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The Nightmare On Connected Home Street

theodp (442580) writes With the battle for the connected home underway, Wired's Mat Honan offered his humorous and scary Friday the 13th take on what life in the connected home of the future might be like. "I wake up at four to some old-timey dubstep spewing from my pillows," Honan begins. "The lights are flashing. My alarm clock is blasting Skrillex or Deadmau5 or something, I don't know. I never listened to dubstep, and in fact the entire genre is on my banned list. You see, my house has a virus again. Technically it's malware. But there's no patch yet, and pretty much everyone's got it. Homes up and down the block are lit up, even at this early hour. Thankfully this one is fairly benign. It sets off the alarm with music I blacklisted decades ago on Pandora. It takes a picture of me as I get out of the shower every morning and uploads it to Facebook. No big deal." Having been the victim of an epic hacking, Honan can't be faulted for worrying.

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  1. Uh-oh by paiute · · Score: 5, Funny

    Better return that USB Fleshlight

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    1. Re:Uh-oh by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure it could get re-sold in Japan, right next to the used panties vending machine.

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    2. Re:Uh-oh by dinfinity · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The times of your PC speaker blasting Yankee Doodle at 17:00 are long gone.

      TFA is overlooking a very important part of how hacking and viruses work anno 2014 and that is that hackers and virus makers have gone from people just messing around to people making hard cash or disrupting very specific and powerful entities. If anything, the symptoms described would only be part of ransomware or some terrorist attack when directed at average Joes.

      Like the devices targeted by most viruses today, these sorts of devices will mainly be infected to track and sell data, to be able to use them for ddossing or cryptomining, and as a vector to extract financial authorization data. I don't think the 'my house has a virus and now I'm hearing Skrillex every day' is going to be very prevalent.

      Of course the threat is real and the results when being targeted specifically more dangerous (to the body) than in traditional hacking. In that sense, we do need to be extra concerned with safety when it comes to 'connected homes'.

    3. Re:Uh-oh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      TFA is overlooking a very important part of how hacking and viruses work anno 2014 and that is that hackers and virus makers have gone from people just messing around to people making hard cash or disrupting very specific and powerful entities.

      Bingo! Overload the electric grid by simultaneously turning _everything_ on. And then poof everything is down. Want to induce a bit'o panic with it? Blast some "terrorist" declaration at the same time... even better some pre-canned "news" report about an attack. Leave them sitting in the dark with "news" that there was an attack and let imaginations run wild.

      too soon? too much?

      cheers

    4. Re:Uh-oh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Better return that USB Fleshlight

      Can you imagine when the Russians pull a ransomware attack on that?

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    5. Re:Uh-oh by WhatHump · · Score: 2

      Ever had a break-in at your home? How did you feel? Violated? Even if nothing of value was taken your sense of security is diminished. This is what an average person will feel when their "connected" home is breached. There are asshats who will do this for a thrill, or to get back at a neighbour for a real or perceived slight.

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    6. Re:Uh-oh by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      Well, that's what they get for not using a condom.

    7. Re:Uh-oh by kesuki · · Score: 2

      " There are asshats who will do this for a thrill, or to get back at a neighbour for a real or perceived slight."

      welcome to the real world. there have been many films documenting how bad people are. have you ever heard of tom green? what about jackass? hell why not watch 'telling lies in America' or maybe 'stand by me' the internet is no more immune to asshats than real life is. or are we all supposed to do nothing wrong? get real, people are not morally pure. the bible to mention one popular source says that no man has ever been good. http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ec/7.html#20 the bible conflicts itself on the matter, but it is in there.

    8. Re:Uh-oh by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Please send $250 and we'll unlock your dick? I can see the jokes already.

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    9. Re:Uh-oh by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Taking photos of someone getting out of the shower and then demanding money not to post them to Facebook sounds profitable. Having said that I'm not sure why Honan installed a camera pointing at his shower cubicle in the first place.

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    10. Re:Uh-oh by dinfinity · · Score: 1

      No, I'm the load your mother swallows eight times every weekend.

      Come on, we can let what was a at some point witty thread devolve even further. Give me your best shot (I'm throwing this one into your lap here).

    11. Re:Uh-oh by sudon't · · Score: 1

      Yes, I was going to add that, and 'government and corporate snooping' to divinity's comment. Remember when paranoids used to think their TV was spying on them? Their worse nightmare is coming true. The time is coming when you won't be able to buy anything but a "smart TV." And, we've seen the stuff they're already trying pull with those. It will likely be the same with other appliances.

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  2. This is what happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    when you need to create "employment" because your social model is obsolete.

    We don't need people to work on useless things anymore. We have technology and resources to allow for a livable lifestyle for everyone with far less work than before.

    But we "must" all work! Work work work! But what's actually left to do?

    Nothing! So let's make stuff up! Quick! Universities must ramp up new courses! Textbooks shall be written (and re-written!)! Employers shall demand decades of experience!

    1. Re:This is what happens by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Work work work! But what's actually left to do?

      Uh...building a sustainable (energy+raw materials) technological society?

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    2. Re:This is what happens by ArcadeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just tried to apply for a job where they required 6 years of experience in Swift.

    3. Re:This is what happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Uhhh that was my point. We're going to have to figure out how to cope with the end of growth and the reality that we are 7 billion here.

      No fantasies, no escapism, no sci-fi. Just reality, right here, right now.

    4. Re: This is what happens by loufoque · · Score: 1

      Just keep expanding outside of Earth. Problem solved.

