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HP Makes More Money, Cuts 16,000 Jobs

jfruh (300774) writes "Good news for HP: Profits are up by 18% over the previous year! Bad news for HP: A lot of those profits are from post-Windows XP PC upgrades, and company revenue actually dipped 1%. The solution, according to CEO Meg Whitman, is "continuous improvement in our cost structure," which means firing thousands of people. At the end of the next round of layoffs, the company will have shed 50,000 employees since 2012." New submitter Deveauxes (3664417) links to a similar story from CNN's news service, according to which "HP said the latest layoffs would come across all its business units and geographic locations, and would generate $1 billion in annual savings beyond the $3.5 to $4 billion projected from the previously announced cuts. 'No company likes to decrease the work force, and we recognize that this is difficult for employees,' CEO Meg Whitman said in a conference call with analysts. 'I think everyone understands the turnaround we're in.'"

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  1. It's sad what has happened to HP by jhylkema · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They used to make really cool, quality stuff (Agilent Technologies anyone?) Now they're reduced to selling disposable printers and ink that costs more than vintage Dom. Gee thanks, Carly.

    1. Re:It's sad what has happened to HP by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So instead of leveraging their assets (their employees) to develop new and relevant products they choose to gut the place to appease shareholders in the short-term. What a disgusting waste. The brand HP is meaningless without the talent that once stood behind it.

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    2. Re:It's sad what has happened to HP by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hewlett-Packard . . . ? A company built up by great engineers, run down by bad MBAs . . .

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  2. Just think of how much they'd save if they just by mark_reh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    got rid of ALL the employees!

    I suggest they start at the top!

  3. Blueprint for success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1. Build a product people want to buy. Do not shit on your customers. (HP is now failing here)
    2. Support your products to a reasonable degree. (HP is failing here too)
    3. Treat employees like valued portion of the business. (Huge HP failure here)

    There you have it. The SROP (standard republican operating procedure) is now being followed at HP. HP is on a death spiral into garbage land. A few key wealthy republicans are profiting massively, and working people are getting screwed.

  4. Re:Meg and Carly sitting in a tree by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

    But she could devastate the local economy and thousands of families to increase the already profitable company's margin even more for the rich shareholders.

    Apparently, that is how capitalism is supposed to work.

    Shareholders get wealthy at the expense of the rest of the economy.

    They teach this stuff in school these days. So it must be true.

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  5. Printer Ink by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All of my calculators used to be HP, all of my bench equipment was HP or Tektronix. But these days, I no longer own an ink-jet printer, so I don't buy printer ink, so HP has nothing for me.

    There are many brands that no longer represent their heritage: Philips, Zenith, Bell Labs, Kodak...

    It's sad, but it's life, HP hasen't been a "high tech" company foe several years, they have been a "re-brander" of Chinese consumer products.

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  6. Brought to you by the campaign to re-elect.... by eclectro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It proves that if you can give a corporation tax breaks and throw off the shackles of regulation, they will do better and want to hire more people. Oh...wait.

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  7. Re:Innovation? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Their CEOs don't believe they have a future. Better for them to loot and pillage before jumping off the boat.

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  8. Badly run company does badly... by Karmashock · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Shocking.

    HP is screwed up. Who actually likes their products anymore that has a clue? Even their printers are nothing special anymore. That company has no market. The only time I see HP stuff as at big box stores where they're competing for the least informed computer purchases.

    Does the smart money buy HP? When was the last time it did?... Exactly. HP is a dying company.

    Current management needs to get the axe and the company needs to be restructured there after.

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  9. Fire all the workers. Brilliant! by bongey · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MBA1: We should fire all the workers, look how much money we would save. MBA2: Brilliant!!

  10. Can I have a pinch of salt with that by mrops · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Being an Indian, I understand the frustration when support goes out to some dude in India who barely speaks English. I have been there myself, not only that, I have been asked how I made it to Canada.

    Nonetheless, those that do make the H1B cut are not the same that answer those phone calls. H1B may be fresh grads, however most have engineering degrees, at the start of which they had to compete against 500,000 applicants for a under 10000 seats. Further, seats in Computer engineering which are valued more so than others are probably around 1000.

    Furthermore, there is a contrast in fee, in US, a student might have to bail out if he cannot afford the education, so not only do you have to be smart, you have to be rich, contrasting that to peanuts, the competition gets very very tough back in India.

    So joke all you want, those that do make it to US are rather smart and hard working.

    I'm not saying they are not exploited, they are. The solution is simple, the employer has to prove, H1B is needed as local talent cannot be found, if thats the case, do not tie H1B to an employer, let the employee roam free. You will see a drastic cut in H1B and abuse of new immigrants.

    1. Re:Can I have a pinch of salt with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The problem isn't Hindi-speakers, it is the US H-1B system that may not have a lot of people totally, but in the relatively narrow market of development and IT, it severely destroys wages.

      The threat of a H-1B is like one not seen in any other industry. If you are a lawyer, accountant, or in any other profession, your boss can't threaten (and follow through) with being fired and replaced with someone who works for $16,000 a year, has a full CCIE or MCSE. In /. post a few days ago, I had a similar experience to someone who posted about being fired after he cleaned up a bad admin and was replaced by a H-1B because his boss said, "H-1Bs don't do sabotage".

