Slashdot Mirror


Century-Old Drug Reverses Signs of Autism In Mice

sciencehabit writes: A single dose of a century-old drug has eliminated autism symptoms in adult mice with an experimental form of the disorder. Originally developed to treat African sleeping sickness, the compound, called suramin, quells a heightened stress response in neurons that researchers believe may underlie some traits of autism. The finding raises the hope that some hallmarks of the disorder may not be permanent, but could be correctable even in adulthood.

207 comments

  1. Well, so much for slashdot by i+kan+reed · · Score: 5, Funny

    Any idea what will be at this domain when its entire userbase is cured?

    1. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Funny

      Why, the insightful and informative discussions of topical issues we used to have, grounded in solid science and without bias.

      LOL, ok, I can't even type that without laughing.

      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    2. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This supposedly treats symptoms of autism, not internet diagnosis of autism that often include behaviors that have nothing to do with autism.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    3. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by flyingsquid · · Score: 4, Funny

      This treatment is a huge step forward. Finally- mice that can recognize sarcasm.

    4. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by bricko · · Score: 2

      Jenny McCarthy will be devasted

    5. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by drakaan · · Score: 1

      I was unaware that she was vast...let alone trying not to be.

      --
      "Murphy was an optimist" - O'Toole's commentary on Murphy's Law
    6. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Funny

      internet diagnoses of autism that often include...

      FTFY.

      behaviors that have nothing to do with autism.

      Such as tedious pedantry (see above).

      --
      systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
    7. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A store front selling genuine century old bottles of medicine.

    8. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Doesn't matter for most of us, since we won't be alive in 100 years when the drug is finally aged enough to be effective. /ducks

    9. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      I was unaware that she was vast...let alone trying not to be.

      only 50 percent vast

      halfvast.

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    10. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by davester666 · · Score: 1

      won't happen. obviously the drug is outside of being patent-protected, thus nobody has any incentive to produce it.

      --
      Sleep your way to a whiter smile...date a dentist!
    11. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by fractoid · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure that there is enough of the drug already that is effective ducks.

      --
      Rampant carbon sequestration destroyed the Dinosaurs' tropical paradise. I'm here to help repair the damage.
    12. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was unaware that she was vast...let alone trying not to be.

      You should look into getting on the list for early trials of this drug. Just saying'.

    13. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by doccus · · Score: 1

      Jenny McCarthy will be devasted

      Because we can now cure autism in mice?

    14. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      It's a vaccine. It allegedly cures autism.

      Holding those two thoughts simultaneously could cause all of the air to leak out of her head.

      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    15. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cured of autism, not the complete list of ailments mental and physical.
      For instance, dependence on their mommies for basement space, food, laundry, and an allowance.

    16. Re: Well, so much for slashdot by darkarena9789 · · Score: 1

      Lol. Fortunately there aren't many mice here on slashdot.

    17. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      laughing. ROTFL. True that.

    18. Re:Well, so much for slashdot by gzuckier · · Score: 1

      It turns out that the mice ended up with their vaccinations reversed.

      --
      Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
  2. Why reverse? Increase!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    I like to increase symptoms of autism using Adderall.

    Whether I'm lashing out at my peers, or mumbling and shaking uncontrollably, Adderall is my go-to drug for augmenting autism!

    It's no wonder so many parents shove this medication down their throats!

    When it comes to Autism, I like to turn it up to 11 and RIP THE NOB OFF!

    1. Re:Why reverse? Increase!! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Well, I think we all agree that enforcing "normality" is both stupid and impossible, because two people can pass each heading opposite directions looking for "normal".

    2. Re: Why reverse? Increase!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's not what autism is, quit being an ignorant ass.

    3. Re:Why reverse? Increase!! by jeffmflanagan · · Score: 2

      No, we can't treat with a goal of normality, but we can shoot for the goal of maximising happiness and increasing people's ability to not only function, but to excel in whatever environment they're in.

    4. Re:Why reverse? Increase!! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      And with some sort of perfect foresight, that'd be sensible. I'm not sure how possible it is.

    5. Re:Why reverse? Increase!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It all starts making sense when you realise that "normal" really means "able to work in a factory and/or take orders from a hierarchy in an optimal fashion". That pretty much excludes the human desire of "maximising happiness and increasing people's ability to not only function, but to excel in whatever environment they're in".

    6. Re:Why reverse? Increase!! by sFurbo · · Score: 1

      Isn't this reservation applicable to any drug, or even any interaction? So the optimal choice of action would always be - nothing? If not, then why are the situations were it is not the case different from medical treatments?

    7. Re:Why reverse? Increase!! by i+kan+reed · · Score: 1

      Not in the context of my argument, if you look back, I said focusing on more extreme(and obviously debilitating) cases is a better approach.

    8. Re:Why reverse? Increase!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maximising happiness... I don't think that's possible. Maximising happiness means someone has to have information of everything ( everyone ) in order to plan stuff... and with human nature... envy, gloat, entitlement and all the other bad traits... that's bound to not work out. Sorry for sounding like a pessimist... :)

      The ones at "the top" are bound to have their own self interest first... anything else and they'd be robotic / saintly and do we really want to be "ruled" by robots / saints?

    9. Re:Why reverse? Increase!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes I agree with you. "Optimal" in the sense "possible to wield power over by shaming, irony, mental bullying et.c.".

      We really define a disease / disability in individuals as "not being possible to wield power over".

  3. Can a company patent it? by mi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gaining a drug's approval by the Food and Drug Administration in the US — and similar government agencies in other countries — is a very expensive process. The expense is normally offset for by the patent(s) granted to the pharmaceutical company, that developed the drug, which make it an exclusive maker/seller of the medicine for decades.

    However, if the drug is long-known — and only needs an approval for new application — who will undertake to pay for the approval, if there is no way to patent it and the approval will allow all drug-makers (both domestic and foreign) to put their own versions on the market?

    --
    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    1. Re:Can a company patent it? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      It shouldn't be patentable, but our patent system is a huge disaster. However, assuming this shows legitimate promise, one of those autism related charities should be able to front the bill.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    2. Re:Can a company patent it? by mi · · Score: 1

      How much did it cost Monsanto to get approval for ritalin?

      No idea about this particular case. But an average cost of approval of a new drug is over $150 million. According to the same page, that increases the development cost of an average new drug by about 50%.

      --
      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    3. Re:Can a company patent it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Regulatory approvals are expensive, but actual drug R&D is even moreso expensive; patents are not there to justify the cost of regulation so much as the cost of R&D. It is cheaper to certify an old, unpatentable drug and sell it as a generic than to develop a wholly new one. Even then, they still could probably get a patent on the drug by changing some less important part of the chemical structure, ala what they did with Nexium. Prilosec's patent about to expire? Just filter out half the chiral mirrors, falsify some studies, and bam - you have a "new" drug with "benefits" over the public domain drug.

    4. Re:Can a company patent it? by larwe · · Score: 2

      Off-label use of a drug currently approved for a given clinical use is very easy to achieve. However, looking at the side effects of this pharmafossil, it's looking like the side effects are worse than the condition it is being proposed to treat. I can't see an adult consenting to take it. Parents could force their children to be dosed with it, I guess.

    5. Re:Can a company patent it? by i+kan+reed · · Score: 2

      I'm not sure why an agriculture company would get a patent on a psychiatric medication. I get that Monsanto and Big Pharma are both "bad guys", but the patent(now expired) on Ritalin was granted to Novarta, a swiss pharmaceutical company, and most of their current work revolves around vaccines.

      This is all information turned up in a few seconds of basic research(yay internet era). The point is that you shouldn't go crazy with every single thing being one big conspiracy.

    6. Re:Can a company patent it? by Thagg · · Score: 1

      Yes, one can often patent a drug for a new purpose. You probably can't charge $1,000/dose for a repurposing, but it can be done.

      The absolutely shocking prevalence of autism today (currently estimated at 1 in 68 births, probably 1 in 40 boys) will make any drug that has a good effect profitable.

      As the parent of an autistic teenager, I'm hoping for the best. It does appear that, like Tolstoy said, all autistic kids are autistic in their own way; so I'm not holding out a lot of hope. Some, though...

      --
      I love Mondays. On a Monday, anything is possible.
    7. Re:Can a company patent it? by mi · · Score: 2

      one of those autism related charities should be able to front the bill.

      Are there autism-related charities capable of putting forth the $150 million typically required to pay for FDA's approval?

