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Efforts To Turn Elephants Into Woolly Mammoths Are Already Underway

Jason Koebler writes: "Researchers are working to hybridize existing animals with extinct ones in order to create a '2.0' version of the animal. Using a genome editing technique known as CRISPR, Harvard synthetic biologist George Church has successfully migrated three genes, which gave the woolly mammoth its furry appearance, extra layer of fat, and cold-resistant blood, into the cells of Asian elephants, with the idea of eventually making a hybrid embryo. In theory, given what we know about both the woolly mammoth genome and the Asian elephant genome, the final product will be something that more closely resembles the former than the latter."

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  1. Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Shouldn't they be concentrating on turning Americans into decent people instead?

    1. Re:Misguided by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't they be concentrating on turning Americans into decent people instead?

      There's no reason they can't do both. Things they learn from this experiment may indeed some day be used to improve the human race. (Don't know why you specifically pick on Americans though.)

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    2. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "furry appearance, extra layer of fat"

      Sounds like they are trying to make more Americans

    3. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We've actually diverged into two peoples.. American-Eloi and American-Morlocks.. so we have actually evolved you see.

    4. Re:Misguided by jc42 · · Score: 2

      Shouldn't they be concentrating on turning Americans into decent people instead?

      Nah; they don't have any fossil DNA from humans or other critters known to be decent.

      But we can look forward to Americans who are furry and have an extra layer of fat. And this can be exported to any other part of the world where there's a market for such people.

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    5. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no matter how many times i log in and give you all my mod points i can't seem to get it above -1
      dammit

      but seriously that project sounds futile, we should just do what they do, and install a new government they had no choice on claim we freed them from oppressive regime, take what is rightfully theirs, and then expect them to like it. THEN when it looks bleak for them and they start praying in public we can arrest them strip them naked and humiliate them appropriately for expressing free will

    6. Re:Misguided by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Shouldn't they be concentrating on turning Americans into decent people instead?

      Nah; they don't have any fossil DNA from humans or other critters known to be decent.

      But we can look forward to Americans who are furry and have an extra layer of fat. And this can be exported to any other part of the world where there's a market for such people.

      Oh yeah, because the average bearded fat-ass is so desirable today to the rest of the world.

      Americans cornered the market on obesity. If there was value there, believe me we would have capitalized on it years ago.

    7. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Actually, saudi arabia, kuwait, & UAE have higher rates of obesity.

      >tfw america isn't even #1 in being fat anymore
      sadfrog.jpg

    8. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I think they should focus on breeding stupidity, viciousness, greed, and arrogance out of Europeans first.

      If you look at the past few centuries of world history, these European "qualities" are clearly far bigger problems for the work than American "indecency".

    9. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [...] we can look forward to Americans who are furry and have an extra layer of fat.

      So... Greek?

    10. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More bacon on them, and the beards provide needed dental floss.

    11. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you look at the past few centuries of world history, these European "qualities" were clearly far bigger problems for the work than American "indecency".

      There i fixed that for you

      but if you look past the last few centuries and look at the present its all you assholes,

      but while we're at it lets look back what other awesome great things is america responsible for,
      mass slavery of black people CHECK
      Concentration camps CHECK (Remember no not those ones you had your own but hey who remembers that the japanese don't matter right?)
      stripping afghan men naked and torturing them then posting videos on line CHE... wait that wasnt centuries old was it thats still how you behave..

      fuck you america

    12. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      seriously... do you not realize that Americans are mostly the descendants of Europeans. All that you speak of from centuries past lives on in the current generation of Americans only add a dash of self entitlement and a smidge of gluttony and we're there

    13. Re: Misguided by Yaztromo · · Score: 1

      It's been done. They called the result "Canadians". Yaz

    14. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the bombs... don't forget the bombs bitch.

    15. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given the technology, we would probably end up breeding more Koch brothers.

    16. Re:Misguided by davester666 · · Score: 1

      They are trying something easy first.

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    17. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes previous centuries Europeans were evil, then you fought them drove them off, pacified them, replaced, then surpassed them as the worlds greediest most arrogant viscous people

    18. Re:Misguided by ButchDeLoria · · Score: 1

      We're suffering enough over here, no need to rub it in.

