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Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064?

the_newsbeagle (2532562) writes "As part of a 50th anniversary celebration, IEEE Spectrum magazine tries to peer into the technological future 50 years out. Its biomedical article foresees the integration of electronic parts into our human bodies, making up for physical, emotional, and intellectual disabilities. The article spotlights the visionaries Hugh Herr, an MIT professor (and double amputee) who wants to build prosthetic limbs that are wired directly into the nervous system; Helen Mayberg, who has developed brain pacemakers to cure depression; and Ted Berger, who's working on neural implants that can restore memory function."

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  1. Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No.

    Next question?

    1. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it can. By ending all human life.

    2. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Arith · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think a better question is: Can the general populace AFFORD cybernetic fixes for their particular problem.
      The answers are the same.

    3. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Can the general populace AFFORD to have a device that's a calendar and a phone and a music player and a camera and a game machine?

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    4. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Yes, but only if you're willing to have it subsidized by installing nano-cameras in your anus.

      http://www.smbc-comics.com/?id=3370#comic

    5. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by chinton · · Score: 1

      I don't have $6 million dollars. Do you?

    6. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a communication device! I'm going to cum!

    7. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by marcello_dl · · Score: 2

      No.

      Next question?

      No.

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    8. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      These days, 6 million would barely buy a bionic finger.

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    9. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Let me know when the prosthetics can run on a fuel cell based on human fat, and then I think you'll get LOTS of people interested.

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    10. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Can the general populace AFFORD to have a device that's a calendar and a phone and a music player and a camera and a game machine?

      Those items come bog standard off an assembly line by the millions if not billions, with no individual tuning necessary. Just looking at the basic "augments" like prescription glasses and hearing aids there's tons of personal adjustment. I very much doubt you'll be able to find "one size fits all" cybernetics.

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    11. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by lgw · · Score: 1

      While that would be quite clever, advances in battery power are a big part of why fully functional prosthetics seem likely to me. I don't think it will take anywhere near 50 years, either, at least for the physical disabilities. The mental stuff is a whole different world.

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    12. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Moheeheeko · · Score: 1

      Not if you did it in Mexico.

    13. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Or India but your mileage might vary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

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    14. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      My point is the biggest physical disability is obesity. Even (or especially) among cyborgs, who have a problem exercising enough to keep weight down. If we had a way to burn that fat for say, recharging our cell phones or our prosthetics, then you'd solve the obesity problem overnight.

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    15. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Ozymandias_KoK · · Score: 2

      You could probably do this via some VR solution of a world with just enough problems to make it believable. Can't be too perfect. At any rate, you'd probably have all sorts of people signing up for that, and you could harvest that energy generated from their fat for whatever reasons you wanted.

    16. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by camperdave · · Score: 2

      Just looking at the basic "augments" like prescription glasses and hearing aids there's tons of personal adjustment. I very much doubt you'll be able to find "one size fits all" cybernetics.

      True. But consider the revolutions in 3D printing and CAD/CAM technologies. What was once an arduous and expensive process (a well manufactured one-off part) is no longer a pricey pipe dream. Prescription lenses are a good example. They are no longer simply off the shelf "one size fits all" lenses, but are custom ground. As manufacturing gets better, we'll begin to see adaptive augments. Hearing aids, for example, already can be customer tuned. We'll not see "one size fits all" cybernetics, but individual and highly customizable cybernetics.

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    17. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      prescription glasses and hearing aids there's tons of personal adjustment.

      30 years ago, I paid nearly $100 for a decent pair of prescription glasses. Now I buy them online for $6/pair. A generation ago, a crappy hearing aid cost thousands. Today, you can buy a far better device for $39. I bought one for my father-in-law, and he describes it as "fantastic".

      I very much doubt you'll be able to find "one size fits all" cybernetics.

      The personalization is done by custom manufacturing. We already have that today. It is still expensive because the technology is new, but there is nothing inherently expensive about it. Prices are already falling. So they scan your arm, then a computer designs your prosthesis, and it is printed out on a 3D printer. Heck, we can do that now.

    18. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Dareth · · Score: 1

      $6 million for a down payment?

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    19. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Maybe in the USA, but don't forget other countries have a sane healthcare system.

    20. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Liposuction works too. But carrying some fat isn't in itself a concerning health issue: it's the eating and exercise habits correlated with it (e.g., fat cells don't cause adult-onset diabetes, the same bad eating habits cause both).

