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Wikipedia Medical Articles Found To Have High Error Rate

Rambo Tribble (1273454) writes "A group of researchers publishing in the Journal of the American Osteopathic Association found that 90% of the Wikipedia articles they sampled contained errors regarding common medical conditions. Unsurprisingly, they recommend your General Practitioner as a more reliable source, while noting, '47% to 70% of physicians and medical students admitting to using [Wikipedia] as a reference.' At issue in the study is the small sample size the researchers used: 10 medical conditions. There are also ongoing efforts to improve the quality of Wikipedia's articles. According to a Wikipedia spokesman, '... especially in relation to health and medicine.' The BBC has more approachable coverage."

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  1. Let's get this out of the way... by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    [Citation Needed]

    But also, Osteopathy leaps a bit toward the âoealternative medicineâ side of things, it wouldnâ(TM)t surprise me if Osteopaths have some issues with medical articles based on more traditional medicine.

    Having said that, how dare these quacks question the accuracy of Wikipedia! Donâ(TM)t they know they can run the gantlet of snooty Uber Editors with âoeownership issuesâ and correct these articles themselves? Of course you can be banned doing thatâ¦

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    1. Re: Let's get this out of the way... by LifesABeach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One has to question the motives of a "group of reasearchers" that read an article, that can be edited, that the editors plead you edit, and then these "group of reasearchers" beat their chests in superiority. It would appear that the ability to "reach down deep, and grow a pair" is beyond this "group of reasearchers?"

    2. Re:Let's get this out of the way... by mspohr · · Score: 4, Informative

      From Wikipedia (sic):
      "As with all forms of complementary and alternative medicine, the practice of osteopathy does not always adhere to evidence-based medicine (EBM). "

      Pot... Kettle... Black

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    3. Re:Let's get this out of the way... by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Informative

      Anyone care to guess how many of those "inaccuracies" they cite involve criticisms of quackery like osteopathy?

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    4. Re: Let's get this out of the way... by M1FCJ · · Score: 4, Funny

      We're talking about osteopaths, they wouldn't know their arse from their elbows...

    5. Re: Let's get this out of the way... by Archtech · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The situation seems analogous to that of a journalist and/or photographer reporting on a disaster in which people are hurt or killed. It is often said that they would help more if they dropped their notebooks and cameras and pitched in to help rescuers. But then no one would be doing the presumably useful job of recording events.

      The researchers in this case were trying to establish the accuracy of Wikipedia articles. Simultaneously editing would be both a distraction and a conflict of interest - much like moderating and contributing to the same Slashdot thread.

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    6. Re: Let's get this out of the way... by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They're full medical-type doctors. They had some ancient history related to bone and joint manipulation, but that's now like a barber's pole having the red swirl because they used to do bloodletting.

      They do everything including up through cardiology and cardio-thoracic surgery with the exact same training and science-based medicine. I've been to DOs a lot more than MDs.

      There should be no daylight between an MD and a DO on treatment.

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  2. A openly editable source has errors? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am shocked. Shocked. No one would use a widely accessed platform to push a POV nor would it be adequately vetted by professionals for accuracy and completeness and edits limited to trusted sources. Add in that their are many more people who think they are experts that aren't and it is a wonder that Wikipedia's accuracy is above 0%.

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    1. Re:A openly editable source has errors? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Interesting

      No controls. I am going to hazard a bet that if they did this to Web MD, Mayo Clinic or any one of the innumerable other lay accessible web sites, they would get similar results. Given that even the '10 most expensive medical conditions in the country' are not fully explained, categorized or treated having different interpretations or different recommendations is hardly surprising.

      Even with professionally sourced and vetted resources you will find differences of opinion. Hell, even the 'reference' documents on a particular condition have differing conclusions depending on whose writing them and who won the argument in the committee.

      To a first approximation, everything you know is wrong. Take it from there.

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  3. Re:It's not just medical information.... by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, I guess it's no fucking good at all, we should kill the site, eradicate the errors and force everyone to pay bazillions for equally dubious mainstream encyclopedias or megabazillions for medical references.

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  4. Now, combine it with the /. error rate by mehrotra.akash · · Score: 5, Funny

    A /. article mentions that Wikipedia has an error in 90% of medical articles
    Now, keep in mind that /. itself has an error in x% of news items posted here
    So, the actual error rate of Wikipedia medical articles should be (1-x/100)*90 % shouldnt it?
    Assuming it is actually 90% would lead to the conclusion that /. has a 0% error rate...