    19. Re: Misguided by mwvdlee · · Score: 1

      So what you are saying is that it cannot be done?

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    20. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      America-envy has become pervasive on Slashdot, lately.

    21. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only would an american assume this is envy based

    22. Re:Misguided by shawn.rynearson · · Score: 1

      "furry appearance, extra layer of fat"

      Sounds like they are trying to make more Americans

      pretty sick burn... We also want to transplant the furry appearance to our scalps, no more male pattern balding.

    23. Re:Misguided by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      Americans have fat because they have wealth.
      The French are thin because they are poor.

      Is poverty so desirable to the world?

    24. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      only the women

    25. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Belgium and other European countries did their share of slaving too. The Japanese internment camps were a far cry from the concentration camps - no Japanese were rounded up and gassed to death. It's still not excusable, but to compare the two is inaccurate.

      Not all Americans condoned that treatment. America doesn't have a monopoly on racism or torture.

    26. Re:Misguided by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When was the last time America took things from a country? We aren't the ones getting oil from Iraq or Afghanistan (the oil companies operating there are primarily Western European or Russian). We prevented Kuwait from being taken over, so it can't be that. Vietnam, nope, not really. Korea? I don't think so, they're doing pretty well and I don't think we took any resources from them. WWII? Okay, we took some land to put military bases on, I'll give you that. On the other hand, a lot of the bases in Western Europe were created because they wanted protection from the Soviets. We also provided a really huge chunk of money to rebuild Western Europe.

      Given the military strength here, I think anyone trying to do that would have a really hard time. Not to mention the armed populace.

      Your plan is disgusting.

  2. Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Where's my cat-girl?

    1. Re:Better idea by jc42 · · Score: 1

      The next project will attempt to bring back the sabre-tooth cat.

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    2. Re:Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Great! The second use of this knowledge: furries!

    3. Re:Better idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would you say no to her?

    4. Re:Better idea by RockDoctor · · Score: 1

      Smilodon (or similar genera)? Kewl! that's enough to make me amble off to RTFA.

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  3. Bad timing? by daemonhunter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe we shouldn't be making woolly mammoths just now, with climate change and all that apocalyptic-ness right around the corner.

    Just sayin'.

    1. Re:Bad timing? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe we shouldn't be making woolly mammoths just now, with climate change and all that apocalyptic-ness right around the corner.

      There will be plenty of prime mammoth habitat. Although tundra is turning into taiga, plenty of formerly glaciated areas are turning into tundra. For instance, the mammoths could live in Greenland, which was completely covered with ice the last time mammoths were around, but already has some areas with commercial reindeer herds.

    2. Re:Bad timing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Lets look back at the records. As the mammoth population declined, temperature increased. Obviously we need more mammoths.

    3. Re:Bad timing? by azcoyote · · Score: 1

      Nah, they'll be perfect when nuclear winter comes around. ;o)

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    4. Re:Bad timing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That was so 2012... I personally think they should try to recreate the giant sloths, because they'd make the syfy show where ""evil corp builds them, they get out of hand and we kill them all with bombs or technology" so much easier...

    5. Re:Bad timing? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 1

      Maybe we shouldn't be making woolly mammoths just now, with climate change and all that apocalyptic-ness right around the corner.

      Just sayin'.

      It depends. Did they find the genes that make them tasty?

    6. Re: Bad timing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Insightful?" Mods are drunk, it's clearly a funny.

    7. Re: Bad timing? by Teranolist · · Score: 1

      Modding it insightful IS the funny part!

    8. Re:Bad timing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe the mammoths will give the polar bears something to eat other than seals...

  4. so... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    why are they doing this?

    1. Re:so... by gbkersey · · Score: 2

      For the circus of course....

    2. Re:so... by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because some idiot paid for it. Unfortunately, that "idiot" is usually a taxpayer that sure as hell didn't get a vote.

      I heard it was paid for someone called John Hammond, a billionaire CEO.

    3. Re:so... by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Umm.. 'cause we can?

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    4. Re:so... by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 4, Interesting

      why are they doing this?

      Why not? Where elephants live, they are a keystone species. They preserve the savanna by knocking down trees, and they dig waterholes that are used by many other animals. Once they are gone from a region, the entire ecosystem can drastically change. It is likely that mammoths had a similar effect in the arctic.