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    21. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by lgw · · Score: 1

      Pure awesome. I suspect you flew under the mods radar, but +5 virtual funny.

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    22. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A pair of plastic lenses and a metal frame easily goes over $500 per purchase in the U.S.

      To think that any health aid will not quickly be monopolized by appropriate franchise is naive, to say the least.

    23. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      30 years ago, I paid nearly $100 for a decent pair of prescription glasses. Now I buy them online for $6/pair.

      Description of all the problems with your eyes, and link, please.

      A generation ago, a crappy hearing aid cost thousands. Today, you can buy a far better device for $39.

      Definition of "generation", please, description of the severity of hearing loss, and link to a decent hearing aid for $39.

      Your post reads like one of those Capitalist Magazine "THANKS TO THE FREE MARKET EVERYTHING IS NEARLY FREE!" hilarious propaganda pieces.

    24. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by ranton · · Score: 1

      Can the general populace AFFORD to have a device that's a calendar and a phone and a music player and a camera and a game machine?

      Those items come bog standard off an assembly line by the millions if not billions, with no individual tuning necessary. Just looking at the basic "augments" like prescription glasses and hearing aids there's tons of personal adjustment. I very much doubt you'll be able to find "one size fits all" cybernetics.

      200 years ago the idea of creating billions of similar products is what would have been considered far fetched. Changes to manufacturing allowed for assembly plants to rework society. Changes in manufacturing due to advances in 3D printing could do for the next century what the assembly line did for the 1900s. It is true today that things must be mass producible to be cheap, but that may not be true in the very near future.

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    25. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can the general public afford computing power in their pocket that is greater than used on the manned missions to the moon?

      Yes, only after 4 decades and the exponential rate of technological change means the same progress will happen again in far less time.

    26. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the USA has a sane healthcare system?
      since when?
      sorry I have to ask

    27. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by burisch_research · · Score: 1

      30 years ago, I paid nearly $100 for a decent pair of prescription glasses. Now I buy them online for $6/pair.

      Where? I could use some $6 glasses! I'm still paying $100/pr. And I need a new pair.

      A generation ago, a crappy hearing aid cost thousands. Today, you can buy a far better device for $39. I bought one for my father-in-law, and he describes it as "fantastic".

      Where? My brother would be very interested!

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    28. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      Nonsense. You can get one online for about $20.

    29. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      My understanding was that we're not sure about that yet. We do know that various toxins can be dissolved in fat cells, which can then cause cancer or other diseases as they are slowly (or quickly, ironically whilst one is losing weight by burning it off) reabsorbed into the rest of the body. And while there is still a lot we don't yet know about the role of antibiotics, pesticides, herbicides, and hormones in the food supply, all that we do know to date suggests that all of these are very, very bad. These are among the things we eat too much of, and many of them do get deposited in fat tissue. The one thing we do know reasonably for sure: a varied, nutrient-dense, minimally processed diet is best for most people.

    30. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by ultranova · · Score: 1

      So they scan your arm, then a computer designs your prosthesis, and it is printed out on a 3D printer.

      Or you can just mill it to specification. That process is already in use today. And even traditional assembly lines could be designed to switch the mold without stopping. With modern computer simulation capabilities to design them, you could potentially have unique assembly instructions accompany every part on the line.

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    31. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by lgw · · Score: 1

      But it's the toxins, not the fat cells, doing the harm. The fat cells just delay the harm until they're metabolized.

      But we know nothing for sure. There's nothing with less credibility than a nutritionist.

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    32. Re:Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Joey+Vegetables · · Score: 1

      Like much of what tries to pass for modern science, nutritional research is tainted by the influence of those with a vested interest in the outcome. A healthy dose of skepticism is completely understandable. But there are things I believe we are learning. For instance, while it's been known for centuries that sugars and what we now recognize as high-glycemic starches tend to encourage obesity, it's only fairly recently that we've come to understand why. The role of various micronutrients, again long suspected to be important but not fully understood, is now coming into sharper focus. We're learning that many pesticides and herbicides are far more toxic to humans, especially over long periods of time, than was known previously. Many cancers, autoimmune disorders, and other illnesses are now known to be triggered by entire classes of substances previously regarded as safe. It is now known that we are actually symbionts, that our intestinal flora are such an important part of our normal digestive and immune system functioning that we cannot live healthy lives without them. These are just a few of the newer revelations off the top of my head, and I'm not in any way an expert in the field. So, here as in all areas, I try for a healthy balance of skepticism and openness. Truth does eventually come out.

