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Meet the Muslim-American Leaders the FBI and NSA Have Been Spying On
Advocatus Diaboli (1627651) writes The National Security Agency and FBI have covertly monitored the emails of prominent Muslim-Americans — including a political candidate and several civil rights activists, academics, and lawyers — under secretive procedures intended to target terrorists and foreign spies.
From the article: "The individuals appear on an NSA spreadsheet in the Snowden archives called 'FISA recap.' Under that law, the Justice Department must convince a judge with the top-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that there is probable cause to believe that American targets are not only agents of an international terrorist organization or other foreign power, but also 'are or may be' engaged in or abetting espionage, sabotage, or terrorism. The authorizations must be renewed by the court, usually every 90 days for U.S. citizens. ... The five Americans whose email accounts were monitored by the NSA and FBI have all led highly public, outwardly exemplary lives. All five vehemently deny any involvement in terrorism or espionage, and none advocates violent jihad or is known to have been implicated in any crime, despite years of intense scrutiny by the government and the press. Some have even climbed the ranks of the U.S. national security and foreign policy establishments."
Apparently being Muslim is good enough for probable cause. So much for freedom of religion.
i remember when it seemed that if theconstitution was flagrantly violated, there would actually be consequences for the perpetrators and such actions would stop.. it must have been a dream
Yeah, it's a good thing they are monitoring civil rights activists because the last thing we want in America is civil liberties and rights. Civil rights and freedoms are unAmerican and have no business here.
Why yes, I do watch Fox News. why do you ask?
Same dude, slightly different take on what he wants.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Until they incorporate they're not entitled to free speech or religious exemptions.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
If you are not a drooling "police-dog" type, then you must be an enemy, there Bubba!
Back in the 50s and 60s, when the Civil Rights Movement was starting to pick up, the FBI had files on most of the major civil rights leaders, even those that advocated purely peaceful resistance. I recall reading an interview with a high-ranking FBI official at the time who said that J. Edgar Hoover was particularly proud of the file he had on Martin Luther King. They tracked relationships between civil rights groups, and tried to watch them all. I'm fairly certain that there were also secret wiretaps done on some of the people they were tracking, though I don't remember if that was the case with MLK or not.
If you look on the list, the agency responsible for maintaining the surveillance against the Muslim-Americans targeted in this case is the FBI. They haven't changed much since 1960, and it shows.
Under the heading “Nationality,” the list designates 202 email addresses as belonging to “U.S. persons,” 1,782 as belonging to “non-U.S. persons,” and 5,501 as “unknown” or simply blank. The Intercept identified the five Americans placed under surveillance from their email addresses.
It is unclear whether the government obtained any legal permission to monitor the Americans on the list. The FBI and the Justice Department declined to comment for this story. During the course of multiple conversations with The Intercept, the NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence urged against publication of any surveillance targets. “Except in exceptional circumstances,” they argued, surveillance directly targeting Americans is conducted only with court-approved warrants. Last week, anonymous officials told another news outlet that the government did not have a FISA warrant against at least one of the individuals named here during the timeframe covered by the spreadsheet.
So, for all the idiots arguing that we have FISA to make sure mass surveillance isn't abused: it looks like they've decided to skip that step entirely.
They have usual name. Good enough reason, right?
Every American should incorporate themselves. It's the only way to guarantee you have rights. If you are a closely held corporation, your religious rights cannot be infringed, your property cannot be confiscated, you can commit heinous crimes and only face a fine (no jail time for CEOs); and furthermore, NSA "spying" can be sued over as industrial espionage or as copyright violations under intellectual property rights laws.
Basically you have way more rights as a corporation. If you're an individual or "citizen", you're screwed.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
The POTUS and Attorney General, among others in the current administration, are brown, chuckles. Your argument is racist while trying to decry racism.
No they each imagine a different imaginary man in the sky, but their stories all have common origin so they pretend he actually exists and thus is a single being. Far more accurate that way.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
Anyone who believes that the government shouldn't be spying on and controlling every aspect of their lives is a godless communist with sympathies for the old Soviet regime. :)
are just out of control with their rule of this country. It is a shame that the President is powerless to stop them with this. They setup so many rules that can't be undone like the Republican TSA group and the hamstringing of the BATFE in their fight against the guns that are flooding the streets. Of course, destruction and poverty are what their kind gets off on.