    5. Re:so... by rmdingler · · Score: 1
      Because the current elephant steak is lean and overcooks easily, the extra layer of fat being the operative advantage. Why eat a dry steak?

      And don't get me started on the wooly hair... there won't be much of it at first, but they'll be more than a few 1st class passengers on Kuwait Airways willing to snuggle down with a trademarked Ultra Wooly Throw.

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    6. Re:so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By God, I had to get halfway down the page before the first Jurassic Park reference. Thank you, ArcadeMan.

    7. Re:so... by wulper · · Score: 1

      because they can?

    8. Re:so... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      Indian elephants..

      You're describing African elephants.

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    9. Re:so... by 0xdeadbeef · · Score: 1

      To piss off the whiny Michael Crichtons still left in the world.

    10. Re:so... by flyingsquid · · Score: 3, Informative

      The whole plan seems pretty sketchy. You can't just create a mashup of two distantly related animals and automatically expect to get something viable out of the mix. Mammoths and Asian elephants aren't actually that closely related- African elephant, Asian elephant, and mammoth are thought to have diverged around six million years ago, so mammoths are about as close to Asian elephants as chimps are to humans.

      Hybridization can result in improved fitness if the parents aren't too distantly related. However, the more distant the relationship between the parents, the less likely the offspring are to be viable. Humans and Neanderthals split around 600,000 years ago and were able to successfully interbreed. However, horses and asses split around four million years ago. The offspring- mules and hinnies- are healthy, but they are either sterile or have reduced fertility. Breeding more distantly related animals produces non-viable offspring.

      The article does mention that there have been hybrids between Asian and African elephants, which are slightly more distantly related than Asian elephant and mammoth. What the article neglects to mention is that the only known example of an African-Asian hybrid died several weeks after birth; there are other reports of hybrids being born but strikingly no reports of any surviving. This suggests that mixing mammoth and Asian elephant DNA is going to produce an unhealthy or non-viable offspring.

    11. Re:so... by youngatheart · · Score: 2

      It doesn't make me angry that people have tried to create greater biological diversity, it makes me sad that they have failed. If they fail, then I will be sad, but if they succeed then I will be happy that the world holds something amazing which might help lead to the development of a world where rhinos and mammoths contribute to something even better: a world where the mistakes of our ancestors can be mended.

    12. Re:so... by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      If we have Mammoth DNA why take parts of it? Why not just clone the entire creature? If there are gaps in the DNA string could we not fill them with elephant DNA?

    13. Re:so... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      With all due respect, what you said is correct but unrelated to his point. He was saying mammoths could have an important effect in the arctic region. You may not agree with what he says, but at least read it before replying!

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    14. Re:so... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      That would be replacing thousands of elephant genes with identical, possibly damaged, mammoth genes, instead of just the few that are different.

    15. Re:so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because that's not a thing that real scientists can do yet.

    16. Re:so... by ButchDeLoria · · Score: 2

      Spared no expense.

    17. Re:so... by ButchDeLoria · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is, mammoth and elephant DNA just won't splice?

    18. Re:so... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2
      With all due respect, Indian elephants don't seem to have the effect on their local ecosystem that African elephants do.

      Mostly because they've been domesticated thoroughly, unlike the African elephant.

      No, we're not going to be releasing Mammoths (even fake ones) into the wild. Because they'd essentially be an invasive species anywhere we dropped them, and screw up what ecosystem we released them into.

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    19. Re:so... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      No, we're not going to be releasing Mammoths (even fake ones) into the wild. Because they'd essentially be an invasive species anywhere we dropped them, and screw up what ecosystem we released them into.

      Does it matter? With climate change, the arctic regions are already screwed. Adding variables will simply give them a better chance of finding a new balance once the dust settles.

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    20. Re:so... by queBurro · · Score: 1

      but... these aren't small cane toads, rabbits, foxes etc foolishliy introduced into Oz, these are great big things. If they got out of control we could bulls-eye them in our T-16's!

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    21. Re:so... by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Why not? Where elephants live, they are a keystone species [wikipedia.org].

