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Wikipedia Mining Algorithm Reveals the Most Influential People In History

KentuckyFC writes: 'In 1978, the American researcher Michael Hart published The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History, a book that became an international best seller. Since then, various others have published similar lists. But all suffer the same drawback: they are subjective list ultimately influenced by numerous cultural factors. Now data scientists have come up with a way to extract an objective list of the 100 most influential people in history using the network of links between biographical articles on Wikipedia and how they vary between 24 different language editions, including English, Chinese, Russian Arabic and so on. The researchers assume that people who are highly ranked in different language editions are influential across both language cultures and that the more appearances they make in different language editions, the more influential they are. But the actual ranking is done by PageRank-like algorithms that consider a biographical article important if it is pointed to by other important articles.

The resulting lists of the most influential men and women might surprise. The top PageRanked individual is Carl Linnaeus, the 18th century Swedish botanist who developed the modern naming scheme for plants and animals, followed by Jesus. The top PageRanked women are: Elizabeth II followed by Mary (mother of Jesus). For comparison, just under half of the top 100 most influential also appear in Hart's 1978 book. But this is just the beginning. By counting the individuals from one culture that influence other cultures, the team is able to work out which cultures have dominated others. And by looking only at people born before certain dates, they can see how the influence of different cultures has waxed and waned throughout 35 centuries of recorded history.'

231 comments

  1. objective list by dasacc22 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    subjectively titled ...

    1. Re:objective list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      subjectively titled ...

      Once you pick a method, the list is technically objective.

      Of course, you can pick any method of ranking people you want....

      I'm sure I can subjectively pick a mathematical system where, objectively, 1 + 1 = 3. Hell, I can just make one up and define it that way.

    2. Re:objective list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Link to actual paper

      Seems like total bullshit to me. Madonna #3 on one of the lists? For fundamental impact on today's world, Woodrow Wilson probably has had a helluva lot more impact than Madonna's pop fluff. And if you don't know why, you really need to look at how Wilson shaped both international relations and organizations right at the beginnings of global society along with his impact on early progressive policies.

    3. Re:objective list by mestar · · Score: 2

      Where is the actual list?

    4. Re:objective list by mestar · · Score: 1

      In that list of 100 most influential persons, who is on the number 11?

    5. Re:objective list by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 1

      It doesn't seem to exist. Summary has no link, and the linked articles have no list (including the actual arXiv pre-print).

    6. Re:objective list by Rei · · Score: 5, Informative

      Annoying isn't it? Why do people link to (or write in the first place) an article about a list, and then not include the list? Where's the logic in that? Anyway, I dug through the supporting data fo the paper and found it, then ran it through a simple bash script to strip extraneous information. I'm only including the PageRank version because the methodology is more logical and the results more reasonable (the 2D rank version is mostly pop-culture).

      1. Carl Linnaeus
      2. Jesus
      3. Aristotle
      4. Napoleon
      5. Adolf Hitler
      6. Julius Caesar
      7. Plato
      8. William Shakespeare
      9. Albert Einstein
      10. Elizabeth II
      11. Alexander the Great
      12. Isaac Newton
      13. Muhammad
      14. Karl Marx
      15. Joseph Stalin
      16. Augustus
      17. Christopher Columbus
      18. Charlemagne
      19. Louis XIV of France
      20. George W. Bush
      21. Immanuel Kant
      22. Barack Obama
      23. Mary (mother of Jesus)
      24. Vladimir Lenin
      25. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
      26. Paul the Apostle
      27. Charles Darwin
      28. Martin Luther
      29. Herodotus
      30. Franklin D. Roosevelt
      31. Galileo Galilei
      32. Pope John Paul II
      33. Constantine the Great
      34. Benito Mussolini
      35. Cicero
      36. Ren Descartes
      37. Saint Peter
      38. Ludwig van Beethoven
      39. George Washington
      40. Moses
      41. Johann Sebastian Bach
      42. Bill Clinton
      43. Leonardo da Vinci
      44. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe
      45. Gautama Buddha
      46. Winston Churchill
      47. John F. Kennedy
      48. Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor
      49. Pope Benedict XVI
      50. Richard Nixon
      51. Sigmund Freud
      52. Ronald Reagan
      53. Abraham Lincoln
      54. Saddam Hussein
      55. Ptolemy
      56. Richard Wagner
      57. Diocletian
      58. Queen Victoria
      59. Napoleon III
      60. Charles de Gaulle
      61. Mao Zedong
      62. William Herschel
      63. Michael Jackson
      64. Justinian I
      65. Augustine of Hippo
      66. Ali
      67. Jean-Jacques Rousseau
      68. Ernst Haeckel
      69. Pliny the Elder
      70. Pope Gregory XIII
      71. Confucius
      72. Henry VIII of England
      73. Thomas Jefferson 74. Francisco Franco 75. Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel 76. Pierre Andr Latreille 77. Pope Paul VI 78. Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz 79. Chiang Kai-shek 80. John Herschel 81. Elizabeth I of England 82. J. R. R. Tolkien 83. Socrates 84. Genghis Khan 85. Qin Shi Huang 86. Umar 87. Philip II of Spain 88. Frederick the Great 89. Johannes Kepler 90. Emperor Wu of Han 91. Friedrich Nietzsche 92. Plutarch 93. Thomas Edison 94. Max Weber 95. Dante Alighieri 96. Ashoka 97. Tacitus 98. Ernst Mayr 99. Jean-Baptiste Lamarck 100. Elvis Presley

      Not a bad list, honestly. Still not sure why Linnaeus is *that* high, but most of the rest is quite reasonable, methinks.

      Oh, and because Slashdot is complaining, "Your comment has too few characters per line (currently 19.0)": Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisici elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisici elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisici elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat c

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    7. Re:objective list by Rei · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's only the 2dRank list that's screwed up, the PageRank list is a lot more reasonable. I don't know why they even included that 2dRank list, it ruins their credibility. The methodology doesn't even make sense. PageRank works based on determining how influential you are based on how much things link to you. Makes sense, right? Well, 2dRank uses that *plus* how much you link to other people. Why should how much you link to other people have any significance on how influential you are? Perhaps how influenced you are, but certainly not how influential you are.

      Making stupid claims makes people stop listening to what you have to say. It's like you're sitting on a bus and you see the following sign: "1. This is a space ship. 2. No smoking". The demonstrable falsity of the first part undermines the credibility of the second part.

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    8. Re:objective list by antifoidulus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How is that list not weighted not only by recent events, but also Euro/Ameri-centric? Seriously, Obama AND Bush in the list of most influential people in history? In terms of overall impact, they wouldn't even make the list of top 10 us presidents. Seriously, no Harry Truman? Truman was, in terms of global impact, probably the most influential US president of all time. He was the one who decided to drop the atomic bombs, he was the one that oversaw the dismantling of the Japanese empire(one of the biggest events in the past century, but one most people know nothing about it), he was the one that really started the domino theory etc. Certainly more influential than either Bush or Obama.

    9. Re:objective list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      > Not a bad list, honestly. Still not sure why Linnaeus is *that* high, but most of the rest is quite reasonable, methinks.

      Because he's the father of modern taxonomy, so I bet it's giving him credit for every article on every species there is (or close). And there are a lot.

    10. Re: objective list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm really curious about the 2D list. Curious to see which pop culture icons were most influential. Can you provide it?

    11. Re:objective list by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Hmm... Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Wagner, Michael Jackson, and Elvis Presley. Am I the only one who finds it strange that 6 out of the top 100 influential people OF ALL TIME were musicians?

      Don't get me wrong: I love music. But in terms of overall impact on HISTORY -- I mean ALL of history -- 6% of this list is musicians?

      Others have criticized this list and methodology for all sorts of reasons. But this fact alone would have me scratching my head. I mean, obviously the influence of Bach and Beethoven and Wagner on music history has been significant. (Beethoven and Wagner arguably had significant impacts on philosophy and aesthetics (Beethoven indirectly), but nothing compared to boatloads of actual philosophers.) But influence on humanity in general over the course of all history?

      And arguably contributors to the written word and history, among various humanists and artists, have had a larger impact on culture in general than musicians. A few like Goethe and Rousseau make the list, but Tolkien's here and no Milton or Cervantes? And if we're going to include popular culture icons of the 20th century like Michael Jackson and Elvis, where are the people who created arguably the most significant new art form the 20th century -- film? Where are D.W. Griffith or Murnau or Charlie Chaplin? (I'm not suggesting they should be here, but the list as it stands don't make sense if it's supposed to measure influence or innovation.)

      Heck, where's Adam Smith? His economic theories -- right or wrong -- have probably been responsible for more monetary policy decisions that have had huge economic impacts on society. (I suppose I should be happy that Marx made the list...)

      The serious problems with this methodology should be readily apparent just from looking at the inane qualities of this list.

    12. Re:objective list by interiot · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wikipedia is very slanted towards recent and Eurocentric events.

      Yes, this is somewhat explainable in terms of how much literature has been produced over time, and how much literature is accessible online. Wikipedia isn't the problem here, the problem is that the authors didn't acknowledge this issue, let alone attempt to account for it in their computation. (though it's a long paper, so I might have missed where it was discussed)

    13. Re: objective list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, this title is a terrible misnomer. They did not generate a list of the most influential people in history, they generated a list of the most linked-to people. Not only that, even if they were actually generating the correct list, their methodology is flawed in that they did not weight the entries by chronological age. There is no way George W Bush could have influenced enough of the 6 billion people alive in the last 20 years to make the list, when you consider the 100 billion people who are dead. What they did is interesting, but not entirely what they make it out to be.

    14. Re:objective list by marcello_dl · · Score: 1

      Music is art, art is propaganda (for what concerns public expression, private expression is not on wikipedia), propaganda is meant to influence people.
      The study is flawed but not because of art itself.

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    15. Re:objective list by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 0

      It's just another stupid list skewed by bias. Charles Linneaus? I'm man enough to admit I've never heard of him (yeah I skipped Biology), and I'll bet my right nut no-one I know has either. I hate religion as much as anyone, but you'd be hard pressed to go past the influence Jesus, Mohammed, and Buddha have had on modern human history (if we want to be really objective we might have to include Zeus, Odin, Ra and all those other weirdos)...

    16. Re:objective list by houghi · · Score: 1

      PageRank works based on determining how influential you are based on how much things link to you. Makes sense, right?

      Quantity does not mean quality. Further there are many more Enlish articles then there are from any other language, no matter that Enlish is not the first most spoken native language.

      Enlish is the third most spoken language (350 million) but has 4.5 million articlies. Spanish (405 million) has 1.1 million. So Enlish as 12.8â articles per speaker. Spanish has 2.72â
      Dutch has 17.78â and Mandarin has 0.80â

      So on Wikipedia Sutch has much more influence then English in comparison and a lot more then Mandarin.

      If you look at most influential people, I am pretty sure that many of these US presidents and others are not as influential to the native Mandarin speaker as people want to believe.

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    17. Re: objective list by afidel · · Score: 1

      Hell I had 3 years of biology and didn't know our didn't remember the name.

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    18. Re:objective list by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      "Where is the actual list?"

      You don't know anybody anyway. they are composed of Indian and Chinese People who have both almost 1,5 Billion people to click.

    19. Re:objective list by dotancohen · · Score: 2

      Note that Aristotle outranks Plato, who then outranks Socrates by a huge margin. Considering that the influence of one upon the other is _exactly backwards,_ I do agree that this list may be an _unordered_ list of very influential people, but it certainly is not an _ordered_ list. Thus there is no #1.