    5. Re:This is what happens by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      There's nothing unreasonable about that. Yes, Swift was just publically announced a few days ago. But you need to show that you have experience with it if you want to get the job that uses it. The best way of checking if somebody has experience is to see how long they've been using the technology. It doesn't matter if it was released tomorrow, today, yesteday, last month, or decades ago. If you're good enough for the job, then you'll already have 6 years of experience with Swift. If you don't have the experience, then you just aren't good enough. Is that really so hard to understand?

      Now I know what our HR manager is doing at her desk. Hi Sandy!

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    6. Re:This is what happens by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry, the link doesn't work anymore.

    7. Re:This is what happens by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I wish this were only a troll--but it's more of a sad reflection that people actually think like this. Managers in particular...

    8. Re: This is what happens by CRCulver · · Score: 1

      Even with multiple space elevators, you'll never be able to move more people off Earth than are being born on it at any given moment. The OP's right in that, while there is still work to be done in the sciences and moving mankind into space, it's unreasonable to expect the billions of uneducated and unpoverished peoples among us to all get a piece of that pie.

    9. Re:This is what happens by Kurast · · Score: 1

      You needed 6 years in the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication?

    10. Re:This is what happens by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Coolio! I happen to have that.

    11. Re: This is what happens by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      we cannot, we do not have the technology to do that and will not for many decades if not centuries. the ISS, by the way, comes closer to you than most cities in whatever state you live in.

      we have to re-engineer the way we do things right here on earth for the rest of the 21st century at least. Funny thing is, our major problems already have known solutions: energy, resource including fresh water, etc.

    12. Re: This is what happens by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      You don't need to overcome the birth rate, just birth rate - death rate.

    13. Re: This is what happens by jemmyw · · Score: 1

      That the world was flat was not a seriously held belief, and CC did not set out to prove that it was spherical.

      Whereas we know the energy requirements of settling outside of the Earth are beyond us at the moment. That's not to say that will always be the case. But putting hope into that without a viable path there is pointless fantasy. Figuring how to cope where we are with what we have is reality.

    14. Re:This is what happens by TimTucker · · Score: 1

      In what world does that make any sense ???

      It makes sense in a world where a project manager gave HR a brief explanation of what they needed as follows:
      - They have an upcoming project where they'll be using Swift
      - They need someone with 6 years of experience with mobile app development

    15. Re: This is what happens by Hategrin · · Score: 1

      Fuck the "the world is flat" or "a sea-route connecting the east-west." What about traveling around the world in 24 hours, or turning on a light just by flipping switch? I'm serious, in the future, you won't even need a flint to turn on the light! I tell you, it won't even use fire!

      If they thought that was amazing, these days we can send instantaneous messages across the globe w/o utilizing any kind of physical connection, not even radio or laser. We did it using quantum mechanics. You're a fool if you think the 20th century was as far as humans were going to go, as if we were just going to all the sudden quit advancing our technology. At this next level of technology the "reality" you keep preaching about starts to break down.

    16. Re: This is what happens by Hategrin · · Score: 1

      PS: I do agree though, there is a serious problem with population, we're about due for an exodus.

    17. Re:This is what happens by Hategrin · · Score: 1
      "Must have 200 years of life experience"

      No one has lived more than 120 years you say? All of them were decrepit and tied to a hospital bed? So what? Oh, you think my 200 years alive requirement is unreasonable? how so?

    18. Re: This is what happens by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Um, no, we don't send messages with quantum mechanics. The information has to go the old-fashioned way. Think of two envelopes, one with a red card and one with a black card. You take one, I take one, and we go far away. If I open my envelope and the card is red, I know instantly that yours is black. I can't send any information that way, though. That's very roughly how quantum entanglement works. I have a particle, you have a particle. If I measure the spin on mine, I know that the spin on yours, measured the same is opposite (different measurements will get different levels of correlation). If I could somehow decide to have the spin on mine be up or down, without breaking the entanglement, then I could transmit information FTL, into the past, whatever.

      Also, we're not talking about the next level of technology here. We're talking about new levels of science, which may or may not bring what we want. I've got a computer of immense power, with almost immediate access to an incredible amount of knowledge, literature, and music, which I keep in my shirt pocket. I still don't have a flying car.

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    19. Re:This is what happens by phorm · · Score: 1

      Have you used it at all? Put on your resume
      "have been developing in Swift since it was first publicly released"

    20. Re: This is what happens by toddestan · · Score: 1

      The world population is still growing at just over 200k people per day. That's like 200 Enterprise-D's worth of people every day that you would need to transport off the planet. Barring some crazy new technology straight out of science fiction, there's just no way we could move that many people off the planet.

    21. Re: This is what happens by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      According to the UN, we'll either be at 16B or 6B by the year 2100.
      The high estimate is the current rate staying steady.
      The middle estimate evens out at around 10B by 2100
      The low estimate goes negative around 2045

      If the low estimate pans out, we won't have to send anyone to space, we'll need to bring them back.

  3. What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The internet of things is nothing but a marketers (and hackers) wet dream. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - there is no reason what so ever for each device to be directly connected to the internet, or have internet access, for that matter. The refrigerator doesn't need access to the internet, neither does the washer and drier, toaster, or even the thermostat. One home router and a single control unit is all that's needed, or both in one unit. Let that control your food, soap and dryer sheet inventory. Each unit can tell the control system when a unit of measure is used, and it can keep track. Access to the internet is limited to that one device and there aren't 20 different ways to hack into my network. Of course, this will never fly. Each manufacturer will want to hold the patents on the standards, so they can charge for what should be a free and open standard. No one will ever play nicely so the general public can benefit rather than the elite corporations.

    Fuck them, I'm glad I have the skills and knowledge to do this on my own, without all their patent encumbered, insecure crap. Of course, my washer and drier, refrigerator and oven will remain dumb, as they should.