      And even if there are, I suspect, some of them might not want to to do that — under some legitimate-sounding reason — because it might eliminate their very reason for existing... Just as I would not trust "anti-poverty" politicians to do anything to really eliminate it — thus ending their political careers...

      --
      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    8. Re:Can a company patent it? by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      Wow you must have a thing against Monsanto. They are an agribusiness and not a pharmaceutical company. Ritaline was invented by CIBA, now Novartis Corporation.

    9. Re:Can a company patent it? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Ignoring the money raised through walks and such, Autism Speaks noted that a bill with $230 million for autism research was passed a few years back, and Big Pharma would probably consider funding it worthwhile just to shut Jenny Mccarthy up, plus the great PR this would have.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    10. Re:Can a company patent it? by mi · · Score: 1

      Autism Speaks noted that a bill with $230 million for autism research was passed a few years back

      The bulk — if not all — of that is already committed, no doubt.

      Big Pharma would probably consider funding it worthwhile just to shut Jenny Mccarthy up, plus the great PR this would have.

      That may be...

      --
      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    11. Re:Can a company patent it? by disposable60 · · Score: 1

      Risking a 50% chance of toasted adrenals is a bit much to ask to treat a non-life-threatening condition.

      --
      You're looking for quotes? See my journal.
    12. Re:Can a company patent it? by medv4380 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The drug is still in use, and there is nothing preventing a doctor from prescribing it for an off label use.

    13. Re:Can a company patent it? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      The bulk — if not all — of that is already committed, no doubt

      It probably is, but bills like that are pretty common. Given the number of people on the Autistic spectrum, it's not going to be hard to get that amount of money if this drug shows promise. NIH and similar sources drop about half the money already, and about half of the drugs are low priority me too drugs. So, all we need is an impassioned plea form the wife of a Senator with an autistic child and the grant for this can be fast-tracked.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    14. Re:Can a company patent it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a parent of an autistic child - if it works, hell, I'll pay for it. Kickstarter it!

    15. Re:Can a company patent it? by NatasRevol · · Score: 2

      Given that they could easily over-market this drug to helicopter parents, I imagine the large pharma companies wouldn't hesitate at spending that for the approval.

      --
      There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
    16. Re:Can a company patent it? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Does big pharma hate Jenny McCarthy?

      She's giving them more customers...

      --
      There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
    17. Re:Can a company patent it? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Anyone in their right mind hates Jenny McCarthy for convincing parents to skip vaccinations over [scary voice] Autism and toxins [/scary voice]. (Botox is perfectly fine, though.)

      Since I have a child with Autism (Asperger's Syndrome so he's very high functioning), I double-hate her not only for her insinuation that a child is better off dead than Autistic, but for her claims of curing her son's Autism with a Gluten free diet (or whatever other nonsense she's advocating right now). Either her son didn't have Autism at all or he still has Autism but his symptoms were reduced so he could function better in neurotypical society. You don't "cure" Autism.

      Yes, I realize what article I'm posting this under. Note that they said it reduces symptoms, not cures. Individuals with severe autism are so hampered that they can't communicate. Imagine not being able to communicate your fears, frustrations, desires, etc to anybody... ever. This drug might offer a path to reduce their symptoms to the point that they could communicate and possibly function in neurotypical society. It's not an Autism cure.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    18. Re:Can a company patent it? by larwe · · Score: 1

      And if it causes fearsome rashes and a 50/50 shot of adrenal destruction, would you still feel the same way?

    19. Re:Can a company patent it? by NatasRevol · · Score: 1

      Anyone in their right mind hates Jenny McCarthy for convincing parents to skip vaccinations

      Unless you're selling alternative treatments to the sicknesses those vaccinations cause.

      --
      There are two types of people in the world: Those who crave closure
    20. Re:Can a company patent it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing, considering it was not made by Monsanto, but by Novartis.

    21. Re:Can a company patent it? by godel_56 · · Score: 1

      Gaining a drug's approval by the Food and Drug Administration in the US — and similar government agencies in other countries — is a very expensive process. The expense is normally offset for by the patent(s) granted to the pharmaceutical company, that developed the drug, which make it an exclusive maker/seller of the medicine for decades.

      However, if the drug is long-known — and only needs an approval for new application — who will undertake to pay for the approval, if there is no way to patent it and the approval will allow all drug-makers (both domestic and foreign) to put their own versions on the market?

      Or, the parents can just take their kids to Mexico for a week.

    22. Re:Can a company patent it? by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      Having one myself, I'd say 'maybe'.

      But the boy already has man-boobs from off-label use of Risperdal.

      So probably not.

    23. Re:Can a company patent it? by medv4380 · · Score: 1

      Given that the Adrenal Cortex is responsible for the stress response it probably works to combat autism stress by slightly damaging the gland responsible for over stressing. And only a small portion of that 50% actually need any life long treatment for the damage which does exist. So your "toasted" adrenals is a bit of an overstatement. Finally, Autism is pretty much life threatening in that they have much shorter life expectancy, and a far lower quality of life.

    24. Re:Can a company patent it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Novartis sold most of their vaccines business to GSK.

      http://www.novartis.com/newsroom/media-releases/en/2014/1778515.shtml

    25. Re:Can a company patent it? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Does big pharma hate Jenny McCarthy?

      She's giving them more customers...

      Does Big Pharma make embalming fluid?

      --
      The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
    26. Re:Can a company patent it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, but I can spell Assburgers correctly. That's what you have douchebag.

    27. Re:Can a company patent it? by Zynder · · Score: 1

      Well looks like you're gonna get paid then. I see nothing but commercials about suing those guys.

    28. Re:Can a company patent it? by russotto · · Score: 2

      Imagine not being able to communicate your fears, frustrations, desires, etc to anybody... ever. This drug might offer a path to reduce their symptoms to the point that they could communicate and possibly function in neurotypical society.

      Joke's on them. Once they have the ability, they'll find out that no one cares about their fears, frustrations, or desires anyway.

    29. Re:Can a company patent it? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Never challenge an Aspi in spelling. We check things like that. There is no b in Asperger. I remember the spelling because is sounds like someone with diarrhea.

    30. Re:Can a company patent it? by flyneye · · Score: 1

      That explains why I see so many so called cures on television , that cause side effects that will in turn send you running to the doctor for more pills. Its a subscription scam, not a prescription cure. Buy your way onto the market by bribing the FDA, thats how we handle medicine here. NOW Omamacare makes complete sense.
      Whata buncha dipshits.

      --
      *Repent!Quit Your Job!Slack Off!The World Ends Tomorrow and You May Die!
    31. Re:Can a company patent it? by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Their family might. There are plenty of parents of severely autistic children who would love to know what was going on in their kids' heads that the kids couldn't communicate. Plus, being able to communicate is a big step to being able to function in society.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    32. Re:Can a company patent it? by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      Are there autism-related charities capable of putting forth the $150 million [fastcompany.com] typically required to pay for FDA's approval?

      Why would they need approval? I think Suramin is already approved and on the market as an antimicrobial/antiviral medication for treating certain diseases, so ostensibly doctors can just prescribe it off-label. AFAIK, the only reason to get FDA approval would be so that the manufacturer would be allowed to actually market it as a treatment for autism.

      --

      Check out my sci-fi/humor trilogy at PatriotsBooks.

  4. Good news for Mice. by jellomizer · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How about people?

    --
    If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    1. Re:Good news for Mice. by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      I'm thinking we'll find that out really soon, as desperate parents buy the drug on the black market, and try it out on their kids.

      --
      Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
    2. Re:Good news for Mice. by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      No need to go for the black market, it's already widely available.

    3. Re:Good news for Mice. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      Good news for them too, autistic mice can really be a pest.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    4. Re:Good news for Mice. by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      More of a gray market, although I don't think it's available without a prescription, and it's a bit hard to fake parasites (two of the primary uses of this drug)

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    5. Re:Good news for Mice. by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      I find it funny with the vaccine nonsense, and your comment. It makes it seem that having autism is worse then death. Now there are many degrees of autism (Hence why it is the autism spectrum)

      Most people with Autism will fall on the more mild areas, chances are with some different education the child will grow up to become a productive member of society. Even people with extreme cases are not completely out of it.

