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Meet the Muslim-American Leaders the FBI and NSA Have Been Spying On
Advocatus Diaboli (1627651) writes The National Security Agency and FBI have covertly monitored the emails of prominent Muslim-Americans — including a political candidate and several civil rights activists, academics, and lawyers — under secretive procedures intended to target terrorists and foreign spies.
From the article: "The individuals appear on an NSA spreadsheet in the Snowden archives called 'FISA recap.' Under that law, the Justice Department must convince a judge with the top-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court that there is probable cause to believe that American targets are not only agents of an international terrorist organization or other foreign power, but also 'are or may be' engaged in or abetting espionage, sabotage, or terrorism. The authorizations must be renewed by the court, usually every 90 days for U.S. citizens. ... The five Americans whose email accounts were monitored by the NSA and FBI have all led highly public, outwardly exemplary lives. All five vehemently deny any involvement in terrorism or espionage, and none advocates violent jihad or is known to have been implicated in any crime, despite years of intense scrutiny by the government and the press. Some have even climbed the ranks of the U.S. national security and foreign policy establishments."
Apparently being Muslim is good enough for probable cause. So much for freedom of religion.
i remember when it seemed that if theconstitution was flagrantly violated, there would actually be consequences for the perpetrators and such actions would stop.. it must have been a dream
Yeah, it's a good thing they are monitoring civil rights activists because the last thing we want in America is civil liberties and rights. Civil rights and freedoms are unAmerican and have no business here.
Why yes, I do watch Fox News. why do you ask?
Same dude, slightly different take on what he wants.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
Until they incorporate they're not entitled to free speech or religious exemptions.
That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
Back in the 50s and 60s, when the Civil Rights Movement was starting to pick up, the FBI had files on most of the major civil rights leaders, even those that advocated purely peaceful resistance. I recall reading an interview with a high-ranking FBI official at the time who said that J. Edgar Hoover was particularly proud of the file he had on Martin Luther King. They tracked relationships between civil rights groups, and tried to watch them all. I'm fairly certain that there were also secret wiretaps done on some of the people they were tracking, though I don't remember if that was the case with MLK or not.
If you look on the list, the agency responsible for maintaining the surveillance against the Muslim-Americans targeted in this case is the FBI. They haven't changed much since 1960, and it shows.
Under the heading “Nationality,” the list designates 202 email addresses as belonging to “U.S. persons,” 1,782 as belonging to “non-U.S. persons,” and 5,501 as “unknown” or simply blank. The Intercept identified the five Americans placed under surveillance from their email addresses.
It is unclear whether the government obtained any legal permission to monitor the Americans on the list. The FBI and the Justice Department declined to comment for this story. During the course of multiple conversations with The Intercept, the NSA and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence urged against publication of any surveillance targets. “Except in exceptional circumstances,” they argued, surveillance directly targeting Americans is conducted only with court-approved warrants. Last week, anonymous officials told another news outlet that the government did not have a FISA warrant against at least one of the individuals named here during the timeframe covered by the spreadsheet.
So, for all the idiots arguing that we have FISA to make sure mass surveillance isn't abused: it looks like they've decided to skip that step entirely.
Every American should incorporate themselves. It's the only way to guarantee you have rights. If you are a closely held corporation, your religious rights cannot be infringed, your property cannot be confiscated, you can commit heinous crimes and only face a fine (no jail time for CEOs); and furthermore, NSA "spying" can be sued over as industrial espionage or as copyright violations under intellectual property rights laws.
Basically you have way more rights as a corporation. If you're an individual or "citizen", you're screwed.
If telephones are outlawed, then only outlaws will have telephones.
No they each imagine a different imaginary man in the sky, but their stories all have common origin so they pretend he actually exists and thus is a single being. Far more accurate that way.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
What did you do to get the negative karma?
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Every American should incorporate themselves. It's the only way to guarantee you have rights. If you are a closely held corporation, your religious rights cannot be infringed, your property cannot be confiscated, you can commit heinous crimes and only face a fine (no jail time for CEOs); and furthermore, NSA "spying" can be sued over as industrial espionage or as copyright violations under intellectual property rights laws.
Basically you have way more rights as a corporation. If you're an individual or "citizen", you're screwed.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're someone who hates the recent hobby lobby decision; nonetheless, the opinion delivered by Alito directly addresses this 'corporations are treated like people and it's wrong!!!' outrage perpetuated by the left.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
Actually no, it is the same. They believe in the same God, Islam even believes in Jesus, just that he was a prophet.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
This kind of behavior by the US government has the unintended consequence of creating more terrorists than it catches. The result is a vicious circle of rebellion and crackdown. It has already happened in the middle east with the constant meddling of the USA, and it is going to happen more and more at home. The country is already starting to divide into Patriots and Tories.
