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Prisoners Freed After Cops Struggle With New Records Software

itwbennett writes Police in Dallas are scrambling after difficulties using a new records management system caused more than 20 jail inmates, including a number of people charged with violent crimes, to be set free. The prisoners were able to get out of jail because police officers struggling to learn the new system didn't file cases on them within three days, as required by law.

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  1. I'm sorry... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...I'm actually supposed to be getting *out* of prison.

    You're in the wrong line, dumbass! Let this dumbass through!

    1. Re:I'm sorry... by Thanshin · · Score: 2

      Idiocracy was closer, but Monopoly predicted this first.

    2. Re:I'm sorry... by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 2

      Oh, please.

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    3. Re:I'm sorry... by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      I always interpreted that card as 'use your vast wealth, skilled lawyers and political connections to weasel your way out of court.'

    4. Re:I'm sorry... by Barny · · Score: 2

      Ah, no. Freedom.

      Eh, freedom for me. They said I hadn't done anything, so I could go free and live on an island somewhere.

      Naa, I'm only pulling your leg. It's crucifixion, really.

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  2. Management botched it again by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sounds like a typical bollix-up: the system was a drastic change from the existing one and difficult to use, and has performance problems on top of that, but management still sent it live and turned the old system off without making sure everyone had thorough training. On top of that they didn't have any extra resources on hand to help with the extra workload as people learned the new program on the job and didn't have anybody familiar with the program on hand to help the users. End result: the entirely predictable train wreck occurred. But of course the management responsible for this will never be held accountable for it. Instead the blame will be put on "the software", instead of the management who signed off on the software being acceptable when it manifestly was not.

    1. Re:Management botched it again by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The new platform is made by Intergraph, an Alabama company, according to a report this week in the Dallas Morning News.

      An Alabama company? I guess that's what happens when your Excel programmers aren't paid the market rate.

    2. Re:Management botched it again by ruir · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Users problems or more probably passive-agressive resistance. People are not as dumb as they pretend to be. They quickly figure out if there are "problems", that maybe they will fall back to the older, simpler methods quickly. Or bluntly put, we will follow the new orders from above exactly as we were told.

    3. Re:Management botched it again by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Interesting

      ...and turned the old system off without making sure...

      It's not like the previous system of oversized crayolas and little yellow sticky notes was much better than the new system. Under the old system, the 20 inmates would have probably been marked released by the system, but kept in jail indefinitely.

      Man Suing Dallas County Jail

      May 30th, 2007 | By admin | Category: Dallas County, In The News

      By Jack Fink, CBS 11

      A North Texas man is suing Dallas County and the maker of its jail computer system for violating his civil rights. He claims he was lost in the system for six days.

      Jim Muise credits a political leader from a foreign country for helping him get released and now he wants justice.

      Muise is an automotive journalist. His stay in the Dallas County Jail kicked his emotions into overdrive.

      “I felt like no one on the outside was able to hear me,” Muise said.

      Muise said he was falsely arrested outside a Dallas restaurant for disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.

      “I had people, friends of mine, associates of mine sitting outside the jail the morning after I was arrested willing to post the bond, and they couldn’t find me to say how much the bond was,” Muise said.

      His name was nowhere to be found in the computer system in February, 2005, a month after it had gone online.

      Muise, who is a Canadian citizen, got so desperate at one point he made a collect call to relatives in Halifax, Nova, Scotia. Luckily for him, they’re close family friends with a Canadian senator who in turned called the jail to help find Muise.

      Muise was released the next day. “If not for my family and other people working so hard for me, I might still be there,” he said.

      He is now suing the county and InfoIntegration, the company that installed the software.

      “They knew, or should have known, that if their system didn’t work properly, people’s civil rights would be violated,” Muise’s attorney said.

      The company hasn’t responded in court yet, but in a similar case, it denies the system was faulty and inaccurate.

      The county hasn’t filed a response in court either, but Commissioner John Wiley Price said the county has corrected the problems.

      “We know where people are in the system,” Commission Price said. “We know when they come into the system.”

      Muise wants someone held accountable. “Somebody’s got to stand-up for what goes on,” he said.

    4. Re:Management botched it again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      My guess is the management just dumped the software on them, and its sink or swim time for whoever is below management.

      They did that to me at an aerospace company I used to work for. ViewLogic. On a 386SX running Doublespace. I sank. Miserably.

      Up to that time, I was quite comfortable using my old DOS tools... Futurenet CAD and PADS PCB. I had spent several years with those and had been introduced to these tools by experienced people.