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    1. Re:What a joke.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Of course it will fly. It'll be Google Home controlling Android fridge, washer, dryer, toaster, etc. If you're rich and like to pretend that you're in control, you'll have Apple Home controlling iOS fridge, washer, dryer, toaster, etc. The app stores' curators will keep you safe, promise, and only the heretics who root their home will get viruses, obviously. Do you have a smartphone? Did you choose to have all the things it does? Why do you think you'll get to choose with regard to your home?

    2. Re:What a joke.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      There is no reason what so ever for each device to be directly connected to the internet, or have internet access, for that matter.?

      Or be 'computerized' at all..

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    3. Re:What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      What?

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    4. Re:What a joke.. by Cid+Highwind · · Score: 2

      One device to compromise. If malware infects the LAN-of-things gateway, it can tell your pillows to play deadmau5, tell the lights to flash, and tell the security system to upload shower-cam photos to facebook.

      (But then, computer viruses that just annoy the user with sounds and flashing text are deader than dial-up. Connected home malware would probably wait silently for bad weather, then lock you out and demand 0.25 bitcoin to let you back inside, or steal your amazon credentials when the refrigerator orders more milk, or turn on everyone's air conditioner at the same instant to DDoS the power grid.)

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    5. Re:What a joke.. by kheldan · · Score: 1

      THANK YOU! For once I'm not the one who has to make a post filled with common sense! Hear, hear!

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    6. Re:What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      I know I'm leaning over the side of the bridge to talk to you, but no. The government has no access to my current router, what makes you think they'd get it for one with an "appliance application" on it? And really that application need not be on the router, or even, itself, have internet access. Mother of god, people, you do not need to know the temperature of your fridge or whether or not your washer is in spin cycle if you're not at home. Fuck the internet of things. My router is the only thing needing direct access to the internet, and I'm not counting the access device needed by the cable/phone company. My router is between my network and that.

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    7. Re:What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      . One home router and a single control unit is all that's needed, or both in one unit. Let that control your food, soap and dryer sheet inventory. Each unit can tell the control system when a unit of measure is used, and it can keep track. Access to the internet is limited to that one device

      Smartphones are headed to this way. The appliance makers just have to write some apps. That wouldn't stop the need for connecting for firmware updates though.

      I don't want my smart phone to be the control system for my home, it leaves with me every time I go somewhere. There is no need for the device to directly connect for a firmware update, all this does is open an avenue for attack. You need nothing more than a file on a USB or SD drive. We were updating systems long before the internet and direct connections were mainstream. Besides, without direct connection, or as I'd prefer my devices, no connection at all, there is little need for constant security updates.

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    8. Re: What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      No. I'm going to be forced to do this when I buy a new TV because you can't get one less than 50 inches now that's not "smart". My 7 year old Sony is showing it's age, and I'm dreading the new one. I'm going to have to figure out how to limit it to only access Netflix address when I do, and I'd rather not have to worry whether my kitchen/laundry appliances are spying on me and try to block that as well.

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    9. Re:What a joke.. by mlts · · Score: 1

      I believe in the KISS principle. Even though people say that a hacker with the 0-days to go after IoT devices won't go after individual users... I will agree there. Individually, they won't bother with people. However, their script that walks the Internet and seizes control of devices, is what would be done, with that info being sold to another party, just like credit card dumps. In fact, a list of vulnerable/cracked devices a person owns might even be in the same database tuple as their name, social security number, and other item sold on the black market.

      There are some things I don't need. I can look at the date of items in my fridge and tell they are going to expire. I don't need to have a fancy infrastructure in place so that some company can sell me milk in the next round of banner ads. I can look near the commode and tell how many rolls of TP that I have, and don't need to upload that info somewhere. I don't need a toilet which checks sugar levels, but quietly uploads that to health insurance companies so they have an excuse to raise premiums. If I'm worried about sugar levels, I can always get a meter and a roll of test strips and do the job right.

      We do not need an IoT. We are being sold this shit because "market expansion" balloons stock prices even though it may or may not make revenue.

      IoT devices will be engineered to be as cheap to produce as possible. They will be coming out of the cheapest factory in China, and engineered to barely work. At best, they will barely pass UL standards, if they don't just come with a fake UL tag in the first place. It will be a given that there will be little thought to security [1], and the only way to fix them will be replacing them with devices that are even buggier and more expensive.

      If we want monitoring, the parent had one way to do it "right". I'd prefer a wired bus that is engineered the reverse of early USB. Devices can send info, but the top node that gets the info cannot initiate or send data... just send an ack that it got received. Even with this, there are still ways to hack it, so the ideal is no system at all.

      Because it be connected to the Internet, doesn't mean it should. Take the Internet connected deadbolt. We don't need junk like that. Instead, the time it takes to engineer that should have been spent making a better locking mechanism/door/jamb system to help against actual threats like lock bumping and kick-ins.

      [1]: I've heard "security has no ROI" many a time, coupled by "Infosys/Geek Squad can fix anything if we get hacked", when I ask the followup question about contingency plans.

    10. Re:What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      I'd rather have one device to worry about and keep secure than 10 separately fully internet connected devices, all of which the manufacturer could care less about the security of. As long as they get their money and force their EULA on you, they're in the clear for any harm done to you and your data/network, they could care less.

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    11. Re:What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      There is no reason what so ever for each device to be directly connected to the internet, or have internet access, for that matter.?

      Or be 'computerized' at all..

      The refrigerator, no, but today's economy washers and driers aren't that bad. Monitoring the loads and water levels for laundry and moisture levels during drying can save a lot of water and energy. I have no problem with that, but they don't need to be telling GE or whoever about it.

