much money ANTVR can raise on Kickstarter, and how many real world users/gamers opt for this new Chinese VR kit over the older — and currently — more famous Oculus Rift."
got a link to these 'early reports'?
Not going to be giving money to a Chinese startup on Kickstarter. It's already difficult enough to determine which Kickstarters are legit, not even going to get into one's in sketchy countries like China
the American Corporate middlemen.
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I prefer to support the original innovators in this case.
I'm fairly certain he's making a somewhat racist joke regarding eye shape.
I prefer to support the original innovators in this case.
Sooo... Nintendo?
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
...what it won't be able to render. Things like tanks, or student-made banners being waived in squares, or barbecues in major metropolitan areas.
And if they decide to go cheap on the ambient condition effects, one might be able to see for miles and miles in Beijing!
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Don't worry, you ain't alone :)
Ivan Sutherland and Bob Sproull?
The American version restricts you to a Virtual Free Speech Zone, six miles from the event you're protesting.
So do you want to see virtual tanks, or do you want to be in a virtual cage?
Cheap knock off or not, I'll take one!
I'd rather support this because ANTVR isn't tied to Facebook. This means I can get VR without giving money to any company tied to Facebook's bottom line and without all my personal data being stolen and sold by Facebook.
Oculus Rift VR are not the "original innovators" in any way. they are working atop a ton of previous work and previous products you could buy.
So when will Raytheon expect your support in VR technology they were one of the "original innovators" of?
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
So the question is will people be more afraid of this Chinese device spying on them or Facebook's Occulus Rift.
Why the hell FOV is always around 100 degree?
It isn't enough! Give at least 135mm FOV and we are talking. It doesn't need to be perfectly sharp after 115 degree but to have possibility to at least some manner to see what is around you and spot movement is important in simulators. Think like dog fighting in DCS World or sitting in Leopard 2 gunner position in Steel Beasts and you know what I am talking about.
Of course if that is 90 degree per eye and they are partially crossing so FOV is together around 135mm, then forget my whining (or forget it anyways).
" Interesting technical features include being able to detect whether the ANTVR wearer steps forward, backwards, to the left or to the right, and also whether the wearer believes in Tibetan independence, free trade unions, or an honest examination of the events at Tienanmen."
From the Kickstarter page:
Open Source Hardware: The U2B module is open source, so developers can get the signals from the two IMUs (headset and controller) and can make the control command adapt to any device (ie. other gaming systems, UAV or robots). You can potentially even control your Avatar Robot while it's thousands of miles away from you!
In other words, desktop Linux could be fully supported if a driver is written.
The virtual boy was ahead of it's time and Nintendo rushed it to release. It would've been good had they spent more time on it.
the slashdot.co.jp faction has modded me Tloll
..get the damn product finished Oculus.
..don't panic
No, just normal people.
Though whether that was for posting a racist comment, or for not even getting the racist comment right, is as yet unclear.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
The virtual boy was a concept ahead of it's time with no hope of getting hardware to match up to a good experience. Nice idea, shit execution. Even Oculus rift these days is delayed by waiting for hardware (screens) that can match people's expectations, most notably oled screens with a high enough refresh rate.
But the VB also didn't have 1/10 of the ideas of oculus rift. It was two screen in a set of goggles. It's like comparing a House from the 1650s to one from today. They do the same basic thing and that's it. It's all different from there on down.
Getting VR right is very difficult. Early VR companies all discovered that not only was the technology not quite there (good VR would have been too expensive), but there are millions of little implementation details that you have to get right as well. Oculus has been struggling with that for years now, but they're finally getting close to a mass market product. I hope this company is as committed to getting the details right and realizes that there is more to the product than the bullet list of features on the box.
If they aren't careful, this could be like the old days (and some say current day) of smartphones, where you could go to Asia and pick up a phone that had an incredible laundry list of features on the box (full web browser! Tunes AM/FM/TV! Integrated music player! push email! etc...) but none of the features worked right and the interface was a convoluted mess and the thing crashed all of the time.
I read the internet for the articles.
They key innovation here was to get the latency down to something reasonable. Nintendo didn't solve that problem, they just avoided it completely by building the game console and display generator into the "headset" directly. Of course they didn't have any motion ability either, so no latency issues to worry about there either.
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They are Chinese, not Japanese.
I'll buy a device from whoever stays in bussiness in the next 5-10 years. Kickstart anyone now? No way.
Sadly I think this is *still* not the time for working VR.
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You said you "prefer to support the original innovators." Nintendo was there before Ocululs, thus, Oculus can't be the 'originals.'
