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TSA Prohibits Taking Discharged Electronic Devices Onto Planes

Trachman writes The US Transport Security Administration revealed on Sunday that enhanced security procedures on flights coming to the US now include not allowing uncharged cell phones and other devices onto planes. “During the security examination, officers may also ask that owners power up some devices, including cell phones. Powerless devices will not be permitted on board the aircraft. The traveler may also undergo additional screening,” TSA said in a statement.

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  1. Christmas is coming early this year by qbast · · Score: 5, Funny

    All those free phones, tablets, laptops, etc. - it is great to be working for TSA!

    1. Re:Christmas is coming early this year by NatasRevol · · Score: 5, Funny

      The TSA is probably thinking

      LOL!

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    2. Re:Christmas is coming early this year by dak664 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Such a bomb could well house a small battery for detonation, big enough to also power the device for a short time for the trigger swipe. Rejecting devices that don't work is absolute insanity.

  2. Incoming international flights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    This was specifically for international flights into the US originating from certain countries, not a TSA-wide procedure.

    1. Re:Incoming international flights by bickerdyke · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or do so if you want to save on disposal fees....

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    2. Re:Incoming international flights by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Informative

      This was specifically for international flights into the US originating from certain countries, not a TSA-wide procedure.

      Yet... give it a month. I know a couple of TSA people for some reason. Their IQ is slightly above your typical McDonalds worker, only because they need to know how to put on a tie. A lot of their "procedures" are only there because they heard it was a good idea on the news yesterday. Granted, I'm near Chicago so maybe they have smarter people working in the newyork airports but I doubt it.

      Keep in mind, that TSA has yet to have stopped a single bombing. The only reasons we've not had a plane go down is due to lack of effort, not any increase in security. The few attempts that have been made, made it through the TSA with ease and it was the efforts of passengers or the stupidity of the attacker that saved the plane.

      In tests, they fail to stop devices from getting on the plane pretty much every time:
      http://nypost.com/2013/03/08/t...

      They've no evidence that they have ever stopped anything:
      http://www.slate.com/articles/...

      The majority of what they catch are people trying to smuggle things they shouldn't like plants and animals or people that try to take legit firearms into the cabin when they should have put it in their luggage:
      http://blog.tsa.gov/2012/01/ts...

    3. Re:Incoming international flights by operagost · · Score: 4, Funny

      I would totally just take a bag full of dead cell phones to the airport with me if I didn't think it would result in a cavity search.

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    4. Re:Incoming international flights by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

      The point of airport security isn't to stop terrorists. It's to calm and reassure the public. After every major airliner accident, there's a drop in airline travel. (Least there was back when we'd have 2-3 commercial airliner crashes a year. We're now to the point where it's so safe we go 2-5 years between accidents.) How do you think these people are traveling if they're too scared to fly? Some of them just stay home, but most of them travel by car. Where they are more likely to die in a car accident than from a terrorist attack.

      So the point of airport security is literally security theater. Show the public, "Hey we're doing something to stop those terrorists, so it's safe to fly!" When the real goal is to stop people from getting themselves killed while driving because they're too scared of terrorists to fly.

      Unfortunately, the people running the TSA never got the memo and are taking their jobs way too seriously.

      That said, every time I've had a phone or laptop die from a drained battery, I've been able to turn it on, and it'll power up for at least 5-30 seconds before sensing the low battery and automatically powering off again. This is due to an intentional safety feature of Li-ion batteries - if you drain them too much, they can explode when charged. So devices are designed to shut off long before the battery reaches this point, and consequently there's always enough juice left to briefly turn the device back on again. The only way you can get to a state where the device literally will not power on is if you drain the battery, then let the device sit there for weeks or months so that it self-discharges below the voltage where the device will refuse to use the battery at all. So the guy whose phone dies while traveling shouldn't be affected by this policy change at all (unless the TSA decides to be assholes and require you to demonstrate something more than the phone booting, while not providing a standard microUSB charger).

    5. Re:Incoming international flights by idontgno · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually, if you're a REALLY dedicated terrorist, replace all the cells with explosives triggered by the power switch. Kill everyone in a 10-meter radius in the security checkpoint at the specific command of the TSA agent, and make sure the post-event propaganda plays that up.

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    6. Re:Incoming international flights by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've wondered why they haven't done that before. Forget about taking a plane down, or flying into a building.