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    12. Re:What a joke.. by __aajfby9338 · · Score: 1

      Exactly! That's why I control my home with the DECnet of Things. Let's see those script kiddies try and figure out how to dial up my VAX!

    13. Re:What a joke.. by Iamthecheese · · Score: 2
      The refrigerator doesn't need access to the internet

      Unless I want it to look up recipes. Or be able to auto-order things I'm low on. Or text me in the store to let me know I'm low on milk. Or complain that there's a dangerous form of mold growing. Or give me food usage statistics.

      there is no reason what so ever for each device to be directly connected to the internet,

      I've seen this argument over and over again and it's still just as short-sighted as when it was said the first time.

      There's no good reason and off the top of my head three bad reasons to restrict architecture to a single reporting system:
      • Standards problems. A home automation system needs to be as future proof as possible and it's all too likely that manufacturers of such systems will do everything possible to not work well together.
      • future needs.Where a new set of data from a self-hosting fridge is inherent to the appliance I have to rely on two different systems to support it with the architecture you propose.
      • virus resistance. A large and diverse ecosystem of appliances won't be nearly as vulnerable as a few standardized systems
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    14. Re:What a joke.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      I dont see a point in any appliance being computerized. No thanks for the extra complexity.

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    15. Re:What a joke.. by sjames · · Score: 1

      Not only that. They also want to make sure everything phones home so they can sell your privacy to the highest bidder. When the device should be reporting to a local server installed on a PC in the home, they make sure that instead it reports to their server and the 'owner' of the device logs in to a crappy web app. Eventually, they will push the world's crappiest firmware as an 'upgrade'.

    16. Re:What a joke.. by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      no, infecting my gateway (router) does not mean the machines behind it can be controlled or infected. In fact, my home network is specifically designed to make that statement false.

    17. Re:What a joke.. by sjames · · Score: 1

      Unless I want it to look up recipes. Or be able to auto-order things I'm low on. Or text me in the store to let me know I'm low on milk. Or complain that there's a dangerous form of mold growing. Or give me food usage statistics.

      Wouldn't you rather look up recipes on a pad so you can have it near you when you are cooking rather than having it stuck to the fridge (which shouldn't be next to the stove)?

      Auto order from where? Will it look for good deals on acceptable brands? How will it know what brands I find acceptable without a very long and tedious entry process that will inevitably miss something? What if I don't care to tell the insurance company what I eat? I don't need the same things in the fridge every week, it depends on what I plan to eat. How will the fridge know?

      I have yet to see a fridge that can detect mold and mildew, much less tell if it's dangerous, but even if it can, why does it need the internet? Everyone who needs to know will be living in the house and will see a flashing alert on the local display.

    18. Re:What a joke.. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Sure, you can manually poll expiration dates in your refrigerator, toilet paper stock, or your blood sugar. But if you have something automatically polling them, you're less likely to see negative consequences of accidentally failing to poll when it is time. There's also the convenience factor. You can choose not to have Internet access in your home, instead scheduling a trip to the public library when you need to look at something.

    19. Re: What a joke.. by tepples · · Score: 1

      To keep your smart TV from accessing the Internet when you are not using Netflix, unplug the Ethernet cable.

    20. Re: What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      If I can get one with Ethernet instead of WiFi, I'll be a happier camper. Ether way, I'll just block it from everything other than Netfilx's streaming address on my router. Shouldn't be too hard, just a pain to have to do it.

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    21. Re:What a joke.. by m00sh · · Score: 1

      The internet of things is nothing but a marketers (and hackers) wet dream. I've said it before, and I'll say it again - there is no reason what so ever for each device to be directly connected to the internet, or have internet access, for that matter. The refrigerator doesn't need access to the internet, neither does the washer and drier, toaster, or even the thermostat. One home router and a single control unit is all that's needed, or both in one unit. Let that control your food, soap and dryer sheet inventory. Each unit can tell the control system when a unit of measure is used, and it can keep track. Access to the internet is limited to that one device and there aren't 20 different ways to hack into my network. Of course, this will never fly. Each manufacturer will want to hold the patents on the standards, so they can charge for what should be a free and open standard. No one will ever play nicely so the general public can benefit rather than the elite corporations.

      Fuck them, I'm glad I have the skills and knowledge to do this on my own, without all their patent encumbered, insecure crap. Of course, my washer and drier, refrigerator and oven will remain dumb, as they should.

      Just because you can't envision a use doesn't mean there aren't any. For example, for the refrigerator, you could change the settings by calculating the time and settings required to get the food to a certain temperature. Perhaps there is an optimal temperature you want your food or drink to get to and you want that at 7pm when the guests arrive.

      You could many many cheap sensors inside but right now it's useless because there is no simple user interface to use those sensors.

      For the oven, you have heating elements on the top and bottom and they can be changed in intensity. Right not there is just a general temperature you can set it to. A complex recipe could call for precise application of the top heating element until the food temperature reached a certain point and then use the bottom heating element until the internal temperature is reached. Plus, allow for multiple temperature sensors and it can self calibrate much easier.

      Imagine getting a turkey from the store for thanksgiving. The store sells it with the encoded weight and rough dimensions of the turkey. You want to keep it frozen until a few days before thanksgiving. You transfer it to a different section of the fridge and it will change the settings so that it gets it to 30 degrees throughout in 2 days because it knows the weight and dimensions of the turkey. It knows you set your house temperature at 65 and calculates how long you would put it outside to reach room temperature before you put it in the oven. In the oven, it will adjust a known baking recipe to your turkey's weight and dimensions and get the turkey cooked to the right temperatures.

      It will take a huge hassle out of cooking and food preparation. Or, you could always eat a pre-cooked turkey product or drive to a restaurant to eat out - health and food quality be dammed.