      The new ViewLogic was introduced by removing my old machine and bringing the new machine, along with some books, and a 40-hour charge number to cover training. I rapidly fell way behind, which was good reason for my dismissal. I could never get the hang of operating that thing when it was so underpowered I never knew if I was successful in selecting an item before doing something with it, and I would commonly do something to a previously selected item. Drove me nuts.

      However, this was an aerospace company... funded by the government, Its not like they were actually trying to retain anyone. It seemed every Thursday, someone got the ax. If one played his p's and q's right, he got promoted to management, where they were a bit more immune to the layoff and better paid too - and besides they did not have to deal with trying to build the thing they promised to the customer, however the management jobs were usually filled by someone coming in from another aerospace company - often another one that failed.

      We were a big company at the time... and since we attracted so many resumes, an engineer wasn't worth much. It looked to me as if we were a dime-a-dozen commodity brought in to sign the line marked "responsible engineer". Something to be soiled like toilet paper, then neatly flushed.

      I get the idea the same thing happened here. Whether its learning how to play a new musical instrument, learning a new language, getting the hang of a new neighborhood,,, well all these things take some time. My time constant for this is measured in years. Too long, I suppose.

      I have been using EAGLE for about a year now, started at 4.16, now at 6.5.0 , and am finally getting the hang of it when I know something has gone wrong and what to do about it. Yes, I did make a few bad PCB when I do not know what I am doing; I did it with PADS too... - acceptable when one is designing Arduino test boards, but that kind of ignorance is ill-advised when its going into military use.

      In the end, the big company failed too. We created a heckuva lot of good stuff, but did not do anything with it. Garmin and Magellan sold stuff based on our work and made money. We just committed big retirement plans to the executives and later sent them on their way on golden parachutes.

      After my experiences there, I still have an extreme distrust for men wearing suits.

    5. Re:Management botched it again by AthanasiusKircher · · Score: 2

      Perhaps this could be the origin of a new legal platitude:

      'Tis better that 20 guilty persons are freed by a computer error (or computer operator error) than that one innocent person is kept in jail indefinitely by a computer error.

      (Doesn't quite have the same ring...)

    6. Re:Management botched it again by houghi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Still a management problem. At one company where I worked they did it the correct way. First and foremost we added the end users into the whole project. This was asking them what they wanted to improve from the current system. Next we listend to them and saw that we implemented what they needed (not always what they wanted).

      We assigned key users (not supervisors or managers) from those endusers.

      We then kept them in the team for the whole development running. We knew upfront that some changes would be made. Things that were requested before would be unwanted afterwards.

      When the project was aout to be deliverd, we obviously included them in the testing on the floor. We even used those people when explaining it to THEIR cow orkers as ambasadors.
      This not only because they would be much better able to explain what the advantages were and how to do things faster because they knew boththe old and the new system. Not only that.

      The main reason was that it had become THEIR project. They were selling it to their collegues. It was not some far away CEO or COO deciding to change things for the sake of changing.

      If management does not factor in the human aspect, you are doomed to fail. Just saying "I know what is best for you." is not good enough.

      We had barely resistance when we launched as everybody already knew what the advantages (and disadvantages) were going to be. Indibviduals who were resiting were told to shut u by their collegues.

      As a result we were still on budget, under time with a high customer satisfaction and a great ROI. (for those of you who are manager) and less stress for us.

      So everybody won. Truth is that not many managers or management teams dare to do it this way. They rather listen to their supplier (e.g. IT) than their customer (e.g. person on the workfloor)

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  4. Re:This is what a right is by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's a good thing that the prisoners rights were respected, regardless of the problem being an IT one at root.
    It's a bad thing that an IT problem is causing cops to be unable to file paperwork that would result in proper processing of prisoners

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  5. Re:This is what a right is by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

    IT problems don't abridge that right. Police officers having a tough day don't abridge that right.

    No, but they should have a backup system to meet the 3 day requirement, regardless of any IT issues.

  6. Re:This is what a right is by Przemo-c · · Score: 2

    What's that mythycal backup thing you speak of.

  7. Re:This is what a right is by jd · · Score: 2

    You are correct that nothing abridges that right. (I take the highly deviant and unpopular line that rights are inalienable, that that is why we don't just call them permissions.)

    To say that it is an unmitigated good is, though, perhaps not a conclusion you can safely draw. It carries the implication that all contributing causes were also good, which is self-evidently false. The right is good. The requirement that things be properly documented is good. The staffing levels are bad (police officers should be providing the raw information, not reconstructing it to fit a specific system - have data entry specialists handle data entry). The system sounds very very bad - and unstable (who wants HAL running a criminal justice system?).

    Releasing the individuals was correct, but correct for the bad reason that every level of the system failed.