      --
      If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
    6. Re:Good news for Mice. by Jason+Levine · · Score: 2

      I'm the parent of a child with Autism (albeit High Functioning Autism/Asperger's Syndrome) and know plenty of parents of children with more severe Autism. None of us would rather our children be dead (of vaccine preventable illness or anything else) than have Autism.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    7. Re:Good news for Mice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More of a gray market, although I don't think it's available without a prescription, and it's a bit hard to fake parasites (two of the primary uses of this drug)

      It might be somewhat hard to fake parasites but I'm sure mail ordering them or taking a trip overseas
      would both be an option.

    8. Re: Good news for Mice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oooh, how shall I respond.

      If something isn't done for my kid, like the group home she may be waiting five or more years to get into, my choices are suicide or stroke or heart attack. For me, I mean. I am in my 50's, she is 18, obsessive about sweets, dairy and wheat work on her brain like a bad speedball off Richard Pryor's supplier, will pull candy, cookies and half-drunk sodas out of trashcans in public, will shoplift same if nobody is watching her, and so far no mental health agency will work with her because she is "only" autistic. She functions at about the level of a 4 to 6 year old. Half fried adrenals? Sounds like a safe bet to me. Sign me right the eff up.

    9. Re:Good news for Mice. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me translate that for you. "I can't stand people I can't control".

  5. Godsend by jklovanc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As someone with Aspergers Syndrome this would be a godsend for me. There are many times where my adrenaline level is far above what is needed for the situation. It is extremely frustrating when most of my body is in full fight/flight response and there is a small voice in the back of my head saying "chill out dude, it's not that important". The problem is that the adrenal response usually overrides the cognitive response and bad things happen.

    I just hope it does not impact the good things about autism such as the heightened ability to find and keep track of details.

    1. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They didn't indicate where their diagnosis came from, so you have no basis upon which to make that judgement.

    2. Re:Godsend by jythie · · Score: 1

      I fail to see where the poster indicated they were self diagnosed.

    3. Re:Godsend by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

      And not be an ass, but I'm going to be an ass

      Good call.

    4. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, 'Asperger's' doesn't exist anymore. DSM and all.

    5. Re:Godsend by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's a heightened stress response on a cellular level to cellular stresses.

      I am hoping that the reduction in cell stress response will have a similar reduction in adrenal stress response.

      If you diagnosed yourself, you definitely don't have Asperger's Syndrome.

      I was diagnosed by a psychologist and expert in Autism and Asperger's Syndrome. I actually get a tax deduction due to it.

    6. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was re-labeled under the umbrella of Autism Spectrum Disorder. That doesn't mean it retroactively never existed or "doesn't exist anymore", and the term is still under common usage within and without the autism community.

    7. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I fail to see where the poster indicated they were self diagnosed.

      They didn't but the vast, vast majority of the time anyone who is claiming Asperger's with a link to social anxiety is self diagnosed, and wrongly so.

    8. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you tried beta blockers? I was on a beta blocker for a while and I had no adrenaline response. It only takes a small dose.

    9. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I fail to see where the poster indicated they were self diagnosed.

      "If you are self aware enough to think that you have Asperger's Syndrome, then you don't."

    10. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone with Aspergers Syndrome this would be a godsend for me. There are many times where my adrenaline level is far above what is needed for the situation. It is extremely frustrating when most of my body is in full fight/flight response and there is a small voice in the back of my head saying "chill out dude, it's not that important". The problem is that the adrenal response usually overrides the cognitive response and bad things happen.

      You know what we called people like you (or me)? Nervous.

      "Aspergers Syndrome" diagnosis is clearly out of control when someone with some nervousness or anxiety is suddenly a "syndrome". And guess what - being nervous is *normal*. That's why you keep track of details, because you are nervous about failing. You remove the fear, you remove your "abilities" too.

      Read up "My Age of Anxiety" by Stossel..

      Anxiety and phobias has been with humanity for centuries. They have nothing to do with Autism.

    11. Re:Godsend by king+neckbeard · · Score: 2

      Furthermore, not everyone in the world considers the latest version of the DSM to be the ultimate authority on the subject.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    12. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm curious to know more about the tax deduction. I got a diagnosis, which I've thus far elected to ignore, but ... really, a tax deduction? I'd genuinely like to hear more about that.

    13. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice way to lock out an entire population of people from self-advocacy and standing up for their own rights.

    14. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No. It just means you really are an ass, and thus probably don't have Asperger's.

      Stop claiming you know anything about diagnosis.

    15. Re:Godsend by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      There are days when I'm thankful that I'm an Aspie - like when my (neurotypical) wife is fretting over some body language that other people exhibited that I was completely blind to - and days when I'm not. In the case of the latter, when my Aspie fixations clash with my son's Aspie fixations, it can get quite stressful in our house. We feed off each other not doing what we're fixated on doing and everything quickly spirals out of control with my wife caught in the middle.

      Of course, like you said, I wouldn't want to give up the good parts just to be rid of the bad parts.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    16. Re: Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If on the other hand you got a diagnosis from a non-autism psych in the 1980's of "it seems like mild autism but he's not retarded so he doesn't need to go to an autism specialist", you probably do have ASD severity 1 with no cognitive disability ( Aspergers)

    17. Re:Godsend by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      No, Asperger's is a diagnosis for high functioning individuals, so having Asperger's would not prevent you from saying you have Asperger's. The reason that claiming to have Asperger's can be an indicator against having Asperger's is that someone with Asperger's has probably been ostracized enough that they don't always treat it like a badge of honor.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    18. Re:Godsend by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      It is a Canada Revenue Agency Disability Tax Credit as Asperger's Syndrome is a recognized disability.

    19. Re:Godsend by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      If you don't mind me asking, how much did a diagnosis cost?

      My son was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome/High Functioning Autism a couple of years ago. As we were doing research about it, I realized all these books were talking about me also. I've always known I was "different", just not exactly how. (I always thought of it like everyone else got the How To Socialize Manual and someone forgot to give me my copy.) I'm relatively comfortable with the "self-diagnosed but very likely Aspie" label mainly because money is tight and spending cash to get myself diagnosed when it won't help me (I already have my coping mechanisms in place) and won't help my son doesn't seem fiscally wise. If it didn't cost much, though, I might consider it just so I could definitely say Asperger's without having to preface it with "no official diagnosis."

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    20. Re:Godsend by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Autism has also probably been with us for a very long time too, and if it's actually present in mice, it would have been with us MUCH longer than centuries.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    21. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Autism is very rarely the only thing someone on the spectrum has. Anxiety, avoidancy, depression, and various other disorders are often co-morbid. This is nothing more than privileged denialism.

    22. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do I need to point out that when he finds himself in these situations it's because of heightened cellular stress? The adrenaline and all that-- his neurons are excited in an abnormal way. Or did you think he misinterpreted "stress" as a cognitive state?

    23. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I fail to see where the poster indicated they were self diagnosed.

      "If you are self aware enough to think that you have Asperger's Syndrome, then you don't."

      Don't confuse autism with aspergers. Asperger's is by definition "high-functioning". So yes, there are plenty
      of people with Aspergers that know they have it. Likewise there are plenty of low functioning autistic and
      down syndrom people who also are self aware enough to understand their disorder.

    24. Re:Godsend by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sorry but you theories do not match my experience.

      "Aspergers Syndrome" diagnosis is clearly out of control when someone with some nervousness or anxiety is suddenly a "syndrome".

      You also clearly do not understand the difference between a behaviour and a disorder. A disorder is a behaviour that gets in the way of doing things you want to do. Nervousness is a behaviour. Nervousness to the point that one can not carry on a conversation is a disability. You also have no idea what I experience. A barely controllable rage response in the face of a minor confrontation is far from "some nervousness or anxiety".

      You remove the fear, you remove your "abilities" too.

      I disagree. I use many of my "different" talents when I feel no anxiety at all. In fact, my ability to find and follow detail works best when I am calm.

      They have nothing to do with Autism.

      Anxiety is one small part of Autism and may or may not be present in all people on the Autism spectrum. There are may other symptoms and behaviours that make up the diagnosis.

    25. Re:Godsend by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you don't mind me asking, how much did a diagnosis cost?

      I live in Canada so the diagnosis was free. It just took time to find a specialist.

      As we were doing research about it, I realized all these books were talking about me also.

      Aspergers has a strong genetic link. This has been a barrier to diagnosis as many parents have been reluctant to admit they are "different" too.

    26. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > get a tax deduction due to it.
      So all I need to do is start stuffing my pockets with spaghetti for a tax break?

    27. Re:Godsend by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      I live in Canada so the diagnosis was free. It just took time to find a specialist.