Well not exactly. You also need money. You can incorporate yourself and still be a broke peasent that cannot represent themselves at trial and face a fine and jail time (look it up). At least with a corporation you can hire more people to speak on your behalf.. you can do that as an individual to but it makes you personally liable.
So to amend your comment, Incorporate and then Gather Large Sums of Money!
What did you do to get the negative karma?
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Every American should incorporate themselves. It's the only way to guarantee you have rights. If you are a closely held corporation, your religious rights cannot be infringed, your property cannot be confiscated, you can commit heinous crimes and only face a fine (no jail time for CEOs); and furthermore, NSA "spying" can be sued over as industrial espionage or as copyright violations under intellectual property rights laws.
Basically you have way more rights as a corporation. If you're an individual or "citizen", you're screwed.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're someone who hates the recent hobby lobby decision; nonetheless, the opinion delivered by Alito directly addresses this 'corporations are treated like people and it's wrong!!!' outrage perpetuated by the left.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
According to this article there were 3,600 copies of the book sold at Costco during the month of June. Costco has 649 stores therefore they sold on average 5.5 books per store over a month's time. Costco make profits on volume and 5.5 books per store in a month is extremely low volume. No matter the content, Costco would return any book with such low sales. This was a sales decision not political censorship.
By the way, after the movie came out sale of the book rose so Costco re-ordered it.
This article brings up an interesting point;
Not to mention, how do people think Costco buys books? Just randomly? There is no way that this book ended up at Costco without awareness of the content of the book, as well as the history of the publisher and author. Dinesh D’Souza, the author has made a whole career of writing books and making documentaries about how horrible liberals and Obama are for the US. And the list of books from the publisher, Regnery Publishing, makes it abundantly clear what side of the political aisle they are on, and it is definitely not the same one as the the current administration. I think Costco had sales expectations for this book that it did not meet. Perhaps they should have waited to make a decision about its continued poor sales record until after the movie was released. Of course, maybe this was just a part of the regular process they have for reviewing book sales. But whatever the reasoning, it looks tenuous at best to say that dropping the book was based on the political content of the book.
Don't you think that if they wanted to "censor" the book they would never have put it on their shelves in the first place?
I bet that the AC is, or is associated with, the author. Sorry but reader here can do a little research and math as well as read books.
Actually no, it is the same. They believe in the same God, Islam even believes in Jesus, just that he was a prophet.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
This kind of behavior by the US government has the unintended consequence of creating more terrorists than it catches. The result is a vicious circle of rebellion and crackdown. It has already happened in the middle east with the constant meddling of the USA, and it is going to happen more and more at home. The country is already starting to divide into Patriots and Tories.
As an example, the feds raid Waco, yada yada, Oklahoma City gets bombed. This is not to say that all was well with the Branch Davidians, but the excessive and heavy-handed response led to a bad outcome in many consequential ways.
Other examples are Prohibition and the War on Drugs. We know how they turned out.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
They lead exemplary lives, but their name of their movement translates to "submission" and leader has ordered them to submit to carrying out some very specific commands. Two examples:
1) fight and kill those who believe other things: source: Koran chapter 9
(which could be why there was a demonstration of 500,000 people calling for killing of atheists in Bangladesh in June 2013 - I am sure most had exemplary parents)
2) "oh muslim, there is a jew hiding behind me - come and kill him" source: the Hadith collection of leader's quotes
(which could be why they were killing people at the jewish museum in Brussels 2 weeks ago)
Parents surely lead exemplary lives, but a percentage of their children will not, depending on their place of worship.
In fact, the masses of 'exemplary people' from France were able to contribute some 900 warriors to carry out executions, beheadings and managed to crucify opponents last month. Germany reportedly contributed 250 attackers, UK over 500. (source of numbers: the Peshmegra)
The best part is that neither France 24 state TV, nor german state TV will mention these commands when discussing the killings.
A google search of BBC site indicates that BBC will not even report the crucifictions.
Is this serious or a joke, it's so hard to tell anymore.