    That they couldn't manage in three days what police in Britain were once expected to do within 24 hours (now expanded to 48, as computer technology has been added, which seems kinda weird) shows that the wrong people are doing work that is wrong. If a manual system could do the job in one day, a computer-based one should be faster. Yes, there's more complex analysis to be done, but mass spectrometers can be thrown into the back of a van and give you results in minutes. DNA analysis for a tiny handful of markers (typically 12 for criminology, versus the 150 often needed for genealogy) can be done in an hour, tops. In-the-field DNA sequencers designed to look for specific information can also be thrown into said van.

    Actually searching and finding things is the slowest part, but you shouldn't be looking for evidence to convict someone, you should be looking for evidence in order to determine who it is who should be convicted. In that case, search and lab time should only ever precede an arrest, which means everything that matters will already be known and in the computer.

    In that case, the only new information is that surrounding the arrest and any supplemental information provided by the suspect. Confirming that supplemental data should not be relevant to the case, if the case warranted bringing the person in at that point. Even if it is, you're looking at three or four hours in parallel with the data entry. Raw data is raw data, that can be delivered live from a mobile lab or detective, so it's merely the time to get there, find the supplemental evidence and run the analysis.

    With a modern setup, the time between initial arrest and completing the filing should never exceed 6 hours. Three days is stupid.

    If six hours isn't enough time to do everything, do more (much, much more) beforehand and parallelize the shit out of everything after. If you don't have the money, find it. If necessary, reduce coverage until you can afford it, then demand taxes pay to cover everyone else correctly. If a couple of extra people get robbed or murdered, you've reduced false convictions by far more than that, so there's a net reduction in deprivation and death. You trade a negligible bit of extra crime in the streets for a massive reduction in crime by cops and/or in prisons. You get a miniscule dash of extra cynicism in the populace, but carve vast chunks of cynicism and contempt within the constabulary.

    Seems an acceptable price to pay in order to have acceptable cops and acceptable standards.

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  8. Re:This is what a right is by ruir · · Score: 2

    Well, they can hire you and you will work overtime for free. Between the work, coffee and donuts, they barely have time to file the reports, have day? You are assuming they just handle that case and nothing else.

  9. Re:This is what a right is by Neumann · · Score: 3, Funny

    It is what we in the business like to call requirements.

  10. Re:This is what a right is by MickLinux · · Score: 2

    What's to escalate? When the schedule flat out doesn't work, and your calls to customer service get handed over to a customer svc agent's voice mail, unless they want to talk to you, and they don't... that was what happened with us, I have no idea what happened with them... escalate doesn't help.

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  11. Re:This is what a right is by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 2

    > this being said, I can't really see filing the charges as being more cumbersome than doing the paperwork for letting them go.

    I'm afraid it's not uncommon, especially at first. Handwritten documents have room for describing circumstances, many automated systems do not, or lack the necessary categories and wind up with the documents miscategorized or misdirected when first used. It's certainly common with trouble ticket and budget systems: I'm facing several such cases right now.

  12. Colorado has about a 25% error rate by peter303 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    An audit found this after the murder of Corrections Chief a couple years ago by someone let out early. The error rate is mostly due the complexity of readjusting sentences for new infractions in prison and good behavior credit. The errors are both longer and shorter.

  13. Re:It's not an invalid situation... by gstoddart · · Score: 2

    If you deploy new software where it does not improve the user experience, then it's valid for the userbase to punish that move to a reasonable extent.

    This is what happens when you do this to your users instead of for your users.

    I have seen instances of IT saying "we're switching to this because it's cheaper/easier for us", and which left the business users completely screwed because IT didn't bother to find out how those systems were used, what depended on them, and what the business needs were.

    This sounds like it was deployed pretty poorly.

    And, for those of us who have worked in regulated industries ... how someone in law enforcement could do something like this is staggering.

    This sounds like an epic fail of UAT and actually being sure your software works as the vendor claims.

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  14. Re:Guantanamo by Anon-Admin · · Score: 2

    Really? Have you read the Constitution?

    your interpretation is wrong, the Constitution lays the foundation for the US Government and outlines restrictions on the government. It does not grant rights and it does not say "The government can not do this to American Citizens"

    For example, Amendment #1

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    I could list them all but basically it restricts the government from taking actions that violate our inalienable rights. Those are the ones that we are granted by our creator. Some one in government decided that they can violate those restrictions provided it is only done to people outside the US. In my opinion that is BULL SHIT!

  15. Re:Guantanamo by praxis · · Score: 2

    What are you even talking about? U.S. law has no effect on non-US citizens.

    The visitors to our country would disagree with you. I'm pretty sure that if you were shot and maimed by a legal tourist from abroad you would hope the US law applied to them. Or if you were t-boned by a legal tourist from abroad running a red light.