  2. When there's trouble you know what to do by Spy+Handler · · Score: 1

    Call Cyborg!

    He can shoot a rocket through his shoe

    Go Cyborg!

    1. Re:When there's trouble you know what to do by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Robot humor.

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  3. Intellectual disabilities? by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    Making up for intellectual disabilities?

    Oh boy, I better run and invest in stocks right away, if they can do that...I'm gonna get rich!

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    1. Re:Intellectual disabilities? by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      A smartphone is already a brain enhancer. The only difference is the interface. And when the cyborg tech will be the same phone-home and controlled-by-home shit that smartphones are, there will be a huge change in human society models in the future.
      The more control we give our computers, the more we need to make sure they do what they were told to do. Computers are too young to be integrated this much in human life. The main problem computers create is the centralisation of control.
      Users should be aware that they don't protect their security by installing a "malware protector" app onto their devices and then downloading all shit they find on the internet.

      Its another situation with disability. Their number isn't big enough for companies to make profit by penetrating their lifes.

    2. Re:Intellectual disabilities? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      What about using a pen?

    3. Re:Intellectual disabilities? by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 1

      Intellectual disabilities like Depression are already being treated experimentally by adding what amounts to a prosthesis to the brain.

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    4. Re:Intellectual disabilities? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A smartphone is already a brain enhancer.

      You've got to be joking.

    5. Re:Intellectual disabilities? by Jmc23 · · Score: 1

      A smartphone is already a brain replacement.

      FTFY, if anything peoples brains atrophy after gaining a robot friend.

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  4. Yes by geekoid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    but it will be unnecessary since we will be able to grow body parts.

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    1. Re:Yes by chinton · · Score: 1

      We will be able to grow body some body parts and build cybernetic body parts to create our very own cyborg armies. What could go wrong?

    2. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, this.

      We can already grow pretty reasonable organs right now using some pretty rough methods.
      50 years time? It'd be hard if not impossible for us not to be capable of building entire functioning organs using some advanced 3D printer.
      Print bones, muscles, flesh and all the wonderful stuff in between, wrap it around, stitch it together biologically, all being done inside some fluid that keeps things oxygenated.
      Bam, enjoy your new leg.
      All possible now using very long and manual methods, and expensive. 50 years will be nothing.

      We could even build ourselves already worked limbs.
      Want to become mr muscle for a year? Sure, that will be $1 million.
      Build you some legs refined as an olympic champion.

      Heart disease will vanish. Heart problems in general will. The heart is literally the worst organ there is, it defines life for those that don't have awful diets.
      It IS the keymaster for long life.
      Once the heart is out of the way, it will become the problem of a few other organs.
      The brain is a huge issue, but there is already very promising markers that can be targeted to prevent so many ageing diseases and will likely begin trials and production over the next 10 years if we are lucky. Cancer may be right around the corner from that, or at least secondary cancers, pretty much the reason cancer is a death sentence outside of a select small number of them. That chemical signature found the other year may very well be the key to eliminating secondary infections. And given that it would only work WHILE it is being taken, it works just as well as a treatment, it would be, it would be become like a vitamin essentially. The "corrupt pharma coms" would be SO in with that idea!
      We have only just essentially cured HIV as well (which is also helping with a possible general cancer cure, which may also work with the above)
      That as well will likely become a new thing, antivirals are gaining momentum. Even the flu might be eliminated in 20 years. (there is some very active research on that now that had some updates over the last few months if I remember correct)
      A few major killers, gone in 50? Possible.

      One major problem that is going to happen will not be directly to do with our bodies, and more to do with outside influence.
      Severe biological infection is going to skyrocket likely in the next couple decades thanks to antibiotic abuse.
      There are already huge steps taken to stop that, such as cleaner farming conditions, faster blood tests.
      Currently if you go to hospitals with a possible infection, you are automatically given antibiotics even if it is viral until your bloods come back, then it can be either changed to viral treatments or none at all in the cases where it'd make no difference.
      Needs far more work though.

      Then think what will happen in 100.