      Thanks. Sadly, it would likely cost me quite a bit to get a diagnosis. (Insurance probably wouldn't cover it.) So I'll have to remain an "undiagnosed Aspie" for awhile longer.

      Aspergers has a strong genetic link. This has been a barrier to diagnosis as many parents have been reluctant to admit they are "different" too.

      Even before my son's diagnosis, I knew that he was very much like me. (I often call him my mini-me... though he's not so mini anymore.) After the diagnosis, I was able to use some of the coping mechanisms that I figured out (without, at the time, even knowing what Asperger's/Autism was) to help my son. For example, when my son's brain was going a mile a minute and he couldn't stop talking. We'd tell him to be quiet, but he could only keep it in for so long before bursting with more information/descriptions of whatever he was focused on. I realized (from my own experience) that he felt compelled to finish his story no matter how long it was. So I told him to finish it in his head, not out his mouth. All of a sudden, he was quiet and my wife looked at me like I was a wizard.

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    28. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chill out dude, it's not that important!

    29. Re:Godsend by Zynder · · Score: 1

      Yep, just like we subsidize you falling off a building and breaking your back, or getting your legs chopped off, or any number of just plain crazy people. This is what disability was made for since people like you would let them die in the streets.

    30. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As someone with Aspergers Syndrome this would be a godsend for me. There are many times where my adrenaline level is far above what is needed for the situation. It is extremely frustrating when most of my body is in full fight/flight response and there is a small voice in the back of my head saying "chill out dude, it's not that important". The problem is that the adrenal response usually overrides the cognitive response and bad things happen.

      I just hope it does not impact the good things about autism such as the heightened ability to find and keep track of details.

      propranolol low dose might help with those adrenaline spikes

    31. Re:Godsend by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      he felt compelled to finish his story no matter how long it was

      That is generally called "closing a file" and is something that hs to be done. I too use my "inner voice" to finish things.

    32. Re:Godsend by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
      There are many times where my adrenaline level is far above what is needed for the situation.

      And you already have the self-control of an adult. It's worse for kids, who would like to play with others, but can't because of their tendency to throw incredible tantrums (a very common autistic stress response) over seemingly little things.

      Our son (diagnosed as autistic) started asking why he doesn't get invited to playdates or birthday parties, unlike his sister. I almost cried. He's starting to realize there's something "wrong" with him, that he'd like to interact with others, but can't.

    33. Re:Godsend by Megol · · Score: 1

      So you think it is a label for "high functioning individuals" and should be "a badge of honor"?

      I'm sorry to break this to you but most high functioning individuals doesn't have Aspergers and it is a diagnosis of a in many cases severe condition leading to social problems and depression. Humans are social animals and that includes those with Aspergers too.

      Self diagnosed (or quack diagnosed - there are a lot of that too) delusional Internet warriors aside anything that can help those truly suffering from this condition is a good thing.

    34. Re:Godsend by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      So you think it is a label for "high functioning individuals"

      It is a label that excludes below average intelligence, and is a similar yet distinct diagnosis from high-functioning autism (at least prior to the latest DSM). How much it affects their lives depends upon the individual and the severity of their case as well as the degree of compassion and understanding of those around them and how early they are taught ways to understand and adapt. But the relevant point would be that in many cases, people with Asperger's can be aware that they have Asperger's.

      and should be "a badge of honor"?

      No, I said that it's not worn as a badge of honor by most individuals that have Asperger's. By that, I meant that people who actually have Asperger's probably aren't going to advertise it, since it is likely a subject that has involved a great deal of pain, shame, and/or patronizing pity. In other words, people who actually have Asperger's typically aren't going to brag to every corner of the internet that they have Asperger's.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    35. Re:Godsend by Atrox666 · · Score: 2

      I don't know if I'd take this drug. I'm over 40 and have learned to manage the downsides. I've also learned to use the super powers associated with mild cases of ASD.
      I've had to learn to override the adrenal response which gives me the ability to act when most people just freeze up(e.g. artillery strike). I'm always having a stress reaction when I'm outside my own head so a little more doesn't really matter that much. I doubt it would fix my voice modulation (flat affect)and other mannerisms that have been ingrained. I wish you could try it before making it permanent.

    36. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How the heck do you diagnose Aspergers in mice..?

    37. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some high functioning individuals have asbergers, but also some others probably claim to have it as an excuse for behaving as an ass.

    38. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I thought I had Aspergers and when I eventually got to see the one person in the area qualified to diagnose it he gave me two intense hour long interviews and confirmed it. So it is possible to be correct if you self diagnose. (I self diagnosed my diabetes too, and was correct).

    39. Re:Godsend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find it helpful for people to know I have Aspergers. If they don't know they tend to assume there's something worse wrong with me such as I can't be trusted, or that I'm planning something nasty.

  6. As someone with autism, by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

    provided it works on people (which is a big if, given that mice can't be autistic; they can only either exhibit behavior that when displayed in a human would be considered autistic, or otherwise have brain structures similar to those of people with autism. Also keep in mind that neural correlates of anything, though, are still rather tricky in contemporary neuroscience), I would take it if it alleviated the symptoms I experience negatively. If it would reduce the stress and anxiety I experience simply being around people or in about fifteen other situations, I would take it in a heartbeat. If it stopped me from enjoying the things I enjoy to the extent that I enjoy them, I would never take it. But maybe that's obvious.

    If it let me correctly interpret what other people are thinking I would also take it.

    1. Re:As someone with autism, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My son has this diagnosis as well. I, myself, have a subset of the symptoms. I feel for you, and I know how lonely your life can be. It isn't fair.

    2. Re:As someone with autism, by radtea · · Score: 3, Informative

      From TFA: "Second, suramin is a poor drug choice for chronic use because of potentially toxic side effects that can occur with prolonged treatment."

      And from the Wikipedia page on the drug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suramin#Adverse_reactions):

      The most frequent adverse reactions are nausea and vomiting. About 90% of patients will get an urticarial rash that disappears in a few days without needing to stop treatment. There is a greater than 50% chance of adrenal cortical damage, but only a smaller proportion will require lifelong corticosteroid replacement. It is common for patients to get a tingling or crawling sensation of the skin with suramin. Suramin will cause clouding of the urine which is harmless: patients should be warned of this to avoid them becoming alarmed.

      Kidney damage and exfoliative dermatitis occur less commonly.

      Suramin has been applied clinically to HIV/AIDS patients resulting in a significant number of fatal occurrences and as a result the application of this molecule was abandoned for this condition.

      So while this is an important piece of work that identifies purine metabolism as a critical set of pathways related to ASD, it should be viewed primarily as a starting point for a more precisely targeted drug that will have the same effect on the pathways that matter without also messing up the ones that cause the side-effects.

      --
      Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
    3. Re:As someone with autism, by Prune · · Score: 1

      That still doesn't make it fair to us normals that you can get tax deductions in the US for carrying this diagnosis.

      --
      "Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
    4. Re:As someone with autism, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it let me correctly interpret what other people are thinking I would also take it.

      I heard about this Asperger thing (ASD, I know, I know...) and thought it might explain why I sometimes feel a stranger in society. Some internet reading and I realized that descriptions of Aspergers/Autism definitely do not apply to me. To be sure, I've discussed it with various professionals (including a clinical psychologist specializing in Autism). Definitely not ASD, not one would even take such a possibility seriously. Another friend of mine (thesis on educational psychology for her PhD, consults a lot of kids with learning problems including autism) had me do some psych test (and we've know each other for most of 2 decades) and reckons I have a higher than normal level of empathy (being more attuned to subtle signals of other people's emotions than most people).

      I'm mentioning all the above just to give some background to the following: I am still often completely stumped by people, having no idea whatsoever what they are thinking or how I should respond in any socially non-awkward manner (even a dishonest/acted reaction). I think I can relate in small part at least with your frustration, but perhaps you should not beat yourself up over it too much.

    5. Re:As someone with autism, by Zynder · · Score: 1

      This is what disability was made for. You wouldn't belittle blind folks or people with no legs would you? This is an officially recognized disability and therefore they are entitled to the benefits provided. You sound jelly. I guess you'd rather let the sick and the lame die in the streets wouldn't you?

    6. Re:As someone with autism, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How do you square what you wrote with the arrogant "autism rights" movement? Looks like aspies are trying to have their cake and eat it too.

  7. Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by mark-t · · Score: 0, Troll

    .... autism represents something that is somehow "wrong"?