As an example, the feds raid Waco, yada yada, Oklahoma City gets bombed. This is not to say that all was well with the Branch Davidians, but the excessive and heavy-handed response led to a bad outcome in many consequential ways.
Other examples are Prohibition and the War on Drugs. We know how they turned out.
Prove anything by multiplying Huge Number times Tiny Number
Many of the comments on First Look and even here are disturbing, both in their rancor and in their bigotry. These kind of haters represent a tiny but vocal minority of the US population but they seem seem to swarm to the comments sections of any story that touches on one of their hot button issues. This is especially true at "mainstream" media sites like Yahoo News, CNN, etc. Clearly their intent is to disguise their minority status and make it appear as if their radical opinions are mainstream.
Do they have RSS feeds or Twitter Bots or something that tell them "Muslim story on First Look - Troll Force GO!" or something? It's fkn amazing.
And it does real damage to our society by promoting the kind of racism and abuse depicted in TFA, both institutional and cultural, even when the majority of the people hold no such opinions...
I can see the fnords!
Hot Damn! A republican political candidate! This could not be better. I don't like either party, but the democrats will never address the NSA. It's just not part of their psyche to get up in arms about the government getting into their business.
The republicans however? Their paranoid reactionary, "Government is bad" attitude could very well serve to light this fuse. This is probably the most helpful thing to come out of that archive. Everyone, get out there and start telling all your conservative friends how the NSA targeted republicans and suggest Obama was behind it. We need them as paranoid as possible, this IS the moment we've been waiting for.
The Koran is just like the Book of Mormon. It contains stories/passages derived from mistranslations of the christian bibles that were circulating at the time.
Basically they are both logically proven to _not_ be deviny inspired books. Of course if you believe in them, they are true and my not be questioned.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
He stated something that is against the constitution of the US. Spying on anyone without justification in our country is morally, and generally legally wrong.
When you cant win, ad hominem.
woah woah woah, too many talking points rolled into one. besides obama already said if congress wont do it, he will, therefore obama is to blame by his own reasoning
have you seen my sig? there are many others like it but none that are the same
The Linux users are acremely fanatic in their believe. At least they do not spy on linux users because that would be wrong. Right?
And if it goes wrong, the USofA can just not elect those who do wrong. Right?
I also hear people quoting some papers written several decades ago, so that is worth something as well. Right?
(Not sure if people can detect sarcasm. Not even sure if this IS sarcasm or just really, really sad.)
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
You miss my point, I say no two Christians even have the same imaginary friend, since each of them has an independent imagination in which to instantiate their friend.
I mean yes, you can give two kids the same model of barbie doll, but if one cuts the hair on theirs, the other will not have short hair, they may be the same class of doll, but they are not the same doll.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
The great and powerful government of the USA will send its spokesmen to appear on television, bringing this message to the masses: "Who could have predicted this? Nobody!"
Followed by "Well, what difference does it make now?"
If you think I voted for Trump because of this post, you're wrong. I voted for Dr. Jill Stein of the Green Party. Again.
Is this really news? Are we going to have an exposé entitled "Meet the model railroad enthusiasts the FBI and NSA have been spying on" ?
The power wielded by a corporation obviously depends on whether or not it helps your argument.
On one hand, corporations are evil and all powerful, swaying elections, forcing their religious beliefs on their employees and getting off scott-free for crimes Joe Blow on the street would swing from the gallows for.
On the other hand, they don't have the ability to decide what books they will sell and make decisions from a purely neutral standpoint when doing so.
The detail which most Americans are unaware of is that at the time of the Revolution most of the states had established churches, mostly Anglican but also Congregationalist. The amendment in the constitution was to protect those state churches from the federal government, NOT to create a barrier between church and state.
Reading the bible provides a clear contrast between Judeo-Christian ethics and Islam - most elegantly demonstrated in Islam's rejection of the ban on more than 40 lashes, and it's destruction of God's creation when a person's hand is chopped off for theft. By contrast the Hebrew bible offers only execution or 6 years slavery for offenders; they are required to pay back three times what they stole, and if they can't are sold into slavery.
It spreads distrust and destroys social standards in common.
Thus, paranoia is an inevitable reaction.
Futurist Traditionalism
The traditional understanding of the faith is that it is a military organisation, committed to the conquest of the world to establish the kingdom of Allah by force. Many Muslims have abandoned this belief - but there is an important element in Islam which allows a Muslim to lie if it will advance the cause of Islam. Therefore it is impossible to trust what Muslims say about their beliefs - because they are free to lie. In this context being a muslim could be argued to be 'probable cause' for surveillance. Harsh but true. http://www.thereligionofpeace.... offers Quaranic reference that enable this behaviour.
