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ANTVR - China's Answer To Oculus Rift Is Raising Funds

dryriver (1010635) writes "Chinese technology startup ANTVR is raising funds on Kickstarter for a new, gaming oriented VR Headset capable of rivaling FaceBook's Oculus Rift VR Headset technologically speaking. The ANTVR headset features a full HD screen (1920 x 1080, 1 megapixel per eye), 100 degrees of FOV, 9-axis motion detect with low latency (1 ms), wireless communication, support for Playstation, Xbox, PC, Android gaming platforms, as well as an interesting 'virtual gun' type controller that can be folded open into a steering wheel or gamepad-type controller, and also holds batteries that can power the ANTVR for 3 — 8 hours. Interesting technical features include being able to detect whether the ANTVR wearer steps forward, backwards, to the left or to the right, and also whether the wearer crouches or jumps. The ANTVR headset also comes with a viewing window at the bottom of the unit that can be opened, so you can glance down and see your hands and keyboard and mouse for example. What makes ANTVR interesting is that it isn't a 'cheap Chinese knockoff of Oculus Rift'. A lot of original thought seems to have gone into making ANTVR a 'significantly different from a design standpoint' competitor to Oculus Rift. It now remains to be seen how much money ANTVR can raise on Kickstarter, and how many real world users/gamers opt for this new Chinese VR kit over the older — and currently — more famous Oculus Rift."

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  1. Re:limited field of view by Selur · · Score: 1

    got a link to these 'early reports'?

  2. Sorry by bhcompy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not going to be giving money to a Chinese startup on Kickstarter. It's already difficult enough to determine which Kickstarters are legit, not even going to get into one's in sketchy countries like China

    1. Re:Sorry by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is China sketchier than your country?

    2. Re:Sorry by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      How isn't it?

    3. Re:Sorry by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      You have the burden of proof here, not him to prove the counterargument. :)

    4. Re:Sorry by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Im not sure if you're kidding or not. Even with things like OBD2 car scanners, when you buy the chinese-made ELM327 knockoffs on amazon you have to factor in the fact that theres a 50-50 chance that your device will be DOA or will die after first use.

      China is NOTORIOUS for knock-offs that are "good enough" to get sold and then fall to pieces immediately after. If you dont know about this, you simply havent dealt with very many chinese goods. Go to one of their big marketplaces and try and buy legit Gamecube or Wii games-- theres a nearly 100% chance those games are bogus and simply dont work.

      The US has very strong consumer protection laws, China has nearly zero.

    5. Re:Sorry by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      Well there's a history of ignoring US laws/treaties when needed, widespread and obvious corruption, and they speak some weird language with a bunch of symbols.

    6. Re:Sorry by LordLimecat · · Score: 3

      This is like claiming someone has the burden of proof in proving that nearly 90% of hacks are initiated from China, Russia, or eastern europe.

      At some point something enters the pool of common knowledge, and you just look ridiculous asking for proof.

    7. Re:Sorry by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      This is like claiming someone has the burden of proof in proving that nearly 90% of hacks are initiated from China, Russia, or eastern europe.

      They absolutely have the burden of proof in proving that. Akamai's report from last year shows that the top 3 are China, Indonesia and... *drumroll* ...United States! In this case the question of how China is any more sketchy than USA, could also be asked again. They're in the same boat.

    8. Re:Sorry by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Russia is half of that, and Eastern Europe is nowhere to be seen.

    9. Re:Sorry by HiThere · · Score: 1

      You may be correct, but an Anonymous Coward doesn't have much credibility. Do you have any links to evidence?

      Please note, Japan used to be famous for shoddy merchandise. This was a correct reputation, and well earned. At some point this changed, and now their merchandise is more trustworthy than US merchandise.

      China has been, correctly nortorious for shoddy merchandise. And for merchandise where different products are sold with the same description. Has this changed? Any evidence?

      P.S.: I am resident in the US, so I'm only talking about goods purchased via mail-order, and not goods that you can examine prior to purchase. Also, if the quality of these goods has become reliable, it is only wthin the last 3 years.