  5. Osteopath cred? by Geste · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Like I am going to accept wisdom from a bunch of osteopaths???

    1. Re:Osteopath cred? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, you can accept wisdom from osteopaths. First, you have to take a single drop and put it in a vat of thousands of gallons of water. Then you distill that until one drop is left. Put that drop in a second vat of thousands of gallons of water, take one drop of the result, and then go to the NIH and get them to fund a study. Complete the study, get it peer-reviewed and published in a real journal. Then you'll have accepted wisdom from osteopaths. Trust me, it's the homeopathic way.

    2. Re:Osteopath cred? by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Right? A group of people practicing what is basically a total scam are questioning a site that might threaten their scam publicly?

      I suspect the real article they'd like to discredit on Wikipedia is this one:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O...

      the practice of osteopathy does not always adhere to evidence-based medicine

      and

      In general, the results of randomized, controlled clinical trials have not proven osteopathy to be an effective therapy. Reviews of scientific literature produce little evidence that osteopathic manipulation is effective for the treatment of musculoskeletal pain,[21] or for pediatric conditions.[22]

      A 2013 Cochrane Review reviewed six randomized controlled trials which investigated the effect of four types of chest physiotherapy (including OMT) as adjunctive treatments for pneumonia in adults and concluded that "based on current limited evidence, chest physiotherapy might not be recommended as routine additional treatment for pneumonia in adults."[23]

      In the United Kingdom, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence only recommend osteopathy for the treatment of persistent lower back pain. They say there is insufficient scientific evidence that osteopathy is effective for non-musculoskeletal conditions, or that osteopathy is an effective treatment for neck pain, shoulder pain, or limb pain.[3]

    3. Re:Osteopath cred? by Animats · · Score: 4, Informative

      Mod parent up. This is from a group of osteopaths. Here's what Wikpedia has to say about osteopathy:

      (Osteopaths) believe that their treatments, which primarily consist of moving, stretching and massaging a personâ(TM)s muscles and joints, help allow the body to heal itself.

      As with all forms of complementary and alternative medicine, the practice of osteopathy does not always adhere to evidence-based medicine (EBM). There are few high-quality research studies demonstrating that osteopathy is effective in treating any medical condition other than lower back pain.[2][3] In the UK, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence recommends osteopathy for the treatment of persistent lower back pain.[4] However, analysis of peer-reviewed research yields little evidence that osteopathy is effective for non-musculoskeletal conditions, and limited evidence that osteopathy is an effective treatment for some types of neck pain, shoulder pain, or limb pain.

      No wonder they're unhappy with Wikipedia.

      Now if Cell or JAMA or The New England Journal of Medicine complained about Wikipedia, that would be worthy of note.

    4. Re:Osteopath cred? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Funny

      You took the wrong path there. Turn around before you get hurt.

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  6. The "mistakes" don't make a whole lot of sense. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes, I get that no article on Wikipedia is going to be 100% accurate, but this study is just plain bunk.

    First off, they mention that they had "experts" review 10 articles for the most expensive-to-treat medical issues. They have all kinds of mathematical figures, but nowhere do they actually list key things like:

    - Who was it that reviewed each article?
    - Were they an expert in that field, or an osteopath?
    - Which "peer-reviewed sources" were they using?
    - How did they determine mistakes?

    None of these questions are answered in the "methods" section of their paper. Further, their OWN SOURCES dispute what they found. For instance, they link to http://jop.ascopubs.org/content/7/5/319.abstract?ijkey=428353f0b3eb338fad1bf0f79139dd275c7670fe&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha , a study that looked at cancer information on Wikipedia versus information in a maintained professional database on the same subject. What did they find?

    "Conclusion: Although the wiki resource had similar accuracy and depth as the professionally edited database, it was significantly less readable. Further research is required to assess how this influences patients' understanding and retention. "

    This sounds like bunk to me.