As the quaran allows him to http://www.thereligionofpeace....
When you know that just about anything you say could turn you into a pariah within society, or cause you to experience bodily harm, you're generally careful with what can be attributed to you and go a little crazy when you've got the power of anonymity. This is true of truly hateful speech, borderline speech and more and more with rather benign speech. As it can often help a political or personal agenda, speech is often twisted and distorted into something it never was.
In a world where every word we say or write runs the chance of living forever in it's original or a twisted form, you can't blame people too much for going a little crazy during those times they have a mask.
Sounds like a freakin witch hunt to me.... Salem all over again?
Campaign contributions and other favors funneled through third parties by the Saudis and other middle eastern individuals and entities have created a US government that is more or less foreign controlled.
I hate to break the news to you, but you are a moron.
That "US politicians are puppets" would be a decent statement to make, but only "decent" because it's not all inclusive. To claim it's Islam, or Jewish, or Satanic, or what ever else people claim is simply a propagated argument to maintain the puppet show and keep everyone bickering instead of fixing the problem.
Instead of playing the blame game, work to correct the problem.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
If there is a god, would she inspire you to write 'inerrant dogma' that correspond to local, very unlikely, miss-translations of previous 'holy books'?
Remember the premise of 'divinely inspired book': There is in fact, a god, who is sending the book. All you need to do is find one blatantly wrong thing and POP. (Bats are not birds).
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
That Jefferson was campaigning for a wall of separation doesn't detract from the fact that most of the states had established churches. THEREFORE to interpret the FEDERAL constitution as imposing a wall of separation on the STATES makes no sense, because the states showed no particular inclination to disestablish as a result of indepence, despite your ideological commitment to doing so... Of course they did within a couple of generations, but because the wanted to, not because they were mandated by the federal constitution.
Clearly indicates that a Muslim is not bound by an oath to an 'idolater'. This provides plenty of space to justify lying in court, let alone in day to day discourse...
Political Correctness.
/.'s integrity. Everything here now comes back to politics and bullying those who might have an original, independent thought into submission.
/., not free thinking individuals.
/. - Just search for the word 'Republican') is only weakening us as a nation. This belief that "my view is the only correct one" is the cancer slowly eating away at us. It's not based in reality, and it's not sustainable in the long run.
/. has turned into a sheeple paradise. Unless you have a better solution, don't begin insulting others just because you don't agree with it. This kind of bullying is quickly replacing older, more physical forms of bullying, but it is still bullying! Nowadays instead of the bully's being jocks though, it's a bunch of narrow minded people who will publicly try to shame those they disagree with, rather than having an open discourse.
/. was a place for intelligent people to have great debates and conversation. Now it's a place where those who post their honest opinions are quickly attacked and called names by the bullies that disagree. How is this an open forum when this continues to happen?
/. look and the diatribe being posted, it's no wonder /. is in a downward spiral.
It's damaged the country (beyond repair?), ruined Reddit, and it's rotted away at
I'm not in support of spying on American citizens at all. Having said that, the country has some obligation to try and root out Islamist extremists and unfortunately, until they have the minority report up and running at 100%, spying on people you suspect of having connections to terrorists is one of our only tools to determine if the threat is real.
Should they continue to spy after confirming the person is verified as not being a threat? Of course not, but all of the barbs aimed at Republicans and Democrats in this thread, in addition to the blanket statements made about what should and should not be done, all goes to again show that it's sheeple on
Many of you appear to have been "programmed" to believe that any disagreement is wrong, and that any cultural differences should be eliminated entirely. Let me share something with you... It's these differences that drives societies.
America has many things going for it, but the absolute hatred towards our country shown in this thread (and elsewhere on
It's sad... I remember when
Between the new
Here's my prediction: Within two years, a caliphate controlled by Saudi Arabia (probably from behind a curtain) will attack Iran. Iran will resort to using nuclear weapons against Saudi Arabia. The Saudis already have access to nuclear weapons in Pakistan (if the Pakistanis actually have them) and will use them on Iran.
Idiot.
Iran doesn't have nukes.
Pakistan does.
Pakistan would never give nukes to Saudi Arabia.
Watch this Heartland Institute video
The point I am making is that that legal status persisted - in some cases for 50 years after the formation of the USA. In that context the first amendment clearly was not designed for the purpose to which it has become used - to exclude religion from state institutions such as schools etc.
It's clear that any policy of the states was not prevented by the Federal constitution as originally enacted. Coincidentally the Washington Post has an article about the continuing requirement to believe in God in 7 state's laws http://www.washingtonpost.com/... Note that these are CURRENT laws - though effectively disabled by the 1960s decision of SCOTUS referred to in the article. But it is clear that there was no compunction about religious testsfor at least the first 170 years of the constitution!