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    10. Re:Sorry by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      Please show me where this rule exists

    11. Re:Sorry by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      It just makes sense.

    12. Re:Sorry by dougisfunny · · Score: 1

      Who are you talking about? The NSA?

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    13. Re:Sorry by bhcompy · · Score: 1

      According to whom?

    14. Re:Sorry by Ksevio · · Score: 1

      No, China - as funny as it is to point to equivalences with the US, it really doesn't compare to China

    15. Re:Sorry by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Anyone who has been paying attention is aware of the fact that "bots" arent the same as "hackers", and that a huge number of the "hacks" are DDOSes involving bots from all over the world (including the US).

    16. Re:Sorry by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      Clearly Im wrong. Lets see, lets have an inventory of the stuff I bought last time I was over there visiting family:

        * 2 Gamecube games (neither work)
        * A "North face" jacket, with already-ripped pull cords, which started falling to pieces almost immediately
        * Some crew socks, which also started falling apart on the first wash cycle
        * A leatherman knockoff which still "works", but the pliers are of very poor quality and a very limited amount of pressure can be used with them
        * Some DVDs, all of which were very clearly not pressed
        * A suitcase which is, so far, holding up quite well
        * Some pearls which appear to be genuine

      2 out of 7 is not terribly good.

    17. Re:Sorry by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Wild wild East! Enjoy your stay.

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    18. Re:Sorry by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      I'll see your made up number.... and raise you an NSA.

    19. Re:Sorry by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      According to logic.

    20. Re:Sorry by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Oh, now we are shuffling around the definitions? Please show me the data on "real hacks" then.

    21. Re:Sorry by jones_supa · · Score: 1

      Fair enough. :)

    22. Re:Sorry by Anon+Hope+4sweg · · Score: 1

      China is knock off central. They scam and fake so much technology. Wouldnt trust them with anything unless it was brokered by a US company that could give me my money back.

    23. Re:Sorry by LordLimecat · · Score: 1

      http://www.symantec.com/threat...

      US is number 2: how can that be explained? If you look, its dominated by the Rustock botnet, which is operated from..... McColo, in Russia.

      Look at botnet operator country-of-origin, and time and again it is eastern europe and China.

      http://www.team-cymru.org/Read...
      According to this report, most Botnet C&C's seem to be located in China, and / or on a .cn TLD. US features prominently mostly because dot-com is such a popular TLD, and is technically a US one-- but that hardly indicates presence in the US. Using a dot-CN domain, on the other hand, almost certainly indicates geographic location in China, which is reflected in their graphs.

      EDIT: However--- I will say that here:
      https://www.shadowserver.org/w...
      Gives me pause for thought. If those stats are accurate, the US has more C&Cs than I realized.

    24. Re:Sorry by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

      If someone from my country rips me off then there's a chance local law enforcement will do something. The nightmare that is international jurisdiction means they won't bother for China.

      Also, stealing $100,000 USD in America is a nice haul, but not really enough to risk as much jail time as it'll get you for actively scamming that many people. In China $100k goes a lot farther, so it's more practical.

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  3. Re:limited field of view by fakeid · · Score: 2

    I'm fairly certain he's making a somewhat racist joke regarding eye shape.

  4. Re:Chinese IP Knockoffs Forgo Branding,Now Bypassi by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

    I prefer to support the original innovators in this case.

    Sooo... Nintendo?

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  5. It's a toss up. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The American version restricts you to a Virtual Free Speech Zone, six miles from the event you're protesting.

    So do you want to see virtual tanks, or do you want to be in a virtual cage?

  6. VR headset not tied to Facebook? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Cheap knock off or not, I'll take one!

    I'd rather support this because ANTVR isn't tied to Facebook. This means I can get VR without giving money to any company tied to Facebook's bottom line and without all my personal data being stolen and sold by Facebook.

    1. Re:VR headset not tied to Facebook? by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      There is also the True Player Games "Totem".

    2. Re:VR headset not tied to Facebook? by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      Keep in mind that Baidu and Alibaba are also the sort of corporation to acquire smaller startups...