    22. Re:What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      None of what you mentioned requires being connected to the internet.

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    23. Re: What a joke.. by N1AK · · Score: 1

      If I can get one with Ethernet instead of WiFi, I'll be a happier camper.

      Because if it's wireless it's going to brute force your key, or because you lack the self-control not to fill it in even though you claim not to want the functionality? Damn smart TVs, how horrible of them to give you something that will allow you to watch Netflix (just like you want to) directly on the device.

    24. Re:What a joke.. by N1AK · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't you rather look up recipes on a pad so

      Yes I would, but maybe I'd like my fridge to do it so that it can see if I have the ingredients I need.

      I'm using a 10 year old 2nd hand fridge that won't break so and is efficient enough that I can't really justify replacing it so I'm hardly the target market for IoT fridges; that doesn't mean I'm woefully short on imagination and can't think of dozens of useful things it could enable, or need to dismiss them out of hand because of some superficial assumptions about them being unusuable.

    25. Re:What a joke.. by sjames · · Score: 1

      How will your fridge know if you have 1/2 cup of AP flour? You'll need to let the pad look up the recipe and then query the fridge and pantry over the LAN. Neither fridge nor pantry need access to the net.

      I don't object to things on the LAN, I just don't see any reason they should have any access outside of the LAN.

    26. Re:What a joke.. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      I want my fridge/freezer to be connected so that it can use the cheapest off-peak electricity available whenever possible. I want my air-con connected so that when I'm 15 minutes from home my phone can tell it to turn on and have the place nice and cool when I step through the door. I want my toilet to be connected so that it can provide health data for me to monitor. I want my microwave/grill oven connected so it can send a notification to my phone or watch when I'm too far off to hear the ping.

      Obviously if this stuff is insecure or used for advertising it will be rejected. Fortunately there will be competition in the market place and good quality products will be offered. What you are saying makes you a borderline Luddite, afraid of new technology and unable to see how it could benefit us when made to work properly and for our benefit.

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    27. Re:What a joke.. by plover · · Score: 1

      Millions of customers have already disagreed with you. Their devices are already connected to the internet, and the number is growing rapidly.

      This is actually good news for you. That means the chances are very good that sometime in 2024 when your neighbor's house starts playing dub-step at max volume at 3AM, you can wake up, run to Slashdot and post "I told you so."

      In the meantime, those millions of other people will have been saving energy, time, and money for a decade with their smart houses. But it will all be worth it, because you got to say "I told you so back in 2014."

      I'm glad to know your toaster won't ever post "golden brown" to your Facebook page, but your opinion won't slow down the growth of the interconnected device market.

      Now get off my lawn, because I'm watching you remotely with my cameras, and I'm about to turn on the sprinklers with my phone.

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      John
    28. Re:What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      There is no reason what so ever for each device to be directly connected to the internet, or have internet access, for that matter.?

      Or be 'computerized' at all..

      The refrigerator, no, but today's economy washers and driers aren't that bad. Monitoring the loads and water levels for laundry and moisture levels during drying can save a lot of water and energy. I have no problem with that, but they don't need to be telling GE or whoever about it.

      It's great until it breaks and you can't fix it despite a reasonable working knowledge of electronics and mechanics.

      But then that's been true for decades, and I do like the water/energy efficiency bit, so as long as it isn't networked and phoning home about what detergent I use and my fashion choices I'm not complaining.

      I've repaired my front loading washer myself when it stopped spinning correctly, and my refrigerator when the defrost thermostat quit working and my freezer froze solid. Parts for appliances, including electronics and control boards for smart washers and dryers, are readily available from the manufacturer and trouble shooting tips are easily found. I don't think the same can be said for smart TVs, however, but I haven't really searched.

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    29. Re: What a joke.. by bjwest · · Score: 1

      If I can get one with Ethernet instead of WiFi, I'll be a happier camper.

      Because if it's wireless it's going to brute force your key, or because you lack the self-control not to fill it in even though you claim not to want the functionality? Damn smart TVs, how horrible of them to give you something that will allow you to watch Netflix (just like you want to) directly on the device.

      Perhaps I live in a WiFi congested area, my TV is not in a place that gets good WiFi signal from my router, or I just don't want a device on my WiFi network that will use up most of the bandwidth itself when watching a move. Or, perhaps I believe WiFi is for portable devices, not something that will sit where I put it for the next five to ten years.

      All of the above, a combination of some of the above, or just one of the above reasons doesn't matter, I would be happier with wired networking to my TV than I would with WiFi networking.

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    30. Re:What a joke.. by plover · · Score: 1

      I dont see a point in any appliance being computerized. No thanks for the extra complexity.

      Extra? Do you know how washing machines were controlled before they were built with computer controls? There was a clock motor and clockwork gears driving a shaft with notched cam disks, and a series of cam following microswitches that opened and closed based on timing. When certain steps in the cycle needed more precise timing, a gear driven mechanism would speed up the camshaft.

      Don't get me wrong, these devices were really cool mechanisms. But they had their limits. They could not adjust water levels by sensing the size of the loads, so they wasted water. They could not measure the outflow to know when they no longer needed to spin, so they wasted energy. This complicated mechanism cost a lot to make. And each individual component had a higher failure rate over time than a microcontroller. With an array of sensors and an intelligent controller, they can now be made cheaper, more durable, and more efficient. That's the point.

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    31. Re:What a joke.. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      When I'm doing meal planning for tonight on my phone over lunch, it's very convenient to be able to query my pantry and refrigerator. That way, I know if I need to pick up anything on the way home. Also, if I'm looking for a new recipe, I can grab one off the web that will use what's in the kitchen already. There's plenty of reasons why net access would be useful for my refrigerator.

