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Apple Kills Aperture, Says New Photos App Will Replace It

mpicpp (3454017) writes Apple told news website The Loop that it has decided to abandon Aperture, its professional photo-editing software application. "With the introduction of the new Photos app and iCloud Photo Library, enabling you to safely store all of your photos in iCloud and access them from anywhere, there will be no new development of Aperture," Apple said in a statement to The Loop. "When Photos for OS X ships next year, users will be able to migrate their existing Aperture libraries to Photos for OS." The new Photos app, which will debut with OS X Yosemite when it launches this fall, will also replace iPhoto. It promises to be more intuitive and user friendly, but as such, likely not as full featured as what Aperture currently offers.

214 comments

  1. Aperture-specific plugins... by chrysalis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Good news for people who spent money on plugins for Aperture.

    Having to buy Imagenomic's plugins again for Lightroom makes me super happy. Not.

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    1. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by jovius · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, Aperture doesn't stop functioning in an instant and plugins can still be developed for it. Plugin production will continue for some time because of the user base.

    2. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by BlackPignouf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What about RAW support for new cameras?
      Every Aperture user will have to change after X months.
      I'm lucky to be a Lightroom user, but I'd be really pissed if I had to change the software I use and love every day since 2007.
      It would be like having to learn and use Emacs after 10 years of vim.

    3. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      RAW support is independent from Aperture and is installed via mini-updates to the system.
      No change whatsoever. Aperture uses won't have to switch.

    4. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by MrL0G1C · · Score: 1

      Every Aperture user will have to change after X months.

      Is it going to stop working? I still use a version of paint shop pro from 1998!! (I'm not a graphics pro obviously) It still works fine on windows 7!

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    5. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      It might on newer versions of OS X. Microsoft is spending a lot of effort on backwards compatibility (to the point that Windows recognizes applications depending on bugs that have since been fixed and emulates the buggy behavior), whereas Apple indiscriminately fixes APIs, updates them, and removes legacy APIs. This is in particular the case for internal APIs (which is why they hit hard for that on the app stores). Aperture being a 1st party app makes use of internal APIs, and is very vulnerable to this. It'll probably work on Yosemite and then break. This of course just doesn't mean it won't continue to work on Yosemite, which will run emulated for many, many years in the future.

      TLDR: yes and no.

    6. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone who chose Aperture over Lightroom or any of the other competition (DxO, CaptureOne) deserves to learn a bit of a hard lesson for making a poor choice.

    7. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about RAW support for new cameras?
      Every Aperture user will have to change after X months.

      RAW image format support is built into OS X, not Aperture.

    8. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple. You need a clear defined road map for your products. This app although not used in many businesses is still a good example of the rug being pulled out from under people. At least Apple is starting to make some announcements ahead of time which is a slight improvement over features and functions just disappearing without notice.

    9. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by BitZtream · · Score: 3, Informative

      RAW support in Aperture is done via OS level filters, nothing Aperture specific. So there will be little effect on RAW support as RAW support is included in other apps which Apple is still supporting, like Preview a core application. You get RAW updates even without Aperture installed.

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    10. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Anyone who chose Aperture over Lightroom or any of the other competition (DxO, CaptureOne) deserves to learn a bit of a hard lesson for making a poor choice.

      Apple has a long and hallowed history of terminating products without warning in favor of inadequate replacements, or even no replacements at all — Hypercard, anyone? Anyone who chose Apple over any of the other competition (not for the OS itself, although they've certainly played fast and loose with backwards compatibility at times, at other times they've had it spot-on) deserves to learn a bit of a hard lesson for ignoring history.

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    11. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Informative

      Rule of thumb: if you are using Apple products, be sure to budget extra for version changes and compatibility issues, because that is the Apple way. Also, it cn be dangerous to skip versions (for example, the latest version of Pages won't open documents from Pages '08. If you don't buy the intermediate version, you're screwed).

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    12. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Emmm.. You mean like Google?

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Discontinued_Google_services

      http://www.wordstream.com/articles/google-failures-google-flops

      http://www.wordstream.com/blog/ws/2013/06/27/discontinued-google-products-services

    13. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Emmm.. You mean like Google?

      How much did you pay for those services?

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    14. Re: Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF does Google have to do with anything? The choice here was apple vs adobe.

    15. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by datapharmer · · Score: 1

      Not to be supportive of adobe per se (they are miserable too) but that is why dng was developed. Raw is very hard to support from an archival perspective.

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    16. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by jythie · · Score: 1

      It is questionable how much of a professional market exists for Aperture in the first place. It always had a bit of an odd niche since Adobe`s suite runs well on OSX.

    17. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My privacy is priceless. My privacy certainly costs more than 80 odd bucks.

    18. Re: Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google is Apple's main competitor these days. Not MS.

      Regarding Adobe : you might to check out which companies they bought and which pro apps been killed by Adobe.
      Like Freehand, FireWorks, Flex, the entire Creative Suite (now cloud and subscription only), ColdFusion, PageMaker, Ultra, and a bunch of other stuff.

      There is no company that doesn't discontinue products from time to time.

      That's why picking on Apple, and instead recommending its competitors for this reason alone is trollish.

    19. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      My privacy is priceless. My privacy certainly costs more than 80 odd bucks.

      I conclude that you therefore never made the trade to begin with, and were thus completely unaffected.

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    20. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're opening files from '08? Our software isn't designed for archeology.

        - Apple compatibility managers

    21. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Well, you sort-of do. Adobe doesn't provide raw updates for older versions of lightroom "for ever". I try to keep Lightroom up to date because it's fairly cost-effective -- my current problem is that I use "edit in Photoshop" occasionally for things Lightroom isn't that good at, and my copy of CS4 apparently doesn't support Nikon D610 raw format. I can't afford a more recent version right now, and the "cloud" version of Photoshop is out of the question, because I sometimes work in the field where there is no internet.

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    22. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      Every Aperture user will have to change after X months.

      Is it going to stop working? I still use a version of paint shop pro from 1998!! (I'm not a graphics pro obviously) It still works fine on windows 7!

      ...but you're using it to edit JPG images. Raw image formats are proprietary and change from vendor to vendor and camera to camera. For instance, I have an older Nikon body that is supported by very old versions of the Adobe suite, but my most recent body produces raw images that can only be opened by the most recent Adobe products. And not at all by Paint Shop Pro, I suspect.

      It's a racket. (Mutter...)

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    23. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It would be like having to learn and use Emacs after 10 years of vim.

      Liberating, you mean?

    24. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Excuse me? I can't hear you over the sound of all this money groaning under its own weight in my vault."

    25. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by sodul · · Score: 1

      Some were not free and yet pretty much killed as well when acquired by Google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

    26. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Some were not free and yet pretty much killed as well when acquired by Google: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...

      Well, there's one. And they almost certainly knew it would be discontinued before they agreed to sell it, so you get to blame the devs (who became google employees) at least as much as google itself.

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    27. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by penguinstorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The notion that I should budget "extra" for using Apple products is actually almost comical, in a world where Adobe has moved to a cloud model and eliminated the concept of software ownership from its business.

      Cloud apps make sense in scenarios with shared workflows and collaborative users. A single user application like Aperture/Lightroom...no.

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    28. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      What are you saying, that it's a better idea to budget extra for recurring cloud payments?

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    29. Re: Aperture-specific plugins... by Dahan · · Score: 2

      the "cloud" version of Photoshop is out of the question, because I sometimes work in the field where there is no internet.

      "Cloud" is just a marketing term that can mean a wide variety of things. In the case of Adobe Creative Cloud, it means you're licensed on a subscription basis, and need to connect to Adobe's servers periodically to verify that your subscription is still active. It doesn't mean you run Photoshop in a web browser--it's still installed on your hard drive like traditional programs. As the FAQ says, "No, the desktop applications in Creative Cloud, such as Photoshop and Illustrator, are installed directly on your computer, so you donâ(TM)t need an ongoing Internet connection to use them."

    30. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      my current problem is that I use "edit in Photoshop" occasionally for things Lightroom isn't that good at, and my copy of CS4 apparently doesn't support Nikon D610 raw format

      Can you not set Lightroom to pass the file to Photoshop in a specific format for external editing? I believe in either the Lightroom or catalog preferences you can specify tiff amongst others.

    31. Re: Aperture-specific plugins... by Kalriath · · Score: 3, Informative

      In all fairness, Adobe's "Creative Cloud" offering is actually more cost-effective than paying for Creative Suite was. At about $1000 for Photoshop Extended alone, plus $200 for Lightroom, total $1200. Assume you upgrade once every 3 years, that's $400 a year. Compare that to $10 a month for Photoshop CC and Lightroom CC - that's $120 a year. You can see the benefits.