    3. Re:VR headset not tied to Facebook? by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      When it's supported in Star Citizen, then I'll take it seriously (if not outright purchase one).

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    4. Re:VR headset not tied to Facebook? by AchilleTalon · · Score: 1

      Resistance is futile!

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  7. Re:Chinese IP Knockoffs Forgo Branding,Now Bypassi by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Oculus Rift VR are not the "original innovators" in any way. they are working atop a ton of previous work and previous products you could buy.

    So when will Raytheon expect your support in VR technology they were one of the "original innovators" of?

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  8. Spying by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 3, Funny

    So the question is will people be more afraid of this Chinese device spying on them or Facebook's Occulus Rift.

  9. Re:Japanese subcontract? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    the slashdot.co.jp faction has modded me Tloll

  10. Competition is great by xtal · · Score: 1

    ..get the damn product finished Oculus.

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  11. Re:Chinese IP Knockoffs Forgo Branding,Now Bypassi by InsultsByThePound · · Score: 1

    The virtual boy was a concept ahead of it's time with no hope of getting hardware to match up to a good experience. Nice idea, shit execution. Even Oculus rift these days is delayed by waiting for hardware (screens) that can match people's expectations, most notably oled screens with a high enough refresh rate.

    But the VB also didn't have 1/10 of the ideas of oculus rift. It was two screen in a set of goggles. It's like comparing a House from the 1650s to one from today. They do the same basic thing and that's it. It's all different from there on down.

  12. Interesting development by jandrese · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Getting VR right is very difficult. Early VR companies all discovered that not only was the technology not quite there (good VR would have been too expensive), but there are millions of little implementation details that you have to get right as well. Oculus has been struggling with that for years now, but they're finally getting close to a mass market product. I hope this company is as committed to getting the details right and realizes that there is more to the product than the bullet list of features on the box.

    If they aren't careful, this could be like the old days (and some say current day) of smartphones, where you could go to Asia and pick up a phone that had an incredible laundry list of features on the box (full web browser! Tunes AM/FM/TV! Integrated music player! push email! etc...) but none of the features worked right and the interface was a convoluted mess and the thing crashed all of the time.

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    1. Re:Interesting development by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      The technology has been good enough for enthusiasts for years now. I had an eMagin head-mounted display with head-tracking about a decade ago. OR promises to be much better, but the only big issue with the eMagin HMD was that Nvidia stopped supporting it in their very next driver release. Playing F.E.A.R. on the device was awesome and terrifying despite a narrow FOV.

  13. Re:Chinese IP Knockoffs Forgo Branding,Now Bypassi by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    They key innovation here was to get the latency down to something reasonable. Nintendo didn't solve that problem, they just avoided it completely by building the game console and display generator into the "headset" directly. Of course they didn't have any motion ability either, so no latency issues to worry about there either.

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  14. I like competition by Torp · · Score: 2

    I'll buy a device from whoever stays in bussiness in the next 5-10 years. Kickstart anyone now? No way.
    Sadly I think this is *still* not the time for working VR.

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    1. Re:I like competition by beer4duke · · Score: 1

      I'll buy a device from whoever ships a product, and the first one will still be in business in the next 5 years. Bring a product!! Oculus? Valve? Sony? ANTVR?? I do not care anymore: I have already been waiting for too long...

    2. Re:I like competition by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Two things really make VR possible today; the accelerometer, and screen technology. Everything else is trivial hardware and software. Had those two technologies been around 20 years ago, we would still be enjoying awesome fluid VR frame rates with flat shaded polygons. While that experience wouldn't mimic reality, it would be a whole other realm worthy of its own experience.

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    3. Re:I like competition by Lockdev · · Score: 1

      You're crazy dude. Have you used even the "old" Oculus Rift? It's safe to say we're well beyond the time for "working" VR. We're in the "holy crap this is getting insanely real" time for VR.

  15. Re:Chinese IP Knockoffs Forgo Branding,Now Bypassi by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

    You said you "prefer to support the original innovators." Nintendo was there before Ocululs, thus, Oculus can't be the 'originals.'

    Heck, if you really want to go back to basics, we can't talk about VR without giving proper credit to the pioneers who brought stereoscopic vision to movie-goers almost 100 years ago.