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    20. Re:objective list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      It's just another stupid list skewed by bias. Charles Linneaus? I'm man enough to admit I've never heard of him (yeah I skipped Biology), and I'll bet my right nut no-one I know has either. I hate religion as much as anyone, but you'd be hard pressed to go past the influence Jesus, Mohammed, and Buddha have had on modern human history (if we want to be really objective we might have to include Zeus, Odin, Ra and all those other weirdos)...

      You need to get educated; and pick better friends.

    21. Re:objective list by Keyboard+Rage · · Score: 1

      It's only the 2dRank list that's screwed up, the PageRank list is a lot more reasonable. I don't know why they even included that 2dRank list, it ruins their credibility. The methodology doesn't even make sense. PageRank works based on determining how influential you are based on how much things link to you. Makes sense, right? Well, 2dRank uses that *plus* how much you link to other people. Why should how much you link to other people have any significance on how influential you are? Perhaps how influenced you are, but certainly not how influential you are.

      Making stupid claims makes people stop listening to what you have to say. It's like you're sitting on a bus and you see the following sign: "1. This is a space ship. 2. No smoking". The demonstrable falsity of the first part undermines the credibility of the second part.

      The first list also has its problems. It is not objective at all, as how many things link to you is unfortunately time-frame-dependent. What this list actually measures is the popularity of historic figures in the current time-frame (2014). To give a more objective view, it would have to take into account all the literature from all times...

      ...and that would not preclude the list from changing in the future.

    22. Re:objective list by Rei · · Score: 1

      It's not a list order of influence. I mean, by your logic, Socrates's dad and everyone else who influenced Socrates should be more influential than Socrates himself, and the most influential people on the list should be cave men.

      I think a better description of it is, "Of people who use the internet today, evenly-weighted by country, who had the most direct influence on things and events that they care about today?" And yeah, there are a few biasing factors, like the Linnaeus taxobox thing, but in general I think that it's a fair analysis from that basis.

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    23. Re:objective list by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      Note that Aristotle outranks Plato, who then outranks Socrates by a huge margin. Considering that the influence of one upon the other is _exactly backwards,_ I do agree that this list may be an _unordered_ list of very influential people, but it certainly is not an _ordered_ list.

      By this logic, the most influential person who ever lived should be the first person who ever lived -- as that person influenced the next person, who influenced the next person, etc., etc., etc.

      Obviously that sounds like a bad metric, which makes sense if you actually consider Aristotle's notions of causality. In particular, the notion of proximate vs. ultimate cause is important. One can always go back further in the train of causality, perhaps all the way to the Big Bang or whatever. The question isn't who ultimately set the train of influence in motion, but rather which historical figures have had contributions or ideas whose influence spread most widely. Socrates's parents or some of his random teachers were probably influential on his development, but I sincerely doubt anyone thinks they should be on this list.

      Anyhow, getting to the specific point -- Aristotle most certainly deserves to be further up this list than the others. When medieval and renaissance writers made a statement like, "As the philosopher said..." the "philosopher" was always assumed to be Aristotle. He was THE philosopher, and his views on everything from philosophical issues like causality (as mentioned) to logic to all sorts of scientific principles contributed, perhaps more than any other thinker, to the development of medieval and early modern thought. It was only in the 17th century that any serious attempts were made to break away from the prevailing Aristotelean mode of thought on many issues.

      And even after that, his ideas have remained hugely influential -- some credit Darwinian concepts of evolution on Aristotle's notions of a "final cause" (probably via Lamarck). Certainly most of our narratives about history are formulated according to this principle: we generally don't tend to care much about why people in the past thought the way they did -- instead, we highlight elements of the past that lead up to the present day, so we can see a "progression" of ideas toward our present, in effect a search for the "final cause."

      Meanwhile, Plato (or, rather Neo-platonism) was certainly influential in the Hellenistic period, as well as the early medieval period, but it was arguably the rediscovery of Aristotle that made significant contributions to the renaissance of the 12th and 13th centuries. The rediscovery of ancient knowledge at this time arguably influenced the quest to find more (and the later "renaissance" most people talk about), and the advances in scientific ideas and empiricism from this time laid the foundations for the development of modern science. Plato was much less important for these trends (though he still was quite important for some elements of philosophy and political theory).

      As for Socrates, well, 99% of what we know of him comes through the dramatic dialogues concerning him written by Plato. If Socrates really said and did most of the things Plato ascribed to him, then Plato shouldn't be on the list at all -- it was really only Socrates. But, as most scholars think is more likely, if Socrates was merely the inspiration and teacher of Plato (where Plato added a lot of details himself), then the products of Plato's work were significantly more influential than Socrates himself. There's a reason the academy was known as Plato's academy and why we get "Platonism" and "Neo-platonism" as significant movements. (Socrates's influence in terminology is usually confined to a few specific terms, like the "Socratic method," rather than entire philosophical movements.)

    24. Re:objective list by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Music is art, art is propaganda (for what concerns public expression, private expression is not on wikipedia), propaganda is meant to influence people.

      Even if we accept your broad premise ("all art is fundamentally propaganda"?), then the specific list of people on the list is seriously flawed. Wagner's music (and to a lesser extent, Beethoven's) has certainly been used for propaganda, as well as having a huge influence on our modern conventions for artistic expression in music (e.g., movie scores, which often are very "Wagnerian" in their conception at many expressive moments).

      But Bach's and Mozart's music has hardly been used for the sort of propaganda purposes you mention -- there are dozens of other historical composers I can think of who would be better examples of that. I am not at all downplaying their influence in music history or musical styles, but as the greatest examples of music used as "propaganda" to influence people in general? Nope. Not really.

    25. Re:objective list by Pseudonym · · Score: 1

      Say what you will about "pop fluff", but it was people like Madonna and Michael Jackson who made it okay to listen to pop. (And if you listen to 70s pop, you'll see why.)

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    26. Re:objective list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "influence" is different than "notability". No one knows the name of the inventor of the wheel, but he certainly has a greater influence than Justin Bieber, whom everyone seems to know of.

    27. Re:objective list by nbritton · · Score: 1

      That, and they should have excluded anyone recent, perhaps a 1 hundred year cut off threshold would work.

    28. Re:objective list by fredprado · · Score: 1

      But the list measures only hits and therefore it is has some information about notability, much more than it has about influence at least. The fact of this guy appearing as a notable person is even weirder than it would be if it appeared in a list that really tries to infer influence.

    29. Re: objective list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      loco, are you real ?

    30. Re:objective list by frank_adrian314159 · · Score: 1

      You didn't miss it. It wasn't there. A major, major methodological issue.

      Also known as the "Anyone who uses Wikipedia as an authoritative source is an idiot" issue.

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    31. Re:objective list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Medicine is magical and magical is art. The boy in the bubble and the baby with the balloon heart... and I believe! These are the days of miracles and wonders, this is the long distance call, the way the camera follows us in slow-mo, the way we look to us all. The way we look to a distant constellation that is dying in the corner of our eyes.... these are the days of miracles and wonders, and don't cry, baby don't cry don't cry don't cry.

      You're right. Music has brainwashed me. I can recall these lyrics even after decades.

    32. Re:objective list by werepants · · Score: 1

      Also known as the "Anyone who uses Wikipedia as an authoritative source is an idiot" issue.

      Not sure that's exactly the problem. Wikipedia is fine as an authoritative source on what Wikipedia editors believe. This has some connection to general public opinion, which likewise has some kind of connection to the true nature of things. The issue is, any attempt to glean anything useful from Wikipedia needs to at least acknowledge this limitation, or better yet account for it and attempt to correct for it.

    33. Re:objective list by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

      Ghenghis at 84 while Adolf is at 5? And where are Asterix and Obelix? Clearly the list is flawed.

    34. Re:objective list by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

      The ranking is not about the people but their current version of the wikipedia page. And what is the realm of influence? Other pages of wikipedia.

    35. Re:objective list by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

      If that's the amount of effort he would have to go through to know Charles Linneaus, then I bet Charles Linneaus was not influential.

    36. Re:objective list by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

      Politicians and entertainers are walking and talking advertisements of themselves. Unfortunately scientists and engineers are not, It's their works that are influential. The ranking algorithm will reveal them if the pages of their works are ranked instead.

  2. What about the dud that came up with fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No love for him?

    1. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by dasacc22 · · Score: 1

      jesus was in the list, isn't that enough?

    2. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's weird that Jesus made the list but Batman didn't. In fact, he was the only fictional character mentioned.

    3. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Batman is really nothing more than GCPD propaganda to disguise their massive corruption.

    4. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well he is the only one that Americans will try to claim their 'own' outside of the shitty popular culture that will be forgotten in a 100 years time class.

    5. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is essentially no genuine doubt about the historical existence of Jesus. You should really look into that.

    6. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by Zaldarr · · Score: 1

      Ignoring the fact that Jesus probably did exist, that's not the point. I can scarce name anyone else who has had more global influence. Religious or not.

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    7. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by walter_f · · Score: 1

      Prometheus?
      No birth or death dates given for him.

      Or, rather the guy (note, it might have been a gal as well) who came up with the techniques to start, to maintain, and to utilize a fire, way back in stone age?
      Over some millennia, there must have been many of them, hundreds, even thousands, in many different places of the world who achieved this, independently from each other.

      Alas: No birth or death dates given for them, either. Not even first names.

    8. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by rippeltippel · · Score: 1

      Jesus' PR experts have been working on his image for over 2000 years, Batman just needs some more time.

    9. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I had always assumed he did exist, then I looked into it.

      So here we have the gospels portraying Jesus as famous far and wide, a prophet and healer, with great multitudes of people who knew about him, including the greatest Jewish high priests and the Roman authorities of the area, and not one person records his existence during his lifetime? If the poor, the rich, the rulers, the highest priests, and the scribes knew about Jesus, who would not have heard of him?

      here ya go.

    10. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by Zaiff+Urgulbunger · · Score: 1

      Okay, so he did do the water-into-wine thing... that was pretty cool. But apart from that, what did Jesus Christ ever do for us?

      Fire on the other hand... fire is a totally useful every day thing. No party trick. A proper *thing* that you can properly use. I mean, if JC had actually bothered to tell just one of his disciples how the fuck he that trick, then I might be impressed. As it is... it was just a cheap trick to make himself popular.

      That said... it worked, so I'll give him top marks for marketing!

    11. Re:What about the dud that came up with fire? by JasonGoatcher · · Score: 0

      So that whole giving you a possible way to Heaven when you're utterly screwed otherwise, that doesn't impress you? You'd rather have instant wine and ethernal hellfire than salvation?

      Well, to each his own, I guess.

  3. Yeah, right by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Given those of us the world calls "nerds" seemingly have a weakness for championing the lesser-known, and given that nerd-driven edits are a disproportionately large percentage of Wikipedia edits... it's not surprising someone like Linnaeus has the top spot.

    Really, the biggest surprise isn't that Linnaeus outranks Jesus - it's that Jesus managed to outrank Joss Whedon.

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    1. Re:Yeah, right by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think he got the top spot due to the fact that just about every single critter on this planet has a link back to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C... on their page.

    2. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can at least understand how the historical version of Christ has altered history and societies as a total... but for the life of me I can't figure out why "nerds" give a fuck about Joss Whedon.