    3. Re:Yes by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately replacing parts won't fix a lot of disabilities. You can't replace a brain, for example. I suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome which is not well understood, but the best available theory suggests that I'd need parts fixing at a cellular level. Well, either that or replace pretty much my whole body.

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    4. Re:Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See Deus Ex (the original), integrated cellular level tech powered by pizo electric hardware (heck the movement of blood cells could be the power source)

  5. no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    most disabled people won't be able to afford it

    1. Re:no by OneAhead · · Score: 1

      Yeah, there will be a world market for maybe five of these things.

  6. The fad of the future by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

    I rather expect augmented cyborgism (?) to be a big thing with the next generation or two, much like tattoos, piercings, implants, and gauges today. It'll be chic and trendy. Then it's just one short step from there if you have to replace limbs or organs, so for those that have to, it won't be that radical a change and won't be so outside the mainstream as it is today; and some people might actually choose to do so voluntarily. ("Wow dude, is that the new Cyber-nimbus 2000-? your new arm is so cool!" "Yeah, I can crush an aluminum bat with this!!".)

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    1. Re:The fad of the future by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Why wait? I already have a pair of ocular implants and adjustable augmented hearing.

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  7. Augmentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I never asked for this...

  8. gimme the robot parts by Ionized · · Score: 1

    You can keep your puny mortal flesh. I'll take the robot legs that can jump 20 feet and run 40mph, the robot fingers that can type 500wpm, the robot eyes that have infrared and ultraviolet vision and a heads-up display, etc etc etc...

    1. Re:gimme the robot parts by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      At that point, who needs the body? Just plug your brain into a mobile unit designed for the task of the day.

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    2. Re:gimme the robot parts by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      Why move around your precious brain? All your life depends on it! It is better to store your brain in a safe location and then remote-control a robot body. When this is shot or burned or whatever you only will loose $1M but not your life. Which puts us to the question wheter in such a highly advanced society we will need money, but I think that there will always be a lobby *cough* DRM *cough* that tries to convince everybody we need it.

    3. Re:gimme the robot parts by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      Sucks that you broke your back and died at your first 20 foot jump attempt.

    4. Re:gimme the robot parts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sucks that you broke your back and died at your first 20 foot jump attempt.

      So many forget that a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link.

    5. Re:gimme the robot parts by Ionized · · Score: 1

      nah, the legs have great shock absorbers built in, i'm good.

    6. Re:gimme the robot parts by camperdave · · Score: 1

      ...the robot fingers that can type 500wpm...

      Type? How quaint!

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    7. Re:gimme the robot parts by compro01 · · Score: 1

      ...the robot fingers that can type 500wpm...

      Type? How quaint!

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    8. Re:gimme the robot parts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that is why you replace your spine as well!

    9. Re:gimme the robot parts by confused+one · · Score: 1

      But, in that case, why interact with the real world. You can just stay in the virtual world and do whatever makes your brain happy.

    10. Re:gimme the robot parts by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Why have individual brains at all? Just use one giant entity of processing power controlling all the robots.

      Sorry. Did I ruin it?

    11. Re:gimme the robot parts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't you see Star Wars Episodes I through III? Obviously, you'd want decentralized control.

    12. Re:gimme the robot parts by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I agree, but the energy requirement to do those things are far too high.

        but typing? really?

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    13. Re:gimme the robot parts by fractoid · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Once the option becomes available I'll have my brain safely stashed in a bunker with secure backups in a bunch of other bunkers around the world. No more risk-taking for me!

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    14. Re:gimme the robot parts by fractoid · · Score: 1

      What if what makes my brain happy is taking over the real world?

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  9. what's with the specific number? by Karmashock · · Score: 0

    2064? why not 2068?

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    1. Re:what's with the specific number? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because it's suppose to be 50 years in the future? 2014+50=2064?
       
      That's just my guess based on actually reading something instead of looking at about three words and trying to come off insightful.

    2. Re:what's with the specific number? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunno, but I'll be 102 then, so I'm fine with that. If I'm lucky I'll just squeak in under the wire and ease happily into the Singularity.

    3. Re:what's with the specific number? by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Why not a round number, such as 2048?

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  10. I am Pentium of Borg. by mmell · · Score: 5, Funny

    Division is futile. You will be approximated.

  11. Okay, okay by scourfish · · Score: 1

    So, say I put my brain in a robot body and there's a war. Robots versus humans. What side am I on?