Well, they also believe all the christian scriptures about jesus have been falsified and that jesus was a muslim prophet preaching islam but that the evil christians falsified his teachings.
Many of the comments on First Look and even here are disturbing, both in their rancor and in their bigotry. These kind of haters represent a tiny but vocal minority of the US population but they seem seem to swarm to the comments sections of any story that touches on one of their hot button issues. This is especially true at "mainstream" media sites like Yahoo News, CNN, etc. Clearly their intent is to disguise their minority status and make it appear as if their radical opinions are mainstream.
Do they have RSS feeds or Twitter Bots or something that tell them "Muslim story on First Look - Troll Force GO!" or something? It's fkn amazing.
And it does real damage to our society by promoting the kind of racism and abuse depicted in TFA, both institutional and cultural, even when the majority of the people hold no such opinions...
I can see the fnords!
Hot Damn! A republican political candidate! This could not be better. I don't like either party, but the democrats will never address the NSA. It's just not part of their psyche to get up in arms about the government getting into their business.
The republicans however? Their paranoid reactionary, "Government is bad" attitude could very well serve to light this fuse. This is probably the most helpful thing to come out of that archive. Everyone, get out there and start telling all your conservative friends how the NSA targeted republicans and suggest Obama was behind it. We need them as paranoid as possible, this IS the moment we've been waiting for.
It's hard and draining to be good and social _all_ of the time. Lulzcats and hater trolls troll because they get to shrug off the burden of the mask and revel in the intoxication of being a dickwad anonymously. Then they put on the mask again and rejoin society. Many people are simply evil inside--they just pretend to be nice and good when people are watching.
The Koran is just like the Book of Mormon. It contains stories/passages derived from mistranslations of the christian bibles that were circulating at the time.
Basically they are both logically proven to _not_ be deviny inspired books. Of course if you believe in them, they are true and my not be questioned.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
He stated something that is against the constitution of the US. Spying on anyone without justification in our country is morally, and generally legally wrong.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
"I bet that the AC is, or is associated with, the author. Sorry but reader here can do a little research and math as well as read books."
Hahahahahaha. Yes, this is Dinesh here. BOOOO!
You fucksticks make me laugh.
Just wait, when we get a conservative in the white house we plan to unleash the IRS on all your asses and audit you stupid sheep right into the poor house.
Idiot.
The Linux users are acremely fanatic in their believe. At least they do not spy on linux users because that would be wrong. Right?
And if it goes wrong, the USofA can just not elect those who do wrong. Right?
I also hear people quoting some papers written several decades ago, so that is worth something as well. Right?
(Not sure if people can detect sarcasm. Not even sure if this IS sarcasm or just really, really sad.)
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
You miss my point, I say no two Christians even have the same imaginary friend, since each of them has an independent imagination in which to instantiate their friend.
I mean yes, you can give two kids the same model of barbie doll, but if one cuts the hair on theirs, the other will not have short hair, they may be the same class of doll, but they are not the same doll.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
So the fact that the CEO of Costco is a big supporter of Obama and even spoke at the 2012 DNC had nothing to do with it?
The great and powerful government of the USA will send its spokesmen to appear on television, bringing this message to the masses: "Who could have predicted this? Nobody!"
Followed by "Well, what difference does it make now?"
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Is this really news? Are we going to have an exposé entitled "Meet the model railroad enthusiasts the FBI and NSA have been spying on" ?
Regarding the Alito quote: "All of this is trueÃ"but quite beside the point. Corporations, Ãoeseparate and apart fromà the human beings who own, run, and are employed by them, cannot do anything at all." "
This is fundamentally incorrect. If it were true then corporations wouldn't be needed and probably would not exist. The human beings who "own, run, and are employed by them" would simply act individually and independently. Certainly an unneeded corporate entity would not enjoy any of the legal protections that corporate citizenship affords.
Why do people so often confuse the individual constituents of the corporation with the corporation itself? If I were a cynical person I'd say it was a argument of convenience, deployed to bolster a position when needed, and omitted when inconvenient.
The power wielded by a corporation obviously depends on whether or not it helps your argument.
On one hand, corporations are evil and all powerful, swaying elections, forcing their religious beliefs on their employees and getting off scott-free for crimes Joe Blow on the street would swing from the gallows for.