Heck, if you really want to go back to basics, we can't talk about VR without giving proper credit to the pioneers who brought stereoscopic vision to movie-goers almost 100 years ago.
I can appreciate the innovations that the ANTVR brings to the field of head-mounted displays, without worrying about "who came up with the general concept of VR first." The ANTVR's 'gun' peripheral, for example, sure seems to be something nobody else thought of, Oculus included.
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Personally, I think the best part of the ANTVR is the transmutable controller/processing pack/battery pack - a dedicated "gun" peripheral, that's also a dedicated "steering wheel" peripheral, that's also a traditional controller? Oh, and it houses the system's brain and battery as well? Color me pleasantly surprised!
The WHDI feature sounds pretty cool, too, but I have my reservations about A) how well it will work, and B) how much it adds to the system's overall cost.
An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
When the fuck is slashdot going to do something about socko upper accounts modding trolls? News flash for you euro trash: We invented the fucking Internet and this site. Don't like our surveillance, don't use our Internet. Cut the fiber links across the Atlantic. Everything will still work fine for us. I don't think I'd even notice. You guys can have your own Internet. Lol!
Sock upper accounts. Lol. Someone typing on mobile site.
I should add: If you like your Internet, you can keep your Internet.
Was it too hard to add a link to the ANTVR Kickstarter page?
No shit? That's, like, the entire joke.
You can still buy junk really cheap but you can also buy some scary good phones from china now. I own a Lenovo cell phone and its the best cell phone ive ever owned in terms of reliability and performance.
Sega VR: With actual inertial sensors(that Nintendo did not use years after with his VR).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOAsr6YzeuU
1920 x 1080, 1 megapixel per eye
Try 2 megapixels (2073600) per eye. If you're going to post something to a nerd website you really should know how to do basic multiplication, or have editors that actually do their job!
9-axis motion detect with low latency (1 ms), wireless communication
Should be:
9-axis motion detect, with low latency (1 ms) wireless communication
The article mentions nothing of 1ms latency head tracking... it does mention the wireless communication latency being 1ms, however. This is a very important distinction as the latency of head tracking is what the Occulus Rift has appeared to have put the most effort into via their custom 3-way merged sensor chip.
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The original Oculus Rift prototypes used a sensor that was readily available on the market, but ultimately we decided to develop our own sensor hardware to achieve an optimal experience. With the new Oculus VR sensor, we support sampling rates up to 1000hz, which minimizes the time between the player’s head movement and the game engine receiving the sensor data to roughly 2 milliseconds. The increased sampling rates also reduce orientation error by providing a denser dataset to integrate over, making the player’s real-world movements more in-sync with the game.
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You should check some details on the VirtualBoy. As you can see in this teardown, it does not use screens, but oscillating mirrors with a single 1D LED array by eye. Even if it ultimately failed, it is interesting to see.
It seems that chicken are closer to VR than humans: http://www.secondlivestock.com... Chicken are not ok with devkits!!
Any VR headset not attached to Facebook is a win in my eyes.
F Oculus. Won't touch it as long as Facebook has their hand in it. Pass.
So the question is will people be more afraid of this Chinese device spying on them or Facebook's Occulus Rift.
You presume these organizations don't share/sell data to each other then? Only winning move in this scenario is simply not to play.
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I sounds to me like they are over-promising to get people to buy in. Personally I would reserve me pleasant surprise until they had delivered on all those promises, more or less within the promised time-frame.
The panties down liberal mindset has finally fruited - Poor, unemployed Americans to financially back a company from a hostile anti-freedom country that's racist against them - 'mericu
If by the original innovators you mean Occulus Rift, it doesn't exist as an independent entity anymore. It is Facebook now.
Do you really want to support Facebook?
When his defense asked, "Which computer has Jon Johansen trespassed upon?" the answer was: "His own."
You didnt invent the WWW part of it though...
Except it was written as a Japanese person would say it.
They are simply a company that is trying to make a high end CHEAP VR goggle and sensor setup.
you can buy stuff that is better than theirs right now, in fact you have been able to buy better than Oculus Rift's current revision for over 5 years now, It just cost a metric buttload more money.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
not racism, just some harmless linguicism if that's a word
no the mods not normal people, hand wringers with chips on their shoulder looking for something with which to be offended, with some BS idea between their ears about what racism is.
Now this is what i call a flight simulator.
http://m.weibo.cn/1850988623/3712319156347395?sourceType=sms&from=1041595010&wm=3333_1001
Apologies to those of you who cannot read characters but the gif file is pretty self explanatory.