TSA Prohibits Taking Discharged Electronic Devices Onto Planes

Trachman writes The US Transport Security Administration revealed on Sunday that enhanced security procedures on flights coming to the US now include not allowing uncharged cell phones and other devices onto planes. “During the security examination, officers may also ask that owners power up some devices, including cell phones. Powerless devices will not be permitted on board the aircraft. The traveler may also undergo additional screening,” TSA said in a statement.

Comments

Actually makes good sense

[Crashmarik]

If you can't power the things up there is no way to tell what they actually are.

Re:Actually makes good sense

[drinkypoo]

If you can't power the things up there is no way to tell what they actually are.

If the TSA worked for us, they'd have a power supply at the checkpoint so you can prove that your device works even if the battery is dead.

Re:Actually makes good sense

[jeIIomizer]

The TSA cannot work for us, because their existence violates the highest law of the land. Slightly 'improving' the situation would never change that simple fact.

Re:Actually makes good sense

[TheCarp]

Right because having your fucking phone die at the airport isn't inconvenient enough; you clearly are not having a bad enough day that you can't easily call people when you reach your destination, or get notices about flight delays on your way to the airport....no.... you need to lose your battery too! Another $50 on your trip asshole for doing something boneheaded that only ever was a problem for you before now.

Certainly there are so vanishingly few legitimate reasons a persons phone would be discharged.... that there wont be too many false positives with this....never. I am sure they will mostly only inconvinence terrorists, and not, so many people as to justify maybe....a full time position or two at each airport.

Re:Actually makes good sense

[bickerdyke]

50$? Wait.. you're assuming that you can remove the battery from your phone, right?

That's a good one.

REALLY inconvinient if you have an iPhone....

Re:Actually makes good sense

[L4t3r4lu5]

Certainly there are so vanishingly few legitimate reasons a persons phone would be discharged...

Certainly there are far fewer reasons a person would want to go to the USA anymore. Or, rather, people value their dignity more than US culture; That you continue to have a tourism industry is beyond belief. Further, with Germany setting the standard for tearing US businesses out of their public infrastructure I'd be surprised if the US continues be a player in international business for much longer.

Anyway, to answer your question about why my phone would be discharged, it's because I'm forced to wait for three hours in the damn departure lounge because getting through security takes an age. I pass the time by browsing the internet, listening to music, watching streaming video... On my phone.

Re:Actually makes good sense

[fuzzyfuzzyfungus]

What I find curious (honestly, both from the TSA's side, and from the terrorists' side, to the degree that they aren't simply far less common than popularly believed), is how dead-set everyone is on fighting the 'last war' so to speak.

Given the (mostly low-lethality, albeit with occasional exceptions that really sucked for a specific hostage) history of aircraft hijacking, being the first to radically change the game before anybody knew that the game had changed (strictly speaking, the attempt occurred across 3 planes simultaneously; but with limited cross-communication, each was essentially 'first' for the purposes of that aircraft, and the one where that information isolation broke down was the one that was forcibly crash-landed and never made it to target) was a ruthless and clever move. The historical rule had always been 'Hijacking, that sucks; but within a few days, and with the death of very few passengers, the matter will be wrapped up', and so heroics simply didn't make much sense.

Now that everyone knows that that isn't the case, you pretty much have to be confident that you have the manpower to overwhelm an entire aircraft full of people who expect you to kill them even if they do cooperate, as well as national air-defense assets that expect you to kill everyone, and worse, if they don't shoot you down. Aircraft are now largely targets that are only as useful as their direct destruction is.

Given that, it's downright weird that both the TSA, and at least the dumber terrorist types, have remained fixated on airplanes, despite the fact that there are far softer targets, vastly more numerous and harder to secure, all over the place. At this point, hitting a TSA security line, rather than trying to pass through it, or just skipping that entirely and turning a good, honest, domestically available, AR-15 on a little-league crowd somewhere in Iowa would be at least as scary and way easier...

Re:Actually makes good sense

[Anonymous Coward]

Typically after the security checkpoint..

Re:Actually makes good sense

[serviscope_minor]

First world problems.

Since when is having an overbearing and corrupt government, and especially it's petty and beaurocratic employees given a sniff of power, making its citizens lives a misery and stealing their stuff a first world problem?

At least in a 3rd world country, you could bribe the gits into giving your cellphone back. Here they get to keep it (If you don't believe that the TSA employees won't all mysteriously end up with shiny iPhones, then I have a bridge to sell you) and there's fuck all you can do.

Sure it is a stupid rule. But the anger over the current state when you alone are at fault is staggering.

It's a stupid rule yet the victim of it is at fault?

This is a classic case of blaming the victim.

No, the rule is idiotic and this is firmly the fault of the administration at the TSA.

Re: Land of the fee

[Stargoat]

Yeah. That flag pretty much no longer flies over the land of the free and the home of the brave.

Last time I went into a court house, I was required to remove my belt. Somehow, the US made it through a foreign invasion, a Civil War, WWI, WWII, the Cold War, and absolutely massive social upheaval without requiring people to remove clothing to enter into courts of law. But a few jackasses drive airplanes into some buildings and it's goodbye liberty, hello 'safety'. This 100% safe nonsense is destroying the Republic. We are less safe than ever and we have done it to ourselves. Government is the problem with our security, not to the solution to it

My question

[DarkOx]

In theory if you can't get through the security check you are allowed to leave with your property. In practice people have been prevented from doing so.

If someone does arrive at the security checkpoint with a $600 dollar tablet that happens to have a dead battery, for their $130 flight is the TSA going to let them just leave?

Re:That'll show 'em!

[TheCarp]

> Does the TSA expect that most of their enemies are as dumb as they are

No, they expect the public will not listen to their enemies about how stupid it all is. They are not worried about their enemies because they already won and the public will fund whatever staffing levels they can justify.

To think that the TSAs real enemies are terrorists is laughable, they are a theater troupe doing security plays. Their enemy is the guy calling them out for being actors.

Re:No it makes no sense at all

[brunes69]

"Now, a successful terrorist must spend an extra $100 on parts and 100 hours on hardware modifications, while still spending the time and money to jump through every other hurdle in the way."

"... the point is to raise the difficulty high enough that the attack isn't worth the hassle."

If you stop and think about these statements you will see how stupid they are. Such statements make sense when the motive is financial and the prospect of fines or incarceration is a deterrent. Or when such people are not extremely well financed. None of these things apply here. If you are an extremest who plans to kill yourself while blowing up an airplane, there is no point at which you stop and say "awww screw this, it's not worth the hassle". And most of these guys are backed by people will millions in the bank.

Re:Christmas is coming early this year

[dak664]

Such a bomb could well house a small battery for detonation, big enough to also power the device for a short time for the trigger swipe. Rejecting devices that don't work is absolute insanity.

Re:Incoming international flights

[idontgno]

Actually, if you're a REALLY dedicated terrorist, replace all the cells with explosives triggered by the power switch. Kill everyone in a 10-meter radius in the security checkpoint at the specific command of the TSA agent, and make sure the post-event propaganda plays that up.