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    32. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by exomondo · · Score: 1

      Emmm.. You mean like Google?

      Yes, very much like Google...but what's your point?

    33. Re: Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why picking on Apple, and instead recommending its competitors for this reason alone is trollish.

      awww....picking on poor apple in a story about apple killing off a product without pointing out all its competitors kill off products from time to time too, how mean of them! glad you're standing up for poor downtrodden apple!

    34. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by terjeber · · Score: 1

      I sometimes work in the field where there is no interne

      I suggest you read the information about Photoshop CC again. Seriously. You are worried about something you need not worry about. That is, unless you're you "work in the field" with no internet connection for more than a month. Not a lot of us do.

      Contrary to popular myth, the Adobe CC offering is a fantastic offering for most of Adobe's customers.

    35. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by terjeber · · Score: 1

      my current problem is that I use "edit in Photoshop" occasionally for things Lightroom isn't that good at, and my copy of CS4 apparently doesn't support Nikon D610 raw format

      When you "edit in" whatever it might be, Lightroom creates a TIFF file to edit, so RAW or no support for your camera is not an issue. You are covered, both on this issue and on the "cloud" issue.

    36. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Actually, you're budgeting less - because Creative Cloud is cheaper than paying for a CS upgrade annually.

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    37. Re: Aperture-specific plugins... by terjeber · · Score: 1

      Like .. Flex, the entire Creative Suite

      Time for you meds again

    38. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      my current problem is that I use "edit in Photoshop" occasionally for things Lightroom isn't that good at, and my copy of CS4 apparently doesn't support Nikon D610 raw format

      Can you not set Lightroom to pass the file to Photoshop in a specific format for external editing? I believe in either the Lightroom or catalog preferences you can specify tiff amongst others.

      That's a good point. I could export to something else and open with photoshop. Not jpg of course, but tiff might be appropriate. Will try that.

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    39. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by roc97007 · · Score: 1

      my current problem is that I use "edit in Photoshop" occasionally for things Lightroom isn't that good at, and my copy of CS4 apparently doesn't support Nikon D610 raw format

      When you "edit in" whatever it might be, Lightroom creates a TIFF file to edit, so RAW or no support for your camera is not an issue. You are covered, both on this issue and on the "cloud" issue.

      Cloud issues besides, your first point appears not to be true. When you "edit in photoshop", it makes a copy of your original file, and then tries to open photoshop using that file. I have two Nikon bodies, both FX, one older than the other. "edit in photoshop" works for photos taken by the older camera. "edit in photoshop" produces a blank page in photoshop for photos taken by the newer camera. This is demonstrable and consistent. If your version of photoshop doesn't support camera raw for that particular camera, it's a fail.

      Now, if you first export to something else, open photoshop and then open the file you exported, that might work. I'm currently experimenting with this. Obviously, exporting to jpg and then opening with photoshop works. But who wants to edit a jpg?

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    40. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever heard of Quark?

    41. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      If you upgrade your OS. Which brings you a lot more than RAW support. It also beings you massive incompatibility, new bugs, unfixed old bugs, aberrant behavior by programs that stuck to Apple's own dev guidelines like glue, and most recently, the world's most drag-assed USB support ever.

      You were already better off finding another way than Aperture, this just puts the icing on the cake.

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    42. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Anyone who chose Aperture over Lightroom or any of the other competition (DxO, CaptureOne) deserves to learn a bit of a hard lesson for making a poor choice.

      Certainly Adobe has never replaced a current product with a new one (eg Pagemaker and InDesign, or Bridge with Lightroom, in function anyway).

    43. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      It might on newer versions of OS X. Microsoft is spending a lot of effort on backwards compatibility

      So why does my company have to update software when we finally settle on a new Windows version? Especially professional software costing several $k?

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    44. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Plumpaquatsch · · Score: 1

      If you upgrade your OS. Which brings you a lot more than RAW support. It also beings you massive incompatibility, new bugs, unfixed old bugs, aberrant behavior by programs that stuck to Apple's own dev guidelines like glue, and most recently, the world's most drag-assed USB support ever.

      You were already better off finding another way than Aperture, this just puts the icing on the cake.

      Do yourself (and more importantly us) a favor and switch to Windows. Then go someplace else to whine about the consequences.

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    45. Re:Aperture-specific plugins... by Waccoon · · Score: 1

      I used to argue like this, too, but the rest of the world seems to be catching up to Apple's tactics real fast.

  2. Re:In addition... by calzones · · Score: 1, Interesting

    From what I've read, you'd be wrong about that. Link your source or I have to call misinformation / FUD on that one.

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  3. Re:In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Apple wants you to buy shower curtains. That's the only viable way for Aperture to grow an innovate.

  4. Final Cut? by SumDog · · Score: 1, Troll

    I stopped using iPhone years ago because of it's horrible UI and way of pulling everything into its ecosystem. I hated the fact that Lion removed both spaces and expose and replaces them with the mission control rubbish. And I really hated how Apple destroied their Final Cut product and told professional video editors to basically use their new iMovie pro.

    And yet people will tell you all the above is better, because they love Apple and can't see past that. It's like being with a women who started smoking cigarettes and puts on an extra 20kg. You still love her for some arbritrary reason of a memory of what she once was.

    1. Re:Final Cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .....I hope there's more than someone's weight that makes you enter a relationship with them.

    2. Re:Final Cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      >It's like being with a women who started smoking cigarettes and puts on an extra 20kg.

      You must be the most shallow man ever. Very shortsighted. HINT : you won't be looking better with passing years either.
      (and most people lose weight while smoking - due to inhibited appetite or due to cancer)

      > because of it's horrible UI

      As opposed to what? If you stopped using iOS years ago, you only know a years old GUI. Not the new one. At the time you stopped using iOS, there wasn't anything better. And don't say Android. Android GUI was a pile of shit years ago. It's much better now. But don't compare todays Android with a several year old iOS.

      > pulling everything into its ecosystem.

      That's how iOS works. It was a design choice.

      >Lion removed both spaces and expose and replaces them with the mission control rubbish

      Except that Mission control is both at the same time. No functionality lost.

      >And I really hated how Apple destroied their Final Cut product and told professional video editors to basically use their new iMovie pro.

      Yes, FCPX 1.0 was god awful. But over the course of several update iterations they added quite a lot back into FCPX. There are still some FCP7 features missing, granted. But it's not an iMovie Pro. It is used by pros.

    3. Re:Final Cut? by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      The removal of spaces was a totally idiotic move. The only reason I'm still using the new Apple OSes is because of TotalSpaces, which brings back the functionality.

    4. Re:Final Cut? by peragrin · · Score: 1

      um apple didn't remove spaces it is still there. I am using it now.

      The just merged the functionality into expose. I middle click my mouse up comes expose and I select the desktop I want. if you have an app running on one desktop and you are in another just click on the app in the dock it will take you right there.

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    5. Re:Final Cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course. The woman must be attractive (skinny is most guys' idea of attractive) as well as have a good personality, a good life, etc.

      Anyone who dates fat women is either A) low income, B) low self-confidence/self-esteem, C) A chubby chaser (maybe 1% of this category)

    6. Re:Final Cut? by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      Well obese is one thing but society's idea of thin is what I consider anorexic. Most of the supposed "beautiful" women on TV and Movies need to gain about 10 pounds or so, they look sickly. I don't want to be able to count every rib.

    7. Re:Final Cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Elipses. ...why? The weight issue was clearly portrayed as occuring after the relation ensued. So the hope would be that he doesn't exit the relationship Or rather, who gets the MBP after the split.

    8. Re:Final Cut? by Balthisar · · Score: 1

      And it still works well with a keyboard. The only thing missing is a two dimensional grid, though.

      I love full screen and spaces, and my mind handles the layout perfectly. I want to be able to have left-right orientation of major apps, and up-down orientation of the apps I'm using the support. Thus a 2D grid instead of the currently 1D line we have.

      For example: I like Parallels to be far off to the right of my desktop. XCode to the left of my Desktop. OneNote under XCode. PHPStorm to the left of XCode. Photoshop under PHPStorm. Chrome to the immediate right of the desktop. Safari under it (sometimes I need Safari). In 1D, these are all spread out and it's too far to move.

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    9. Re:Final Cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      .....I hope there's more than someone's weight that makes you enter a relationship with them.

      Boobs.

    10. Re: Final Cut? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agree with most of your points, however considering that I did throw FCPX into IDA Pro when it came out to see what it was doing, I can state with authority that it *is* or iMovie Pro. It may now be iMovie Super Pro, but it's iMovie roots are extremely obvious.