    Okay, it's not neurotypical... but so fucking what?

    Can people just not fucking embrace the fact that every individual is unique and special, and stop trying to hunt for ways make every child born today into a carbon-copy of some theoretical "normal", when in actuality, that doesn't even exist in the first place?

    1. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Probably from people who need lifelong care to cope with their condition.

    2. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      When I have a teenaged nephew who can't form coherent sentences on a regular basis let alone ever live an independent life? Yeah, I think I get to represent his condition as something being wrong.
       
      That's fine if you have this condition (or whatever you'd like to call it) and you're OK with the quality of your life but don't be making that decision for others. I have a bad hip, do you think it would be "wrong" of me to condemn anyone else who has a bad hip who's ready to seek medical treatment to make their life's situation easier for them? Or how about someone with Parkinson's? What about someone who is Bipolar? Where do you get off making the decision for others as to when their life works for them?
       
      How about you stop trying to hunt for ways to make people who want to alter their life's condition via the use of medications seem like they're wrong for not embracing what makes them "unique and special"?

    3. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by jythie · · Score: 2

      There is a lot of grey area in between that has many ASD people worried. When the public face of autism awareness is often groups like Autism Speaks (which does not actually have any autistic leaders) that mostly exist to frighten parents into helping eradicate autism, non neurotypicals are not entirely out of line for worrying that if such treatments become possible people like them (many of whom are fully functioning members of society) might no longer exist due to parents not wanting their children to have this 'horrible life destroying condition'.

    4. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's one thing to be "unique".

      It's a completely different one to be SO "unique" that others shun you for being "weird", with you not even knowing WHY you are. And that you only get "weirder" if you try to mimic them to blend in somehow.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    5. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by mark-t · · Score: 0

      Where does anyone else get off saying that there must be something "wrong" with me because I have autism?

      You suggest that I shouldn't be making the decision for others... indeed, but bear in mind... neither should anyone else.

    6. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I have Asperger's Syndrome and "normal" is not my goal. In fact, if I was neurotypical I would not be as skilled a programmer. I would like to control the situations where the Asperger's gets in the way of doing something I want to do. Too many time by body has been in full fight/flight and a small voice in my mind has said "Chill out dude. It not that important". The fight response has lost me a few jobs. Controlling the extremes is far from being "normal".

    7. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      AGAIN, "When I have a teenaged nephew who can't form coherent sentences on a regular basis let alone ever live an independent life? Yeah, I think I get to represent his condition as something being wrong."
       
      You want to make an exception with what I said? Fine. But do it using the words I said and try to make it not seem like I didn't address the question at hand. If you can't debate on a reasonable level then STFU and take a hike.

    8. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      When did I suggest that it wasn't a good idea to have autism diagnosed? I most sincerely endorse diagnosis of it at the earliest possible opportunity, because knowing that much can change the entire world. I lived with undiagnosed autism for 30 years, and I can only guess at just how different my life could have been if it had been diagnosed when I was a child. According to nearly every adult that ever spoke with me, I was supposedly far above average in intelligence, but I dealt with no small amount of ostracization when I was a kid, which started with being called "stupid", and only got worse as I got older. To be perfectly honest, there were a lot of times while I was growing up, that I really wished I were more "normal"... but as an adult now, looking back on who I've become today, through it all... I wonder if I really had always just been like everybody else, if I would have been just as uncompassionate towards people who might be different from me as those who ridiculed me when I was growing up? If I had known when I was a child, at least I would have had an unshakable reason to understand why I was being seen as different.

      Regardless.... autism is part of what makes me the person I am today.... and I honestly don't think that there's any part of it that really ever needed to be "cured", nor do I think we should be looking for one for others.

    9. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      If you teenage nephew had no symptoms of autism but had the same IQ and generally the same mental capacity, how much would his quality of life really change? Autism often has company, especially in the most visible cases, and if you the symptoms that lower his QoL are the ones that are not Autism, making him no longer autistic is not going to solve the problem.

      Also, you seem to be more of the one pushing your agenda. He's not asking you to join his club, or to stop people from leaving his club, but rather, to leave it to the individual whether they are comfortable with being autistic. You make comparisons to Parkinson's and Bipolar, but others might compare it to being left-handed or homosexual. There are certainly QoL issues there as well, but the healthy among us tend to see the difficulties they face as being primarily issues of how our society is structured instead of an underlying inferiority.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    10. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      Not sure why you were modded as Troll. I agree with you with one caveat. The article mentions that this isn't a cure but can alleviate some symptoms. If it helps those on the far end of the Autism spectrum to function in society, then I can see it being useful. If someone wants to take it so they can not feel uneasy looking in people's eyes, though, they should just get some help developing a coping mechanism. (I look at people's noses or right behind their head. This way, it looks like I'm looking in their eyes without having to do so.)

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    11. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

      As the parent of a child with Autism, I always hate when I'm ready to buy something because it supports an Autism Charity, only to find out that one of the charity's platforms is "exposing the truth behind vaccines causing Autism."

      --
      My sci-fi novel, Ghost Thief, is now available from Amazon.com.
    12. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      To be blunt, a good portion of my team is probably to some degree "un-normal". At the very least they have severe shortcomings in the empathy department. And, believe it or not, I consider this an awesome trait.

      First, there is very, very little that could possibly break their cool. As long as you keep them from experiencing sensory overload, but that's a different matter. They are, though, absolutely immune to the "I am important" spiel. And that is crucial. I need people who do not cave in just because someone waves an important title in front of their nose. It is comforting to know that their response to "But I am the CEO!" is "Oh good, then it should be easy for you to kick off the policy change that allows you to do that".

      These people don't play the corporate game. They don't know how to play it and I'm GLAD that I have them. They follow the rules. TO THE LETTER. Because they know no other way to deal with them, they can't judge when to fudge, when to break and when to follow them. And I am in the fortunate situation that security is paramount here and that this allows me to protect them from self-absorbed board asshats.

      --
      We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
    13. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Autism" is not a binary issue, it's a spectrum. You may be able to function "good enough" to not use drugs with your disability, but that's not to say other may not have worse issues.

      It's all about weighing pros and cons, which is a subjective issue. Once an issue becomes life threatening, then pros and cons can become more objective, but never entirely so.

    14. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by mark-t · · Score: 1
      ...the healthy among us tend to see the difficulties they face as being primarily issues of how our society is structured instead of an underlying inferiority.

      QFT

    15. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Prune · · Score: 1

      > "if I was neurotypical I would not be as skilled a programmer" [citation needed]

      Post peer-reviewed, reproducible research backing up your anecdote, or I call BS. Only a small portion of good developers fall on the spectrum, and even if the incidence of ASD is greater among software developers than the general population, it's not that much of a difference, and, more importantly, still fails to back up your claim.

      --
      "Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
    16. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a lot of grey area in between that has many ASD people worried. When the public face of autism awareness is often groups like Autism Speaks (which does not actually have any autistic leaders) that mostly exist to frighten parents into helping eradicate autism, non neurotypicals are not entirely out of line for worrying that if such treatments become possible people like them (many of whom are fully functioning members of society) might no longer exist due to parents not wanting their children to have this 'horrible life destroying condition'.

      This is one of the reasons that I think putting Aspergers under the autism label is a bad idea. Autism Speaks takes its name from "speaking for those who
      can't speak". There is a HUGE difference between someone who can't talk, go to regular school, etc... and someone who has "autism tendencies"
      If you are a dependent, can't hold down a job, can't read/write, etc... then a drug to "cure" you is probably desired. If you're just "different" like most
      of the people on slashdot then we sure don't want to cure you. High functioning autistic people can be very insightful in ways neurotypical people can't.

    17. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

      I can't tell if you're joking by posting the same content twice, but if you are, well done, sir.

      --
      I want to delete my account but Slashdot doesn't allow it.
    18. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My son is autistic. His speech is severely delayed, he self-injures, is incapable of meaningful communication, and we seriously doubt he'll ever be able to live an independent life.

      If that's not something "wrong" with a person, I'm not sure what is.

    19. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      making him no longer autistic is not going to solve the problem.
       
      Care to cite? Show me your proof that this isn't a major stumbling block for the boy. Elsewise, shut your fucking sewer and understand that not everyone has the same values that you do.
       
        Also, you seem to be more of the one pushing your agenda. He's not asking you to join his club, or to stop people from leaving his club, but rather, to leave it to the individual whether they are comfortable with being autistic.
       