    3. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Joss Whedon's shows have female characters that nerds like to envision while masturbating.

      Oh, and tend to have witty quips that can be quoted to other nerds. But it's mostly the masturbation thing.

    4. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My experience is that most nerds who think they're witty actually just sound like nerds as they're represented in popular media.
       
      About as moronic as the fist bump/chest poundings that go on among armchair quarterbacks and jocks all over the world.
       
      Just another reason to avoid both crowds.

    5. Re:Yeah, right by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      I think the issue is that scientists are more likely to cite their works, and in particular there are a lot of different species and thus many different articles and papers about species.

      There's a relatively few versions of the bible, and while they are almost always cited, they may not be via links to Wikipedia articles but instead by line & verse to a standard. And that's assuming that every bible reference should be counted as Jesus reference, which is untrue even for the New Testament.

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    6. Re:Yeah, right by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      Exactly. The results of this study could not be more bullshit. It's the kind of "why would you even bother doing that" study that should make people double over laughing.

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    7. Re:Yeah, right by Nephandus · · Score: 1

      Violently abusive chauvinistic rapists with no accountability despite all their wangsting? I never envision that. It's that's the norm that would explain the self-flagulating manginism though.

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    8. Re:Yeah, right by Rei · · Score: 1

      Hahaha, I had been wondering about that! Most of the PageRank list I found reasonable, but that one really confused me. Here's his What Links Here list. If you follow them, you see that most are from the Taxobox - there's a field called "type_species_authority", and the answer is often Linnaeus.

      I do think that Linnaeus is a bit of an exception there, tough. Who else gets regularly linked in a template? It's not like there's an infobox for people with a field "personal_savior" or "favorite_roman_emperor" ;)

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    9. Re:Yeah, right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You lie as you are here.

    10. Re:Yeah, right by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Well, it's useful information if you're a linkfarm...

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    11. Re:Yeah, right by toddestan · · Score: 1

      Hey, a list of the people most linked to in Wikipedia could be interesting, and it turns out it is, for various reasons. To call it the "Most influential people in history" is a bit much though.

    12. Re:Yeah, right by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Hey, definitely. I'm all for this sort of interest piece; I've done some truly worthless statistical analyses purely for the geek value. But it shouldn't be mislabeled, much less sitting on Arxiv. I guess maybe this happened because the lead author is a physicist? Assume a spherical cow, etc.

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  4. And there you have it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Napoleon is the most influential person in history.

  5. Influence? by Livius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    An interesting study, but nothing about the rankings has anything to do with measuring being 'influential'.

    1. Re:Influence? by Meshach · · Score: 2

      An interesting study, but nothing about the rankings has anything to do with measuring being 'influential'.

      I guess it is "influential" in the same way that Google news shows the most "influential" sites covering a significant story. Influential means "conforms most to the prevailing viewpoint" (at least in this case). These are the ones that the most people read and hence the most influential.

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    2. Re:Influence? by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It depends on how you define influential. The winner is responsible for the name used in every culture in the world for every single living thing on Earth. Most people have never heard of him but he has certainly influence quite a bit.

    3. Re:Influence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, this isn't the wiki articles most people read.. it's the ones most people link other wiki articles to. I'd think a survey of which articles people actually read would be a more objective one in terms of influence, because only articles written by academics are going to be anal about the linkage.

    4. Re:Influence? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a good point, and there is some question about the idea of using pagerank on Wikipedia as a method for measuring influential people. For one thing, it has a bias towards most recent events. They used two different algorithms for ranking influence in the English version of Wikipedia. The first version ended up with this list: "Napoleon, Barack Obama, Carl Linnaeus, Elizabeth II and George W Bush." At least it's bipartisan.

      Another problem with pagerank on Wikipedia is the bias towards popularity. "Frank Sinatra, Michael Jackson, Pope Pius XII, Elton John and Elizabeth II." Was Frank Sinatra more influential than Michael Jackson?

      Going from that high quality single-language ranking, they tried to rank across languages. With their second algorithm, this is what they ended up with: "Adolf Hitler, Michael Jackson, Madonna (the singer) and Ludwig Van Beethoven." I really like Beethoven, but.....

      If your algorithm only matches the pre-existing ranking by 50%, that might be an indication that your algorithm isn't getting good data. In fact, the scientists involved have some doubt about the quality of their research, saying: “Our analysis shows that most important historical gures across Wikipedia language editions are born in Western countries after the 17th century, and are male”

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    5. Re:Influence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The winner is responsible for the name used in every culture in the world for every single living thing on Earth.

      Can you give an example of such a culture where scientific names are used?

    6. Re:Influence? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      It depends on how you define influential. The winner is responsible for the name used in every culture in the world for every single living thing on Earth. Most people have never heard of him but he has certainly influence quite a bit.

      Even influencing Bash commands!
      http://www.shlomifish.org/humo...

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  6. Re:Jesus is Number One by Immerman · · Score: 2

    What do you expect of a man that practically nobody had heard of until centuries after his death?

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  7. hercules by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i'm thinking hercules is finally a movie we can believe in -- if only for rht ebad ass fx

    Doom and gloom comes by HFT, stealth, so no need to worry, when it hit's your ROASTY

    so stay frosty and watch some bad ass video when ever the fuck it comes out.

    1. Re:hercules by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Well done bot, well done.

  8. Good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linné was a nice man.

  9. Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    You want to know why Carl Linnaeus is on top of that list? Every Wikipedia article about an Animal or a Plant has an infobox, containing their binomial name. And the person who got to name the animal or plant is linked in said infobox. Since Mr. Linnaeus basically created the binomial nomenclature, he named thousands upon thousands of species. Thus, he is linked from thousands upon thousands of articles about all kinds of animals and plants. Here's a random example. Notice the "L." at the bottom of the infobox. So, basically, Mr. Linnaeus is being Google.. ahem, Wikipedia-bombed.

    1. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by iNaya · · Score: 2

      I'd consider the person that named every fucking species on Earth to be pretty influential.

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    2. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Jiro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's more influential than you or I, but it's not more influential than Jesus. The problem is that he's more influential in areas specifically related to the Wikipedia format.

      If every page about someone born in August contained a link to Augustus Caesar, this would conclude that he's the most influential person in history.

    3. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... pretty influential in a domain that has very little impact on anything else.

    4. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Biology actually has quite a bit of impact on just about everything else... everything alive anyway.

    5. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who came up with the English alphabet? We can link him to every letter on wikipedia, and bang, immediately most influential. For whatever that's worth, it seems.

    6. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plese. Biology is just applied chemistry. And chemistry is merely applied physics, which we all know is just applied mathematics. Thus, we conclude that Leonhard Euler is the most influential person in the history of mankind.

    7. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He didn't name them. He came up with a system of naming them. You're putting it in a frame that would be like saying that Melvil Dewey deserves credit for every book over put in a library.

    8. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

      I'd consider the person that named every fucking species on Earth to be pretty influential.

      For your kind information, he also named the non fucking species too. In fact he just came up with the system, actual naming of species was done by countless generations of biologists.

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    9. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed - doesn't get any clearer than that.

    10. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      His objectively measured influence on history pales in comparison to that of Mr. Citation Needed.

    11. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit, but the domain of Latin naming of species... not so much.

    12. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by shaitand · · Score: 1

      Leave it to a muggle to fail to understand the power true names have over things!

    13. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by s.petry · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It takes a special kind of ignorance to deny history, you should have read the Wiki page before posting. And no, you are not smarter than the the majority of reputable historians who have satisfactory proof that Jesus was a real person. (Be cautions with demanding absolute proof, because there are no historical persons that can be proven absolutely).

      What people do debate are the acts performed by Jesus, because there are a limited number corroborating written records of many events recorded in books added to the Christian Bible. The same historians who agree that Jesus exists will give you those events as well. You should really learn to study history, it's fascinating stuff and will make you look less foolish when posting.

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    14. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by tepples · · Score: 1

      physics, which we all know is just applied mathematics.

      Not until string theory or another similar grand unified theory produces testable predictions.

    15. Re: Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How so? Have people built cathedrals in his name? Have empires warred over him? Was Ode to Joy written about him? He's hasn't influenced anyone anymore than Dewey. This isn't even to mention the fact that the study only included the Internet as its source. This list is useless.

    16. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by JanneM · · Score: 0

      [...] but it's not more influential than Jesus.

      Well, at least Linnaeus existed; that's a major strike in his favour right there.

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    17. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is so cute I can barely handle it.

    18. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      How? If he never existed what would be different? I consider Ghenghis Khan or Franz Ferdinand to much more influential on human history.

    19. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Noughmad · · Score: 1

      Speaking of Euler, does anyone have a longer "list of things named after x" than him?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

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    20. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by walter_f · · Score: 1

      It's more influential than you or I, but it's not more influential than Jesus.

      Advantage Linnaeus.
      Linnaeus is a person of history.

      Jesus is not.
      So the early "church fathers" who designed and developed this character should be considered influential (very influential, that is), not their work of fiction (or any part thereof).

    21. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Tom · · Score: 0

      It's more influential than you or I, but it's not more influential than Jesus.

      That's another fundamental flaw. They mix up people and stories about people. Whatever you believe or do not believe about a real living person called Jesus, you would have to be utterly fanatical to not admit that a massive amount of his importance was created long after his death, by the early catholic church and the various bible editing processes. Even more so for Mary, who in the biblical text itself is only mentioned a few times.

      It compares apples like scientists with oranges like religious figures and with politicians and entertainers and other people, all of which have a different meaning of "influence".

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    22. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by ruir · · Score: 1

      If you bother to read your own link, it could well be written there, it is refuted Jesus did not exist, but it is not proven he was the one in the bible, and can even be in fact the Jesus guy who washes my car... (I am being a bit sarcastic here, however not far from the truth. If that link is the best you can do...)

    23. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Right, because the two acts that are agreed upon by historians give absolutely no indication that it's the same Jesus and could have been anyone. *That is sarcasm in case you missed it*

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    24. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you would have to be utterly fanatical to not admit that a massive amount of his importance was created long after his death,

      That's often true of martyrs it doesn't stop them being influential.

    25. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Occam's razor would suggest that shouldn't be your initial hypothesis as it requires another actor.

    26. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But it was the Phoenicians who came up with modern writing.

    27. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then whoever invented Jesus should be there. The list is still flawed.

    28. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      And you should learn to look past appeals to authority and study the actual subjects of your interest. The giant flaming box at the top of the wiki page saying, "The neutrality of this article is disputed" should have been your first clue to dig a little deeper:

      http://rationalrevolution.net/...

      TLDR version: We've got Tacitus incorrectly parroting the Christian myth saying that "Christus" was crucified. We know he was just parroting what Christians told him or the authorities, and did not actually verify the tale, because "Christus" was not a correct name for Jesus, so the Roman archives wouldn't have his crucifixion recorded under that name, so he couldn't have verified the story. We also have an obviously inauthentic passage by Josephus. It may be forged, as THE ORIGINAL PROTESTANTS THOUGHT THE CATHOLICS DID, or it may be a mistakenly inserted marginal/interlinear note, which was a common form of transcription corruption.

      And that's it. That's all that ties Jesus to history. To me it's not much better than nothing. And there are also positive arguments, not just negative ones, against Jesus's historicity, which I won't get into here. But Tacitus and the (inauthentic, but apologists argue only partially inauthentic) Josephus passage are just enough that, if you're an apologist, you can scrape together a fig leaf from it that other apologists might believe. I guess they have to. After all, their imaginary friend has to have been real, right?