    11. Re:Final Cut? by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Expose works fine under the new system hit F9. As for spaces you still have virtual desktops and the applications support them better. What's gotten worse? And In particular each physical display has its own set of virtual displays rather than having them span. That's an upgrade.

    12. Re:Final Cut? by umafuckit · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know it still does that but it doesn't have the 2D grid and that was key to the way I used spaces. I don't want to use the mouse and click on an application and have it take me to whatever space had that application. I want to navigate right away to my chosen space with the keyboard and just keep working. The new implementation just got in the way, because it was a single row only. I have 6 spaces and takes too much paging back and forth to go between them when there are 6 in a row. It's also harder to remember what's where on a 1x6 than a 2x3.

  5. /. must allow moderating of TFA by CaptainOfSpray · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "to safely store all of your photos in iCloud" Rated +5, Funny. I don't mean any specific criticism of iCloud, but ...for God's sake...the idea that anything at all is "safe" in the cloud...is hilariously wrong.

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    1. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not Happy here
      I like to take photos, lots of photos, and I'm happy with the way iPhoto can update my photo libraries across all my devices (3 macs, an ipad and an iphone) up to the last 1000 images
      This works for me although I wish it would also update the metadata like location and face etc much of which gets changed or updated after the photo is automatically uploaded to icloud.
      However
      I am not always in a position to access the internet
      and every download to my phone or ipad comes at a cost (mobile download caps)
      If every time i wanted to look at a picture or show someone a series of photos it was going to have to be downloaded, well i will transfer my whole picture library to another photo manager
      In Australia, my cable internet service is uncapped and relatively fast
      When I am in Thailand my ADSL internet service is less than ideal and can fluctuate wildly from acceptable speed to barely better than dial up
      and caps and limits make downloading/uploading photos all the time an unacceptable option

    2. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's exactly what the new Photos app is fixing. Instead of synchronizing the last 1000 photos, it keeps all photos in the cloud and synchronizes only the ones needed, much like iTunes match. You get thumbs of all and automatic download and caching of the ones you use. I don't know about meta-data, but using the reversed paradigm of the new app, it would make sense to have that info in the cloud as well.

    3. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by queazocotal · · Score: 1

      Woo - apple fixes slow internet and data caps - magic!

    4. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "to safely store all of your photos in iCloud" Rated +5, Funny.

      I don't mean any specific criticism of iCloud, but ...for God's sake...the idea that anything at all is "safe" in the cloud...is hilariously wrong.

      Of course its safe, its watched over by the NSA, and fully sanctioned by the gov.

    5. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by amiga3D · · Score: 1, Informative

      Apple giveth and Apple taketh away. Blessed be the name of Apple.

    6. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      But are you happy with the way that iPhoto pulls all your images into one gigantic database, which (a) gradually swallows up your entire computer and (b) a corrupt library means you have lost ALL your images.

      Choosing a photo editor is not as simple as many in here think. It happens that Adobe is shooing its customers into the cloud even faster than Apple is. I went with the one Adobe product, Lightroom, that still runs on one's own computer.

    7. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ...the idea that anything at all is "safe" in the cloud...is hilariously wrong.

      Exactly. There's No Such Animal

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    8. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Having the "cloud to butt" chrome extension makes this entire conversation funny. Your comment especially so.

    9. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by penguinstorm · · Score: 1

      but ...for God's sake...the idea that anything at all is "safe" in the cloud...is hilariously wrong.

      The laughability of this depends entirely on what you are using the word "safe" to refer too.

      For the average consumer, their photos are "safe"r from accidental loss in most cloud storage tools than they are on a hard drive.

      If you're discussing the potential for having your photos stolen, that's an entirely different matter.

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    10. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um... right click the iPhoto Library > Show Package Contents. It's all there as plain files.

    11. Re:/. must allow moderating of TFA by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

      But are you happy with the way that iPhoto pulls all your images into one gigantic database, which (a) gradually swallows up your entire computer and (b) a corrupt library means you have lost ALL your images.

      Actually, the original photos are still fine even if the database is corrupted. The iPhoto database is just a folder, and inside are the main iPhoto database where it's indexed everything. Also inside it are your original photos, untouched, and I believe the modified ones.

      So no, your photos are always safe, you may lose the index and I believe option-clicking iPhoto will let you rebuild a corrupted database.

      Apple is a lot of things, but being completely idiotic isn't one of them.

  6. My plan is to wait and see by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

    I've been using Aperture since it first came out.I never liked how Lightroom worked - it certainly has powerful capabilities, but you have to do things exactly the way it wants you to do them. Aperture seemed better at getting out of my way.

    If the new Photos app doesn't have all of Aperture's tools, though, I may not have a choice. And, with Aperture gone, I imagine Lightroom will quickly switch to the subscription model Adobe is trying to force down our throats with all their other titles. But I'm going to wait and see what the new app is like before committing, one way or the other. Adobe's "double down on Lightroom" statement can be seen two ways - and one of them is they may be worried about what's coming.

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    1. Re:My plan is to wait and see by Going_Digital · · Score: 1

      This is why I won't be switching to Lightroom, there is no way I am going to rent software from Adobe. The worst thing about this is that although other packages are available it was Aperture that put price pressure on Adobe. With a major low cost competitor out of the frame we can guarantee that Adobe will increase prices and kick back and watch the money come in.

    2. Re:My plan is to wait and see by Drishmung · · Score: 3, Funny

      "More than any other time in history, mankind faces a crossroads. One path leads to despair and utter hopelessness. The other, to total extinction. Let us pray we have the wisdom to choose correctly."

      Woody Allen

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    3. Re:My plan is to wait and see by catmistake · · Score: 1

      And, with Aperture gone

      Ok, its another terrible idea from Apple made with absolutely no regard to their very supportive and loyal user base, but you're exaggerating tremendously.

      Let me remind you that, although most users seem to be compulsive in how they click "update" whenever there is one available, its is a really dumb thing to do blindly and unnecessary except for three reasons and only three reasons: 1) you have security concerns and the update patches security holes; 2) the update has bug fixes of bugs you keep bumping into 3) the update has new features that you want. If you update for any other reason, or for no reason, you should have your head examined.

      Abandoning development on Aperture does not mean that you can't continue to use it until the end of time. If you're happy with how it works now, rest assured, it will continue to work that way forever.

      So bash Apple when you get a chance, but ffs relax. Apple is not going to come into your computer and disable Aperture! Its going to keep working for you if its working for you now. And if you were hoping to use it, and are afraid it will disappear forever, well, again, relax, that is impossible. But if you'd like an alternative that has just as much functionality as Lightroom or Aperture, take a look at Darktable, which is Open Source and is not going anywhere.

    4. Re:My plan is to wait and see by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      Or Apple will push out their zero cost competitor. What would really stop Apple from stripping the best features from Aperture and putting them into iPhoto? TFA suggests that Aperture is being replaced, not discontinued.

    5. Re:My plan is to wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd agree if we were talking about any other ecosystem but Apple. Apple is perfectly willing to leave Aperture dependent on an obsolete OS, which is in turn dependent on an obsolete hardware revision. So as long as the hardware you own today still runs (and I would say it's also fair to add: still not absurdly slow), great. 10 years from now, you could easily find that the latest Mac hardware doesn't support any version of OSX that Aperture ran on, and then you're screwed.

    6. Re:My plan is to wait and see by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Informative

      "and are afraid it will disappear forever, well, again, relax, that is impossible"

      You are wrong. You see you cant buy a disc with aperture on it, only via the app store... and if they remove it from the app store you cant reinstall it when your hard drive crashes. Therefore they CAN make it disappear. All they have to do is wait a short few years for that hard drive to fail.

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    7. Re:My plan is to wait and see by SpankiMonki · · Score: 1

      This is why I won't be switching to Lightroom, there is no way I am going to rent software from Adobe.

      Lightroom can be purchased as a stand-alone product, and Adobe currently has no plans to move LR to CC.

    8. Re: My plan is to wait and see by Henriok · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Apple is not responsible for data you own. They have zero obligation to keep your version in the App Store after you purchased it. You have to keep backup of your own data. The version you bought will keep working on contemporary hardware and operating system indefinitely and Apple can't and won't change that. That's in stark contrast to the subscription models that Adobe and Microsoft are pushing at the moment. When you stop paying, the software will stop to work.

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    9. Re:My plan is to wait and see by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      The point was that Adobe has no plans currently to change because of Aperture's availability as a competitor. That could well change in which case Adobe will of course switch to a more lucrative (for them) plan.

    10. Re:My plan is to wait and see by SpankiMonki · · Score: 2

      The point was that Adobe has no plans currently to change because of Aperture's availability as a competitor.