      Have 20 individuals at 20 airports all approach the processing line, timed to arrive at the metal detector/x-ray chute at noon. Scream the usual "aloha cracker" (or whatever those crazy fucks say), pull out the bomb from their carry on, and detonate it before anyone can stop them.

      Instantly, every airport is notified about this threat, and now everyone gets screened before they even get to the airport.

      If they want to fuck with the west, that is how they could do it.

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    7. Re:Incoming international flights by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 4, Informative

      A family acquaintance - let's call him "Joe" - worked as an airport screener. This is a true story: I was personally in the room when Joe was complaining to my dad that he'd been fired.

      They run periodic checks where an undercover agent tries to smuggle contraband onto a plane. When questioned after the fact, Joe didn't understand why everyone was upset that he'd allowed a disassembled rifle through screening: "but it was in pieces! He couldn't have done anything with it!". "But Joe, he could've taken it into a bathroom and put it together, couldn't he?", followed by an expression of horror creeping across his face as the realization sank in.

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    8. Re:Incoming international flights by Grishnakh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Terrorists already go for softer targets, namely shopping malls. It's happened in Mumbai and in Kenya. It just hasn't happened in the US. That means that either our security is so good that the terrorists are prevented from coming here and shooting up malls (extremely unlikely since our southern border is wide-open and guns are easy to obtain here), OR the terrorists just aren't interested in messing with us that much.

    9. Re:Incoming international flights by radarskiy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "the psychological impact"

      Consider the psychological impact of targeting the security apparatus itself: the thing that is claimed to keep people safe turns out to be what enabled them to be killed.

  3. Actually makes good sense by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you can't power the things up there is no way to tell what they actually are.

    1. Re:Actually makes good sense by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you can't power the things up there is no way to tell what they actually are.

      If the TSA worked for us, they'd have a power supply at the checkpoint so you can prove that your device works even if the battery is dead.

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    2. Re:Actually makes good sense by qbast · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And if I can power my laptop up (for 5 minutes should be good enough), how can they tell that 90% of battery is not packed with explosives?

    3. Re:Actually makes good sense by jeIIomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The TSA cannot work for us, because their existence violates the highest law of the land. Slightly 'improving' the situation would never change that simple fact.

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    4. Re:Actually makes good sense by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right because having your fucking phone die at the airport isn't inconvenient enough; you clearly are not having a bad enough day that you can't easily call people when you reach your destination, or get notices about flight delays on your way to the airport....no.... you need to lose your battery too! Another $50 on your trip asshole for doing something boneheaded that only ever was a problem for you before now.

      Certainly there are so vanishingly few legitimate reasons a persons phone would be discharged.... that there wont be too many false positives with this....never. I am sure they will mostly only inconvinence terrorists, and not, so many people as to justify maybe....a full time position or two at each airport.

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    5. Re: Actually makes good sense by bickerdyke · · Score: 4, Interesting

      a discontinuity would be obvious on the x-ray, if a part of the battery would have been replaced with other material then the rest of the battery.

      I once had to unpack my hand luggage because I mixed two different brands of batteries in a spare battery container. When the different brand label matched the different x-ray signatures, it was no further problem.

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    6. Re:Actually makes good sense by bickerdyke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      50$? Wait.. you're assuming that you can remove the battery from your phone, right?

      That's a good one.

      REALLY inconvinient if you have an iPhone....

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    7. Re: Actually makes good sense by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Because nobody could ever hook up an ARM SBC to the LVDS connector on a 17" laptop and play a video to fake a boot sequence that would fool a telemarketer in purple gloves, leaving the rest of the case available for whatever can be molded into plastic.

      Because TSA is there to protect us from imbicilic terrorists, even though 9/11 was orchestrated by degreed engineers, physicians, etc.?

      Or just maybe it's not about terrorists but rather obedience conditioning, and they need a new rule once in a while to keep the people regressing (from presumption of Constitutional rights).

      Only one of those hypotheses fits the data.

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    8. Re:Actually makes good sense by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Certainly there are so vanishingly few legitimate reasons a persons phone would be discharged...

      Certainly there are far fewer reasons a person would want to go to the USA anymore. Or, rather, people value their dignity more than US culture; That you continue to have a tourism industry is beyond belief. Further, with Germany setting the standard for tearing US businesses out of their public infrastructure I'd be surprised if the US continues be a player in international business for much longer.

      Anyway, to answer your question about why my phone would be discharged, it's because I'm forced to wait for three hours in the damn departure lounge because getting through security takes an age. I pass the time by browsing the internet, listening to music, watching streaming video... On my phone.