    1. Re:Okay, okay by xmousex · · Score: 1

      which ever part of you wins against the other part will decide

    2. Re:Okay, okay by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      You're Killroy

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    3. Re:Okay, okay by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Human. You are your brain, everything else is icing.

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  12. Depends upon where you live.... by tekrat · · Score: 0

    It would depend upon where you live. Do you live in the USA, where you are judged by the color of your skin and not the content of your character?

    If you live in the USA, if you look like a robot, you are a Robot. Nothing has changed since World War II where we basically had prison camps for Japanese-Americans -- simply because they were of a particular "race". Or what the USA did to the natives. And don't even get me started if you're black.

    Or a black robot.

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    1. Re:Depends upon where you live.... by CrimsonAvenger · · Score: 2

      And don't even get me started if you're black.

      Yeah, next thing you know, we'll be allowing them to be President....

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    2. Re:Depends upon where you live.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a black robot.

      yeah they get cancelled after only one season :(

    3. Re:Depends upon where you live.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would depend upon where you live. Do you live in the USA, where you are judged by the color of your skin and not the content of your character?

      If you live in the USA, if you look like a robot, you are a Robot. Nothing has changed since World War II where we basically had prison camps for Japanese-Americans -- simply because they were of a particular "race". Or what the USA did to the natives. And don't even get me started if you're black.

      Because you know, racism is uniquely an American phenomenon.

  13. It's coming! by diakka · · Score: 1

    With the advancement AI and advancing cybernetics, I predict that this is inevitible. Human disability and imperfection will be eradicated, along with the whole human race, of course.

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  14. More likely Cyborg tech will end humans by 2064 by schwit1 · · Score: 1

    Computer learning is growing faster than the unintended consequences can be mitigated. It's just a matter of time.

    1. Re:More likely Cyborg tech will end humans by 2064 by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      As a researcher in machine learning: lol nope.

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    2. Re:More likely Cyborg tech will end humans by 2064 by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Wow with a response like that you must be a great researcher.

      We already have computers that figure things out we can't understand but work. so.. I'm not sure where you are coming from.

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    3. Re:More likely Cyborg tech will end humans by 2064 by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      I guess you missed this article from two days ago, then? (The classic "mystery" in neural nets is how they distribute weights during learning, the answer to which is "rarely better than a human would, and according to the algorithm they train by.") I know you saw this one; you commented on it. Or perhaps you were talking about computer-automated proofs? Those aren't sophisticated, merely long-winded; the result of applying simple propositional logic over and over again.

      If we had algorithms that were actually capable of exceeding human comprehension in a meaningful way—and not just outpacing or outlasting us at regression and tree search—the world would be a much different and more exciting place. It is very unlikely we will have AGI until the human brain is almost fully understood, simply because we don't know what direction we really need to be pushing in. Given that there's now evidence that the brain's neurons could be DNA computers, that definitely has a long way to go.

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  15. Probably before then... by wjcofkc · · Score: 2

    My girlfriend and I spend a lot of our TV time (Roku) watching science and technology related programming. It's difficult to watch anything from as recent as 2011 or prior. It is difficult because I can frequently point out how wrong or at best incomplete many things are compared to the understandings and accomplishments of very near recent. This goes for both science and technology. A lot of highly-beneficial technologies never make it out of the lab because they are so quickly replaced, many technologies cannot keep up with themselves. That, and any one of many recent single astronomical discoveries can render an hour of programming from just a few years ago obsolete. Unless of course a documentary is historical in nature, which is always fun.

    On that note, as a nerd who is highly entrenched in following science and technology on a daily basis, I have spent the last few years humbly in awe at the exponential rate of technological innovation. There is so much going on right now it's mind boggling. 2064? At this point I call that selling the human race short. There are so many factors to consider. For example, I see the currently embryonic maker\bio-hacking\grinder movements becoming a driving force behind advancements that will bring a lot of amazing things into our lives as those movements grown and more advanced tools slowly become available to them. The world of 2064 will more likely be the world of 2040. The only real enemy to all of this is the course of international politics.

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    1. Re:Probably before then... by MozeeToby · · Score: 1

      Curiosity: What are some explicit examples from relatively modern media. Anything later than 2005 would be pretty interesting. I don't watch much modern sci-fi these days, my wife just isn't very interested in hard sci-fi and the soft stuff wouldn't really apply (since it's 3/4 fantasy 1/4 technobabble).