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    32. Re:What a joke.. by sjames · · Score: 1

      I would think a gateway device would be more secure. You contact it and it talks to fridge and pantry. That way you get the upside without the many horrors that await if you let the 'quality' firmware produced for typical consumer appliances talk to the world.

    33. Re:What a joke.. by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Yes i know how they work. I have repaired several without having to replace a multi-hundred dollar microprocessor, instead of a 25 cent gear, or less if i made it myself out in the garage.. Mechanical devices are always simpler.

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  4. The 'Internet of Things' is the next NoSQL, RoR. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Amen, brother! Amen, amen, AMEN!

    I've had to see through so many meetings now where some hipster dickweeds keep going on about the 'Internet of Things'. It is all so very tedious. It's just like three or four years ago, when they wouldn't shut the hell up about NoSQL. They said it would 'change the world' and we'd have to get rid of all of our real DB systems. MongoDB! Cassandra! Redis! They couldn't go 10 minutes without dropping one of those names, even when we were talking about rugby during lunch. And then they were proven wrong. Those technologies faltered and withered.

    And it's just like four years before that, when these same hipsters had stiff, raging hard-ons for Ruby on Rails. It would 'change the world', they told us. We'd have to get rid of all of our web apps written in Java, PHP and Perl. Ruby! Ruby on Rails! DHH! Zed Shaw! Mongrel! The name dropping was maybe even worse than it would be for NoSQL. I couldn't go an entire work day without hearing some hipster verbally ooze lustful and quasi-erotic feelings for Zed Shaw. And then they were proven wrong. Those technologies faltered and withered.

    The 'Internet of Things' is following the same pattern, and the outcome will be the same. The hipsters get excited about something stupid, the hipsters won't shut up about it, reality sets in, and their obsession becomes irrelevant when there's none of their hype surrounding it.

  5. What about rain? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You know, if there comes some soft rains, what will the house do?

    1. Re:What about rain? by russotto · · Score: 1

      If there comes soft rains, you and your house will need to talk like lovers do.

      I suppose the house will have to come with a RealDoll avatar.

    2. Re:What about rain? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I suppose the house will have to come with a RealDoll avatar.

      This is how the world ends. Not with a bang, or a whimper, but with a moan.

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  6. It doesn't matter if we want a "connected home" by bluegutang · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It doesn't matter if we WANT a "connected home". We are going to have it, like it or not. In a couple decades, it will be impossible to buy an appliance that isn't "connected'. Connectivity will cost less than whatever the marketing companies will pay to track our habits, and all devices will include connectivity by default. We likely won't even be able to buy unconnected devices, because economies of scale will not exist to make them affordable.

    1. Re:It doesn't matter if we want a "connected home" by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      I don't think it's about economies of scale, the machines will most certainly work offline. But connected smart appliances will be necessary for the use of opportunistic energy sources (like solar PV) without energy storage. You'll simply get a larger power bill.

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    2. Re:It doesn't matter if we want a "connected home" by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

      To anyone currently building or planning to build a house: have a faraday cage built-in into the walls, floors and roof. That includes the windows. It's going to be a pain in the short term to not have wi-fi in your house, but in a decade or two you'll be glad you did.

    3. Re:It doesn't matter if we want a "connected home" by pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It doesn't matter if we WANT a "connected home". We are going to have it, like it or not. In a couple decades, it will be impossible to buy an appliance that isn't "connected'.

      You could say that today about things like printers and TVs - They always seem to want you to plug in a network and tell them how to get to the outside world. But! We have one option that will always work - Don't plug it in. And if it uses wireless, well, you should already use MAC whitelisting on your router (yes, I know, not "real" security, but as with so many other things, it keeps the "honest" casual-thieves away).

      Of course, with your TV, that will break functionality you may want, such as direct access to YouTube. With printers, I've never understood why they need to know how to get out of your LAN, they just need a valid local address; no gateway, no DNS required. And with your refrigerator, toaster, microwave oven? Sorry, but automatic restocking, a live video feed of the color of my toast, and remotely starting dinner don't really count as "killer apps" (except insofar as the last one will eventually lead to houses burning down as a result).

      The real problem comes with more expensive things like cars, where the cost of giving it its own cell connection falls far short of the marketing value of selling out your driving habits; in that case, though, you can disable it, they just make it somewhat difficult (in the case of my most recent car, I needed to pull out the entire center console to get at and unplug the TMU). But overall, the way to keep your devices offline? Pull the plug, simple as that.

    4. Re:It doesn't matter if we want a "connected home" by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Oh hardly. If you really, really don't want a 'connected' refrigerator, buy a used one of current lineage. You can keep a major appliance alive for 30 - 40 years with only minimal fuss. Personally, I cannot stand washer / driers that have more complex electronics than my boat (and I'm looking at YOU, LG you mindless idiots). My paradigm for washing clothes does not involve nearly that many decisions.

      So we have a washer / drier that has those quaint mechanical dials. That keep on cleaning and drying, doing exactly what I want them to do. And nothing more. I can keep them running until I'm ready for the nursing home, at which time I probably will neither know nor care how clothes washing is done.

      Ah, first world problems.

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    5. Re:It doesn't matter if we want a "connected home" by fisted · · Score: 3, Informative

      What makes you believe you couldn't run a wireless network inside a faraday cage?

    6. Re:It doesn't matter if we want a "connected home" by dissy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With printers, I've never understood why they need to know how to get out of your LAN, they just need a valid local address; no gateway, no DNS required.

      Most printer vendors these days offer a feature to print from the internet, and they figure (correctly I suspect) it's easier to have the printer connect out and poll than to explain how to port forward something through a home router to the average customer.