      That's because they have lived there for millions of years, so the rest of the species in their environment have had plenty of time to adapt ways to deal with the destruction they cause. We have another word for "keystone species" when they are dropped into a different environment that hasn't any adaptations to deal with them: Invasive species.

    22. Re:so... by Kjella · · Score: 1

      I think you're being way too pessimistic, while jumping the gap in one generation might be too much artificially introducing a handful of mammoth genes per generation would surely produce some viable offspring that are closer to the real thing than the last generation. Think of it as a very specific breeding program where we aren't just choosing the traits we want we're actively pushing them through genetic manipulation. It's not a matter of natural selection, it's unnatural selection all the way. If you look at for example domesticated animals, you'll see that's a strong force and with direct genetic manipulation it's on steroids.

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    23. Re:so... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      With all due respect, Indian elephants don't seem to have the effect on their local ecosystem that African elephants do. Mostly because they've been domesticated thoroughly, unlike the African elephant.

      You are both correct here, and utterly irrelevant.

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    24. Re:so... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      Regardless of whether it is even possible or not, the whole reason for trying this at all is not self-evident to me.

    25. Re:so... by Reziac · · Score: 1

      I expect the effect would be rather like that of feral pigs.

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    26. Re:so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're just an elephant racist.

  5. GMO Mammoth Burgers! by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

    Really though, we're trying to genetically resurrect an animal that died off likely due to human depredation and the end of the ice age. Now there are 7 billion MORE humans and the earth is getting warmer.

    Way to jam a genetically square peg into a round hole.

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    1. Re:GMO Mammoth Burgers! by mrxak · · Score: 2

      I would definitely be interested to learn what mammoths tasted like.

    2. Re:GMO Mammoth Burgers! by wiggles · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably similar to bison - the only real ice age megafauna left.

    3. Re:GMO Mammoth Burgers! by Irate+Engineer · · Score: 1

      You can still get frozen mammoth in the Siberian tundra, while supplies last!

      <URL:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2358695/Woolly-mammoth-frozen-Siberia-39-000-YEARS-goes-display-Tokyo-woolly.html/>

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    4. Re:GMO Mammoth Burgers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By that reasoning, every large land mammal from the ice age tasted like bison?

    5. Re:GMO Mammoth Burgers! by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but I'd totally go to the zoo to see a mammoth, and with two young kids I am zooed out.

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    6. Re:GMO Mammoth Burgers! by wiggles · · Score: 1

      You got it!

    7. Re: GMO Mammoth Burgers! by jd2112 · · Score: 3, Funny

      But they are all several thousand years past their "Best if used by" date.

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    8. Re:GMO Mammoth Burgers! by jxander · · Score: 1

      Or chicken.

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    9. Re:GMO Mammoth Burgers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the difference between a buffalo and a bison? ...you can't wash your hands in a buffalo

    10. Re:GMO Mammoth Burgers! by Shatrat · · Score: 1

      I don't think that joke works outside of Australia.

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    11. Re:GMO Mammoth Burgers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would definitely be interested to learn what mammoths tasted like.

      People have eaten mammoths. Long frozen ones.

  6. More "tradition medicine viagra" to sell ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    why are they doing this?

    Its funded by "traditional medicine" merchants. The poachers will soon have killed off the real elephants for their ivory tusks so a replacement is needed. Might as well use mammoths rather than modern elephants since the mammoths will have larger tusks, more ivory to harvest, more "tradition medicine viagra" to sell.

    1. Re:More "tradition medicine viagra" to sell ... by youngatheart · · Score: 1

      You know what, I wish you were right.

      There is little that I would enjoy more than seeing biological and ecosystem diversity empowered by the ignorant and foolish.

      The idea of a world where rainforests and rhinos are abundant as a direct result of stupid people putting their money into funding it makes me so giddy that my cynicism filter cuts in.

    2. Re:More "tradition medicine viagra" to sell ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Y'know there's tons of mammoth ivory buried in Alaskan permafrost. Being half fossilized, it's prettier than fresh ivory.

    3. Re:More "tradition medicine viagra" to sell ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      John Hume trying to legalize the sale of horn he harvests from his ~800 farmed rhinos So far, conservationists have convinced his government not to permit it. I believe he makes some money from selling farm bred baby rhinos to zoos.

