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Gun Rights Groups Say They Don't Oppose Smart Guns, Just Mandates

Lucas123 (935744) writes "When two gun stores attempted to sell the nation's first integrated smart gun, the iP1, gun advocacy groups were charged in media reports with organizing protests that lead to the stores pulling the guns from their shelves or reneging on their promise to sell them in the first place. But, the National Rifle Association and the National Shooting Sports Foundation say they do not oppose smart gun technology, which they call "authorized user recognition" firearms. "We do oppose any government mandate of this technology, however. The marketplace should decide," Mike Bazinet, a spokesman for the NSSF, wrote in an email reply to Computerworld. However, the argument for others goes that if stores begin selling smart guns, then legislators will draft laws requiring the technology."

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  1. Police by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once the police are happy enough with the technology to use it exclusively, then a mandate is appropriate.

    I'm not holding my breath.

  2. Re: Yes! No more mandates! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You, too, might be upset if the government legislated that all pacemakers run on a derivative of the Win9x kernel.

    Sure, if you want to buy a pacemaker running Win9x then I don't care because that doesn't interfere with my choice. However, when you start telling *me* my safety critical device has to have an unreliable technology incorporated into it, then damn right you are going to encounter my indignant resistance.

  3. Re:Yes! No more mandates! by plover · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If I were to buy a handgun for personal protection, I'd like to have the authorized user recognition technology so that the weapon couldn't be turned against me in a difficult situation. But I'd also not like it mandated. I might want a custom gun, I might want something that works with gloves, I might want something more reliable than a funky computer, I might want a non-crippled device for any number of reasons.

    But I want to make that choice for myself, weighing each instance.

    (Please note: I have never owned any guns, I am not a member of the NRA, I just happen to agree with them in this instance.)

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  4. Let them legislate all they want by ShaunC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    However, the argument for others goes that if stores begin selling smart guns, then legislators will draft laws requiring the technology.

    Let them pass the laws. A few days later, when headlines erupt about stolen "smart" guns being used in murders, or some cop getting killed because his "smart" gun wouldn't fire, the laws will go away soon enough.

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    1. Re:Let them legislate all they want by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      However, the argument for others goes that if stores begin selling smart guns, then legislators will draft laws requiring the technology.

      Let them pass the laws. A few days later, when headlines erupt about stolen "smart" guns being used in murders, or some cop getting killed because his "smart" gun wouldn't fire, the laws will go away soon enough.

      Everything I've seen on the topic, legislation included, always says that LEO guns will default to fire rather than safe, whereas civilian weapons would be required to default to safe.

      Which is a big part of the reason why a lot of folks are against the idea of a "smart" gun mandate.

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  5. Gun grabbers never give up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Funny how the most virulently anti-gun people tend to be the ones who know the least about 'em.

    The unknown is skeery.

  6. I'm very, VERY pro-gun by adric22 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And I have no problem with these smart guns for anyone who wants to buy one. In fact, I could see advantages for these guns under certain circumstances if I was in situations where there was a risk my gun would be taken away from me in a struggle. However, personally I would not want one of these. The main reason being that it is another point of possible failure or breakdown that could keep my gun from firing in the event I need to use it. When people need to use a gun in self-defense they usually have less than a second to make that decision and pull the trigger. THere is no time to be fiddling with some gizmo or something that might prevent the gun from firing.

  7. Re:Yes! No more mandates! by Tyndmyr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hitting pedestrians is pretty much this, yes. However, like with firearms, the vast majority of people have little interest in killing random folks.

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  8. Proposal - by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A federal law stating - that the civilian authorities of any given city or state, be subject to the same firearm restrictions, as the civilians themselves. Yes, including the SWAT, and special response teams. Magazine limits, smart guns, etc. After all, if it is OK, for the average citizen to be subject to proposed restrictions, the the police forces should be governed by the same restrictions.

    1. Re:Proposal - by jcochran · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Didn't pay a whole lotta attention to the constitution and the culture at the time. I'll tell you in nice simple words.

      At the time the constitution was written and the 2nd amendment passed, that allowed the common citizen to have the exact same weaponry as the military of the era.
      Gun? Sure thing.
      Cannon? Yup. That too.
      Warship? If you can afford it, go for it.

      Hmm... Sounds like the police having the same restrictions as random people, including criminals to me. You might want to study up on history again.

  9. Pretty much spot on. by Noishkel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't forget New Jersey passed it's mandate before the technology had even been invented as a functional device. When it was passed it was merely a concept. Beyond that we don't even know how well the technology behind that Armatrex pistol is going to work out. The pistol in question itself is COMPLETELY ill suited for personal defense purposes. Being .22 LR, a round known for piss poor performance and reliably.

    You could easily consider this as just kind of a test bed for future proper defensive arms. And we don't really know just how many ways this equipment might be up having points of failure. I personally imagine that it will be a good decade before any gun maker will consider offering this technology in a significant portion of their wares. We, as people of the gun, prefer things that we know will WORK. Reliability. Is. Critical. Case in point the 1911 is one of the biggest selling handguns on the market. A design invented in... 1911. Over a century old.

  10. Re:Yes! No more mandates! by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The rest are shooting at human silhouettes, basically fantasizing about shooting people. It's really sick.

    And here, I see another person who is fantasizing that other people want to be murderers. It's really sick.

    If you can't draw a moral distinction between murder and self defense, then I sure you never vote and absolutely never serve on a jury.

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  11. Re:There Is No Demand For "smart guns" by ScentCone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    if the gun literally didn't work half the days out of the year, you would be saving 250 lives at the cost of 25, before you count accidents

    Though you're (deliberately, of course) not counting the thousands and thousands of cases each year where defensive brandishment stops an attack. That number hugely exceeds the number of deaths by any method. I'd be more than happy to fetch out a handgun in such a situation, but would not be happy to find that it can't ultimately work because I've got gloves on, or my fingertips are dirty, or a battery is low, or it's too cold out, or I forgot my magic bracelet. Or it happens to be my wife's gun, since her's was handier than mine.

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