  7. physicians use wikipedia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am a physician, and I admit that I use it on an irregular basis. But let's keep this in context. I don't look up how to diagnose or treat conditions. I do use it to look up obscure things, as well as review anatomy. Information that either is just for personal knowledge that is not critical to management (example: what is the name of the nerve that innervates the serratus anterior?), or information that is hard to get wrong (example: what are the muscles of the knee called? I once had to look up VMO because I could not remember what the "O" stood for). Even then, if it makes even a small difference, I always look it up further in a medical resource. So I am one of the 47-70% of physicians who look up facts in wikipedia. I don't think that is a bad thing.

  8. Disregard the percentages by Gaygirlie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Using percentages when speaking of a sample size of...god damn 10 conditions....is just really effing stupid and looks like it was specifically meant as click-baiting. The honest way of saying this would have been simply "The researchers sampled 10 conditions on Wikipedia and found that 9 of them were incorrect." See? No alarmist "90%omgomgworld'sgoingtoburn" bullshit there.

    Now, call me back when the sample size is actually worth a damn. 10 conditions out of all the bajillion different ones mentioned on Wikipedia is simply too little to draw any sort of meaningful rule about the quality of them all.

  9. Re:It's not just medical information.... by bhcompy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Which is why you use Wikipedia as a source aggregator rather than a direct source of correct information.

  10. Re:It's not just medical information.... by danlip · · Score: 4, Informative

    Study: Wikipedia as accurate as Britannica - published by Nature, not Anonymous Coward.

  11. Re:It's not just medical information.... by jellomizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wikipedia like an old fashion encyclopedia, isn't the end point of knowledge but the start of it.

    Back in 4th grade we had to do research and using the Encyclopedia was considered a valid source... By 6th grade, after we got use to using the encyclopedia, we were taught not to use it as a valid source, but as a start of information as to help you know what you don't know.

    Wikipedia isn't a trusted source for facts or details... But it is good on giving you a broad overview on the topic, so you can know what you don't know and dig further using real references. To find the truth you are looking for.

    The real difference between Wikipedia vs the Encyclopedia is Wikipedia is current with a huge amount of topic , but often with fad ideas. The Encyclopedia is often has less topics and older sometime out of date information, but it more better verified for the current science of the times.

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  12. Compared to? by RobinH · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only useful comparison would be against a print-edition encyclopedia. What percentage of medical articles in a typical encyclopedia contain errors? The other thing is, just because it contains "an error" doesn't mean it isn't useful. We get through most days with a fairly flawed view of reality (most of us anyway).

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  13. Nothing to stop the errors creeping in by FridayBob · · Score: 4, Informative

    For a few years I maintained a sizeable collection of Wikipedia articles. I was very meticulous in checking all of the data, trying to use only the best sources and citing them all, per section of each sentence if necessary. However, it was a constant battle to keep others from adding anything from dubious information found in newspaper articles ("Somebody printed it, so it must be true!") to subtle attempts at vandalism (e.g. changing 501 mg to 502 mg for no reason). Many poor articles are eventually raised up to a certain level, but over time the good ones are also erroded to a point where they contain many more errors than expected. Other than relying on armies of experts (who often receive little respect) to constantly police their articles, Wikipedia has no mechanisms to prevent this from happening. It's a fundamental problem for them, but one which they can do little about without changing their most basic policies.

  14. Re:It's not just medical information.... by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Ah... but that's a different kind of study, because you're comparing two things that actually exist. Notice this story is a different type: "90% of wikipedia articles contain errors." OK. But the second part... "your General Practitioner as a more reliable source" is actually entirely outside this study!

    If you want to support a conclusion like that, here's what you have to do: have some randomly-selected GP's write wikipedia-like articles, doing no more background research than they would do for a typical patient (i.e. within the space of about 7 minutes). Then do a blinded, comparative quality study between the GP-authored articles and the real wikipedia ones.

    That's what all these wikipedia-critiquing studies have in common - implicitly comparing to an ideal that does not exist. (But since everything is flawed, does that mean everything is equally flawed? No!)

  15. I am a physician... by tpjunkie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    in residency, and yes, from time to time I'll look up something on wikipedia on my phone for a quick overview if its a condition I'm not familiar with, or is outside my specialty, and I'm rounding or otherwise away from a computer. However, I don't use it for treatment or diagnostic purposes; there exist much better, peer reviewed sources for that, which I will happily access from a computer. That being said, I'd say a large amount of the wikipedia articles tend to be pretty decent, and at least sound as if they've been written by someone with some sort of formal medical treatment. They get the quick and dirty job done about 75% of the time for me.