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    9. Re:Actually makes good sense by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      My snark detector needs retuning.

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    10. Re:Actually makes good sense by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Funny

      You're just not thinking outside the box enough. *Finally* we have a way of getting rid of all all of our broken electronics without having to pay those exhorbitant recycling fees or sneaking out in the dead of night to dump it at some ad-hoc "landfill" site!

      "Sorry, officer, I must have forgotten to charge that one too... here you go! Shall we try this... um..." *wipes dust off logo* ...Compaq now, or just move on to the next crate?"

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    11. Re:Actually makes good sense by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I find curious (honestly, both from the TSA's side, and from the terrorists' side, to the degree that they aren't simply far less common than popularly believed), is how dead-set everyone is on fighting the 'last war' so to speak.

      Given the (mostly low-lethality, albeit with occasional exceptions that really sucked for a specific hostage) history of aircraft hijacking, being the first to radically change the game before anybody knew that the game had changed (strictly speaking, the attempt occurred across 3 planes simultaneously; but with limited cross-communication, each was essentially 'first' for the purposes of that aircraft, and the one where that information isolation broke down was the one that was forcibly crash-landed and never made it to target) was a ruthless and clever move. The historical rule had always been 'Hijacking, that sucks; but within a few days, and with the death of very few passengers, the matter will be wrapped up', and so heroics simply didn't make much sense.

      Now that everyone knows that that isn't the case, you pretty much have to be confident that you have the manpower to overwhelm an entire aircraft full of people who expect you to kill them even if they do cooperate, as well as national air-defense assets that expect you to kill everyone, and worse, if they don't shoot you down. Aircraft are now largely targets that are only as useful as their direct destruction is.

      Given that, it's downright weird that both the TSA, and at least the dumber terrorist types, have remained fixated on airplanes, despite the fact that there are far softer targets, vastly more numerous and harder to secure, all over the place. At this point, hitting a TSA security line, rather than trying to pass through it, or just skipping that entirely and turning a good, honest, domestically available, AR-15 on a little-league crowd somewhere in Iowa would be at least as scary and way easier...

    12. Re:Actually makes good sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Typically after the security checkpoint..

    13. Re:Actually makes good sense by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      First world problems.

      Since when is having an overbearing and corrupt government, and especially it's petty and beaurocratic employees given a sniff of power, making its citizens lives a misery and stealing their stuff a first world problem?

      At least in a 3rd world country, you could bribe the gits into giving your cellphone back. Here they get to keep it (If you don't believe that the TSA employees won't all mysteriously end up with shiny iPhones, then I have a bridge to sell you) and there's fuck all you can do.

      Sure it is a stupid rule. But the anger over the current state when you alone are at fault is staggering.

      It's a stupid rule yet the victim of it is at fault?

      This is a classic case of blaming the victim.

      No, the rule is idiotic and this is firmly the fault of the administration at the TSA.

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  4. That'll show 'em! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Short of 'eh, just buy a display model on ebay and pack it full of semtex, the TSA won't notice...' slacker-terrorist stuff, how useful is the 'turn it on' test?

    With the relentless demand for miniaturization and battery life, most consumer electronics should be able to get enough power to boot-and-display-innocence out of a battery pack markedly smaller than their real one, even without further clever surgery. In the case of products that have substantial spec variations available in the same chassis (like most 'workstation' laptops) or very similar ones(most cellphone flavors that have a high-end and a cheap-seats variant that share a design language, and often a number of parts), the slightly more adept attacker has even more room, literally, to build a low-drain device and its teeny battery into the chassis designed to run a fairly firebreathing set of components for a couple of hours.

    Does the TSA expect that most of their enemies are as dumb as they are, or is this a 'well, it isn't worth much; but it's easy to impose so it's probably worth what you pay...' measure?

    1. Re:That'll show 'em! by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Its quite simple in fact. If you have an explosive device, you must prove that you can turn it on in order to bring it aboard the plane.

    2. Re:That'll show 'em! by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Does the TSA expect that most of their enemies are as dumb as they are

      No, they expect the public will not listen to their enemies about how stupid it all is. They are not worried about their enemies because they already won and the public will fund whatever staffing levels they can justify.

      To think that the TSAs real enemies are terrorists is laughable, they are a theater troupe doing security plays. Their enemy is the guy calling them out for being actors.