    I can appreciate the innovations that the ANTVR brings to the field of head-mounted displays, without worrying about "who came up with the general concept of VR first." The ANTVR's 'gun' peripheral, for example, sure seems to be something nobody else thought of, Oculus included.

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  16. Re:Chinese IP Knockoffs Forgo Branding,Now Bypassi by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

    Personally, I think the best part of the ANTVR is the transmutable controller/processing pack/battery pack - a dedicated "gun" peripheral, that's also a dedicated "steering wheel" peripheral, that's also a traditional controller? Oh, and it houses the system's brain and battery as well? Color me pleasantly surprised!

    The WHDI feature sounds pretty cool, too, but I have my reservations about A) how well it will work, and B) how much it adds to the system's overall cost.

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  17. Raising funds on Kickstarter (link) by Meostro · · Score: 1

    Was it too hard to add a link to the ANTVR Kickstarter page?

  18. You havent bought a chinese phone lately by voss · · Score: 1

    You can still buy junk really cheap but you can also buy some scary good phones from china now. I own a Lenovo cell phone and its the best cell phone ive ever owned in terms of reliability and performance.

  19. 1 ms latency what? by hitchhacker · · Score: 2
    I believe the summary put a comma in the wrong place...

    9-axis motion detect with low latency (1 ms), wireless communication

    Should be:

    9-axis motion detect, with low latency (1 ms) wireless communication

    The article mentions nothing of 1ms latency head tracking... it does mention the wireless communication latency being 1ms, however. This is a very important distinction as the latency of head tracking is what the Occulus Rift has appeared to have put the most effort into via their custom 3-way merged sensor chip.

    -metric

  20. Re:Chinese IP Knockoffs Forgo Branding,Now Bypassi by hitchhacker · · Score: 1
    via: http://www.oculusvr.com/blog/b...

    The original Oculus Rift prototypes used a sensor that was readily available on the market, but ultimately we decided to develop our own sensor hardware to achieve an optimal experience. With the new Oculus VR sensor, we support sampling rates up to 1000hz, which minimizes the time between the player’s head movement and the game engine receiving the sensor data to roughly 2 milliseconds. The increased sampling rates also reduce orientation error by providing a denser dataset to integrate over, making the player’s real-world movements more in-sync with the game.

    -metric

  21. Re:Chinese IP Knockoffs Forgo Branding,Now Bypassi by romiz · · Score: 1

    You should check some details on the VirtualBoy. As you can see in this teardown, it does not use screens, but oscillating mirrors with a single 1D LED array by eye. Even if it ultimately failed, it is interesting to see.

  22. Chicken VR by beer4duke · · Score: 1

    It seems that chicken are closer to VR than humans: http://www.secondlivestock.com... Chicken are not ok with devkits!!

  23. Not Facebook by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

    Any VR headset not attached to Facebook is a win in my eyes.

    F Oculus. Won't touch it as long as Facebook has their hand in it. Pass.

  24. Why not both? by rsborg · · Score: 1

    So the question is will people be more afraid of this Chinese device spying on them or Facebook's Occulus Rift.

    You presume these organizations don't share/sell data to each other then? Only winning move in this scenario is simply not to play.

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  25. Re:Chinese IP Knockoffs Forgo Branding,Now Bypassi by javilon · · Score: 1

    If by the original innovators you mean Occulus Rift, it doesn't exist as an independent entity anymore. It is Facebook now.

    Do you really want to support Facebook?

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  26. Re:Chinese IP Knockoffs Forgo Branding,Now Bypassi by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    They are simply a company that is trying to make a high end CHEAP VR goggle and sensor setup.

    you can buy stuff that is better than theirs right now, in fact you have been able to buy better than Oculus Rift's current revision for over 5 years now, It just cost a metric buttload more money.

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  27. Re:Japanese subcontract? by iggymanz · · Score: 1

    not racism, just some harmless linguicism if that's a word

    no the mods not normal people, hand wringers with chips on their shoulder looking for something with which to be offended, with some BS idea between their ears about what racism is.