    2. Re:Probably before then... by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately I have to leave, give me a few hours and I will come back with examples.

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    3. Re:Probably before then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's more than just international politics. Most people focus on celebrities. Prestige and wealth these days is so arbitrary and overpowered that even the best truth we have to offer falls on deaf ears. And more importantly, the pursuit of truth is no longer about diligence or learning from failures, but is instead replaced with "righting the wrongs". I thought that maybe we had learned something from the last century or twenty, but I guess not.

    4. Re:Probably before then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > maker\bio-hacking\grinder

      Why the assbackwards slashes? A tribute to the asshole Bill Gates? Fuck you for pushing that nonsense on us. We want to run a nice tech site without you assholes trying to shove that garbage down our throats.

    5. Re:Probably before then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must be new here.

    6. Re:Probably before then... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      "..hard sci-fi .."

      All sci-fi is just setting. Just like fantasy

      Hard sci-fi is said by people who want to let people know that what they enjoy is special(It's not)

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  16. Emotional? by Dimwit · · Score: 1

    What a brave new world that will be.

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  17. What are you talking about? by mmell · · Score: 1

    Sooner or later, we'll learn to tech the tech. You'll see.

  18. Intellectual / Emotional? by VorpalRodent · · Score: 1

    The summary specifically calls out physical, intellectual, and emotional. Are they suggesting that in 50 years you'll be able to get a chip implanted because you're depressed? Or stupid? Physical issues are being improved upon markedly. But seriously - fixing perceived issues in how people think seems just wrong. Fixing perceived issues with how people feel doubly so. If this were possible, we'd be squarely in sci-fi AI-controlled-human territory.

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    1. Re:Intellectual / Emotional? by VorpalRodent · · Score: 1

      But, since I can't even be bothered to read the _entire_ summary, I'm going to retract some of my article-bashing, since they clearly indicate some examples of what they're describing, and all of that seems perfectly reasonable.

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  19. Are we redefining human disability? by gurps_npc · · Score: 1
    Because when my father was born dyslexia, ADD, addiction, etc. was not considered disability?

    Frankly, if you stick to the 19th century definitions of disability, then I can see 2064 cyborging them away.

    If you talk about late 20th century definitions, no.

    If you exclude the many things I think will end up being recognized as disability in the next 50 years - definitely no.

    But of course, I expect the following to be considered a disability by then:

    non-evoltionism - Failure to believe in Evolution.

    Self-Constionalism - a belief that the Constitution says what you want it to say rather than what is actually written.

    under-waterism - a belief that global warming has not happened and that the city of New Orleans has wasted billions on dikes to keep it above water.

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  20. Betteridge's law of headlines by Parafilmus · · Score: 1

    Any headline which ends in a question mark can be answered by the word no.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    1. Re:Betteridge's law of headlines by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 1

      Aren't you tired of the Betteridge posts? Did you really want to be that guy?

    2. Re:Betteridge's law of headlines by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      We need to invent a brain implant that would cure the Headline Question Personality Disorder in people who suffer from it.

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    3. Re:Betteridge's law of headlines by fractoid · · Score: 2

      New headline: Can We Devise A Headline That Follows Betteridge's Law?

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  21. "Human" disability? by harvestsun · · Score: 2

    I'm gonna have my consciousness uploaded to a robot by then, have fun with your frail human bodies, suckers.

    1. Re:"Human" disability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about for you, but for me, my body has far fewer "break downs" than any of my mechanical anything. My body has never really failed on my, vehicles, well, usually I can get several years before they start breaking. Electronics, best not to talk about them. But my body has stayed pretty reliable so far. And it's got this cool self fixing feature that none of my other stuff has.

    2. Re:"Human" disability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      have fun on the robot reservation, we aren't gonna honor those bogus treaties

    3. Re:"Human" disability? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm gonna have my consciousness uploaded to a robot by then, have fun with your frail human bodies, suckers.

      Just wait until your 90 day warranty runs out and you find out the manufacturer used counterfeit Chinese capacitors...

    4. Re:"Human" disability? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      So, there you are looking at your robot with your newly uploaded brain. Then it hits you, that's is a stronger more powerful you, and you still exist in your meat bag.
      hmm.