      According to this, Adobe is "doubling down" on LR in response to Apple's decision.

      Of course, their VP of Products/Digital Imaging could be lying...but then his post on the Photoshop Blog would be pretty foolish, wouldn't it?

    11. Re: My plan is to wait and see by quetwo · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you can't GET a backup installer, if you bought from the App Store. Oh, and the most recent versions, you could ONLY buy from the App Store. As soon as Apple removes it from the store, you can't re-install. You are not only responsible for the data you own, but the installers you use -- and you can't get access to them in this case.

    12. Re: My plan is to wait and see by CBM · · Score: 1

      So as long as I don't upgrade my computer or my operating system, I can continue to use Aperture? Sounds like a great gift from Apple.

    13. Re: My plan is to wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your plain requires any software to be still working in 10 years you should rethink your plan.

    14. Re: My plan is to wait and see by tysonedwards · · Score: 1

      Aperture as with all other Mac App Store titles is a bundle that gets dropped into /Applications. If you are concerned, copy your Aperture.app bundle to an external hard drive and you're done.

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    15. Re: My plan is to wait and see by quetwo · · Score: 1

      Not quite. Tried it, but it is still linked back to the App Store. If you copy it to a computer that doesn't have a sub to the app in the App Store, it won't run. It wants you to login to the App Store. When it doesn't find it, it won't run.

    16. Re:My plan is to wait and see by jbolden · · Score: 1

      What would really stop Apple from stripping the best features from Aperture and putting them into iPhoto?

      Complexity. Aperture assume at least a highly interested amateur. iPhoto assumes a general users knowledge of photography. What's good for one type of user is often a negative for the other.

    17. Re:My plan is to wait and see by catmistake · · Score: 1

      I see. So if I sell you my Mac and all the software therein, that contains an Aperture install, you could never use it. And being as you post on Slashdot, you are very respectful of software licensing, and you've never heard of The Pirate Bay.

      You see you cant buy a disc with aperture on it,

      Oh? then wtf is this?

    18. Re: My plan is to wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right, which is the reason why people are upset that Aperture is no longer under development.

    19. Re: My plan is to wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I find your Mac skills lacking. This would not stop me. I, of course, would not have been so careless when installing it in the first place. However, I assure you, just like Apple Mac OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard, both client and server editions, which are no longer developed nor available from the App Store, are available for sale from the actual original Apple Store if you call them and request it, so too will Aperture be, as long as their stocks last, which could probably reach the sky if piled on top of each other. As long as Apple has something to actually sell you, they are happy to take your money. The sky has not fallen, and I bet you're a shit photographer, too. (Insult unnecessary, please don't take it personally, I could not help myself).

    20. Re: My plan is to wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, so long as you insist on not being clever and maintaining your "whoa! is me!" attitude.

    21. Re: My plan is to wait and see by tysonedwards · · Score: 1

      Your concern was with backing up the installer, which isn't a requirement.
      If you want to break the trivial DRM so that you don't need to sign in to your App Store account in the future, that is a completely different thing!
      The App contains a receipt file that links it to your App Store account. Sign in so that you can validate the receipt and you can run the app.
      I've personally tested some apps that have been pulled by Developers.

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    22. Re:My plan is to wait and see by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      Yeah but that's the thing. Everyone I've met who has a digital camera thinks they're a photographer, and hell, they WANT to be a photographer.

      But right now, you either use a dumbed down program like iPhoto, or a program like Lightroom / Aperture where you can use things like content aware fill, or any of the other magic goodies Adobe / Apple comes up with.

      I could see Apple, as a game changer, pull in all sorts of advanced features under one single umbrella. That way, you don't have to buy crazy expensive programs, and you can grow with your program. It'd work out quite brilliantly for Apple if they can pull it off.

    23. Re: My plan is to wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can copy Aperature.app and use it infinitely.

      If you aren't keeping a backup, that's your problem, not the rest of the world's.

    24. Re:My plan is to wait and see by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      A VP of a company lying? Could it be?

    25. Re:My plan is to wait and see by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I don't think there is anyway to have today's level of complexity in a general usage application. There is too much background required. But if Apple can offer the 15% of features that do 70% of the important work....

    26. Re: My plan is to wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do you mean backup installer? Apps in the mac app store are sandboxed bundles which don't install all over your system. Simply zipping the app will preserve it perfectly. What do you think happens when you use Time Machine? The apps are restored perfectly, no problem at all. It would be really bad for Apple if their own backup solution could not back your apps...

    27. Re:My plan is to wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was in this boat and i switched to Capture One Pro.

    28. Re: My plan is to wait and see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really need to ask yourself "Why am I upgrading?" Are there bugs? Security concerns? You want the new shiney features you'll never use? Seriously, an operating system that continues to work is never obsolete. There are servers still running SunOS, and that OS hasn't been available to the consumer for more than 15 years.

      Software developers like Microsoft, Apple and Adobe have really pulled a serious mind-job on most users. When there's an update available, bettern not be standing between them and the update button or you'll get flattened. And why? I think its mass mental illness. Software these days is so good, developers really have to be really clever to sell you again the same thing you already bought. Devs want the same money you paid a year or two ago for the same software today, and they want it periodically. But you DON'T HAVE TO UPDATE. Christ. Think for yourselves for a change. Question the reasons for updating. Usually, the desire for updating is held up as though by air and users update like they're idiot zombies. Please... don't be an idiot zombie. Just try it... try not updating software when there's an update available, and see for yourself, everything just keeps on working.

    29. Re: My plan is to wait and see by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      It's linked to an Apple ID via a certificate. Whether or not it's still in the app store is irrelevant.

    30. Re:My plan is to wait and see by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      OK but look at most DSLRs.

      Some people buy fancy cameras and never take them off of program mode.

      Others will eventually learn to do things like adjust shutter speed, f stop, iso, etc.

      But everyone I talk to wants to be a "photographer" and wants to know how to fiddle with a cameras settings. Same as every guitarist I know, whether or not they can play well, wants to be able to play songs well.

      With a camera, or a guitar, you can buy a decent model that will take you all the way (until you get really high end).

      With photo software, you don't have that option.

      If Apple did the Photos app thing right, they would be able to keep the advanced features and provide a seamless path from n00b to pro.

    31. Re: My plan is to wait and see by Henriok · · Score: 1

      Yes, this is how every piece of software ever written from every developer in history has ever worked.

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    32. Re:My plan is to wait and see by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I'm disagreeing that a noob can work a complex piece of software successful or would often want to. The people who buy DSLRs today are probably the 5% of people most interested in photography. That's already a pretty motivated group. Maybe not motivated enough to crack a book (though I don't understand why people selling a $500 camera can't have a website that teaches the basics well) but motivated. Most of Apple's customers are going to be substantially less motivated than the people who buy a DSLR and never take it of program.

      I think they can go noob to moderately interested amateur. But I think you are still overestimating the market.

      You are right though that good defaults allow for programs to work well with lots of features. Word (a rather complex program, that everyone knows how to use) being a great example.

    33. Re:My plan is to wait and see by KingOfBLASH · · Score: 1

      Just walk through any major city. I'd say the majority of tourists have giant cameras around their necks, and you can always spot some trying to take "artsy" shots from weird angles.

      Additionally, just about everyone I know who is not a serious amateur photographer like me (and some who are) looks at the pictures I've taken and ask for advice and tips.

      Photography has become a very mainstream hobby but software is either for n00bs or pros, with no gradual scale. If Apple could make the "Microsoft Word" of photo software, it'd be another feather in their cap.

    34. Re:My plan is to wait and see by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I think we agree on the strategy while disagreeing on the terminology. Using Word for example I'd consider it light to moderate. While typesetting programs (In Design), document management (Storage IQ)... are the professional versions of Word.

      As for your numbers DSLR sales in the USA are about 1.2m / year. There is less than you think.

    35. Re:My plan is to wait and see by Smurf · · Score: 1

      You see you cant buy a disc with aperture on it, only via the app store... and if they remove it from the app store you cant reinstall it when your hard drive crashes. Therefore they CAN make it disappear. All they have to do is wait a short few years for that hard drive to fail.

      No one is preventing you from backing up your apps. Why you refuse to do it is totally beyond me.

  7. Re:In addition... by itsdapead · · Score: 4, Informative

    Aperture won't run in Yosemite because Apple wants you to use the new app.

    Not according to this which claims "an Apple spokesman told them" (distinct lack of "horse's mouth" links, unfortunately) that it would be updated to run on Yosemite.