      And I said nothing contrary to that. If you think I did you better fucking quote me instead of making shit up.
       
        You make comparisons to Parkinson's and Bipolar, but others might compare it to being left-handed or homosexual.
       
      Not my problem and not relevant to the question in general. Total strawman.
       
        There are certainly QoL issues there as well, but the healthy among us tend to see the difficulties they face as being primarily issues of how our society is structured instead of an underlying inferiority.
       
      Well there appears to be a number of testimonials in this very thread from people who are in the same boat as the OP who have voiced a slightly different opinion of the situation. You're talking about holding back the winds with your hands and these people are just looking for a way to tolerate the wind a little better. Guess which one I see as being more practical and progressive?

    20. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps what's wrong isn't entirely him? I highly doubt he's actually incapable of meaningful communication, but rather that you're expecting him to learn communication in a particular way, and that way doesn't work for him. Your efforts may actually be contributing to his frustration and distress, and that's why he's self-injuring (it's a coping mechanism). One of the most frustrating things in the world is knowing that something is wrong (and even knowing what it is that's wrong, but not knowing what to do about it), knowing that you can't fix it on your own, but being unable to ask for help. And that's likely where he is.

      I think it might be worth reading this young man's story. He was diagnosed as low-functioning, but once he learned/found a way to communicate, it became obvious that not only did he not have a below-70 IQ, but was what's considered "gifted." He's looking forward to going off to college, now, after his parents used to worry what would happen to him after they died.

    21. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We have no doubt that he's intelligent, but like it or not - being unable to communicate in the way that the vast majority of humans do does count as having something wrong with you, especially if it means you'll never be able to function in society. We have certain standards and norms for human behavior, communication, and understanding, and he's very outside of them.

      I'm terribly sorry that it's so confusing and he can't understand it. I know it's not his fault, and I spend so much time trying to find ways to reach him and change how I communicate. I'm glad that he seems to be overall happy, but I still cry over how frustrated and locked out from the rest of the world he must feel - but those good feelings and sympathy don't make it any less of a disability.

    22. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by JimSadler · · Score: 1

      Regaining normal moods and behaviors is probably a lot more joyful than writing better code. You might even write better code if normalized. It is almost like someone who is blind or deaf pointing out that there are some benefits with their disabilities. They are not in a situation in which they can judge as they usually have no clue as to what they are missing.

    23. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by MildlyTangy · · Score: 1

      Where does anyone else get off saying that there must be something "wrong" with me because I have autism?

      If I have , does anybody have the right to say something is "wrong" with me?

      Yes. They do.

    24. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Care to cite? Show me your proof that this isn't a major stumbling block for the boy. Elsewise, shut your fucking sewer and understand that not everyone has the same values that you do.

      Read more carefully what I'm saying. There's an IF in there. IF there are other conditions that are responsible for lowering his QoL, THEN removing autism symptoms won't change those. If he has an IQ south of 70 and autism, and he no longer has autism for all intents and purposes, he still has an IQ south of 70, and that may be the real problem.

      Well there appears to be a number of testimonials in this very thread from people who are in the same boat as the OP who have voiced a slightly different opinion of the situation. You're talking about holding back the winds with your hands and these people are just looking for a way to tolerate the wind a little better. Guess which one I see as being more practical and progressive?

      I'm saying that the problem is that society is structured towards neurotypical mindsets. That doesn't mean the best solution is necessarily all going to be on the side of changing society. Left handed people often learn to do various tasks right-handed, and that is the most practical solution in many cases. Even if accommodations are made for them often, they will probably be in situations where said accommodations are not available (having known a few southpaw musicians, almost all of them who take it even kind of seriously can get by on right handed instruments) . However, understanding that left handed people are left handed and may have more difficulty learning to do things right handed makes that process a lot easier than assuming that the lefty just has poor motor skills. It also lets us know that trying to force a left handed person to be right handed is somewhat of a cruel action, and forcing someone who is gay to be straight is a very cruel action.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    25. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Likewise, someone who is not an Aspie is not in a situation where they could judge whether the benefits outweigh the costs, simply due to not having lived with things such as hyperfocus, higher functional processing abilities, or even simply being able to see the likely outcomes of decisions nearly instantaneously, even if it tends to come at the expense of being paralyzed towards figuring out what decisions it is that you're looking at.

      I happen to be one (and yes, not internet diagnosed, but through a real psychiatrist), and I can tell you that while there are indeed some parts which can be frustrating at times, I'm more than willing to put up with those frustrations when I see what they allow for me to do, especially when I can see what being normal results in for other people.

      You also fail to realize that people who do experience this do tend to go through periods of normalcy as well, so comparing it to being blind or deaf can be rather insulting, since while there are times where I do miss out on social clues from my brain overfiring, I do tend to be able to do something about it later on once I can actually process all of the information which is being dumped into my brain during these episodes, which can last for months at a time.

      And while there are some common traits that nearly everyone share who have this "disorder" as well, many people also seem to forget about the part where this tends to be a compound problem composed of many different disorders, and that Aspergers (well, Autism as well, since DSM-5), is usually just the umbrella term used, and that there are other core problems going on as well. For instance, I experience dysnomia (difficulty with names, semantic meanings of words, and even sensory modality, to where you might be able to describe what you heard, but not be able to connect that with what you're seeing), alexithymia (emotional recognition), hypersensitivity to sensory stimulus (some are hyposensitive), and when things are really bad, I even have difficulty in defining the lines between myself and the groups of people I'm involved with, which could sometimes be mistaken for consciously trying to be altruistic, when the real issue is failing to be able to identify the boundaries between where I exist as an individual, and someone else exists as a separate acting entity. But just because that's my experience then doesn't mean that another Aspie has the exact same issues. In fact, while I am in fact an Aspie, I'm probably rather rare overall, in that outside of experiencing these issues from time to time, I'm rather well off working through social cues, to where I was able to avoid detection until my 20's, since I was able to, for the most part, continue on with a rather normal life without outside intervention, and juggle many situations which others with the same disorder have a rather hard time working through themselves.

      So yeah, while there are times where I wish that I could have better control over when episodes happen where I wall myself off so that I could make sure that things don't fall apart for me socially in the most inconvenient times, I really would not like to be cured from all of this because of how much I benefit from it all. Which likewise leads to me not liking advocacy groups like Cure Autism Now, who have a tendency to try to portray issues like Autism as always being a bad thing, when it's more like sickle cell anemia, where in the right environment, you can be much better off with it, much like how sickle cell anemia is a huge boon in areas with large problems with malaria. Doesn't mean that there aren't going to be instances where it should get treated in order to get someone to be able to live a better quality of life, but that it really shouldn't be something which is determined by someone who is rather ignorant of what's going on and when it can be beneficial.

      In short, don't tell others what might make them more joyful when you don't really know what it is they are going through. For me, having to live in a state of normalcy all the time would be hell, and a huge step down from where I am now. And I'm sure I'm not the only Aspie who feels that way.

    26. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      Aspergers is under the autism label because a person with Aspergers is actually autistic. There are numerous things under ASD which are not autism, of course... but Aspergers is not one of them. Aspergers is realy just a high-functioning autism.

    27. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      I could not have said it better myself.

    28. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by mark-t · · Score: 1

      You expressed with considerably more grace and dignity (not to mention far less profanity) than what I could muster exactly the point that I was trying to say.

      Thank you.

    29. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Get your hip fixed and give me my meds. The tool who told you not to is a tool. And he is getting older by the minute too. At some point, he will need a walker, wheelchair, meds, hearing aids, reading glasses, and lots of crap just to keep his ticker going. Its a Republican thing to be young and 'I don't ever need health care'. When you get old, you might get crotchety, but the docs don't come to you: you wind up going to them. And they fix you and make your life better. Fuck this "embrace your uniqueness" shit.

    30. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

      For every feel-good article about autism there's a dozen real-life cases like yours.

      I wish you nothing but the best of luck.

    31. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Defining aspergers as a disease / disability / something unwanted is because... those in power want to be able to have power over you by means of mental manipulation. That doesn't make it just or right or even good.. just an example of human nature to strive to have power over our peers...

    32. Re:Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, this is as ignorant as it claims the parent is: People without ASD and who have not researched it thoroughly are in a poor position to say what the benefits (which much scientific literature does recognize as existing) are. Scientific literature also tends to show a correlation which indicates that these benefits are a part of autism which do not seem to appear in the neurotypical population.