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  22. SKYNET by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dead people cannot have disabilities.

  23. army may want this and before 2064 by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    army may want this and before 2064

  24. If they prioritize... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But I imagine many guys will "limp" around until they can afford cyber legs to carry their other, *ahem* cyber-enhancements.

  25. No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lack of 600% profits.

  26. Short answer "No." by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

    Longer answer is that even though technology cannot eliminate disabilities, it can definitely mitigate the impact. A prosthesis can only make up for what is lost. It can't keep the loss from happening. It is the loss itself that causes the disability.

    Put differently, artificial limbs that are tied into a person's neural system and allows them to function, say as real legs and to walk doesn't eliminate the disability any more than a wheelchair does. Both allow a person to get from point a to point b. The artificial limbs may also provide numerous other advantages over a wheel chair, but they do not, in fact, change that the person has lost the function of their legs. That is the disability. The artificial limbs and/or wheel chair are just tools to mitigate the loss.

    You would think somebody from MIT would realize this.

    1. Re:Short answer "No." by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Put differently, artificial limbs that are tied into a person's neural system and allows them to function, say as real legs and to walk doesn't eliminate the disability any more than a wheelchair does. Both allow a person to get from point a to point b. The artificial limbs may also provide numerous other advantages over a wheel chair, but they do not, in fact, change that the person has lost the function of their legs. That is the disability. The artificial limbs and/or wheel chair are just tools to mitigate the loss.

      Interesting point. Wondering this from a technical perspective, you might ask if it is even possible to fully integrate an artificial limb into your body-consciousness, unless you grow up with it from a very young age, regardless of the technological sophistication.

      However, people have shown surprising flexibility in dealing with this sort of thing. For example, people with surgically corrected nerve damage have reported that their sense of touch is literally out of place -- feeling the touch in a different position than actually touched. However, after a while their brain will have updated the routing tables to match up the positions. Presumably, such learning is based on visual feedback, such as shown in the experiment where you learn to feel a plastic hand as your own, and you even feel pain when the plastic hand is hit.

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    2. Re:Short answer "No." by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Is it a disability if it in no way hinders you?

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    3. Re:Short answer "No." by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      Is it a disability if it in no way hinders you?

      That would depend on what you mean by hinder. Again, using a wheel chair allows somebody without the use of their legs to move from point a to b. I think what you are getting at is whether or not such devices would allow one to function normally in society. Then again, what does normal mean? Many people wear glasses. They are hindered, but are they disabled? Should we replace their faulty eyes with new bionic ones? Or do glasses and contacts mitigate the disability?

      Ultimately, there is a subjective element as to how much hindrance is too much, but using bionics, only reduces the hindrance, it doesn't remove the actual disability.

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  28. Thank god for Africans... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... because we all know that they will have a huge part to play in this, proportionate to their percentage of the population of Earth, right?

  29. Can't Be Predicted by JimSadler · · Score: 1

    Past expectations and predictions upon science, technology and society have been pretty off the mark. The majority of quality, new, breakthrough technologies never come to fruition. For example we have seen battery breakthroughs every month or so but the actual sales of these new designs is slow, low or nonexistent. After all investors are frightened when an investment might become obsolete before returning any profits. Social conditions stop a lot of progress and a really lousy economy stops even more. In the mean time the public counts on technology saving them from the brink of disaster when in fact technology might cause even greater disasters. At the root of all of these problems is excessive reproduction. Too many people generate too many problems. The denser a population gets the more laws and regulations must be imposed upon the whole. The expense of enforcement of all the rules and laws tends to turn the entire system on its ear. Our legal system became a savagely rude joke. Our cures become our curses . Our poorly educated population, ignored and mistreated becomes nothing more than a liability waiting to happen. All is not well and the British are not coming.

  30. Answer: NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Being disabled I don't have to read any generalized statement that treats all disablities as 'solvable' by attaching some device to the human body.
    Only a lame slashdotter would fall for this and waste their time reading the article.

  31. I'll be happy if this gets rid of ALS by NotSoHeavyD3 · · Score: 1

    What a rotten fucking disease.

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  32. Nope, no way. by nbritton · · Score: 1

    We barely understand neurological disorders like schizophrenia, we don't even understand the basics of these disorders, so to believe will have them solved by 2064 is entirely unrealistic.

  33. Can Cyborg Tech End Human Disability By 2064? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why?