On the other hand, they don't have the ability to decide what books they will sell and make decisions from a purely neutral standpoint when doing so.
The detail which most Americans are unaware of is that at the time of the Revolution most of the states had established churches, mostly Anglican but also Congregationalist. The amendment in the constitution was to protect those state churches from the federal government, NOT to create a barrier between church and state.
Reading the bible provides a clear contrast between Judeo-Christian ethics and Islam - most elegantly demonstrated in Islam's rejection of the ban on more than 40 lashes, and it's destruction of God's creation when a person's hand is chopped off for theft. By contrast the Hebrew bible offers only execution or 6 years slavery for offenders; they are required to pay back three times what they stole, and if they can't are sold into slavery.
It spreads distrust and destroys social standards in common.
Thus, paranoia is an inevitable reaction.
Futurist Traditionalism
The traditional understanding of the faith is that it is a military organisation, committed to the conquest of the world to establish the kingdom of Allah by force. Many Muslims have abandoned this belief - but there is an important element in Islam which allows a Muslim to lie if it will advance the cause of Islam. Therefore it is impossible to trust what Muslims say about their beliefs - because they are free to lie. In this context being a muslim could be argued to be 'probable cause' for surveillance. Harsh but true. http://www.thereligionofpeace.... offers Quaranic reference that enable this behaviour.
As the quaran allows him to http://www.thereligionofpeace....
You miss my point, I say no two Christians even have the same imaginary friend, since each of them has an independent imagination in which to instantiate their friend.
You can make the same argument about actual people. We all perceive the world through our own imagination. You and I both might know one guy named "Joe" but our understanding of Joe will differ based on the different interactions we've had with Joe and our own biases formed through our own individual past experiences.
The Joe you think you know and the Joe I think I know are not the same. Joe himself surely has a third understanding of who he is. All three have the same physical body in common and some identical traits, but we each perceive him in different ways - we only know the Joe we have experienced and we either have "blank spots" for the parts of Joe we have not seen yet or we fill in those blank spots with our own guesses as to what is there.
That's just simplistic geektard black-and-white thinking. All of those things can be simultaneously true because the group of things called "corporations" are not monolithic nor is the management of each individual corporation monolithic. Furthermore, even one specific manager within a corporation can make decisions based on differing, even contradictory, goals depending on circumstances as prosaic as how tired they feel that day.
Here's my prediction: Within two years, a caliphate controlled by Saudi Arabia (probably from behind a curtain) will attack Iran. Iran will resort to using nuclear weapons against Saudi Arabia. The Saudis already have access to nuclear weapons in Pakistan (if the Pakistanis actually have them) and will use them on Iran. The great and powerful government of the USA will send its spokesmen to appear on television, bringing this message to the masses: "Who could have predicted this? Nobody!"
Quick !!! We must take action now if we are ever to have any hope of preserving our precious bodily fluids!
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Regular Federal Judges in the circuit courts are all perfectly capable of issuing warrants in national security cases.
Sounds like a freakin witch hunt to me.... Salem all over again?
It is similarly wrong in all UN member countries. Constitutions and their enforcement actions are typically the vehicles for implementing such principles in various countries. glrotate has an indirect point, however. Often political action against legal oppression requires showing systematical and large scale nature of the abuse of power, constitutional principles and international agreements to form a sufficient incentive for the legislators. Sexual, cultural and ethnic minorities are clearly in this position in many places still today.
Campaign contributions and other favors funneled through third parties by the Saudis and other middle eastern individuals and entities have created a US government that is more or less foreign controlled.
I hate to break the news to you, but you are a moron.
That "US politicians are puppets" would be a decent statement to make, but only "decent" because it's not all inclusive. To claim it's Islam, or Jewish, or Satanic, or what ever else people claim is simply a propagated argument to maintain the puppet show and keep everyone bickering instead of fixing the problem.
Instead of playing the blame game, work to correct the problem.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Um, and Christianity isn't real because Judaism? And Judaism isn't real because of some other proto-religion? It should be obvious that you can't prove if something is or isn't divinely inspired. And while Mormonism is a great example, it will be a lot harder to say it wasn't divinely inspired if it is around in hundreds or thousands of years and the information about its founding has been lost or mythologized.