      I would love to have both the benefits of manageable stress responses and the creative/pattern-finding insight that accompanies my unique mental state -- but if I have to choose one or the other, I will take my creativity with me to the grave. If normal stress reactions cost me my creativity, I will refuse treatment and slowly create everything I can. But if my pattern-finding, my creativity, can co-exist (through any combination of psychiatric and chemical treatment) with a more neurotypical stress response that lets me better integrate in my job, my schooling, and society as a whole, I welcome it.

      Sadly, one big problem we often seem to face is that artists are unstable or entirely outside of the realm of "normal," but many of them do suffer a loss of rational, creative capacity when chemically treated for their atypical mental behavior. I'll side with the creatives and the thinkers who have challenged established ideas and turned out to at least be more right than their forebears over the herd mentality, but I would love it, simply love it, if I could admit the truth to my family when something bad happens (say, failing a class at uni), without being terrified that they will just throw more logs onto the stress-fire that's burning inside of me, making it harder for me to get back to something near normal.

      I won't condemn anybody for seeking treatment, because I wish I could, but I can only just manage to balance the stress of working a single job -- and yet my mother wants me to find a second job because our household income is too low as a result of _her_ business not doing well. I can barely deal with the stress of leaving the house if it isn't for work or at least with family, and the idea of having a second job is, to me, the idea of throwing myself into a state of constant stress and eventual depression, or at least misery, because I fear that I'll never be able to balance my hobbies, the things I'm passionate about doing, against two jobs that I'm doing just to make ends meet.

      Maybe a medicine like this would help me balance two jobs -- like uni and a paying job -- and still have the time to decompress from all the stress I experience in those places. Maybe it wouldn't. But I don't want to be "normal" in all ways. I want to be myself, just able to do the things I want without being overwhelmed by a terror that leaves me incapable of doing anything useful towards my goals.

  8. Big problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There is a greater than 50% chance of adrenal cortical damage, but only a smaller proportion will require lifelong corticosteroid replacement.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suramin

    1. Re: Big problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      What if adrenal cortex damage is the mechanism of action and not a side effect? Overactive HPA axis does contribute to autism symptoms...

    2. Re: Big problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What if adrenal cortex damage is the mechanism of action and not a side effect? Overactive HPA axis does contribute to autism symptoms...

      And it takes an AC 3/4 down the page to bring out the real question. It reduces stress in cells and "one of the side effects is adrenal damage"
      Seems to me that adrenal damage might be the cause of reducing stress in the cells and/or it might be impossible to tease the two apart.

      **posting anonymous to preserve mod points. Other people need to mod the above post up too.

  9. Drug company CEOs are furious now. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    How did this happen? Which idiot directly tested a century old drug without making a cosmetic change, or at least a name change to make it patentable? Guys like this never think of broader implications of their work. Narrowly focused on useless things like welfare of the people or some such thing. Must have contracted a very severe case of anthropophilia. They should have thought about how it would impact the boni of pharma executives and they should be constantly asking themselves how we could make this year bonus bigger than last years for every executive. That is how we progress.

    Ask not what big pharama can do for you, ask what you can do for big pharma, said Kohn F Jennedy, don't ever forget that.

    --
    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
    1. Re:Drug company CEOs are furious now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Considering the very nasty side effects from this drug, I'm sure they'll be researching to find a similar drug that has the same positive effects without so many negative ones. Big pharma is perfectly safe. Your fears are unfounded.

  10. it's spelled 'knob'. by oneiros27 · · Score: 1

    n/t

    --
    Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
  11. Finally by Richy_T · · Score: 1

    the chill pill will actually be able to be taken.

  12. Does it come by WormholeFiend · · Score: 5, Funny

    in the form of a vaccine?

    1. Re:Does it come by OutLawSuit · · Score: 1

      Or the does the vaccine itself cancel out the effects of autism vaccine? Would it even be worth getting?

    2. Re:Does it come by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The drug per the weblink in the original article states that autism returns once the drug leaves the body. So it isn't permanent.

    3. Re:Does it come by ignavus · · Score: 1

      in the form of a vaccine?

      Vaccines cause neurotypicality - you heard it here first!

      --
      I am anarch of all I survey.
  13. paleonelithic? by davethomask · · Score: 0

    basically.. selfish gene richard dawkins meets the origin of life? I think autism might be caused by a mild brain damage within science. Humbug!

  14. One simple trick, doctors hate him... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also, I read it as Saruman... is there a cure for dyslexia?

  15. This is crap... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let me know when Dr. Oz (TM) gives it his approval as a miracle cure (TM).

    The guy is a fraud. He has found 16 weight loss miracles so far:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/ro...

    You might think that the first 5 miracles would suffice.

  16. Where the fuck did people get the idea that.... by Prune · · Score: 1

    Funny enough the supporters of "deaf culture" made the same noise as cochlear implants became more common. And the same thing will happen to the "autism rights" imbeciles that is now happening to the "deaf culture" ones--slow but sure annihilation. Good riddance, I say.

    --
    "Politicians and diapers must be changed often, and for the same reason."
  17. What country? by tepples · · Score: 1

    I was diagnosed by a psychologist and expert in Autism and Asperger's Syndrome. I actually get a tax deduction due to it.

    I know there are a few other Slashdot readers with a professional diagnosis of AS. What country gives out such tax deductions?

    1. Re:What country? by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Canada or any country where Asperger's Syndrome is a recognized disability. To get a tax deduction the disability need only be a partial disability in that it has a significant impact on your life.

  18. On self-diagnosis: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems divided:
    1) Aspies mostly believes self-diagnosis is OK, even when properly diagnosed by professionals. That's probably the way they took the first step towards diagnosis after all. However, not everybody wants to be "tagged", for some future culling (history being the only evidence you need for that).

    2) Non-aspies thinks illogical thoughts as usual, lacking insight, intuition and reality-checks. However, they DO excel at patting eachother's backs and dissing everyone who is "different". Same old, same old.

    How anyone can be jealous on aspies are beyond me. If we're lucky we can socialize, but get very "hot" in the head quickly, and it always drains us of energy. In the worse cases, aspies can hardly function socially at all, as well as in life even.

    Btw, someone who self-diagnose are probably way more introspective and insightful than someone accepting any external advice without any discrimination and verification, and thus more mentally and physically healthy as a result.

    1. Re:On self-diagnosis: by Megol · · Score: 1

      It seems divided:
      1) Aspies mostly believes self-diagnosis is OK, even when properly diagnosed by professionals. That's probably the way they took the first step towards diagnosis after all. However, not everybody wants to be "tagged", for some future culling (history being the only evidence you need for that).

      You are more likely to be killed for your race, religion (or lack of), clothing, sex, sexual preferences or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time. But you keep worrying about those "aspie killers", LOL.

      2) Non-aspies thinks illogical thoughts as usual, lacking insight, intuition and reality-checks. However, they DO excel at patting eachother's backs and dissing everyone who is "different". Same old, same old.

      How anyone can be jealous on aspies are beyond me. If we're lucky we can socialize, but get very "hot" in the head quickly, and it always drains us of energy. In the worse cases, aspies can hardly function socially at all, as well as in life even.

      Btw, someone who self-diagnose are probably way more introspective and insightful than someone accepting any external advice without any discrimination and verification, and thus more mentally and physically healthy as a result.

      You can't like science with an attitude like that. No self diagnosis doesn't work like that, just like horoscopes seems to fit everyone there are a lot of diagnostics criteria someone not skilled in the area may think apply while someone with proper education knows doesn't. Self suggestion and the placebo effect (thinking something makes that something true - at least mentally) also applies. There's no joke that a lot of people gets discouraged from reading medical texts by their doctors as they begin to think the symptoms they read apply to them, this isn't including hypocondriacs which is an illness in itself.

      Just try to realize that humans (as all animals) are different from genetics, upbringing, environmental factors (leaded gasoline anyone?) and just simply chance. E.g. being creative or having social skills are partially "free" and partially something that can be trained.
      Most traits of individuals aren't and shouldn't be diagnosed as an illness, that includes the traits of most self-diagnosed people...

  19. To hold a job by tepples · · Score: 1

    People need to eat to live, and people need to get a job to eat. I've found that not enough employers understand how to make the most of an employee with noticeable autism symptoms.

    1. Re:To hold a job by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      And which party is in the wrong there?

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    2. Re:To hold a job by tepples · · Score: 1

      That depends on whether you think society has the humane responsibility to keep people who have been turned away from every job from turning to crime just to survive.