      It is the abuse of H-1Bs, and the fact that they seem to be treated by management as the emissaries of $DEITY, the solution for all problems.

      As for proving H-1Bs are needed, that is trivially easy to abuse. I've seen places have a "secret requirement" for jobs, where -nobody- fits the requirement, so they get their minimum wage worker. I personally have had to train a H-1B replacement whose only qualification over me was the fact that he was a bargain basement worker, and that if he didn't toe the line 24/7/365, he would be sent back to Mumbai almost immediately.

      Another excuse for H-1Bs I've personally seen were job reqs that had three pages of listings. Again, nobody had 12 years of Windows Server 2012, 25 years of OS X, and so on. Again, nobody locally meets those reqs, so the company hits Tata or Infosys and lo and behold, they get a H-1B for that developer position who is willing to work obscene hours for peanuts.

      Don't take it personally. It isn't the H-1B who is trying to make life better for themselves. It is the fscked US system and the managers who abuse the process, begging politicians to open the floodgates and entirely destroy work segments, similar to how meat packing and textiles were destroyed as blue collar work.

      It is so common, it is obscene. I have seen perfectly competant developer groups tossed and all coding offshored. The result was broken stuff that ended up requiring more money and man-hours to get working than it would have cost in paying some people decent salaries.

    2. Re:Can I have a pinch of salt with that by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      So joke all you want, those that do make it to US are rather smart and hard working.

      sorry, not my experience at all (20+ years in the bay area and I have tons of experience with indians). they THINK they are good, but the code quality, design quality and attention to detail is far below par.

      I hate saying that. I really do, but it tends to be true. indians study by memorizing and they tend to be great at that; but when it comes to thinking things thru, they fall down. the education system encourages rote memorization.

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    3. Re:Can I have a pinch of salt with that by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The annual number of H1B visas issued 85,000.

      However, the number of H1B visas working in the USA is closer to 750,000 today.

      (it was about 650,000 in 2009.
      http://cis.org/estimating-h1b-...)

      There are roughly five million STEM jobs including immigrant labor and native born labor.

      So about 1/8 of all these jobs are taken by H1B visas.

      Meanwhile, there are almost double the number of native born with STEM degrees.

      There is not a shortage of workers. There is a shortage of workers willing to work for low wages.

      http://www.breitbart.com/Big-G...

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    4. Re:Can I have a pinch of salt with that by dryeo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not so much the low wages but being in-servitude. Employers love having workers who will do anything they're asked and that they don't have to worry about them complaining about things like working conditions or going to work somewhere better.

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    5. Re:Can I have a pinch of salt with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Don't let them get to you. The only people I see complaining about H1Bs "taking all the jobs," are a bunch of out of touch old fogies who refuse to keep their skills up to date and relevant. (Note: there are still a lot of good peeps in that age group, and this comment was not directed at them). You are better than them, so just forget all that noise and come join us, in a new age, a new reality of instantaneous sharing of knowledge and ideas from across the globe, my brother in code. Come rejoice with us, and share your gift, whatever that gift may be. Share it far and share it wide and share it for the betterment of all mankind.

      Fuck off. I don't give a shit about sharing, I only want money. The fact of the matter is increasing the supply of labor hurts everyone from the bottom to the top. For highly valued coders it may just mean the difference between $120,000 / year and $130,000, but that's still a difference.

      If citizenship means nothing, as the upper class would have you believe, then why bother being part of this state? Why shouldn't we break off and live on our own? The government is happy to take our money to support itself, but does everything it can to stop us from getting ahead.

    6. Re:Can I have a pinch of salt with that by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      " There is a shortage of workers willing to work for low wages."
      which means they should paid more oh, right. Corporation get to maneuver around the free market when it suits them.

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  11. Re:Steve Jobs Was Ruthless, so cry ... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    in the last few decades, there has been mass mind-reprogramming that seems to convince people that 'profit above all else, to the exclusion of all else' is what american companies are supposed to be about.

    but go back to our grandfather's days and you would find social responsibility (which was hard fought for, during the union days). companies DID care and they DID shoulder the burden during hard times, because they saw value in the INVESTMENT in their work force! it was common for people to work at the same company for 20, 30 even 40 years!

    find anyone like that today. I dare you. if you find someone working 20 yrs at the same place, its extremely rare.

    this is now how it used to be. and don't accept that this was always how it was and how its meant to be. that's brainwashing by the new capitalists who are no better than white collar criminals, these days.

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  12. Re:non news by Billly+Gates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... and the good performers, innovators, and managers as well. You are left with those who just need a job because they have a questionable resume.

    People forget companies do not create great products. PEOPLE DO! I can't make the best widget in the world without the best engineers. ID Software needed John Carmack to make doom back in the 486 days before 3d cards. It was not the brand image that created it. It was the employee.

    HP cares more about financially engineering its stock price to rise each quarter and then sell it when it can't maximize than to innovate.

    Fiona really did a job on that company. Most of the innovators went to Agilent systems which makes more money than to try to monopolize the pc market which is what Fiona wanted by buying compaq and just focusing on this. Bad bed and the Bill and Hewlett way is gone. As good employers were fired if they did not leave already as senior folks cost money etc.