  7. Doesn't anyone remember that song by Loverboy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mammoth and elephant DNA just won't splice!

  8. Obligatory by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

    Where's my elephant? - Bart Simpson

  9. Finally! by nospam007 · · Score: 2, Funny

    One step closer to the egg-laying wool-milk-pig.

  10. Times sure are changing by tulcod · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When Intel buys or invents some kind of a new chip process, everyone applauds. When engineers use 3D printing to save a crippled boy's life, everyone celebrates technology. Stick an arduino in a tumor and people scream in ecstasy.

    But when the item of cloning comes in the news, suddenly people back away and ask what it's all good for. Because us humans are not allowed to mess with that.

    Come on people. We invested thousands of years trying to understand the tricks of physics and evolution. We have now got to a stage where we can apply these tricks ourselves and see what we can make of the world.

    Will it turn out for the better? Absolutely nobody knows. But telling scientists not to mess with this takes us back to the middle ages, where scientific incentives were influenced heavily by religious and cultural beliefs.

    Let us show ourselves that we no longer need that. This is the time to end that society of religion and culture. Messing with life, and bringing back the extinct, those are exactly the kind of things that go against all rules of religion that we have adhered to for the past x thousands years. Humans are the new god on planet earth (and beyond?).

    1. Re:Times sure are changing by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Because if we fuck up playing with genetics we could wipe out the human race overnight. Or create species that we can't get rid of and end up replacing good species that we want.

      I'm waiting for T-Rex island and dodos, they look cool. but no more... except triceratops.

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    2. Re:Times sure are changing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not because of religion that I'm against this. It's because maybe there's a damn good reason something went extinct. Bringing anything "back" is likely to have unforeseen consequences. I don't see that any good that can be gained is worth the risk.

      I don't believe in God. Any god. But I do believe that plenty of humans are damn assholes who think they know more than they do, and fucking around with stuff just because you can is a damn good way to learn precisely what "hubris" is.

    3. Re:Times sure are changing by anarkhos · · Score: 1

      Wow, check out the hubris on this guy

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    4. Re:Times sure are changing by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 1

      In all of your examples where people are happy with technology we understand the science and have had time to come to grips with the consequences of our actions. However that is not the case when we blindly throw genes from one species into another. Just because we have the ability to do something doesn't mean that we have the knowledge to use it appropriately.

    5. Re:Times sure are changing by binarstu · · Score: 1

      Although you seem to think that the debate about genetic experimentation is nothing more than a conflict between science religion, I assure you that is not the case.

      "Messing with life", as you call it, has an incredible potential for doing harm if approached carelessly. It doesn't take much imagination to realize this, either: synthetic infectious agents, engineered organisms that displace natural diversity, and so on.

      You state, "Humans are the new god on planet earth (and beyond?)." If you really believe that, than surely you must agree that responsibility and caution need to be part of that job description. Science does not, and never should, exist outside of ethical debate.

    6. Re:Times sure are changing by radtea · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Messing with life", as you call it, has an incredible potential for doing harm if approached carelessly. It doesn't take much imagination to realize this, either: synthetic infectious agents, engineered organisms that displace natural diversity, and so on.

      You've missed the GP's point, and created an instance of his observation.

      There is almost nothing we do that doesn't have "an incredible potential to do harm", and ubiquitous computational intelligence is one of the most obvious candidates for that fear going... yet hardly anyone is afraid of it.

      Ubiquitous computational intelligence (UCI) has the potential to put everyone under constant observation, including position tracking. It has the potential to serve ads to you in your sleep, monitor your caloric intake, keep track and report your alcohol consumption, your masturbation habits... everything. It's Orwell's telescreens on steroids.

      Yet the response to such things on /., while sometimes somewhat skeptical, is mostly positive. Relatively minor messing with the genome of some fairly rare creature, on the other hand, brings out the panic, with flat-out bizarre, anti-Darwinian statements like "these things died out for a reason" (posted by an AC above, who makes points similar to yours.)

      Sure messing with genomes carries risks, but they are comparable to the risks we take with all kinds of technological development, and yet for some reason people seem a lot more sensitive to them. It may not be explicitly religious, but it sure isn't rational.