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  8. ... I need to filter out the apple posts... by Karmashock · · Score: 0

    Look, I don't mind getting significant updates on the apple world. But getting told that apple is dumping its current camera app for a similar camera app is not something I care about. Just me... I'm sure someone else does care. But I'd like to filter out these sort of minor updates about an operating system I don't care a great deal about.

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    1. Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    2. Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      thanks... how do I get to that page... besides your link of course. I can't seem to find it otherwise.

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    3. Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... by pauljlucas · · Score: 3, Informative

      Then why don't you just set your /. preferences so you don't get Apple stories and be done with it? Why are you telling us? Learn how to use your account preferences.

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    4. Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... by bmo · · Score: 1

      >hand held
      >pointed directly at filter
      >not satisfied

      I foed you for a reason. Thanks for reminding me.

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    5. Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      oh yeah? Enlighten me as to how I would do that because every time I've looked at it, I have been unable to find the setting.

      Some other person linked me to settings but I can't for the life of me find out how to get to that window on my own. Do you have to /save a list of URLs to modify your account or am I missing some links or buttons around here?

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    6. Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      That's mean... :(

      Your link helped but how do I get there without using that link? How do you navigate to that position without using the link to jump to that spot?

      As to foeing me... you don't know me and likely never will... and I don't know you and likely never will... so that really accomplishes nothing.

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    7. Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... by Eythian · · Score: 1

      Hover over your name, and click on 'Options' that appears in the dropdown.

      Or click on "Account" on the user info panel on the right, and poke through the options there. This tends to work better, I find the lightbox interface to be a bit buggy in general.

    8. Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... by pauljlucas · · Score: 1

      (your name) > Options > Exclusions. You should see something like this.

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    9. Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... by Karmashock · · Score: 1

      I can get to it through options but as you said that bugs out and I can't actually do anything in there. Nothing to click on or enter.

      Under account I don't see anything about exclusions.

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    10. Re:... I need to filter out the apple posts... by Eythian · · Score: 1

      There's a section 'Dynamic Index', but I just noticed that it also opens in the lightbox, which still has no obvious way to actually add a term. ...oh, maybe it's a data loading error. I poked around the tabs in the lightbox for a bit, and then it populated. It seems to be coming up empty otherwise though.

  9. Re: In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm currently enrolled in the Apple Dev program and Aperture is running in Yosemite. A few bugs, but nothing that is broken.

  10. Come on, folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apple knows what's good for you. It's the Apple way. Who are you to question Steve's wisdom? (Apple isn't a cult. It's a religion. Religions live on after their founder dies.)

    1. Re: Come on, folks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. Heaven forbids anyone actually likes Apple stuff. You are only allowed to hate it - as per /. protocol.
      Now on the other hand, if you love Google and hate Apple then and only then are you a good /.er. As we all know only people who unconditionally love Google and the prophets of Brother Footnibbler Stallman and Mon signore Fuck you Torvalds are the true intelligent, free thinkers. Let's all be the same in our non-conformistic opinion.

  11. Abandon large user base for no reason!! by catmistake · · Score: 1

    Well, Ive was one of the most outstanding executive officers this company's ever produced. He was brave, outstanding in every way. And he was a good man, too, humanitarian man, a man of wit and humor. He joined the Software Engineering Group. After that, his... uh... ideas... methods... became... unsound... unsound.

    Now he's crossed into California with this mountaineered army of his that... worship... the man... like a god, and follow every order, however ridiculous...

    ...very obviously, he has gone insane.

    click for multimedia

    Your mission is to proceed down the San Francisco Bay in a Blue Navy petrol boat, pick up Sir Ive's path at Cupertino, follow it, learn what you can along the way. When you find the officer, infiltrate his team by (ahem-hem) whatever means available, and terminate the executive's position.

    ...terminate the executive...

    ...terminate with extreme prejudice.

    1. Re:Abandon large user base for no reason!! by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      If only someone had terminated Mehdi Ali and Irving Gould.

    2. Re:Abandon large user base for no reason!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only telling an executive to clean out his desk had so much good drama, and didn't instead linger on for months and months, with parties and ass grabbinng and golden parachutes

  12. Obligatory... by Pseudonym · · Score: 0

    I punched those numbers into my calculator, it makes a happy face.

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  13. Re:In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    If you had actually posted the sources _you_ have read. then your request would be fair. right now you are just as misinforming as the parent. (or you could have asked for sources without claiming to have read different- but calling for sources by saying you read something different without providing the link(s) is plain insulting)

  14. Microsoft did exactly the same thing by evilsofa · · Score: 0

    If you think that Apple is trailblazing the neuterization of an in-house picture editor into a slide-show presenter, look at how MS transitioned what was Microsoft Digital Image in 2006 to Windows Photo Gallery 2012.

    I would guess that both Microsoft and Apple lost the ability to offer competent tech support for the complicated features of photo editors, and decided to let Adobe handle that.

    1. Re:Microsoft did exactly the same thing by Richard_at_work · · Score: 2

      Yes, one of the two major professional tools in the market place being discontinued for a yet-to-be-detailed replacement intended to cover both the prior professional market and the consumer market is indeed the same as Microsoft killing a product hardly anyone had heard of.

  15. Re: updated to run on Yosemite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your post makes no sense whatsoever. OSX Yosemite doesn't offer all features of OSX....What?

  16. Re:In addition... by PhunkySchtuff · · Score: 3, Informative

    Aperture won't currently run in Yosemite. Aperture will be updated to run under Yosemite but that's the last update it's going to get.
    http://arstechnica.com/apple/2...

  17. Re: In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Homophobic assholes are yourself are most likely homosexual themselves but with a problem to admit it.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/8772014/

    http://psychologytoday.com/blog/the-big-questions/201106/homophobic-men-most-aroused-gay-male-porn

    http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/

  18. It is a trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a trend in Apple about going mass market and streamlining software, and in their minds this means removing features for the sake of being 'family friendly'. This is happening at all levels from the OS itself (remember spaces?) to any Apple-brand apps (Final Cut, Aperture, iWorks). In some cases Apple will simply discontinue their software overnight and leave their users in the dust, but in other cases it is actually worse. The Pages desktop word processor was discontinued and substituted with a port of the iPhone version, which doesn't support any of the advanced features, with the whole operation was masqueraded as an 'upgrade'. The new app actively destroyed user documents it didn't understand (most of them), overwriting them by default (no 'save' operation required, simply opening a document would destroy it, keep in mind 'save' is regarded as an advanced operation now).

    You would expect a big corporation to be slow, clumsy but conservative and safe, with extremely long lines of support for their products. As you may remember, 'nobody gets fired for choosing IBM'. Well, Apple is slow and clumsy, but unpredictable and extremely unsafe. Betting your business in any kind of Apple hardware or software is an extremely stupid move. You should, and will be fired for choosing Apple.

    1. Re:It is a trend by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

      Apple won't be happy until they've reimplemented MS Bob but with a little more style.

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    2. Re:It is a trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There is a trend in Apple about going mass market and streamlining software, and in their minds this means removing features for the sake of being 'family friendly'. This is happening at all levels from the OS itself (remember spaces?) to any Apple-brand apps (Final Cut, Aperture, iWorks). In some cases Apple will simply discontinue their software overnight and leave their users in the dust, but in other cases it is actually worse. The Pages desktop word processor was discontinued and substituted with a port of the iPhone version, which doesn't support any of the advanced features, with the whole operation was masqueraded as an 'upgrade'. The new app actively destroyed user documents it didn't understand (most of them), overwriting them by default (no 'save' operation required, simply opening a document would destroy it, keep in mind 'save' is regarded as an advanced operation now).

      You would expect a big corporation to be slow, clumsy but conservative and safe, with extremely long lines of support for their products. As you may remember, 'nobody gets fired for choosing IBM'. Well, Apple is slow and clumsy, but unpredictable and extremely unsafe. Betting your business in any kind of Apple hardware or software is an extremely stupid move. You should, and will be fired for choosing Apple.

      There are many inaccuracies in this post.

      Not sure if uninformed or just trolling.

    3. Re:It is a trend by Anubis+IV · · Score: 1

      You got some stuff right, but you also loaded in a load of simply untrue stuff. Where to start?

      Aperture hadn't been updated since 2012. They merely announced that they won't be updating it any longer so that people know to not bother waiting around. It's been poorly supported from the start. No one was left in the dust here. Lightroom has been doing the same job better for years now.

      Spaces? It's still around as a part of the bigger Mission Control feature. They even made it more powerful than it used to be, since you can now control Spaces on a per-monitor basis, though they admittedly did remove the ability to configure them in a two-dimensional virtual space.