    3. Re:To hold a job by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      I was just thinking that if the employers learned how to make the most of autistic employees, the problem would be resolved.

      --
      This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
    4. Re:To hold a job by tepples · · Score: 1

      True. Both employees and employers need to be trained. In my country, this training comes through vocational rehabilitation agencies of the several states.

  20. Adrelanine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I control my adrenaline response with propranolol. Totally gets rid of that 0-60 in .5 seconds response to irritants that I used to have. I'm pretty mellow most of the time now.

  21. Maybe. by HiThere · · Score: 1

    There's a good chance you are correct, but don't wrap your life around it. This is evidence based on mice, and people are significantly different. Many things that work on mice don't work on people.

    Also, it's not certain that it would have precisely the effect that you are hoping for. It *might*.

    That said, check out the side effects of suramin, and *if* they aren't too bad you might see if you can get a doctor to prescribe some for "off label" use. Your insurance probably won't pay, but the patents have probably expired, so it might well be cheap enough to afford.

    --

    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  22. How USA differs from Canada by tepples · · Score: 1

    In the United States, my Asperger's diagnosis qualified me for vocational rehabilitation services from the state of Indiana, mostly assistance with job placement and interviews. But I'm not aware of any sort of tax deduction for having an impairment unless the impairment is severe enough to make the person unable to engage in "substantial gainful activity". Unless an individual is blind, the SSA defines SGA as an income close to the current poverty level.

    1. Re:How USA differs from Canada by jklovanc · · Score: 2

      There is the EITC.

      Earned Income Tax Credit EITC is available to disabled taxpayers as well as to the parents of a child with a disability.If you retired on disability, taxable benefits you receive under your employer’s disability retirement plan are considered earned income until you reach minimum retirement age. The EITC is a tax credit that not only reduces a taxpayer’s tax liability but may also result in a refund. Many working individuals with a disability who have no qualifying children, but are older than 25 and younger than 65 do -- in fact -- qualify for EITC. Additionally, if the taxpayer’s child is disabled, the age limitation for the EITC is waived. The EITC has no effect on certain public benefits. Any refund you receive because of the EITC will not be considered income when determining whether you are eligible for benefit programs such as Supplemental Security Income and Medicaid.

      Note the bolded sentence.

    2. Re:How USA differs from Canada by jklovanc · · Score: 1

      Here is a better link

    3. Re:How USA differs from Canada by tepples · · Score: 1

      I investigated further, and according to this page, what that sentence means is that "disability benefits" are considered earned income prior to age 65. But in order to treat disability benefits as earned income, you have to be eligible for disability benefits in the first place. And as I stated above, that means incapable of earning more than a poverty level income.

  23. that's a shame by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    Want to do a fun activity? Close your eyes and count to ten. By the time you get to 2, someone will have magically pulled a renewed 100 year old patent out of their ass so they can collect royalties and make it cost $1000 a dose instead of $10. Yay medical patents!

  24. Why fucking bother with the goddamned autistitards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why fucking bother with the goddamned autistitards?
    Why not let natural selection take its course instead?

    GO AHEAD FUCKING FLAME AWAY OR
    WASTE YOUR GODDAMNED MODPOINTS
    FUCKTARDED SHITDOT SHEEPLE!!!!

  25. any idea how this compares by publiclurker · · Score: 0

    to the millions of dollars spent on advertising a new drug?

  26. And Jenny McCarthy's mind is blown when... by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    ... it is revealed the cure for Autism is pure, undiluted Thimerosal.

  27. That's fantastic but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When will we get a drug that cures bitchiness?
    Now that would be a hit.

  28. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  29. Peer reviewed research on neuroatypical talent by tlambert · · Score: 4, Informative

    Not the original poster, but here you go...

    What aspects of autism predispose to talent?
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

    Talent in autism: hyper-systemizing, hyper-attention to detail and sensory hypersensitivity
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

    Enhanced perception in savant syndrome: patterns, structure and creativity.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

    The savant syndrome: intellectual impairment and exceptional skill.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

    Comparing the intelligence profiles of savant and nonsavant individuals with autistic disorder
    http://www.sciencedirect.com/s...

  30. scum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So basically you are profiting off of the disabled. Opportunist indeed. You sicken me.

  31. Obama by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Obama party obviously. Everything is his fault!

  32. Corrected? You insensitive cloth~! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Corrected? I dont need to be corrected. Please correct the insensitive non-autists you insensitive cloth. No more drama or you-cant-sing shows, no more toiletpaper rolls placed incorrectly, no more garbage on the street, no more ill designed tabloid covers, no more people crossing the street when its red, perfect order and symetry everywhere. I'm ready!

  33. Re:Why fucking bother with the goddamned autistita by Barryke · · Score: 1

    I agree why bother.
    Autists dont need to be corrected .. they'll outsmart, outperform and outbreed the non-autists anyway. Nature will run its course, natural selection ftw!
    Unless these non-autists get themselves corrected by medicine ofcourse..

    --
    Hivemind harvest in progress..
  34. ...50% chance of adrenal cortical damage... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suramin

    "...but only a smaller proportion will require lifelong corticosteroid replacement."

    Well that is reassuring.

  35. Stress response? by Ihlosi · · Score: 1
    Several seemingly unrelated drugs that reduce the stress response of neurons seem to help with social behavior in autistic people.

    Another one of these drugs is NAC (n-acetylcystein) which is sold as an OTC expectorant in some countries (not in the US for some reason):

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pu...

    1. Re:Stress response? by ToddInSF · · Score: 1

      NAC you can get from most health food stores and on-line; it's not regulated as a drug in the US.

  36. re: "Helicopter parenting" by patniemeyer · · Score: 1

    I had always misinterpreted the term "helicopter parenting" to mean the exact opposite of what it means: To me the thing that characterizes a helicopter is the fact that it can land and take off at arbitrary places... So I assumed that this mean a parent who drops in on their child (out of the blue) and then disappears... i.e. intermittent parenting. But apparently people think that helicopters can hover in one place for long periods of time and use it to mean the opposite - a parent who hangs around / hovers around their child too much. I have never gotten used to the term... It just strikes me as the wrong way to think about helicopters :)

  37. Re: "Helicopter parenting" by fractoid · · Score: 1

    Same... when I first heard the term I thought it was similar in meaning to "Seagull manager", but for parents. It does make sense when you see parents hanging around like a news chopper over a house fire, though.

    --
    Rampant carbon sequestration destroyed the Dinosaurs' tropical paradise. I'm here to help repair the damage.
  38. I need my pain by cyclomedia · · Score: 1

    Kirk: Damn it, Bones, you're a doctor. You know that pain and guilt can't be taken away with a wave of a magic wand. They're the things we carry with us, the things that make us who we are. If we lose them, we lose ourselves. I don't want my pain taken away! I need my pain!

    --
    If you don't risk failure you don't risk success.
  39. They made mice less cautious by JonathanHart · · Score: 1

    "Like children with autism, the mice born after these pregnancies were less social and did not seek novelty; they avoided unfamiliar mice and passed up the chance to explore new runs of a maze. In the 2013 paper, the researchers reported that these traits vanished after weekly injections of suramin begun when the mice were 6 weeks old (equivalent to 15-year-old humans)." Those are autism traits? Seems more like those are basic survival traits. Right? I mean you wouldn't want your kid hanging out with strangers and checking out every dark alley they come across.

  40. An important breakthrough!! by Optali · · Score: 1

    Finally the world will get rid of this horrible plague of mouse autism!!

    --
    -- 29A the number of the Beast
  41. Wild Guess by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This goes to show limitations in the mouse-specific experimental form of autism more than it ever gets used by humans.

  42. Re:Why fucking bother with the goddamned autistita by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree why bother.
    Autists dont need to be corrected .. they'll outsmart, outperform and outbreed the non-autists anyway. Nature will run its course, natural selection ftw!
    Unless these non-autists get themselves corrected by medicine ofcourse..

    If you mean as in outsmart and outperform in ways such as focusing all their attention on one part of an object resulting in weird sights such as spinning the wheel on a toy car over 9000 times? Then by all fucking means you have me. Face it, autistitards like Adam Lanza are worthless and are very stupid. When their obsessions, much like that autistitard Adam Lanza, turn to guns and violence then they become very dangerous. The autistitard gene needs to be weeded from the gene pool.