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    29. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Tom · · Score: 1

      That's often true of martyrs it doesn't stop them being influential.

      Again, the problem is that it compares floats to strings. It asks "tree" > 43.65 ?.

      I can make up a story about a totally fictious man and if it gets highly popular, according to this method, he would be an influential person, even though he never existed. A lot of the "influence" assigned to figures such as Jesus and Mary (but also to some of the politicians and philosophers) should rightfully be assigned to other people who simply used them as personas.

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    30. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How? If he never existed what would be different? I consider Ghenghis Khan or Franz Ferdinand to much more influential on human history.

      Linnaeus reinvented racial biology in a way that inspired both Darwin and Hitler. I'd say that beats Ghenghis Khan and Franz Ferdinand.

    31. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by s.petry · · Score: 1

      Personally I have studied it and came to the same conclusion the Wiki article states "the majority of historians" have. Roman court records are there, as are letters and text from both Christian and non Christian sources. You should probably pay more attention to your straw man arguments than my citation from a link provided article which has all of it's references in the same article.

      As a guess, your confession of "TLDR" indicates your level of study on the subject. Again, events and actions can be disputed because there is not much in the way of corroborative documentation. If you wish to argue existence based on your opinion and ignoring history, then the measure needs to be held universally. Therefor your opinion should be that all people in history "probably" did not exist (which is a really idiotic assumption).

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    32. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      The TLDR was for you (or another reader), not for me. I DR.

      Your comment is the first I've heard of Roman court records existing. That's neither in the Wikipedia article nor in anything I've come across. Where is your source for these records existing? If they exist and are genuine, the citation I gave would be intellectually dishonest for not dealing with them, and I'll have to revisit my conclusions.

      Your argument that I should believe no one ever existed is a strawman; the evidence for Jesus's existence (assuming we don't have court records -- somebody should add that to the Wikipedia article; between us, you should do the honors) is about on par with other legendary figures. I'm skeptical that Jesus, King Arthur, Odysseus, or Aeneus ever existed. Pilate, on the other hand, we have direct archeological evidence for, so there was some guy named Pilate who administered Judaea. There was also a guy named Julius Caesar who became dictator of Rome and was then assassinated by some senators. There's lots of people in history we can be 99.9% sure existed. Jesus of Nazareth isn't one of them.

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    33. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by s.petry · · Score: 1

      You didn't read the Wiki, references are in the complete article. No, I'm not going to fish through the article and find all the references because you are being lazy in order to support your ignorance. I will provide you this one, which again telling you to read the complete article if you are really interested in finding something more than nonsense.

      ^ a b c d Jesus Remembered by James D. G. Dunn 2003 ISBN 0-8028-3931-2 page 339 states of baptism and crucifixion that these "two facts in the life of Jesus command almost universal assent".

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    34. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by linuxrocks123 · · Score: 1

      For anyone reading this, I can confirm parent is full of shit. The Wikipedia article contains no references whatsoever to Roman court records verifying the existence of Jesus.

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    35. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Senior System Engineer/Architect/Arrogant-lunatic-who-is-frequently-wrong,-but-somehow-convinces-himself-that-he's-correct-and-the-universe-is-incorrect more like.

    36. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by itschy · · Score: 1

      For completeness sake:
      The month of August was not named after G.I. Caesar but after Emperor Augustus

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    37. Re:Carl Linnaeus? Here's why: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Occam's razor would suggest that shouldn't be your initial hypothesis as it requires another actor.

      There is only one Jesus. The carwashing Jesus. You imagine a Jesus capable of washing cars and raising the dead. I simple see the car-washing one.

  10. Woho! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a descendant of Carl Linnaeus, don't remember which generation but might be tenth.

    The last part of this sentence cracked me up "The top PageRanked individual is Carl Linnaeus, the 18th century Swedish botanist who developed the modern naming scheme for plants and animals, >>> followed by Jesus."

    1. Re: Woho! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lmao. I'd say 100% of us are related to him if you go back far enough dumbass.

  11. I suspect Carl is top for the sole reason by queazocotal · · Score: 2

    that he invented the classification system for organisms.
    And there are a _LOT_ of stub articles for the Lesser Spotted Garden Slimy Thing, that link to 'biological classification' and hence Carls page. (can you tell I can't spell his second name?

    1. Re:I suspect Carl is top for the sole reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are apparently tons of links to his wikipedia page where you can find the correct spelling...

    2. Re:I suspect Carl is top for the sole reason by iNaya · · Score: 1

      Almost everyone who is influential has a handful of reasons why. Doesn't change the fact they were influential.

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    3. Re:I suspect Carl is top for the sole reason by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      His idea would have been just as revolutionary if there had been a thousand species, not millions.
      His ranking would be considerably lower.

  12. Objective != definitive by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 0

    an objective list of the 100 most influential people in history

    Objective does not equal definitive. Nor does "mentioned on Wikipedia" equal "influential."

    It's an objective list calculated from subjective criteria, subjectively believed by its creator to be an indicator of a subjective quality.

    The resulting lists of the most influential men and women might surprise.

    Yes, it might, for a few seconds, until you realise that getting your name on a Wikipedia page does not count for influence.

    The top PageRanked individual is Carl Linnaeus, the 18th century Swedish botanist who...

    ...named a lot of species and therefore gets mentioned a lot.

    followed by Jesus.

    I didn't know they had Twitter back then!

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  13. Subjectively, by barfy · · Score: 1

    I am going to give little credence to any objective list that puts Madonna (The Singer) on the top 5 of any such list. I just can't imagine that they aren't counting links to Madonna (The mother of Christ) and associating them to the singer.

  14. Ah, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    History .... Jesus. Uhuh.

    1. Re:Ah, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a lot more history to suggest that Christ was a real person than there is to dismiss it.
       
      And no, some random Joe Sixpack saying he's an atheist doesn't mean that Christ didn't exist. Most of these religious figures were real people. If the question is were they the people that history has made them out to be? Well, doubtlessly the answer is no but that's also true for the likes of Abraham Lincoln, Queen Victoria and Ho Chi Minh as well.

    2. Re:Ah, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a lot more history to suggest that Christ was a real person than there is to dismiss it.

      And no, some random Joe Sixpack saying he's an atheist doesn't mean that Christ didn't exist. Most of these religious figures were real people. If the question is were they the people that history has made them out to be? Well, doubtlessly the answer is no but that's also true for the likes of Abraham Lincoln, Queen Victoria and Ho Chi Minh as well.

      I believe Neptune, Zeus, and Hades are caricatures based on real humans.

    3. Re:Ah, Americans by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually the only piece of actual evidence of the existence of Christ as a real person is an entry in the histories written by the Jewish historian Josephus. Those histories are not originals of course, in fact they are all copies made by the Catholics. There are no shortage of changes made by those copiers including additions and changes from the original text that have been detected by comparing various copies that were altered in different ways. The only thing that makes people who know what they are talking about say Jesus probably lived vs probably did not live is the subjective opinion of a few scholars (mostly theist scholars) who studied the passages in question and subjectively think they seem like the style of Josephus.

      Given the thinking of the day it would be the most natural thing in the world for a Monk to "correct" a "mistake" in a history that failed to record the trial and death of Jesus and to patch it up with the details from their bible.

    4. Re:Ah, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, there really is not a lot of evidence that Yeshua ben Youssif existed. There's a single paragraph in Josephus that everyone agrees was faked, and that's it for contemporary mentions. Peter and Paul existed, but we just have their say-so for it, and not even original texts for that; the earliest surviving documents were recorded centuries after the events.

      Joe Sixpack saying he's an atheist doesn't mean Jesus didn't exist. The lack of evidence means he didn't exist.

    5. Re:Ah, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Jesus was an invention of Peter or Paul based on a (at the time) 6000 year old 'Christ the redeemer' archetype that goes back to some of the earliest known Egyptian mythology, the first example that we know of today being Horus. This archetype is very powerful as it provides a way for a society to move beyond the eye-for-an-eye social justice meme.

    6. Re:Ah, Americans by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 1

      Actually the only piece of actual evidence of the existence of Christ as a real person is an entry in the histories written by the Jewish historian Josephus.

      It depends on what you allow as evidence. Even the few historians who seriously question the authenticity of Josephus's account also have to deal with one of the most influential and well-known Roman historians, Tacitus, who mentions the trial of "Christus" under Pontius Pilate. And, they have to deal with the account by Roman historian Suetonius, who mentions a Christian leader called "Chrestus" who created disturbances against the Romans.

      Neither Tacitus nor Suetonius were at all sympathetic to the Christian cause -- the former was a patriotic Roman senator who referred to "Christian abominations" in his writings, and the latter portrayed "Chrestus" as some sort of rabble-rouser (as well as other details which conflict with the Gospel accounts and seem unlikely to be the result of some later interpolation).

      Those histories are not originals of course, in fact they are all copies made by the Catholics. There are no shortage of changes made by those copiers including additions and changes from the original text that have been detected by comparing various copies that were altered in different ways.

      Yes, and if we were dealing with one or two sources that seem to conflict with the rest of the historical record, that could be a reasonable conclusion.

      But instead we have a number of sources from very different contexts, at least two of whom get similar details like Pilate being involved in the punlishment. And we get these hints showing up in multiple historical documents where the details don't even quite agree ("Chrestus"? -- and most importantly, the details even say things that contradict the Gospels in the Bible).

      Given the thinking of the day it would be the most natural thing in the world for a Monk to "correct" a "mistake" in a history that failed to record the trial and death of Jesus and to patch it up with the details from their bible.

      Yeah, except -- as I said, they didn't do that in all the sources, which disagree. Why would medieval monks randomly insert erroneous information into a smattering of random sources that in places contradict the biblical accounts?

      To accept the theory that "Christus/Jesus" was merely a myth, we'd have to assume these theoretical monks were trying to "plant" erroneous information because someday people might question whether Jesus was a real person, so they wanted to make it look like it wasn't fake by including some details that looked like they were written by non-Christians.

      That's pretty near crazy.

      Mainly because there is no historical evidence that there was any great controversies in the early Church or from the opponenets of Christianity about whether Jesus had been a real person. This sort of debate just never came up. And if you read accounts of enemies of Christians and even those early Christians who had a great variety of ideas about Jesus that would now be considered heretical, NONE of them bothers to say, "Oh, yeah, and Christ/Jesus never really existed anyway."

      It really wasn't a question that came up in scholarship until the 1800s. So, it seems pretty crazy that there was this medieval conspiracy theory to plant random references in multiple ancient sources, some of which were even contradictory, just in case many centuries later somebody would question whether Jesus was a real person.

      The only thing that makes people who know what they are talking about say Jesus probably lived vs probably did not live is the subjective opinion of a few scholars (mostly theist scholars) who studied the passages in question and subjectively think they seem like the style of Josephus.

      Not true.

    7. Re:Ah, Americans by HJED · · Score: 1

      No, there really is not a lot of evidence that Yeshua ben Youssif existed. There's a single paragraph in Josephus that everyone agrees was faked, and that's it for contemporary mentions. Peter and Paul existed, but we just have their say-so for it, and not even original texts for that; the earliest surviving documents were recorded centuries after the events.

      Joe Sixpack saying he's an atheist doesn't mean Jesus didn't exist. The lack of evidence means he didn't exist.