      With Pages (and other iWork apps), it auto-saves as you go along, as you said, but what you neglected to mention (or perhaps were unaware of) is that it auto-saves non-destructively. Even if you don't have Time Machine enabled, OS X keeps local backups of files that it auto-saves, allowing you to rollback to earlier versions at any time, just by clicking on the name in the title bar of the document's window. Until you actually go and explicitly save the file yourself, those auto-saves won't destroy anything, and even then, they generally won't immediately, since it'll hang onto them for awhile. Moreover, when the new versions of Pages, Keynote, and Numbers came out, Apple knew some users wouldn't like the "upgrade" (myself included), so they left the old versions installed, meaning that you can keep using those documents as you always have if that's what you want.

      And yeah, Apple has never been particularly friendly towards the enterprise. That hasn't changed. Their focus is consumers, for better or worse, and that means changing their software with changing expectations from consumers, who, as we all know, are a rather fickle bunch.

    4. Re:It is a trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (remember spaces?)

      Sure - I can remember control left/right arrow. Oh, there they are.

    5. Re:It is a trend by terjeber · · Score: 1

      And yeah, Apple has never been particularly friendly towards the enterprise

      They have not. What they used to be friendly towards was the creative professional though. With FCP X and now Aperture, they are stating loud and clear that they are no longer interested in supporting the creative professionals, but would rather cater to the mass-market dummy. That isn't a bad business decision as such. Clearly FCP X is easier to use than previous versions of FCP, and it is priced accordingly. It is also probably going to sell tons more than did the original FCP. Mass-market at the expense of the ones that used to keep Apple alive, the creative professional.

      With this new Apple attitude,if you are a creative professional, investing in Apple hardware or software would seem moronic and (professionally) suicidal.

    6. Re:It is a trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, just wow. I hope you're being paid well for your posts. Mostly because I'd almost rather see nasty competition than such willful ignorance.

    7. Re:It is a trend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The new app actively destroyed user documents it didn't understand (most of them), overwriting them by default (no 'save' operation required, simply opening a document would destroy it, keep in mind 'save' is regarded as an advanced operation now).

      You do realize that this fits the definition of hacking under the computer fraud and abuse act and is an actionable felony right?

  19. Killing Aperture? by Chas · · Score: 2

    My buddy GLaDOS would have some words with you.

    *Pulls out a portal gun*

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    1. Re:Killing Aperture? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wipe the cheeto crumbs from your beard fatty.

    2. Re:Killing Aperture? by Chas · · Score: 1

      Wipe the cheeto crumbs from your beard fatty.

      They're Doritos you insensitive clod!

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  20. App and Cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Two words that should send professional users running for cover.

    Given the size of raw images, the only way a cloud-based "app" could work with any speed would be if you kept your raw image on your device and the cloud only stored your editing diffs, which would be quick to download and apply to your image each time you opened the app. Of course, that negates the idea that "all your data belong to us" and means you have to carry all your raw images on all your devices to be able to access and edit them at whim.

    I can see the point of using a remote server to hold images that have been captured away from your workstationbut once they've been downloaded there, there's no reason why a remote server need be involved in any editing activity. Or that an editor should be called an "app".

    Buggerem, that's what I say!

    1. Re:App and Cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If you are working with raw images you are no longer in the market Apple is interested in.

    2. Re:App and Cloud by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 2

      If you are working with raw images you are no longer in the market Apple is interested in.

      Apparently.

    3. Re:App and Cloud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      App and Cloud? They're BAD?? but... but... they're buzzword compliant in the Enterprise!

  21. opensource it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aperture started as a stolen idea (if not source code). Rumour had it that Lighteoom was already into dev cycle when Apple bought at least a part of the team that was working in the project. Now could these two big corporations that were once great software development companies get their act together and donate a piece of software that they don't see any profit in? and no, I'm not planning to give 20y worth of photo memories to nobody's cloud!

    1. Re: opensource it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Aperture started as a stolen idea (if not source code).

      Source?
      Dox, pix or it didn't happen.

  22. They are following the app store model.... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

    How do you get to charge your customers for the same program again? You kill the app and re-release it as a "new product". Apple is just now realizing that the app store model doesn't keep the customer paying for upgrades.

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    1. Re:They are following the app store model.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      iPhoto is free and I suspect its replacement will be the same. Do you have a quote that the new Photos will be a paid app or is your comment just negative spin?

    2. Re:They are following the app store model.... by jo_ham · · Score: 0

      Great and incisive commentary... except that iPhoto and the replacement app that will be bundled with Yosemite are free.

      So, kill your pro app that costs money to force people buy a free app that comes with the OS (which is also free).

      The level if genius in your analysis must be beyond me.

    3. Re:They are following the app store model.... by mick129 · · Score: 1

      They're charging for cloud storage, not for the software. It's free software which comes with iOS and Mac OS X.

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  23. Check some Facts by molnarcs · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm a photographer - not really affected by the change, been using Lightroom for 3 years now. But before Aperture users panic, take a look at what Thom Hogan writes about the change (he's more or less an Apple insider when it comes to photography): http://www.dslrbodies.com/acce...

    1. Re:Check some Facts by SpankiMonki · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting read - thanks for the link. The author makes some compelling arguments, but there's little in the way of hard facts in that article.

      I'd also note that the author seems to have a bias against Adobe, as evidenced by his dismissive comments regarding Adobe's response to the Aperture news.

    2. Re:Check some Facts by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 2

      Well, it's mostly opinion, but while this user thinks there are MANY reasons to be dismissive of Adobe and Lightroom, the fact that Lightroom is monolithic isn't one of them--that's a pro, not a con. If I shoot a 5 shot HDR that's 90GB of RAW files before the working TIFF is generated. I'm going to store and manipulate them by pulling and pushing every byte to the cloud? Who's the winner there? Apple with more people paying for iCloud storage? Comcast and the cell phone carriers with data overages?
      This might be geared to a casual snapshotting, but the numbers don't add up to make it a substitute for a pro-level package. The serious/professional photographer is the loser here.

    3. Re:Check some Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I'm fairly Apple neutral, but I found that article painful to read. It reads as a rabid fanboy trying to twist publicly made statements to support his hopes for what this new app will be and convince himself and everyone else that this is going to be all peaches and sunshine, but with no facts to actually back that up.

      And as if that weren't enough, he then goes on to make snide remarks about Adobe based on a public statement they made, questioning the truth behind every sentence in the statement. The irony it seems is lost on him considering he takes the Apple statements as gospel and truths.

    4. Re:Check some Facts by dfghjk · · Score: 1

      I'm curious, what camera produces 18GB RAW images? Also, The "serious/professional photographer" doesn't do 5 shot HDR's and neither does Lightroom.

    5. Re:Check some Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you know nothing about "Serious" photography. 5 shot HDRs are pretty much the norm using exposure bracketing. And that's for a single frame picture. If you plan on stitching multiple frames for a larger HDR panorama (plenty of examples of "serious" photographers who do this on Flickr) you are looking at multiples of 5 shots!

    6. Re:Check some Facts by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Of course there are no 'hard facts' - nothing has happened yet and both Adobe and Apple are renown for not being especially forthcoming.

      Yes, Hogan (along with half the planet) doesn't like Adobe. He's been pretty negative about the whole Creative Clown, er Cloud, thing. But his underlying premise is interesting - that this is the first step in Apple rationalizing a photography workflow. It's not 'the' photography workflow and may not fit many professional / prosumer goals - but that doesn't appear to be Apples audience. Perhaps. Hard to say since, again, Apple isn't terribly forthcoming.

      But you have two big hitters in this space: Apple and Adobe. It will be interesting to see how this falls out. For my purposes, I've never liked Aperture / iPhoto. The workflow just doesn't fit with how I do things and isn't terribly flexible. I've actually enjoyed Creative Clown as I get to use After Effects and Illustrator for a perfectly reasonable price but YMMV, but I can't stand Lightroom. No matter, Adobe has recently started behaving better. You can now keep old versions running for as long as you like. You can download CS6 - forever. Yes, subscriptions are annoying but so is pretty much everything else these days.

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    7. Re:Check some Facts by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Stack 5 shots of a raw file from a D800 and you'll get to 2 GB, not quite 90 ... Still not what I'd like to push across my typical sucks-to-be-me broadband Internet connection.
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    8. Re:Check some Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thom Hogan is basically a fanboy who pretends to be an insider. If you're already on his side about photography nerd trends, he's great. Otherwise he's worthless.

    9. Re:Check some Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You confused GB with MB I think?
      Serious photographers don't do stitched panoramas, and HDR is a tacky thing rarely done by pros.
      Flickr, is this 2002? Serious photographers aren't on that site.

    10. Re:Check some Facts by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 2

      Sorry, brain fart. 18MB images. And you apparently don't know what serious/professional photographers do. There's more to HDR than creating garish colors...