      HP for example assigns the printer an email address on one of their domains, and the printer just polls the mailbox.

      I suppose under the asumption one wants such a feature, this is the better way to go about it...

    7. Re:It doesn't matter if we want a "connected home" by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      You don't need your fridge to send information about its contents to google for the fridge being abled to recieve unidirectional energy price broadcasts. You can design protocols which remove the need for your energy company to know every detail of your energy consumption, and still enable dynamic energy prices.

    8. Re:It doesn't matter if we want a "connected home" by ArcadeMan · · Score: 1

      If you run a wireless network inside your faraday cage, then it's pointless to have a faraday cage in the first place. You want to prevent your future appliances to connect to the Internet without your knowledge, not help them.

    9. Re:It doesn't matter if we want a "connected home" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      We need a legal fix, not a technical fix. Cars are a good example - you shouldn't have to take your brand new motor apart to unplug stuff, and should be able to get the benefits you paid for without advertising and tracking.

      The EU already has something of a track record on data protection, and it seems like we just need to take it further. Devices like cars that can monitor your location need to be legally regulated so that they are never, ever allowed to sell that data.

      The only flaw is that law enforcement always gets access to the data. ANPR is bad enough. I wonder if some challenge could be made against it though, such as location data showing a visit to a sexual health clinic giving them unwarranted access to private medical information.

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  7. Re:You do know by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

    PS: I gonna b**** slap anyone who says "I can't do that Dave."

  8. Re:Wat by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    When you're out of milk, is your Google Glass half-full or half-empty?

  9. Re: Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by loufoque · · Score: 1

    It doesn't really matter what the operating system is if the security bug is inside the software you need to run.

  10. Re:You do know by ArcadeMan · · Score: 2

    Of course you would. Your name isn't Dave.

  11. Not Mat again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Mat Honan is no stranger to this kind of stuff and I'm really tired of hearing what he has to say. The thing that soured me was when he stuck his phone in his back pocket, sat on it in a taxicab, and the screen cracked...and promptly whined to someone else at Wired and had them write a whole article about phone glass to justify that it wasn't his fault that he plopped his ass down on his phone and busted the screen. This guy seems to blunder constantly and then blames all of the things that happened on someone else.

    1. Re:Not Mat again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      After visiting that page again, I just realized that they nuked all the comments. They were full of statements to the effect that "Mat shouldn't have sat on his fucking phone, that was really stupid."

    2. Re:Not Mat again by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      Maybe someone should post an article to slashdot.
      "Wired censors people who critique their writers intelligence."

    3. Re:Not Mat again by careysub · · Score: 1

      Or writers' (or writers's depending on your stylebook).

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  12. Re: Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Funny

    It doesn't really matter what the operating system is if the security bug is inside the software you need to run.

    I think that was the point. Other than BIND, what runs on OpenBSD?

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  13. Re: Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by loufoque · · Score: 1

    Any POSIX-compatible software that you build and run yourself?

  14. This Presupposes you'll let your items connect... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This level of paranoia implies that all of your appliances and devices are going to magically connect to the internet all by themselves.

    I've got a smart TV. Guess what? I just don't let it connect to any wifi networks. Problem solved. As to other devices? Just don't buy them. The "pillow" described above? It has speakers. Speakers have wires going to them. Wires that can be cut. Problem solved.

  15. Networking 101 by bananaquackmoo · · Score: 2

    These days there really should be a basic computer networking class that everyone has to take. If there were then people would know how to fix these problems themselves. Lockdown your LAN and make sure you keep your wireless device software up to date with super strong passwords, if you really need to have wireless.

    1. Re:Networking 101 by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      You sir, obviously, do not work in a customer-facing field.

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    2. Re:Networking 101 by i.r.id10t · · Score: 1

      Or make beer and other hobby money fixing things for people...

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    3. Re:Networking 101 by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      95 out of 100 people are far too ignorant and stupid to handle that task. Where I work, managemnet just put out memo that we can no longer talk over the cubes about how untrainable and foolish the users are, clicking on the same scam links in emails and web pages that infect their pc again and again. Yes, managers, that's the problem, we the IT people. If we don't talk about those things the problem is solved.

    4. Re:Networking 101 by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Actually, they're addressing at least a symptom of the real problem, which is that all of the users are of species Homo Sapiens. There's no point in complaining that your users are stupid when (a) they aren't, and (b) you're not going to be able to trade them in on new users that do understand these things (and will need to be paid more, without adding more value to the company). Figure out how to help actual people, not some subset of them.

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    5. Re:Networking 101 by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      wrong, they are indeed lazy and stupid because at prior places I've worked the workforce was not full of such

  16. Re:Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 2

    While OpenBSD is certainly more secure than most operating systems, running it is not a cure all.

    Just look at Heartbleed. The bug affected still affected OpenBSD.

    And if you didn't patch your system, you'd still have issues to this day.

    The fact of the matter is good security is hard, and requires a lot of work. Using OpenBSD may get you closer to your end goal, but you still will have to do some leg work yourself

  17. Re: Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by dotancohen · · Score: 1

    Do you really think that the Internet-Of-things hipsters will be writing POSIX compatible software?

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  18. Re: Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by loufoque · · Score: 2

    Most software on embedded devices is just Linux open-source software repurposed with a shitty UI on top.

  19. Re: Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by pla · · Score: 1

    It doesn't really matter what the operating system is if the security bug is inside the software you need to run.

    You may have meant this, but I would rephrase that to: "if the security bug is the software you need to run".

    / Fuck the Internet of Things, aka "Please let Madison Ave into your kitchen".