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    7. Re:Times sure are changing by PPH · · Score: 1

      Or create species that we can't get rid of and end up replacing good species that we want.

      Not a problem. They make this sticky paper you can leave around. Come back in a while and all the mammoths will be stuck to it. Then just throw in garbage.

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    8. Re:Times sure are changing by PPH · · Score: 1

      But when the item of cloning comes in the news, suddenly people back away and ask what it's all good for. Because us humans are not allowed to mess with that.

      And then there's the people who buy SUVs and have them lowered. What's up with that?

      Don't worry about it. Haters gonna hate.

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    9. Re:Times sure are changing by russotto · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or create species that we can't get rid of and end up replacing good species that we want.

      Not to worry, come winter.... OH SHIT THAT DOESN'T WORK WITH MAMMOTHS!

    10. Re:Times sure are changing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem to believe people are against this because it's cloning and there is some sort of religious uneasiness. Most responses here indicate that people are against this because there is absolutely no use for a brand new woolly mammoth. They belong to a long-dead version of the ecosystem. They died off long before a slew of other animals that man is more responsible for eliminating. There are plenty of other animals that should probably be the subject of dedicated conservation efforts long before the extinct mammoth. When they say things like, "we could have herds of woolly mammoths back in the Arctic," in strongly signals to me that they are big on ambition and short on planning.

    11. Re:Times sure are changing by youngatheart · · Score: 2

      We're already doing things that could wipe out the human race overnight. We're already dealing with pythons in the Everglades and zebra mussel epidemics. We've wiped out mammoths, passenger pigeons and very nearly the rhino.

      If we can take steps toward showing the world what we've lost by introducing something that will demonstrate how valuable the species we've wiped out were, then I'm a happy camper. (I'll be camping in a kevlar tent with my rifle handy if we manage to reintroduce dire wolves and saber-tooth tigers, but I'll be happy doing it.)

    12. Re:Times sure are changing by currently_awake · · Score: 1

      I have no problem with reviving lost species, though more recent ones might be a better fit. There is plenty of cold arctic tundra where mammoth could live though they might have to share with starving polar bears due to global warming. What you should be scared of is someone genetically modifying apes by adding human DNA, for the purpose of breeding factory workers that can be owned instead of getting paid.

    13. Re:Times sure are changing by binarstu · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And you've missed my point. Perhaps I didn't explain myself well.

      I absolutely do not disagree that plenty of people have an irrational fear of genetic technologies. Nor do I disagree that we have lots of other ways to screw the world up (you mention the example of massive automated surveillance). And I wasn't arguing that we shouldn't try to resurrect a mammoth.

      The GP seemed to me to be making the argument that 1) negative reaction to "messing with life" is because of antiquated religious sensibilities; and 2) we're gods now, so we should just do whatever the heck we want. I don't find either part of that argument compelling. As for part 1, casting any and all opposition to unbridled genetic experimentation as nothing but religious or cultural fanatacism is a straw man argument, pure and simple. There are lots of very rational reasons to proceed cautiously with certain kinds of genetic experimentation (and plenty of scientists agree with me). Why part 2 is wrong shouldn't require any further explanation, and other commenters have already addressed it.

    14. Re:Times sure are changing by the+biologist · · Score: 1

      the "damn good reason" mammoths went extinct seems to be that we ate them.

    15. Re:Times sure are changing by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      maybe there's a damn good reason something went extinct.

      yes there was likely a damn good reason, the same damn good reason we no longer have Tasmanian tigers or the Dodo as well as hundreds if not thousands of other species. Humans have eradicated a great many species, who knows what knowledge we have deprived ourselves of because of it, perhaps a natural cure to various cancers or the key to longer life.

    16. Re:Times sure are changing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no problem with cloning. However people who buy SUVs and have them lowered should be extinct and never brought back.

    17. Re:Times sure are changing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [Humans are the new god on planet earth (and beyond?)]

      But hang on, isn't that what you're trying to get ride of? Then your new creation grows up and goes on to prove you never existed in the first place.