      [citation needed]

      It seems that the majority of historians disagree with you: Historicity of Jesus

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    8. Re:Ah, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't mind throwing out a lot of pagans of some sort or another. The majority view on Josephus is that it is an 'interpolation', instead of a complete fabrication. Suetonius' reference to 'Crestus' can be reproduced in full here:

      Iudaeos impulsore Chresto assidue tumultuantis Roma expulit.

      He's writing in the second century about the expulsion of Jews from Rome, which has nothing in particular to do with Christ or Christians. and there is zero evidence that he was referring to them.
      Tacitus was also writing in the second century, and if he knew more than what the Christians were repeating about themselves, he doesn't give any indications of such. I will allow that the (earliest extant) 11th century copy is probably genuine.

      Then on the other side of things, we have the completely fictional nativity, the non-existence of a town called Nazareth, and then all of the "miracles". Anyone that starts a religion is a liar, and it would be foolish to invent limits to religious creativity.

      Then we have your argument, which expands no more than four brief, contradictory, and "interpolated" documents into "a number of sources". Also, if you're going to make an "argument from silence" about the Christian critics, then the same applies to Philo and Josephus. Your "argument from 'that would be crazy'" is less convincing.

    9. Re:Ah, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about the Bible itself for evidence. The Bible is the most historically accurate fact in history.

    10. Re:Ah, Americans by shaitand · · Score: 1

      "To accept the theory that "Christus/Jesus" was merely a myth, we'd have to assume these theoretical monks were trying to "plant" erroneous information because someday people might question whether Jesus was a real person, so they wanted to make it look like it wasn't fake by including some details that looked like they were written by non-Christians."

      Hardly because the Monks/Priests of the church did not believe it was a myth. They believed it was fact. And in their eyes the gospels represent absolute truth and Josephus' account was not contradictory evidence but merely an erroneous history that they corrected with information from a more authoritative source. Integrating it into the text in a way that seamlessly fit with the original, including tone, was simply "best practice" in the day.

      None of this requires a conspiracy or ill will just some Monks/Priests trying to correct a history book they believe made a serious factual omission.

    11. Re:Ah, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Many bible historians claim that the majority of historians disagree with him. They produce no evidence to support the "majority of historians" claim, not even the majority of historians specializing in the early imperial roman history of the levant.

      Note that bible historians and historians do not really work in the same field of endeavour. One important difference is that the former treat scripture as *privileged evidence* with greater authority than any other source, including glaring lack of evidence and counter-evidence in other sources and available through other methods (modern stratigraphic archaeology and small finds analysis, for instance).

      Finally, most historians -- and perhaps even some bible historians -- are unlikely to be persuaded by or feel fairly represented by any wikipedia page that has been the subject of numerous disputes, which is flagged as being subject to a current neutrality dispute, and has been subject to nearly 6000 edits by 1500 editors.

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    12. Re:Ah, Americans by HJED · · Score: 1

      Um, did you actually read the article or the talk page (where it says the dispute has been resolved). I was actually surprised at the consensus, but the article provides good evidence for it. It also primarily focuses on evidence that isn't from scripture (hence why I assumed you hadn't read the article),
      Here's another wikipedia article. Although the other one seems less biased. (I don't have time to wade to check for other article using google, and given wikipedia's primary demographic it is more likely to be accurate then me checking other sources)
      Perhaps you should check your facts instead of blindly dismissing things, which is ironically exactly what you and others have been accusing people supporting the historic evidence of Jesus's existence of doing.

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    13. Re:Ah, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I did. Have you seen how many changes happen in the talk page? It's much less stable than the main page, and obviously is not authoritative.

      I can't agree that any of the pages you refer to _really_ supports your argument that "the majority of historians" (with no qualification of what type of historian) supports _a_ (there is no "the") historicity of Jesus. WRT your "Sources" wikipedia page, it is not even clear that the majority of historians in that article supported _a_ historicity of Jesus.

      Since you're very keen on the use of wikipedia in arguing this topic, for extra credit you might want to make a page that shows what historians (qualified by speciality or not) support _both_ a historical Jesus _and_ a ca. 1st century Nazareth. (I'd guess there's a large overlap, with similar reasoning applied to the paucity of evidence).

    14. Re:Ah, Americans by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, in the time since your comment above, things like this have come onto the talk page. (I am not one of the participants, and am not especially interested in the outcome; however, you should note that some of the points raised in the argument below distinguishing biblical historians and biblical history (i.e., theologians interested in finding historical underpinnings) and academic historians and history (i.e., people interested in shedding light on _what was actually happening at the time_ who don't really care about the fate of claims made in other sources, no matter how culturally important those sources have been).

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      Do you think there is a difference between: "I am a believer and am finding all sorts of evidence to support that" and "I am not finding enough evidence to draw conclusions one way or another, but strong claims made in {citations} do not seem to be supported." ?

      No, I don't want it to sit there forever, which is why you see some recent comments from me up-thread. I want to see the underlying problem be resolved so the tag can be removed. Ehrman is certainly one of the leading experts in the field of Historical Jesus research, but that doesn't mean we should follow his lead in misrepresenting the level of scholarly support for his views and those of his colleagues. Saying "most scholars of antiquity" is highly misleading, because most of the scholars who have published on the matter are in fact biblical scholars, with only a handful of (ancient) historians (Grant, Akenson). I'm not aware of large numbers of scholars from any other disciplines that might fall into the category of "scholars of antiquity" that have weighed in on the matter.
      The partiality I note is not about whether Jesus existed or not, and I'm not a CMT proponent. Rather, it is about the scholarly credibility of HJ research, which is not above doubt, neither inside the field, nor outside it. Akenson for instance, is scathing about the scholarly qualities and lack of impartiality of HJ research, though he allows for rare and commendable exceptions. We also have quotes from various other prominent HJ researchers that the field is really historically informed theology, not real history. Using the term "scholars of antiquity" has the effect of hiding the well-justified suspicion of bias. I think the article should say "biblical scholars", or maybe just "scholars", because the reader will readily assume it means those scholars who have written about the matter without implying there are lots of others besides biblical scholars. Or we could have an attributed quote from Ehrman instead. Martijn Meijering (talk) 13:56, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
      I've left another quick message of Wickorama's Talk page to notify him of the discussion. Let's at least deal with his objection before we dismiss it. I didn't see enough details, but it sounds as if he unintentionally violated WP:SYNTH, and was annoyed his edit was reverted. Martijn Meijering (talk) 14:13, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
      I agree that saying "most scholars" is misleading. It should be something to the effect of "virtually all" to the point of anyone who seriously disagrees is firmly in the realm of fringe. Anything short of that is simply WP:OR. Bill the Cat 7 (talk) 15:34, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
      I'm not sure who you're agreeing with, since I'm not saying "most scholars" is misleading. If you said "virtually all biblical scholars", that would be fine. But your reply basically says "let's side with the biblical scholars and pretend they represent scholarship in general". In my view that exactly demonstrates the completely biased nature of this article. There is a debate between biblical scholars on the one hand (puffing themselves up as most "scholars of antiquity") and CMT proponents (mostly popular authors) on the other hand. The biblical scholarship side accuses the other of being insufficiently aware of the scholarly literature and generally lacking scholarly credentials, while the CMT proponents accuse the biblical scholars of being beholden

    15. Re:Ah, Americans by HJED · · Score: 1

      At the time or my original comment the the main article used the term "scholars of antiquity", which in the context would be the the relevant majority of historians. It has since emerged that the evidence to support that claim is less then originally represented in the articles (see the comment below yours).
      However it appears that the majority of scholars who have studied the issue (which appears to mainly be bible scholars, so must be taken with a grain of salt) do support this issue, but not many historians have studied it. I would still argue however that there it is still unreasonable to claim that jesus did not exist when there is a reasonably strong body of evidence (as listed in the wikipedia article) to support his existence, and little to no statements from historians to the contrary.

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    16. Re:Ah, Americans by HJED · · Score: 1

      Thank you, it appears that my assumption that an wikipedia article on such a controversial topic would have been reasonably neutral (or biased away from a Christian perspective) was mistaken. However, from the talk it still seems to appear that there is reasonable evidence for Jesus's existence, although not a consensus as the original article implied.

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    17. Re:Ah, Americans by HJED · · Score: 1

      Actually whilst this is written by someone clearly biased, it does explain quite reasonably the point I am trying to make (and in a clearer manor then the orignal article): Wikipedia: Talk: Historicity of Jesus FAQ

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  15. Objective but poor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It might be objective but the method they use to find the most influential people is flawed. I'd trust the previous subjective list before this.

  16. Thanks for that, but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for that, but I very nearly sprayed lunch all over my monitor.

  17. Most popular on Wikipedia, not most influential by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    The most influential people are, in no particular order: the guy who invented fire, the guy who invented agriculture, the guy who invented the wheel, the guy who invented religion, the guy who invented writing, various other prehistoric inventors and scientists, various leaders of important nations (eg the Romans), various religious figures. Y-chromosome Adam, mitochondrial Eve, etc. The most influential people will be in the deep past, because what they did back then has enough time to affect so many people now. And we might not remember their name, much less have a Wikipedia article on them.

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    1. Re:Most popular on Wikipedia, not most influential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most influential people are, in no particular order: the guy who invented fire, the guy who invented agriculture, the guy who invented the wheel, the guy who invented religion,

      Actually, it's the woman who created religion. Her name is Semiramis.

      the guy who invented writing, various other prehistoric inventors and scientists, various leaders of important nations (eg the Romans), various religious figures. Y-chromosome Adam, mitochondrial Eve, etc. The most influential people will be in the deep past, because what they did back then has enough time to affect so many people now. And we might not remember their name, much less have a Wikipedia article on them.

  18. Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed. by Ecuador · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Correct me if I am wrong, but even from the summary I get a strong suspicion this "research" is heavily flawed. I mean, the only way for "Carl Linnaeus" would be on the top spot would be if you blindly applied a sort of page-rank algorithm forgetting to only include non-standardized parts of pages. A significant percentage of Wikipedia pages on all languages are about the various species of plant or animal life, all of which have a stub which contains the link to "Scientific classification" perhaps also to "Binomial name", both of which feature Linnaeus prominently.
    It reminds me a spider my boss had built to get a few thousands of pages to construct a word frequency list, and I had to point out that it needed some work, since words like "print", "home" etc were not in the top-5 most common words of the English language.

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  19. so, fictional people by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are now 'influential people in history', what the fuck?

  20. Garbage. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of those people are still alive! Who influenced them?

  21. Hitler? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

    No mention of Hitler? After Jesus he is probably the most mentioned historical figure on the Internet. And if influencing to not be like counts, then I would say he might rival even Jesus in influence.

    But really, at the very least the politically party that he controlled (the Nazi's) influenced pretty much the entirety of the modern world in their short life. From the Olympic Games, through all of science, to modern animal welfare laws; These were all a hundred years ahead of their time and put in place by Nazi Germany, controlled by Hitler. And pretty much everything not directly copying something Nazi, is something specifically put in place to be unlike Nazi Germany.

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    1. Re:Hitler? by Ksevio · · Score: 2

      Want to guess how I know that you didn't RTFA? The main article even has a photo of him!

      On the overall ranking, Hitler is ranked #5 after Carl Linnaeus, Jesus, Aristotle, and Napoleon
      For the 2DRank (places emphasis on outgoing links as well as incoming) he's #1

  22. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by iNaya · · Score: 1, Redundant

    So, you're saying that the guy that invented a naming system, and then named thousands upon thousands of animals, the names and system of which are used by every culture on Earth isn't influential and doesn't deserve a spot on the list?