    11. Re:Check some Facts by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Some telescopes are around that resolution or higher. Darpa started working on cameras that are mobile (can be mounted on a satellite) or airplane that are higher resolution (50 gigapixel) years ago and there certainly are working prototypes. Though I suspect he meant 18mb.

    12. Re:Check some Facts by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Lightroom doesn't have to keep track of multiple-shot HDR's. I have Photomatix set up as my second alternative editor in LR, to be called when needed. My first alternative editor is the last cloudless version of Photoshop.

    13. Re:Check some Facts by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      What you mean is that there was a brief kerfluffle circa 2010 about the early, clumsy use of HDR. Today it has settled down to being as much a professional technique as any other. It can be used for artistic effect or to bring life to cloudy and rainy dats.

      And if you have ever faced a canyon headwall that requires nine wide-angle shots to get the whole thing in, you're going to want the ability to compose a magnificent, 50GB stitched and blended image.

    14. Re:Check some Facts by terjeber · · Score: 1

      What Hogan writes is pure rubbish. Serious photographers, even the ones using Adobe CC, knows full well that there is no such thing as The Cloud when it comes to professional photography. I am just a cheerful enthusiast who have longs since letting my 5D, 6D and GH4 blast though pictures. I try to make them, not fire and forget. Still, my Lightroom library is the neighborhood og 500GB these days. That's not going into the cloud and onto "all my devices.

      Hogan should stop gulping down the cool aid and realize that Apple is slowly abandoning the market that once saved them, the creative professionals. Look at FCP. Look at Aperture. Creative professionals trusting their livelihood to Apple these days are suicidal nuts.Except for hardware of course. Apple knows hardware-

    15. Re:Check some Facts by terjeber · · Score: 1

      There is a "stopped" missing above...

    16. Re:Check some Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a photographer - not really affected by the change, been using Lightroom for 3 years now. But before Aperture users panic, take a look at what Thom Hogan writes about the change (he's more or less an Apple insider when it comes to photography): http://www.dslrbodies.com/acce...

      Thom has become a shill.

    17. Re:Check some Facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You never *need* to push your photos to iCloud. It is, however, an *option* should it work out for your particular use case.

  24. Re: In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  25. Re:In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Apple wants to dumb down the computer by replacing professional software with some cloud-based crap that "just works". Simple as that..

  26. Sheer insanity by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "With the introduction of the new Photos app and iCloud Photo Library, enabling you to safely store all of your photos in iCloud and access them from anywhere"

    I'm going to have my 70GB Aperture library in the cloud? I'm going to replicate a RAW workflow in the cloud? I've NEVER had a desire to access that on my iPhone, nor can I imagine anyone did. If one had the desire to export to iCloud they could; no one was forced to. There's got to be something else going on here that we're not privy to, but based on what I've heard they'd be better off selling the product to Nik/Google than letting it die (and trust me, that was hard to type).

    1. Re:Sheer insanity by quetwo · · Score: 2

      You only have a 70GB library? Hell, I usually shoot 30 - 90GB each and every shoot I do. And I'm probably on the low end in my studio...

    2. Re:Sheer insanity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Easy there, it's not the size of your library, but how you take pictures. ;)
      Seriously, you're approaching the filesizes equivalent to video folks. I've been photographing for over 10 years, and started out with film. I've spent 5 years as a tech specialist for ad/fashion photogs. Unless you're shooting a combination of stills and video on a digital back, your workflow is umm... bloated?

      When I shoot only one object - whether it' a keyboard or a human model ("talent") for packaging design - I capture around ~2.5 gb for 150-200 images. I delete all the test and bad images whenever I can on the set. Last thing I want is for me or someone else down the line to waste storage space on these images. Most of my time is spent setting up the light and directing the talent; if not, then I'm waiting for the MUA, stylists, casting agent, or art director to do their jobs. Actually taking photos consumes 15-30 minutes. I back up the photo session on 2 external HDs at the end of the day before leaving the set. Sure, HDs are inexpensive these days, but I leave previous jobs' images on them as a form of redundant backup for as long as possible.

      Then I have bank safety deposit I rent for $10/year and just deposit my other HDs every 3-4 weeks for redundancy. Screw the cloud.

      My previous life I shot for newspapers, but everything has .jpg back then and it didn't really matter since it was going to be printed on toilet paper at 4x8 inches @ 150dpi at most anyways.

      But I'm curious to learn what kind of subjects you photograph and how you manage your images?

    3. Re:Sheer insanity by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      90 GB per shoot? Hopefully you're doing 4K video, otherwise you need to work on shot discipline a bit. With that many files you'll never get out of the basement. It's just not healthy at all.

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    4. Re:Sheer insanity by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

      You only have a 70GB library? Hell, I usually shoot 30 - 90GB each and every shoot I do. And I'm probably on the low end in my studio...

      That's the working library size.

    5. Re:Sheer insanity by quetwo · · Score: 1

      I shoot live events. Typically concerts or conferences, but I've done weddings and other engagements like that as well. It is not unusual to snap between 1,200 shots and 1,800 shots in one evening between my three cameras. My 7Ds stores RAW files sized about 50MB or so each. My 5D-MK3 ends up somewhere in the 35-40MB range per shot. Heck, even my backup 60D takes 35MB RAWs.

      I don't delete shots that make my first pass. Blurry ones, or test shots usually get deleted but the rest stay. I edit the ones I feel the client want and store the rest. I've often come across clients that want a photo of person X or a particular moment in time that didn't make it through my 2nd pass, so the small cost of storage is worth it. I have a few 3TB drives that get put into storage after they are full.

    6. Re:Sheer insanity by quetwo · · Score: 1

      I usually only edit about 1/4 to 1/8 of the shots I take -- sometimes less depending on the client. Each one takes at most 5 minutes to edit -- usually closer to 2 minutes. Each day of shooting takes a day of editing. But RAW does chew up LOTS of space with a good camera.

    7. Re:Sheer insanity by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Yes, RAW does. A Nikon D800 RAW file is 36 MB or so. I use 16 GB cards in my cameras and really have trouble filling them in a whole day shooting. If you're shooting between 2 and 5 16 GB cards for still images on a daily you might want to review that. You're shooting too often. Slow down and look. Even if you're only editing 10% of that you have 9 GB of files - that's roughly 250 edited images on a daily basis.

      You'll never get out of the basement alive.

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    8. Re:Sheer insanity by quetwo · · Score: 4, Informative

      It all depends on what you are shooting. I'm paid to cover an event (concert, wedding, conference, etc), and don't second chances -- let alone much time to setup the shot -- so I take two or three exposures per "shot". It's easier to discard later than it is to miss the shot. When I shoot a concert, I'm shooting the entire 3 or 4 hours. A wedding, I'm shooting for usually a 12 hour period, at least. A conference may be over 4 days, and a runner's race might be over the course of a full day. Each event usually produces just as many shots.

      If I only was shooting a potted plant I might only need three exposures because I can carefully plan the shot, adjust the lighting, and edit the shot thoughtfully for an extended period of time. A senior photo shoot might only need 20 exposures. But when you are working events with moving lights, moving people, and instantly changing emotions, the difference between 1/3 of second between exposures can make the photo while the next one is too dark, missing the person, or doesn't show what I want it to show.

      I don't deal with film anymore. Space is cheap. Exposures only cost power. In this day and age there is no reason to not take too many photos and throw out or ignore the ones you don't want.

  27. Re: In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anti-homo sexual assholes are likely just assholes ;)

  28. Cloud as a requrement by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Sucks.. Cloud as an additional option, ok.

    So i assume that this new 'version' will be geared towards the home market and not professional. That seems to be the trend for apple.

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    1. Re:Cloud as a requrement by Kolisar · · Score: 1

      Sucks.. Cloud as an additional option, ok.

      I concur. I am very disappointed with the "Cloud" being forced upon Apple users. They recently backtracked and restored direct syncing of contacts and calendars, but have yet to restore direct syncing of notes.

      The "Cloud" as an option is fine, but not everyone wants to put all of their stuff online.

      If anyone from Apple reads /., PLEASE make retain local storage and syncing options for your users. Most people will opt of the "Cloud", the those who feel that local storage is better for their privacy and security will still be able to use Apple products.

  29. Re: In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think Apple is pushinh people to the cloud? What are you smoking?

    Apple is always the last company to do anything with the cloud. The new Photos app will definitely function offline.

    At WWDC they talked about storage limits for their cloud photo service, and there will not be a pricing tier with enough storage space for a typical aperture library. But there will be an import tool for aperture - that tells me this new app will need to support storing photos offline.