    18. Re:Times sure are changing by micahraleigh · · Score: 1

      You seem to presuppose it's better to judge by appearances (i.e. science) than personal resolve (i.e. religion/spirituality).

      That is the very definition of superficiality.

      Only on \. could that be construed as persuasive.

      Science was hampered in the middle ages mostly by bad economics (government/monarchical ownership of everything) and picked up dramatically during the commercially-initiated industrial revolution.

  11. Great! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nothing could possibly go wrong.

  12. I for one... by Schaffner · · Score: 4, Funny

    I for one welcome our new hybridized mammoth overlords!

    Come on, you know you wanted to post this first.

    1. Re: I for one... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gets me everytime. Thanks for the laugh.

  13. How to create a wooly mammoth: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 Rub giant balloon on elephant
    2 Walk it through my house
    3 have a wooly mammoth
    4 (optional) help me move to other location, thanks a lot
    no profit, sorry.

  14. i want a carnivorous bunny by maliqua · · Score: 0

    That would be way cooler than a fat hair elephant

    1. Re:i want a carnivorous bunny by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      I think you've watched Monty Python and the Holy Grail too many times.

    2. Re:i want a carnivorous bunny by maliqua · · Score: 3, Informative

      Watching Monty python too many times is an asymptote i can only get infinitely close to watching it too many times

  15. Just let me know by msobkow · · Score: 1

    Just let me know when I can buy a mammoth steak for the BBQ. Sounds tasty. :P

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    I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
  16. Fitting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fat hair elephants, made by fat hair elephants for fat hairy elephants

  17. Furry Elephants in a hotter world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We are making elephants more resistant to cold, just as they don't really need it anymore.

  18. Global Warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe they should ask the elephants if this is a good idea before they strap on a wool coat to their DNS.

    1. Re:Global Warming by 0x537461746943 · · Score: 1

      That is precisely what I was thinking... Global warming... making elephants more resistant to cold... They are going the wrong way... It seems like the are doing it just to do it and not for a real reason to do it.

    2. Re:Global Warming by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      We have to make elephants into corporations to give them such rights.

    3. Re:Global Warming by IwantToKeepAnon · · Score: 1

      Maybe they should ask the elephants if this is a good idea before they strap on a wool coat to their DNS.

      Yeah, but have you ever seen an elephant in a bikini! Shudder ....

      --
      "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." -- Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
    4. Re:Global Warming by operagost · · Score: 1

      Maybe they should ask the elephants if this is a good idea before they strap on a wool coat to their DNS.

      The fact that so many sites still use BIND 8 makes me shiver.

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      Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
  19. Just in time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For Global Warming!

  20. Do they hate wooly mamonths? by kheldan · · Score: 1

    We're experiencing a global warming trend, and you want to resurrect a species of large mammal that was adapted to cold climates?

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    Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
  21. They are pursuing the wrong elephant project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    These scientists need to start genetically engineering tiny elephants we can keep as pets.

    Perhaps by using pot-bellied pig DNA?

    1. Re:They are pursuing the wrong elephant project by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mini-mammoths will be more popular.

  22. Monsanto Mammoth by CanadianMacFan · · Score: 4, Funny

    And they sue you when it tramples your house.

  23. Crossbreeding vs. Genetic Engineering by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 4, Informative

    What you're talking about is basically natural crossbreeding, not the type of genetic engineering that involves modifying the DNA itself of an organism. By "natural" I include such mechanical techniques as artificial insemination, extracting the sperm and eggs from mature adults and mixing them up. With natural crossbreeding you get the whole shebang, you let nature decide which genes become active and dominant. In theory, with DNA level genetic engineering you can specify which traits you want to get. I'm not saying this is a good thing, only that you can potentially get more control by "editing" (the word used in the article) the genes that simpy mixing the semen and egg of two different species.

  24. It's SO BIZARRE! If it looks good, eat it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't wait for the guy from Bizarre Foods to share his experience eating Mammoth penis, testicles, and anus.

    I don't understand the catch phrase:

    If it looks good, eat it!

    The man's eating animal penises, testicles, and other strange parts of an animal's body - do these 'look' good to him and others?

  25. Can't wait by formfeed · · Score: 1

    For the first pot head to show up in a home-spun woolly mammoth sweater.