  20. Re:The 'Internet of Things' is the next NoSQL, RoR by hawguy · · Score: 1

    Amen, brother! Amen, amen, AMEN!

    I've had to see through so many meetings now where some hipster dickweeds keep going on about the 'Internet of Things'. It is all so very tedious. It's just like three or four years ago, when they wouldn't shut the hell up about NoSQL. They said it would 'change the world' and we'd have to get rid of all of our real DB systems. MongoDB! Cassandra! Redis! They couldn't go 10 minutes without dropping one of those names, even when we were talking about rugby during lunch. And then they were proven wrong. Those technologies faltered and withered.

    NoSQL technology did not falter or wither, it's stronger and more popular than ever and works quite well in certain circumstances. NoSQL didn't replace relational databases, but when used appropriately, it does exactly what it's supposed to.

  21. Re:Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I'd love to. In fact, I've tried recently. After installation, I was informed that I didn't have enough inodes free to install ports and system sources. So I reformat with the smallest possible fragment size. CVS repeatedly hangs up. Not once can I manage to download the entire ports/sources trees OR install them from tarball and update them. I'm sure it's just me, only having been programming for 20 years, but shiiiit, you'd think they could smooth the installation a bit. If you can't install and update the damn thing, what good is it?

  22. Re: Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by NIK282000 · · Score: 1

    Just like my house can have as many rooms as I want as long as I build them all myself. "u-compile" software is not for mass markets. Yes anyone can do it with after a serious Google session but that is more work than the average person will do for any kind of software.

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  23. The Nightmare On Connected Home Street by NotInHere · · Score: 1

    The Nightmare On Connected Home Street

    Connected Home Street itself is already a nightmare.

  24. which Swift? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Swift? You're sure they didn't mean the European currency exchange and clearing mechanism? It's as old as I am. (Well, not quite. Nothing's that old.) But it's definitely old enough that you can have six years' experience a few times over.

  25. Re: Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by loufoque · · Score: 1

    It's not any more work than installing OpenBSD

  26. Re:How's this then? by istartedi · · Score: 2

    His is by Ray Bradbury. You were saying? Everybody else on this thread so far, except for the top-level poster, TURN IN YOUR GEEK CARD.

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  27. OK, before somebody else points it out... by istartedi · · Score: 1

    1. The poem is actually be Sara Teasdale but was used in Bradbury's short story of the same name. 2. The subset of people who didn't at least think about Bradbury turns in their cards.

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  28. Re: Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by dotancohen · · Score: 1

    Most software on embedded devices is just Linux open-source software repurposed with a shitty UI on top.

    Is that shitty UI POSIX compliant?

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  29. Re: Just run it on OpenBSD, for crying out loud. by sjames · · Score: 1

    Alas, it tends to be all Ajaxy and stuff. Not that Ajax is intrinsically bad (It can be great), but it tends to be written by web designers who picked up a little code rather than by actual software developers (meaning it isn't actually a proper API using http for RPC). They figure they can implement security in version 2 (which won't happen).

  30. Connected Home of the Future .. by lippydude · · Score: 1

    Does this Connected Home of the Future run on Microsoft Windows ©

  31. Re:Wat by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    glassholes are always full of shit

  32. Re:This Presupposes you'll let your items connect. by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    you play your movies from a plastic disk? wow, just like grandpa's LPs? yet they require internet to authorize them?

    why don't you just get your movies from the internet anyway?

  33. Excessive experience requirement == poaching by tepples · · Score: 1

    The only way one could have that much experience with Apple Swift is to have worked at Apple on the Swift team. It's code for "We want to poach somebody from Apple." I know Apple HQ is in a state with a public policy against covenants not to compete, but that still leaves an opportunity for Apple to try a legal theory of inevitable disclosure.

  34. Re:Overly paranoid by sjames · · Score: 1

    Probably because you haven't had a device hacked.

  35. Won't help by Animats · · Score: 1

    It won't help. Too much is already under control of remote vendors. Google/Apple and the carrier can muck with your cell phone. Your telco can muck with your router. Your cable provider can muck with your cable box, and maybe your TV. So can your TV vendor. Your game machine is a slave to its vendor and the game providers. Your TV, computers, and Kinect may be watching you right now. Your remote-based security system definitely is.

    You don't control any of this stuff. Even if you run Ubuntu, it's always asking to install new stuff.

  36. Free Software needed by RR · · Score: 1

    I refuse to build a Connected Home without Free Software. Imagine the security nightmares of SCADA and consumer electronics, together at last.

    This has to apply to the drivers and the peripheral firmware, too, because the Linux kernel has its own vulnerabilities.

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  37. Try try try try try again by WaffleMonster · · Score: 1

    Amusing to sit on the sidelines and watch the marketeers at work pushing garbage nobody is predisposed to care about in the first place.

    Apparently they refuse to understand home automation offers very little in the way of actual benefits to user where novelty of gimmick ridden ... "look ma I can flush my toilet from my iphone" ... get old quicker than 3-D glasses needed to view overpriced blue ray movies.

    Gimmicks are the turd left behind when you are unwilling or unable to provide actual value to the consumer.

  38. Re:The Nightmare on WINDOWS(TM) Home Street by Shompol · · Score: 1

    I see windows boxes at relatives houses and they are all infested with viruses and botnets, their browsers hijacked, mostly not from viruses but from "free" stuff they installed from the internet. By contrast, all the linux machines are pristine. Even two computers in the same household - one Linux and the other one Windows - there is no comparison.

    You can downmod me all you want and tell stories how you managed to secure a Windows machine with your ninja IT skills, the average household's computer is like the "house" from TFA.

  39. What ? by ruir · · Score: 1

    Your house is running Windows Rubish XXIII instead of StallMan XXX? Poor You...