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  23. citation puffery by wanax · · Score: 1

    This is no different from trying to come up with ways of measuring scholars' intellectual impact using citation metrics, like the h-factor or the many recent successors to it, which try to repair the weaknesses in a fatally flawed idea. It makes no distinction between positive and negative citation, and it ignores the raw fact of historical precedence, while preserving every historical bias a culture may have.

    The most influential people in world history, at least the very top-tier, isn't particularly debatable, but yet this list failed to capture it. In alphabetical order (and assuming they all existed):

    Aristotle
    Buddha
    Confucius
    Homer
    Jesus
    Lao Tzu
    Muhammad
    Plato
    Ved Vyasa

    Then there's the next tier, which include people like Al-Hazan, Alexander, Augustine, Einstein, Genghis, Hammurabi, Imhotep, Newton, Linnaeus, Peter (of Russia), Shakespeare, Suleiman, Zeami Motokiyo etc etc, since I'm sure the further I try to extend the list, the more it would converge with my cultural history.

    While unsupervised algorithms can often find interesting things in high-dimensional data, they aren't interpret-able without some expert knowledge.. and if you don't have the 9 entries I mentioned above in your top 20 at least, you can toss the method.

    1. Re:citation puffery by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      This is no different from trying to come up with ways of measuring scholars' intellectual impact using citation metrics, like the h-factor or the many recent successors to it, which try to repair the weaknesses in a fatally flawed idea. It makes no distinction between positive and negative citation, and it ignores the raw fact of historical precedence, while preserving every historical bias a culture may have.

      The most influential people in world history, at least the very top-tier, isn't particularly debatable, but yet this list failed to capture it. In alphabetical order (and assuming they all existed):

      Homer

      I like the Simpsons and they're good for an occasional laugh, even after all these years, but I really think Bart is the more influential character.

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  24. Jusr before I read the linked article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... and thus before any bias on my part: influential is not all that meaningful -- at least, not always in a good direction: Cortez was certainly somewhat influential, and he/Spain just made the Americas miserable.

    And Stalin was probably popular.

  25. Re:Jesus is Number One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I always wonder why such an important hypothetical character, who asked people to put god above every powerful entity on the earth, was shunned by powerful entities on the earth, in an age where damnatio memoriae was feasible, or even SOP.

    I mean, let's look at Linux and other free operating systems. They have been all over the media as soon as they offered a minimum of usability, right? er, wrong.

    You know that last week bought an internet usb modem (olidata 200) that is plug and play on debian stable (switched to modem mode) and working with wvdial? cool huh?
    And on the box it came with, linux compatibility button is present and unchecked. Three times because those guys listed debian, redhat, and another distro.
    Some guy a couple millennia from now might say: OF COURSE linux did non support standard AT modem commands, see this key we recovered, it uses standard AT commands yet the vendor explicitly marked it as incompatible... Makes perfect sense, still it's wrong because it doesn't take into account some factors, namely that people like forced obsolescence and that's difficult to achieve with linux (until the systemd era, at least).

  26. Something's amiss with PageRank's algorithm by mark-t · · Score: 1

    And it's implicitly admitted by the article itself, where while it lists the top five people, it elaborates briefly on the first place holder of PageRank's algorithm, Carl Linnaeus, to state what the person was actually famous for. Really, if he was the most influential person in human history, one would typically expect that such clarification would not generally be needed. Indeed, there is no such clarification given for 2DRank's #1 place holder, Adolf Hitler, either. Neither is there any explanation needed or offered by others in the top five of either algorithm.

    If you want to know how influential somebody was, try and count (or even just make a crude estimate of) how many people, both living and dead, that are or were impacted by that person, or what that person did. Honestly, the modern naming convention for organisms that Linneaus invented isn't liable to impact anyone outside of scientific circles, and probably doesn't even affect a billion people, while the founder of Buddhism, for example, I can't remember his name off the top of my head, almost certainly impacted the lives of at least tens of billions.

  27. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If Linnaeus hadn't invented the binomial system (and there's argument about whether he actually did), then someone else would have eventually come up with a comparable system.

    If Hitler hadn't come into power and provoked Germany into expanding into Europe and massacring the Jews, it's likely that our world would be substantially different right now. Similarly for Genghis Khan and Hannibal. Marx/Lenin/Stalin/Mao weren't even on the English list. Or Gandhi, who freed what is now the world's largest democracy.

    So yeah, the fact that Linnaeus is on the list while none of those people are shows that the methodology is stupid, because it doesn't rank links ~themselves~ importance. Linking to Linnaeus from 'coriander' because he named the plant is not as meaningful a link as linking to Hitler from Auschwitz.

  28. what utter bullshit! by lophophore · · Score: 2

    Michael Jackson, and Hitler?

    What utter bullshit!

    This is like mining Facebook to decide who the best rock band ever was! Think there's any bias?

    My vote goes to Gutenberg. You want to talk about inflection points in human knowledge? Gutenberg, and then Tim Berners-Lee.

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  29. Jesus isn't that influential by rsilvergun · · Score: 2

    if you're not a Christian. If you don't believe he was the son of god then he was just preacher whose particular sect took off. The Roman Emperor that convertered to Christianity after being 'saved' is the real power behind Christianity...

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    1. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even if you aren't Christian, your civilization has probably been influenced (converted, overrun, allied) by one that was acting in Jesus' name.

    2. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      So the dude the religion is named after is less important than the dude that worshiped him?

    3. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by epine · · Score: 1

      The Roman Emperor that converted to Christianity after being 'saved' is the real power behind Christianity...

      Are you sure? I suspect the power behind the throne was really Helena, Constantine's mother. Or maybe Fausta.

      In July, Constantine had his wife, the Empress Fausta, killed at the behest of his mother, Helena. Fausta was left to die in an over-heated bath. Their names were wiped from the face of many inscriptions, references to their lives in the literary record were erased, and the memory of both was condemned.

      The record is unfortunately thin on which influencer wielded more power on gullible Constantine, but clearly Helena prevailed in this particular deed.

      Consider also Aunt Jemima. She was a nobody—if she even existed—before some marketing genius slapped her mug on a bottle. If future archaeologists someday put together a landfill page rank, she'll be waaay up there.

    4. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by jfengel · · Score: 1

      Arguably, yeah. When Constantine "donated" the western Roman empire to the Church, it basically turned Christianity into a (known)-world-spanning empire in one fell swoop. It's not as easy as that, of course, but it was a massive leg up that led to Christian domination of Europe, and from there to the Western Hemisphere during the Age of Exploration.

      Jesus was only indirectly involved in that, unless of course you believe that he actually did give Constantine the victory at Milvian Bridge.

      Now, that's all kinda BS, since the "Donation of Constantine" is a forgery and the real path to Christian domination of the Roman empire is more complicated. But he did pave the way for Christianity in both the eastern and western Roman empire, so while he might not be more important than Jesus to the domination of the religion, he's surely way up there. (And anyway I'd argue that Paul was more important than Jesus when it came to setting up the religion as we know it.)

    5. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by cold+fjord · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you believe that then you believe nonsense. The lack of personal belief in the divinity of Jesus and his offer of salvation doesn't undo his enormous influence as Messiah, the subsequent spread of Christianity beyond its Jewish origin, and the enormous influence Christianity has had in turn on religion, literature, music, law, and many other aspects of life and culture across the globe.

      A non-Christian may not hold to the belief and sentiment that inspired Handal's Messiah, but the music is still played and sung. They don't cease to exist because of non-belief. The same holds true for the rest of the influence Jesus has had though the spread of Christianity.

      Christianity spread in the Roman empire despite persecution. But if you think a Roman emperor 1700 years ago was the "real power" behind Christianity, how do you explain this today? The Romans are long gone.

      China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years
      Study: Christianity grows exponentially in Africa

      You seem to be underestimating the influence of Jesus.

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    6. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by Fjandr · · Score: 1

      I'm not Christian, but that's complete BS. Jesus is influential to Christians and Muslims, and given that Muslims make up the single largest religious majority on Earth, their list is bound to have a good deal of impact.

    7. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      You seem to be underestimating the influence of Jesus.

      And you seem to underestimate the influence all the previous religions had before Christianity plagiarised them. Jesus is a mere side note in the human story. All the principles you claim to own were around before your cult was invented, and will exist long after it ceases to exist.

    8. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by walter_f · · Score: 1

      Even if you aren't Christian, your civilization has probably been influenced (converted, overrun, allied) by one that was acting in Jesus' name.

      So this person "that was acting in Jesus' name" should clearly be considered influential.

      In fact, there were at least hundreds of them who were acting in Jesus' name on a higher political level (massively supported by emperors, kings and their respective armies) and thus be regarded as highly influential.

      Some of these persons, the early ones, are called "church fathers", some others, later on, just "popes".

    9. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by Tom · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you believe that then you believe nonsense. The lack of personal belief in the divinity of Jesus and his offer of salvation doesn't undo his enormous influence as Messiah, the subsequent spread of Christianity beyond its Jewish origin, and the enormous influence Christianity has had in turn on religion, literature, music, law, and many other aspects of life and culture across the globe.

      You confuse the religion with the picture they decided to hang on their walls. It's like saying the greek gods are still very powerful because whole planets are named after them. Jesus supplied the persona unto which the church then projected everything they wanted to have accepted without questioning. At this point, he stops being a person and instead becomes an idea. To be fair, you should remove him from the comparison because he belongs into a different conceptual class.

      The same is true of some ancient philosophers and many kings. We have a couple kings in history who basically did nothing, and yet their names stand for an entire period of their country.

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    10. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I imagine Buddha has influenced more people than Jesus. Wikipedia has a huge western bias.

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    11. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by Reziac · · Score: 1

      That's a good point. And in various other nations that weren't part of the Roman Empire, Christianity only became really prevalent after the king converted... often hundreds of years after Rome did.

      So, yeah, the principle driver behind a religion's popular adoption very likely is the ruling class, not the populace. Until that point, no matter how widespread it is (as in, scattered everywhere), it's not usually the =dominant= practice. Likely the principle extends to all religions, were someone to chart 'em vs what the ruling class adhered to.

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    12. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by cold+fjord · · Score: 1

      You confuse the religion with the picture they decided to hang on their walls. It's like saying the greek gods are still very powerful because whole planets are named after them. Jesus supplied the persona unto which the church then projected everything they wanted to have accepted without questioning.

      I think you have that pretty much entirely wrong. The question is influence, not power, and there isn't any question that Jesus has been influential. His words and actions are recorded in the Bible so there is no "picture" hung on the wall by the church, no continuing free invention. The record is pretty clear that the books of the New Testament were in existence within living memory of Jesus's earthly ministry, and haven't changed since. The books of the New Testament record Jesus's words and deeds, so the suggesting that "the church then projected everything ... " is nonsense. You also get it entirely wrong to suggest that Jesus "stops being a person and instead becomes an idea." The entire point of Christianity is a focus on Jesus as God who become man, Messiah, and savior who is approachable by ordinary people regarding his offer of salvation, not as an idea or symbol.

      Do those other kings and philosophers that you speak of, now dead for hundreds of years, have over a billion people that claim a special allegiance to them, with many of those people meeting weekly in the present day to consider their words, deeds, and guidance? I think the answer to that is, "no." That might suggest to you that something different is going on here, and that you may be trying to peg Jesus in the wrong "conceptual class."