  26. Wooly What?! by binaryhat · · Score: 1

    Or Woolly Shit!! This should be interesting. Hybrid walking giants!

    1. Re:Wooly What?! by IwantToKeepAnon · · Score: 1

      Hybrid walking giants!

      A gas/electric powered wooly mammoth. Soon Tesla will come out with an electric only model. Progress! Science!! :))

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      "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." -- Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
  27. mammonths won't be a problem by clovis · · Score: 2

    They're already working on the solution of a runaway mammoth population:

    http://news.nationalgeographic...

  28. Is it April 1st again? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

    I do remember reading reprints of this quite prescient April 1st article 30 years ago.

                    http://www.textfiles.com/humor...

  29. really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    everyone's guilty but some are more guilty than others...

  30. Mammut good by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

    Or create species that we can't get rid of

    This is why you start with Mammoth. It's not like you are going to misplace them, or walk out our BSL2 with one stuck to our shirt. And we know they are habitat limited and that we can hunt them to extinction.

    But seriously, we genetically engineer lab mice and rats all the time, even hybridising them with human genes, and no-one bats an eyelash. This is the same process, just using elephants with specific mammoth genes.

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    Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
  31. Yabba dabba doo. by harvey+the+nerd · · Score: 1

    [Flintstones] Can't wait for that mammoth burger.

    1. Re:Yabba dabba doo. by IwantToKeepAnon · · Score: 1

      [Flintstones] Can't wait for that mammoth burger.

      [Murphy] I'm not cookin' no $@#$ brontosaurus burgers! This ain't the $@#$ Flintstones, Gus! Look at Charlie standing over there with 3rd degree burns

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      "Happy families are all alike; every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." -- Anna Karenina by Leo Tolstoy
  32. Your hysteria is hysterical by FatLittleMonkey · · Score: 2

    However that is not the case when we blindly throw genes from one species into another. Just because we have the ability to do something doesn't mean that we have the knowledge to use it appropriately.

    Except the technology being used here is the same as is routinely used to genetically engineer lab animals with genes from other species, even (and especially) human genes, in order to explore gene functionality.

    The only difference is that it's using elephants with mammoth genes, instead of rats, mice, pigs, dogs, monkeys, etc, with human or jellyfish genes. It even sounds like they've mapped the function of the first three genes they've chosen, and they've started in a cell culture to test their technique. Wow, it's almost like they're being scientific about it.

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    Science is all about firing a drunk pig out of a cannon just to see what happens.
  33. Just in time for Global Warming by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just what a warmer earth needs, a creature that died out when the Ice Age started to decline.

  34. Why? by wilkinism · · Score: 1

    How do these experiments benefit mankind, other than manufacturing a new zoo attraction?

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    -Bryan
  35. hamarisite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lets look back at the records. As the mammoth population declined, temperature increased. Obviously we need more mammoths.
    http://hamarisite.net/tag/samsung/

  36. Velociraptor by stvyrayvhn · · Score: 1

    Didn't we learn a lesson from this from a movie once?

  37. Deep in the genetics hot lab... by JonathanHart · · Score: 1

    The geneticist works quietly at some titrations, making small adjustments and jotting down notes in his notebook, it's late, the geneticist hot caught up in a task and lost track of time. Suddenly, Jeff Goldblum appears behind him and gently places his hands on the scientists shoulders. "Oops, didn't mean to frighten you." He says as his right hand snakes down into the pocket of his black leather jacket. He extracts a small dropper filled with water, slowly raises the dropper just above the geneticists hand and squeezes out a single drop. Which rolls down. And then another in the same spot, which rolls down a different route. "Life finds a way." he whispers and disappears as quickly as he arrived. The geneticist chuckles to himself as wipes off his hand, he'd heard of other geneticists getting "Jurassic Parked," but just had not believed that Goldblum would have that kind of free time.

  38. Why don't we just... by kazekirifx · · Score: 1

    ...engineer an ape by modifying human DNA to have hair all over its body. Sounds like pretty much the same idea.

  39. Great Idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah yes, lets create cold-weather suited animals when the entire planet is warming up, great idea.

  40. Has no one seen Jurassic Park? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Really? Do we honestly think that creating animals/bringing them back is that great of an idea?