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    3. Re:That'll show 'em! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Funny

      The TSA's next step:

      "Thank you sir, now, would you please start Crysis for me?"

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  5. oblig. by StripedCow · · Score: 5, Funny
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  6. Re: Land of the fee by Stargoat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah. That flag pretty much no longer flies over the land of the free and the home of the brave.

    Last time I went into a court house, I was required to remove my belt. Somehow, the US made it through a foreign invasion, a Civil War, WWI, WWII, the Cold War, and absolutely massive social upheaval without requiring people to remove clothing to enter into courts of law. But a few jackasses drive airplanes into some buildings and it's goodbye liberty, hello 'safety'. This 100% safe nonsense is destroying the Republic. We are less safe than ever and we have done it to ourselves. Government is the problem with our security, not to the solution to it

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  7. My question by DarkOx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In theory if you can't get through the security check you are allowed to leave with your property. In practice people have been prevented from doing so.

    If someone does arrive at the security checkpoint with a $600 dollar tablet that happens to have a dead battery, for their $130 flight is the TSA going to let them just leave?

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  8. And Your Vibrator by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you have a vibrator in your luggage you'll have a better-than-average chance of being asked to turn that on, too. If you pack the biggest one you can find in your carry-on right next to your cell phone, they might not even notice your cell phone.

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    1. Re:And Your Vibrator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      True story:

      My wife and I went through a checkpoint with a vibrator in carry-on. We do this all the time, but on this trip, the bag was flagged for inspection. Well, first they ran it through the X-ray two more times. When they couldn't figure out what they were seeing, they had to open the bag.

      The smurf pawed through everything in the bag and found the vibrator, which apparently was what caused the alarm. He held it up and said, "I don't know what this is, but it looks like a knife on the X-ray."

      We were both thinking, "You don't know what that is? Your poor wife..."

      The smurf then ran his bomb residue swipe over the vibrator and his gloves. As the apparatus was not fitted with chemical explosives, just explosively good vibrations, we were soon free to go.

  9. Real TSA Motivations by MrLogic17 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm starting to think that the TSA's real motivation is to slowly put all of the airlines out of business.
    If so, they're going to be one of the most successful covert operations in history.

  10. But you can still by overshoot · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... bring all the thermite, magnesium tape, and calcium carbide you want to on in carry-on luggage.

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  11. Re:No it makes no sense at all by brunes69 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Now, a successful terrorist must spend an extra $100 on parts and 100 hours on hardware modifications, while still spending the time and money to jump through every other hurdle in the way."

    "... the point is to raise the difficulty high enough that the attack isn't worth the hassle."

    If you stop and think about these statements you will see how stupid they are. Such statements make sense when the motive is financial and the prospect of fines or incarceration is a deterrent. Or when such people are not extremely well financed. None of these things apply here. If you are an extremest who plans to kill yourself while blowing up an airplane, there is no point at which you stop and say "awww screw this, it's not worth the hassle". And most of these guys are backed by people will millions in the bank.

  12. Oh, absolutely .... by King_TJ · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I know a couple of people who work for the TSA too, and sadly, they view all of this stuff as amusing ways to irritate the general public, who they regard as generally stupid and annoying in the first place.

    If you corner them on any of the security policies, they'll readily admit they don't necessarily enhance security or serve a useful purpose. They just feel like all of that is unimportant, vs. the expectation that travelers just "follow the orders and instructions". If you don't cooperate, you're one of those "stupid and annoying people who can't follow directions" - so they ridicule you and enjoy your suffering as they put you through extra screening, detain you, or what-not.

    It's funny how you can take practically anyone, dress them up in a uniform and a badge, and give them some sort of arbitrary control or power over others, and they suddenly feel superior.

    1. Re:Oh, absolutely .... by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Informative

      Wealth and power breed a sense of entitlement:
      http://www.pbs.org/newshour/ru...

      It's human nature. That's why people in positions of power should be required to follow a strict set of guidelines rather than apply them arbitrarily to whomever they seem to think deserves scrutiny. "Gut feelings" don't work. The people trying to get stuff on planes know this, and know to be cooperative and smile. The guy waring the "Don't tread of me" tshirt, refusing to be strip searched, may be a jerk... but he's not trying to hurt anyone.

  13. A few days earlier by mrops · · Score: 5, Funny

    Employees: We demand a raise, we have to face rude passengers and put our hands at weird places.
    TSA Manager: Well, there is no budget for a raise, here is what we are going to do instead.....