If there is a god, would she inspire you to write 'inerrant dogma' that correspond to local, very unlikely, miss-translations of previous 'holy books'?
Remember the premise of 'divinely inspired book': There is in fact, a god, who is sending the book. All you need to do is find one blatantly wrong thing and POP. (Bats are not birds).
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
That Jefferson was campaigning for a wall of separation doesn't detract from the fact that most of the states had established churches. THEREFORE to interpret the FEDERAL constitution as imposing a wall of separation on the STATES makes no sense, because the states showed no particular inclination to disestablish as a result of indepence, despite your ideological commitment to doing so... Of course they did within a couple of generations, but because the wanted to, not because they were mandated by the federal constitution.
Clearly indicates that a Muslim is not bound by an oath to an 'idolater'. This provides plenty of space to justify lying in court, let alone in day to day discourse...
Political Correctness.
/.'s integrity. Everything here now comes back to politics and bullying those who might have an original, independent thought into submission.
/., not free thinking individuals.
/. - Just search for the word 'Republican') is only weakening us as a nation. This belief that "my view is the only correct one" is the cancer slowly eating away at us. It's not based in reality, and it's not sustainable in the long run.
/. has turned into a sheeple paradise. Unless you have a better solution, don't begin insulting others just because you don't agree with it. This kind of bullying is quickly replacing older, more physical forms of bullying, but it is still bullying! Nowadays instead of the bully's being jocks though, it's a bunch of narrow minded people who will publicly try to shame those they disagree with, rather than having an open discourse.
/. was a place for intelligent people to have great debates and conversation. Now it's a place where those who post their honest opinions are quickly attacked and called names by the bullies that disagree. How is this an open forum when this continues to happen?
/. look and the diatribe being posted, it's no wonder /. is in a downward spiral.
It's damaged the country (beyond repair?), ruined Reddit, and it's rotted away at
I'm not in support of spying on American citizens at all. Having said that, the country has some obligation to try and root out Islamist extremists and unfortunately, until they have the minority report up and running at 100%, spying on people you suspect of having connections to terrorists is one of our only tools to determine if the threat is real.
Should they continue to spy after confirming the person is verified as not being a threat? Of course not, but all of the barbs aimed at Republicans and Democrats in this thread, in addition to the blanket statements made about what should and should not be done, all goes to again show that it's sheeple on
Many of you appear to have been "programmed" to believe that any disagreement is wrong, and that any cultural differences should be eliminated entirely. Let me share something with you... It's these differences that drives societies.
America has many things going for it, but the absolute hatred towards our country shown in this thread (and elsewhere on
It's sad... I remember when
Between the new
Here's my prediction: Within two years, a caliphate controlled by Saudi Arabia (probably from behind a curtain) will attack Iran. Iran will resort to using nuclear weapons against Saudi Arabia. The Saudis already have access to nuclear weapons in Pakistan (if the Pakistanis actually have them) and will use them on Iran.
Idiot.
Iran doesn't have nukes.
Pakistan does.
Pakistan would never give nukes to Saudi Arabia.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
I believe they already are committed to do so and may have already done so. The reason for pakistan doing is would be the Saudis funded the pakistan nuclear program. For context, the Islamic countries obviously needed an Islamic nuclear weapon capability. The way this is all wrong is the Saudis do not have nukes in the same way the Polish do not have nukes. Or less so. Perhaps sort of in the way the Soviets were not going to give Cuba nukes on a bet. We can hope anyway.
The point I am making is that that legal status persisted - in some cases for 50 years after the formation of the USA. In that context the first amendment clearly was not designed for the purpose to which it has become used - to exclude religion from state institutions such as schools etc.
It's clear that any policy of the states was not prevented by the Federal constitution as originally enacted. Coincidentally the Washington Post has an article about the continuing requirement to believe in God in 7 state's laws http://www.washingtonpost.com/... Note that these are CURRENT laws - though effectively disabled by the 1960s decision of SCOTUS referred to in the article. But it is clear that there was no compunction about religious testsfor at least the first 170 years of the constitution!