  30. Re: In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OMG! Please shot me for not recognising BlackAdder.

    HELP!!!!!

    I'm really a twat.

    Well, I have a cunning plan on how to correct my mistake. I will employ one million hamster in tiny wheels. And I will make run them real fast so that that time reverses and I can prevent myself from posting that posting.

    (Author of http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5339333&cid=47343927 begs for forgiveness)

  31. In Other News by Greyfox · · Score: 2

    Cave Johnson burns down Steve Jobs' house with lemons.

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  32. FREE app that doesn't exist MAY HAVE less features by gavron · · Score: 1

    So a FREE app (#1) for a small subset of people will soon be replaced by another FREE app (#2) for a small subset of people and the author thinks that #2 will have less features than #`1 but of course it will only affect a small subset of people.

    Well tea in China may get expensive next year too.

    Don't be beholden to one company, be it Apple, ChinaTeaCo, or anyone. Then you don't have to whine when one app you didn't pay a dollar for FREE app (#1 or #2) you don't feel like wadding up tissues and crying. Man up. Or woman up. Either way quit whining.

    Free market. Haven't heard about it? That's where you can go buy things not made by Apple. Then you're not beholden to their stupid movements, bowel or market.

    E

  33. Still Alive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't worry, I'm sure Aperture is "still alive" in certain virtual machines.

    It's a pity they killed it, just becase it did what id could, because it could.

    I heard they made a neat photo app, for the virtual machines that are still alive.

  34. "safely" and "cloud" in the same sentence? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, people... I'm signing off from humanity now. It's gone too far. People are just too stupid at this point. I shall no longer be with you mentally.

  35. Re:FREE app that doesn't exist MAY HAVE less featu by Rick+Zeman · · Score: 1

    So a FREE app (#1) for a small subset of people will soon be replaced by another FREE app (#2) for a small subset of people and the author thinks that #2 will have less features than #`1 but of course it will only affect a small subset of people./p>

    E

    Of course app #1 wasn't free....

  36. Re: updated to run on Yosemite by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That makes no sense

  37. Photo will be my new Aperture by shevegas · · Score: 1

    Aperture is fantastic software, adding a cloud backend will be awesome. I'm not an expert like you guys, I'm just a photojournalist who has been all digital since the NC2000e.

  38. what about Black Mesa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excellent, Apeture Science is taken care of. Now, friends, on to Black Mesa! Remember the Freeman!

  39. Privacy? In The Cloud? by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    So apple is retiring a photo editing software product and expects their customers to switch to their cloud photo editing service. They're replacing images stored locally with images stored externally.

    Ignoring Snowden and the NSA for the moment, let's look at LEGAL seizure of your pictures to be used as evidence by government agencies, in rule enforcement, investigation, and criminal prosecution.

    Not only are files under your physical control y'harder to get to physically than those transmitted over the Internet and stored in a vendor's server farm, they're also on better legal ground. The Supreme Court seems bent on treating electronic files, under your control, just like paper files locked in a safe at home. Just three days ago they ruled that police can't even search information stored on a cellpone carried by an arrestee without first coming up with probable cause and obtaining a warrant.

    The last I heard, though, they considered information you stored on some vendor's servers to have been disclosed - that you have "no expectation of privacy" with respect to it. The police can go fishing through it just by asking, without jepoardizing prosecutions that result from what they fiind. Even if the third party cloud service demands paperwork rather than just giving access, a company like Apple has far less interest in protecting your data from fishing expeditions than you do.

    Given the rat's nest of laws in the US, the prevalance of false or mistaken prosecutions, and the deliberate use of the legal and tax systems to punish those disliked by those in power (at all levels), I'd think nio sane person would put any personal information onto a cloud service (without at least encrypting it locally first with a key unknown to the service), let alone in a form that could be manipulated on the service. Photos are a particular risk, for a number of reasons I don't think I need to enumerate.

    So I'd think that, both for personal use and for professional photographers, the substitution of a cloud service for a local tool working on locally stored data, would be unacceptable.

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  40. Re: In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ars Technica got an official statement from Apple that Aperture will be updated soon to run on Yosemite.

    Also I have seen comments that Aperture does work already on Yosemite. It seems to only be broken on specific hardware.

  41. This will accelerate my transition by gander666 · · Score: 1

    I was already making the switch to Lightroom from Aperture. Apple's last update of Aperture really started messing it up, so I saw the writing on the wall, and will fully move my library to Lightroom.

    It is a shame, because when I first started using Aperture, it was awesome, about 1/2 the price of Lightroom at the time, and it was lightyears ahead of iPhoto.

    With my MacBook Air, I thought I would just use iPhoto, but gah, after not using it for 6 years or so, it still sucks tool.

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    1. Re:This will accelerate my transition by MichaelJ · · Score: 1

      The thing about Aperture is not only is the workflow perfect for my needs, but it also integrates into the Apple Ecosystem - trivial syncing of albums to iOS devices for show-and-tell with friends, as well as selection of photos in any file dialog under the Media picker. Going to Lightroom, Capture One, or any other third-party solution loses out on that (at least partially; I know about arbitrary folder-of-photos syncing). Additionally, I have Aperture set to auto-import my iCloud (Photostream) images to a project. Once that goes to the snazzy new setup, I don't know if I'll even be able to get at those out of Photos without fancy scripting or manual manipulation. Dammit, I had just started Applescripting my Aperture workflows, too.

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  42. No Portal joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I do not do any photo editing so I'm not familiar with this software. After reading the first sentence, my first thought on seeing this was.....here come portal jokes.

    1. Re:No Portal joke? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now I really want you gone.

  43. It you're still bitching about Hypercard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's time for you to let it go.

  44. Re:In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a normal every day straight guy, I can't believe some anyone could be such a closed minded homophobic bigot.

    Grow up, and stop letting other peoples sexual preference bother you, it makes you seem like a spoilt little child.

    Seriously - it's insane to have such hatred for something that has absolutely zero effect on you.

    If it's your religion that makes you feel this way then ditch that thing straight away - you're not using it right!

  45. Aperture would be great if it grokked my camera by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

    On my desk, I run 10.6.8. I have numerous reasons for sticking with it, not least that it still runs the PPC apps I paid good money for and continue to use, and that it has significantly better USB performance than Mavericks (not sure about 10.7...10.8, but 10.9.3 USB sucks dishrags. I've been running it on the [identical] machine in my radio room, and brother, what a clusterfark. Borken by design, near as I can tell.)

    So anyway, being a camera person, I bought Aperture 1 (I had a Canon 50D at the time), then upgraded, paying for version two, then upgraded paying for version 3. Then I bought a Canon 6D. Wonderful camera. So Aperture, yes? No.

    Here's what I got for my dollar-driven adventure in Apple "professional" software:

    A program that won't read my 6D's images, that's what.

    So I moved to Lightroom, a version of which did (a) run under 10.6.8 and (b) does support my camera. Works fine, I'm shooting all the time. Aperture is no longer part of my workflow. Why should it be? It's useless to me because Apple, in a fit of whatever, moved camera support to the OS, and then failed, as per usual, to support the OS versions they already had in the field.

    Speaking as an Apple user, and a previous fan of Aperture, Lightroom will do for now, thanks.

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  46. Re:In addition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aperture won't run in Yosemite because Apple wants you to use the new app.

    Not according to this [techcrunch.com] which claims "an Apple spokesman told them" (distinct lack of "horse's mouth" links, unfortunately) that it would be updated to run on Yosemite.

    It would be updated to run on Bugs Bunny's rootingest tootingest Texan companion which means that it currently does not. Everyone knows that software projects shelved all the time so that means it might not work on it in the future depending on how Apple views how the developing is going.

    Some see the glass half full some half empty and some an annoying intrusive device from Google.

  47. Migration AWAY from the iCloud by hacker · · Score: 1

    Despite Apple and other corporate plans to move everything and everyone to "The Cloud", the masses are doing quite the opposite, moving everything away from the cloud and hosted resources.

    There's already a growing exodus to use personally-controlled storage, cloud and other environments, or heavily encrypted storage platforms to hold their data, making apps that expect "iCloud(tm)" and other in-the-clear, branded solutions from being all but useless.

    So as long as these "replacement" versions work primarily, and with full functionality without feature-reduction 100% locally and by default, then they'll be fine. If they require the iCloud/cloud to function, they're going to suffer from diminished adoption.

    The same is happening with digital currency v. analog/paper currency, resulting from increased eroding confidence in the system (eg: Target failures, identity theft, and hundreds of other examples in the news, nearly weekly).

    If these features aren't being demanded by users (and there's plenty of evidence they're not), then why the big push to store everything you have and own, off-premises?