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    13. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      Most people nowadays who are 'influenced' by Jesus are pretty much the opposite of what he preached.(So his direct influence can't be really all that strong.) It is Christianity and the Church that has all the influence, not the man. Stop pretending that they are one and the same. Do you actually think that the person Jesus, would approve of all the things that are now being done in his name?
      Anyway the person who invented the number system or the wheel are many orders of magnitude more influential that him and we don't even know their names.

      PS: The entire point of Christianity is to indoctrinate as many people as it can and have a set of rules to follow so as to create an us vs them mentality, then compete with all the other groups doing the same thing. The Jesus part is just a nice story to get bums on seats.

    14. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by Dunavant · · Score: 1

      given that Muslims make up the single largest religious majority on Earth

      Not according to Wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...

    15. Re:Jesus isn't that influential by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Christianity spread in the Roman empire despite persecution. But if you think a Roman emperor 1700 years ago was the "real power" behind Christianity, how do you explain this today? The Romans are long gone.

      I hate to be the one to break it to you, but Jesus is long gone also.

      The powerful church is still around, maybe you're still confusing the 2.

  30. evaluation? by davids-world.com · · Score: 1

    I wonder how this is evaluated, if at all. As others have been pointed out, the fact that Carl Linnaeus means that they define "influence" in a fairly poor, counter-intuitive way. Many mentions might make someone famous, but not influential in a deep sense. Deep influence, to me, affects the answer to a simple question. If the contributions of person A hadn't been made, would our world be a fundamentally different place? This will work for largely fictional figures (such as Jesus), as for evil people (Hitler). It will, IMHO correctly state that Mary (as in mother of Jesus) or Queen Elizabeth weren't all that influential.

  31. Yeshua didn't exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    There are no contemporary accounts that Yeshua ben Youssif even existed. Some monk was so upset that Josephus didn't write about Yeshua in his history of the jews in that part of the world, that said nameless monk inserted a fake paragraph to correct that mistake. If you read it, it's pretty obvious bullshit. Centuries of similarly deluded Xtian scholars have convinced themselves that there is some original mention that was elaborated upon. There is no reason to believe this unless you have a vested interest in doing so. Further "evidence" relies on the "principle of embarrassment", e.g. John the Baptist was a real historical figure, and it was somewhat weird or otherwise embarrassing to the Church to have the Son of God baptized by this random dude in the desert, so therefore it is considered more likely to have actually happened. Friends, if that is your standard of proof, you can prove anything. We have no original copies of any documents related to the NT, and the earliest copies were written centuries after the events.

    So, odds are actually pretty good that Peter and Paul just made it up.

    1. Re:Yeshua didn't exist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have no original copies of any documents related to the NT, and the earliest copies were written centuries after the events.

      So, odds are actually pretty good that Peter and Paul just made it up.

      We can move beyond odds to absolute certainty that you don't know what you are talking about.

      Manuscript evidence for superior New Testament reliability

      There are presently 5,686 Greek manuscripts in existence today for the New Testament.1 If we were to compare the number of New Testament manuscripts to other ancient writings, we find that the New Testament manuscripts far outweigh the others in quantity. ...

      . . . . there are thousands more New Testament Greek manuscripts than any other ancient writing. The internal consistency of the New Testament documents is about 99.5% textually pure. That is an amazing accuracy. In addition, there are over 19,000 copies in the Syriac, Latin, Coptic, and Aramaic languages. The total supporting New Testament manuscript base is over 24,000. .....

      Furthermore, another important aspect of this discussion is the fact that we have a fragment of the gospel of John that dates back to around 29 years from the original writing (John Rylands Papyri A.D. 125). This is extremely close to the original writing date. This is simply unheard of in any other ancient writing, and it demonstrates that the Gospel of John is a First Century document. . . . .

      If the critics of the Bible dismiss the New Testament as reliable information, then they must also dismiss the reliability of the writings of Plato, Aristotle, Caesar, Homer, and the other authors mentioned in the chart at the beginning of the paper. ....

      Hasn’t the New Testament Changed?

      The New Testament was written from about A.D. 50 to A.D. 90. The earliest fragment (p. 52) dates about A.D. 120, with about fifty other fragments dating within 150–200 years from the time of composition.

      Two major manuscripts, Codex Vaticanus (A.D. 325) and Codex Sinaiticus (A.D. 350), a complete copy, date within 250 years of the time of composition. This may seem like a long time span, but it is minimal compared to most ancient works.

      The earliest copy of Caesar’s The Gallic Wars dates 1,000 years after it was written, and the first complete copy of the Odyssey by Homer dates 2,200 years after it was written. When the interval between the writing of the New Testament and earliest copies is compared to other ancient works, the New Testament proves to be much closer to the time of the original.

      The 5,500 copies are far and away the most we have of any ancient work. Many ancient writings have been transmitted to us by only a handful of manuscripts (Catullus—three copies; the earliest one is 1,600 years after he wrote; Herodotus—eight copies and 1,300 years).

  32. Oh, no. The SEO guys are going to get on this. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1

    They are going to sell to every damn politician and two bit national leaders "A service in improve your influence on the world. Results guaranteed. Independent tests based on wikipedia will show that your influence has increased. Includes a 110% money back guarantee!"

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  33. this seems silly by whistlingtony · · Score: 2

    I know who Michael Jackson is. I can't say he influences my actions very much. I know his name. I don't actually know anything about him. I know who Napoleon is. I can't say that he influences my actions much either. Etc etc etc..... By their methodology, I just name dropped these two guys. Big whoop. Doesn't make them influential.

    1. Re:this seems silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to be sporting a single glove and a sequenced jacket to be influenced by these people. There are a lot of indirect ones, such as the affect on popular culture with will affect what types of music you would hear, changing what chords are played or even the general structure of the piece. The mere fact that you know of the name has influenced you directly. It makes you seem a sliver more cultured.

    2. Re:this seems silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You just destroyed your own argument when you referred to Michael Jackson and "a sliver more cultured." A pop star. Culture. Wow.

    3. Re:this seems silly by manquer · · Score: 1

      you don't know how much you are influenced doesn't mean you are not influenced, From your own example : Napoleon pretty much enforced the Metric system, the influence might be slightly less if you are from U.S. it is still enormous.

    4. Re:this seems silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These people may not influence what you do on a daily basis but they sure shaped our world, for good or ill. Had Napoleon not attempted to invade Russia but instead struck an alliance with them, the geopolitical alliances existing now would be very different. Perhaps the French would still dominate Europe, Perhaps the Russian revolution would have been delayed. Perhaps Hitler would have succeeded during WWII.

      This surely would have influenced your life. These people are nodes in history.

    5. Re:this seems silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know who Michael Jackson is.

      Yea, his decision to not attack Pristina airport to save Clark face helped prevent WW3.
      He also was an adjutant in the para's in Bloody Sunday.
      I can see why he's on the list.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Jackson

    6. Re:this seems silly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Precisely. Popularity in no way reflects influence. If that were the case, I'm surprised Kim Kardashian and Honey Boo Boo didn't beat out Jesus.

      Question: If a great obscure writer influences just one writer and that one writer influences a generation, than who is the most influential?

    7. Re:this seems silly by toddestan · · Score: 1

      A bigger example might be the Louisiana territory that included much of what is now called the midwest. If it wasn't for Napoleon taking this territory back from Spain, setting it up to be later sold to the US as the Louisiana purchase, things could have turned a lot different for the United States.

  34. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Ecuador · · Score: 1

    The MOST important person in the history of humanity is the one who made the species naming system we use, even if few people actually know him? Just because there are more species on Wikipedia than, say, elements whose pages link to Mendeleev (an example of a person I would consider more influential)? It is a good thing then that Jimmy Wales didn't put a link to his page on the "about" link of every Wikipedia, otherwise you know who would be #1 "according to research"!

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  35. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    If Carl Linnaeus really deserves to be in the top 5 from being link-bombed, consider the following that aren't listed but are far more influential because of their contributions that directly led to Linneaus being listed on every page:

    some asshat that put a link to Linnaeus in a Wikipedia template
    Jimmy Wales (creator of Wikipedia)
    Tim Berners-Lee (HTTP)
    Robert E. Kahn (IP and TCP/IP) and Vint Cerf (TCP/IP)
    Jack Kilby (Integrated Circuit)
    John Bardeen, Walter Brattain, and William Shockley (Transistor)
    Thomas Edison and Nikola Tesla (AC/DC)
    Benjamin Franklin (for flying a kite in a thunderstorm)
    and
    Ogg (the guy who discovered how to create fire)

    I'm sure I left off a ton of people far more deserving than Carl Linnaeus.

  36. Constantine did not convert to Christianity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Constantine did not convert to Christianity. Despite the Catholic church's attempts at rewriting history this did not happen. What happened was Constantine's mother was dabbling in Christianity and Constantine insisted on Christianity being defined before being allowed to be considered a sanctioned roman religion. This gave us the council of Nicaea which gave us the bible and many other elements that today are considered the fundamental tenants of Christianity. Constantine was effectively editor-in-chief of the Bible and he likely had something to say about the number of 'authors' to be accepted for the new testament. Constantine would have considered himself the head of this religion along with all other things roman. His ego wouldn't have had any problems with him being the head of multiple religions.

  37. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No such person has done this. Carl invented a classification system used almost exclusively by scientists. By that measure Napoleon was vastly more influential for his enforcement of the metric system across the French Empire.

  38. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gandhi ? what did he do - the British did it by leaving not like he could drive them out is it? Also wtf has democratic India done (Yet) that hasn't been done before in that part of the world.

  39. if Jesus is in list, algorithm is broken by dltaylor · · Score: 0

    Almost no one is influenced by Jesus (Christ, Son of God and Mary, ...). Christians are almost exclusively followers of Paul (Saul of Tarsus), even the Evangelicals who claim otherwise. Jesus had a very straightforward message according to all of the New Testament translations I have read: treat each other with compassion, and claim my death as absolution for your sins. Christians have been failing the the first part of that message for at least 1600 years. Paul, OTOH was a legalistic SOB that wrote a bunch of "rules", most of which had nothing to do with Jesus' message, and it's the rules that Christians follow, not Jesus' message.

    1. Re:if Jesus is in list, algorithm is broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even the Evangelicals who claim otherwise.

      I thought evangelisers liked Paul, he was one of top evangelisers after all.

  40. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by s.petry · · Score: 1

    You must be the same anonymous person above that claimed Jesus didn't exist, am I right? Are you trying to claim that the British just handed India over and let them run themselves? Read a history book, and see how wrong you are on all accounts. Most of this information does not take in depth study, just a cursory glance at a Wiki page is all you need to know you are wrong.

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  41. Wikipedia Mining Algorithm Reveals... by tomhath · · Score: 1

    All this algorithm reveals is who the algorithm ranks highest. I wouldn't draw any conclusions beyond that.

  42. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    EVERYONE who invented a naming system deserve to be #1 on this list!
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  43. Linnaeus cheated by Comboman · · Score: 1

    Not a bad list, honestly. Still not sure why Linnaeus is *that* high, but most of the rest is quite reasonable, methinks.

    I would have to agree. I think that Linnaeus has gamed the system a bit. Every (or at least most) Wikipedia articles about a plant or animal species would have a link to back to Linnaeus or his nomenclature system. While he was certainly a notable scientist, he was in no way as influential as most of the others on the list. Perhaps I should change my name to "Citation Needed" so I would be the most influential person in history (according to this methodology).

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    1. Re:Linnaeus cheated by rasmusbr · · Score: 2

      Not a bad list, honestly. Still not sure why Linnaeus is *that* high, but most of the rest is quite reasonable, methinks.

      I would have to agree. I think that Linnaeus has gamed the system a bit. Every (or at least most) Wikipedia articles about a plant or animal species would have a link to back to Linnaeus or his nomenclature system. While he was certainly a notable scientist, he was in no way as influential as most of the others on the list. Perhaps I should change my name to "Citation Needed" so I would be the most influential person in history (according to this methodology).

      He gamed the system more than that... Every Wikipedia article about a species contains a link to whoever named that species. And Linnaeus named a lot of species, something close to 10,000! He had a good head start on everyone else seeing as he came up with the naming system. He especially named pretty much all of the species that have the most "mindshare", the same ones that now have long and highly ranked Wikipedia articles.

    2. Re:Linnaeus cheated by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He gamed the system more than that... Every Wikipedia article about a species contains a link to whoever named that species. And Linnaeus named a lot of species, something close to 10,000! He had a good head start on everyone else seeing as he came up with the naming system. He especially named pretty much all of the species that have the most "mindshare", the same ones that now have long and highly ranked Wikipedia articles.

      I would say that he made a comeback on the list that way. While he got on the list through many things linking to him he "deserves" to be on the list for a completely different reason. Linnaeus pretty much revolutionized racial biology. Without him Darwin wouldn't be on the list and Hitler would probably not have been higher than Stalin.
      He was highly influential, but not very known for it.

  44. Citation Needed by Comboman · · Score: 1

    I do think that Linnaeus is a bit of an exception there, tough. Who else gets regularly linked in a template? It's not like there's an infobox for people with a field "personal_savior" or "favorite_roman_emperor" ;)

    I'm officially changing my name to Citation Needed so I will be next years most influential person in history (assuming they keep the same methodology).

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  45. Typical western arrogance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A list of "Most Influential" people most of the non western world doesn't even care or know about.

  46. Re: Jesus is Number One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obama was there. If that doesn't completely invalidate it I don't know what does.

    Oh, on second hand, Hitler was there too. I guess Obama isn't so out of place then.

  47. We wouldn't see this list without Nikola Tesla.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When did some middle management talking head (Obama and the like) become more important than one of the greatest inventors and minds of modern history?

    This list shows how fucked society really is.

  48. my picks then.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    William Tynedale - King James Bible. Priests and common people could now read the bible, including the jewish part (priests were notorious for not knowing what latin words meant). Created 500 odd years of a desire for literacy, war, and progress.
    Dennis Ricthie - The start of programming for common people. Even if you are not using something with a c compiled program, that compiler was made using c. Should also get a boost for the fastest influence on everyones life.

  49. People have short memories by knorthern+knight · · Score: 1

    I'm a fan of pre-Beatles oldies rock music. Every so often, somebody comes up with a "Greatest Hits Of All Time" list, and it usually seems to go back no further than 10 or 15 years before the list was published. Similar for history. Many such lists are better described as "the most influential people of recent times".The most influential people are founders of major movements religions (Jesus, Mohammed, etc) and political ideologies such (Karl Marx, etc)

    And then there are leaders of states/empires, who led their empires to triumph/defeat. Too numerous to mention, going back to Biblical times through today

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  50. But it was not Jesus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It was more or less all paul and a few others. In fact here is a work for you : try to gather all what Jesus is reported to have said, (not even going into the no direct witness), and try to see what image that make of Jesus. Firstly you will quickly find out that there is not much, and what's left are banalities even at that time (there isn't any moral code Jesus stated which was not present in older works).

    No what helped the spread of christianity are 1) Paul and a few others proselytism 2) the rage and fanatism of christian and the subsequent destruction of older religion 3) the warfare expansion they did and imposing their religion including execution of ehretic.

    All combined historically jesus word are far less the reason of the spread , than the forceful imposition by authorities after the 5th-6th century.

  51. Re:Jesus is Number One by walter_f · · Score: 1

    Let alone this fictitious character's possibly even more fictitious mother.

    (Just for the record: One of the regional lists even names the "step-father of god", Joseph.)

  52. interesting, but bullshit by Tom · · Score: 0

    The resulting lists of the most influential men and women might surprise.

    So basically, it's bullshit. With Jesus and Mary on the list, it's clear it is basically a popularity contest, and they have just re-defined influence to mean something totally different from what it usually means. Just because 50,000 people mention a probably fictional virgin in their memoires doesn't mean she has had any influence whatsoever on anyone. It just means people like to mention her (in this case, for obvious religious reasons).

    Going by the names of people instead of their ideas is just incredibly stupid. Aristotle et al basically defined western thinking, even if many people they strongly influenced don't even know it. Meanwhile, entertainers are popular, but their influence rarely lasts for more than a few decades and even more rarely extends outside of the sphere of entertainment.

    Finally, this approach completely ignores the problem of figureheads. I'll take Jesus again as an example. Absolutely none of the ideas or miracles or actions attributed to him in the bible are original, they've all been written about in older texts or can otherwise be traced to older sources. The same is true of some scientists, many philosophers, etc. -- the problem is that the popularity approach confuses the person who made something popular with the person who created it. It is a philosophical discussion who is more influential or more important, and if an idea without popularity is as worthless as popularity without content - but it's an important point and simply mixing the two up as if they were the same is a fundamental flaw.

    At least they did consider timeframes and cultures.

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  53. The algorithm is obviously broken by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Having Michael Jackson, Bill Clinton, Roosevelt, Reagan, etc. in the list is just bloody nonsense.
    I don't know if PageRank is screwed or their interpretation of it, or both.

  54. 'influential' = proxy term by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    A better description would be the aggregate of our group tribe. We only have space for so many people in our heads so we simplify with fame. Perhaps the average store is 120 people to match the tribe size we are evolved for?
    So influential is pretty close a term in that these are the names in our mind so just because of that they are also a good bet as to influence... Just its only a bet.

    Comparing cultures is interesting. Quite a gap for English and Chinese but less so for Russian. If you were a strategist you can then surprise that China/USA are more different than Russia/USA. Apply this again to different countries and we can start to map out political likely strongest and weakest links between countries. A map from this contrasted to an economic might be able to highlight any differences and the result would be areas either of future change or recent moves.

  55. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Linnaeus hadn't invented the binomial system (and there's argument about whether he actually did), then someone else would have eventually come up with a comparable system.

    If Hitler hadn't come into power and provoked Germany into expanding into Europe and massacring the Jews, it's likely that our world would be substantially different right now.

    If Linnaeus hadn't invented racial biology then it is unlikely that the extinction would have happened and Hitler would just have been yet another one in the long list of people trying to build an empire.
    Also, Darwin wouldn't have been on that list if it weren't for the work of Linnaeus.

  56. Re:Jesus is Number One by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not centuries. Romans were being widely persecuted in Rome as early as 63 CE, so only a few decades after the death of Christ. The faith had reached Rome long before persecution began.

  57. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No they didn't just hand it over and yes he gave them a major nudge but do you think they would have let go what they considered the jewel of the empire 'quite' as easily (quite as a relative term.) If they had not just just fought a global war and were bankrupt and the US had not been pushing its weight around so much at that period?

    They just didn't have the will nor the means to put the boots on the ground and 'police' the insurgency as its termed these days. What else could they do but withdraw and save as much face as possible?

    Gandhi benefited from the tides of history India would have left the empire even without him , he shortened the timescale is all.

    No I wasn't the personal who complained about the fictional Jesus because Jesus the man himself wasn't important, Jesus the myth as peddled by various powers with various agendas was. Otherwise he would have been lost to a history footnote a long time ago.

  58. Entertainers and Politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The list seems to me to be mostly politicians, with some entertainers. I think that there are some scientists and engineers that have been far more influential. Even when a name is not listed and linked to in languages various languages that wikipedia has page listings doesn't mean that the individual was not influential. Every current civilization benefits from the work of Edward Jenner. Just because people no longer think about smallpox any more doesn't mean that the influence is no longer present.

      Jonas Salk, Albert Sabin, Louis Pasteur (scientists), and Walter Reed (an engineer and scientist) also come to mind.

    1. Re:Entertainers and Politicians by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

      Politicians and entertainers are walking and talking advertisements of themselves. Unfortunately scientists and engineers are not, It's their works. The ranking algorithm will reveal them if the pages of their works are ranked.

  59. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gandhi benefited from the tides of history India would have left the empire even without him , he shortened the timescale is all.

    I think he deserves much of the credit for it not being a blood bath.

  60. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, Darwin wouldn't have been on that list if it weren't for the work of Linnaeus.

    Even without Carl Linnaeus animals & plants still had names. I think Darwin would probably have coped.

  61. Re:Is it even worth the time to RTFA? Seems flawed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The aftermath was anyway - the death toll in the various migrations to form Pakistan and Bangladesh was horrific

  62. Mary and Jesus... by Rick+in+China · · Score: 1

    What they didn't tell you is that Mary & Jesus were primarily looked up as a means to find ridiculous statements which can be used to argue why Religion is bullshit.

  63. Jesus was by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus was certainly the most influencial in history. And there is lot's of evidence that He was real. Lot's of silly people pretending there's not very much evidence. But people looking for the truth will come to know Jesus(Yahshua). Jesus said that people who are of the truth hear Him. Read the Bible for yourself don't listen to the churches. Big difference between the two.

    1. Re:Jesus was by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

      Jesus also becomes influential by the amount of discredit and disbelief his identity gets. And not to mention the sheer amount of advert dollars spent. Adolf gets to the top of the list too.

  64. Name recognition is not influence. by Martin+S. · · Score: 1

    You do not need to remember his name to heard about his taxonomy which starts with Animal, Mineral, Vegetable.

    Kingdom, Phylum (Vertebrate/invertebrates), Class (Mammals, Birds, Amphibians, Fish, Reptiles), Order, Family, Genus, Species. etc, etc.

    1. Re:Name recognition is not influence. by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

      But I guess the point is, if he was never born these things would still exist ( a rose by any other name etc). Whereas if Franz Ferdinand or Hitler weren't born, the world would probably be a completely different place. That is how I would define influence

  65. Bigotry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jesus made the list but Santa Claus didn't?!?

  66. Paper doesn't even note Scientific Classification by ToastyKen · · Score: 1

    This. The fact that the paper doesn't even mention the "Scientific Classification" path to Linnaeus is kind of ridiculous. I mean, sure, you can argue whether or not it's valid to include that or not, but the fact that it's systematic means it's at least important to point out.

  67. Re:Jesus is Number One by Quirkz · · Score: 1

    Not centuries. Romans were being widely persecuted in Rome as early as 63 CE

    I can only assume you meant to write "Christians" were being persecuted?

  68. 24 different languages including, Indian? by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

    Indian?! Is that a language? Spoken where?

  69. Slashdotted a poor algorithm by nikkipolya · · Score: 1

    The list just shows how poorly the algorithm has been constructed. Politicians and entertainers are walking and talking advertisements of themselves. Unfortunately scientists and engineers are not, It's their works that are influential. The ranking algorithm will reveal them if the pages of their works are ranked instead. There are numerous other biases in this kind of an algorithm.