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FreeBSD 9.3 Released

First time accepted submitter k4w0ru writes "The FreeBSD Release Engineering Team is pleased to announce the availability of FreeBSD 9.3-RELEASE. This is the fourth release of the stable/9 branch, which improves on the stability of FreeBSD 9.2-RELEASE and introduces some new features. Some of the highlights: ZFS bookmarks, OpenSSL 0.9.8za, OpenSSH 6.6p1, SNI, BIND 9.9.5. For a complete list of new features and known problems, please see the online release notes and errata list.

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  1. Haven't used FreeBSD in years. by mateo650 · · Score: 1

    Will it run well on an ARM based TV Stick / BOX ?

    1. Re:Haven't used FreeBSD in years. by mi · · Score: 4, Informative
      There is a FreeBSD/arm project. Whether it will work on your particular hardware — and recognize all of the peripherals you care for, that's another topic...

      It is a "Tier 2" — so there are no official builds for it, for example.

      It is a "Tier 1" for NetBSD, so you may have better luck there. They even distinguish between "ARM evaluation boards" (evbarm) and "StrongARM based Windows CE PDA machines" (hpcarm). I'm sure, OpenBSD is similar in this regard, but I'm tired of copy-pasting links...

      --
      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    2. Re:Haven't used FreeBSD in years. by Desler · · Score: 1

      ARM is a Tier 2 architecture for FreeBSD so I wouldn't get my hopes up too far, but you might get lucky.

      http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en_...

    3. Re:Haven't used FreeBSD in years. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It does seem odd to have non-PC ports, since FreeBSD basically began life as a 386BSD fork. NetBSD and OpenBSD are for more CPU agnostic over their history.

    4. Re:Haven't used FreeBSD in years. by Desler · · Score: 1

      Huh? NetBSD was a 386BSD fork as well.

    5. Re:Haven't used FreeBSD in years. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It runs well on Atom. I'm running mini-dlna, samba, apache, dns for about 8W. SSD for OS, 2.5" HD for data.

      FreeBSD 9.1-RELEASE-p3 #0: Tue May 7 09:11:52 EDT 2013
              root@merlin.local:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/MERLIN amd64
      CPU: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N2800 @ 1.86GHz (1866.77-MHz K8-class CPU)
          Origin = "GenuineIntel" Id = 0x30661 Family = 6 Model = 36 Stepping = 1
          Features=0xbfebfbff
          Features2=0x40e39d
          AMD Features=0x20100800
          AMD Features2=0x1
          TSC: P-state invariant, performance statistics
      real memory = 8589934592 (8192 MB)
      avail memory = 8227819520 (7846 MB)

    6. Re:Haven't used FreeBSD in years. by Desler · · Score: 1

      An Atom is not ARM. How exactly does that have any relevance to their question?

  2. Re:LOL by mi · · Score: 1

    OpenSSL?

    There is no alternative, with a license compatible with BSD.

    --
    In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
  3. upgrade of stable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    9.2 EOL has been moved to the end of the year allowing a longer migration period for those still running the stable 9 branch.
    I'm running 10 with zfs-on-boot in production. working excellently .. as expected ..thanks BSD.
    For the usual knockers, give it go ! - though i do admit that non-tier-1 such as ARM, could pose challenging.
    like all choices, fit for purpose.

  4. Re:LOL by laffer1 · · Score: 1

    It wasn't done at the time of testing. Besides, it's not recommended for use on non OpenBSD systems yet.

  5. Re:LOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    LibreSSL is not even a mature project. FreeBSD doesn't change things on a whim... well sometimes they do but they warn users like 2 years in advance:
    Dropping GCC for Clang
    putting LZMA into the base system (thereby screwing up everyone upgrading from 8.x to 8.3 and beyond)
    Changing all the version numbers in the source code for no damn reason.

  6. What is BSD good for? by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 1

    I know that BSD lives somewhere in the guts of my Mac OS and I used it many years ago only to stop because of a single incompatibility (but a critical one).

    So I am honestly asking, what is BSD good for. I presently use CentOS and I am perfectly happy with it but for some reason BSD has a magical "hard core" allure. So what I should ask is: what excuse do I need to use it?

    1. Re:What is BSD good for? by Voyager529 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So I am honestly asking, what is BSD good for. I presently use CentOS and I am perfectly happy with it but for some reason BSD has a magical "hard core" allure. So what I should ask is: what excuse do I need to use it?

      Three reasons I personally can think of. First, NetBSD specifically is a fork intended to run on basically anything with a microprocessor. CentOS will run on x86 hardware, and in the form of Pidora and similar, runs on ARM. Try it on an Itanium or SPARC or PowerPC Mac, and things get a smidge more interesting.

      Second, ZFS. Now cue those who believe that file system nirvana is found in btrfs or ReiserFS or HFS+, but I'm a huge fan of ZFS as a file system. If you're like me, you'll be using BSD in the form of one of its descendants, like FreeNAS or NAS4Free, where ZFS makes lots of other things much easier.

      Finally, the license. I'm neither a programmer nor a recompiler so my use of BSD licensed software is essentially identical to my use of GPL software ('free as in beer', with the occasional bug report). For purists and programmers, there is a difference in what is and isn't allowed under the respective licenses.

    2. Re:What is BSD good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It is good for.. a lot of stuff.
      I use it because it does what I expect it to do.
      There is a reason the private sector uses it. Some people use it because they are geeks.

    3. Re:What is BSD good for? by dbIII · · Score: 1

      So I am honestly asking, what is BSD good for. I presently use CentOS

      The largest difference between the two platforms is the capability of ZFS - rock solid for years on one and sort of coming out of alpha on the other.
      A second reason is you can use really crappy old hardware as a test box for it and it still works - for instance I ran it on a retired file server with IDE drives for a while to learn how to use it and it ran with far more speed than I expected.

    4. Re:What is BSD good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you are happy with CentOS, use it. We are not like Linux people, we are not out to convert you. We are not hoping you see the one, true way. I have never understood the concept where people are happy with a solution or product, and they actively seek out something else.

      For me, I was a Linux user goign back to 1992; I dumped it in favor of FreeBSD in 1999 and never looked back.

    5. Re:What is BSD good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      commercially, the bsd style licensing favors it's usage in nested or black box items. i think my apple airport extreme is netbsd inside. the gpl makes people share. sometimes that detrimental to your business model.

      The openbsd packet filter PF, now also default in freebsd is good value. adding to popularity of monowall and pfsense.
      bsd's make great infrastructure servers. and generally have low resource overheads. even includes a linux compat layer so you have run linux apps.
      firewalls, routers, time, dns, mail etc.. all those things behind the scenes, those yucky protocols invented 40 years ago.. bsd easts them up.
      Personally i find the general end-to-end ecosystem more palatable in freebsd. certainly for a server role.

      freebsd supports jails. the ports system, and now the improved package and update systems have really impressed.

      linux and distros like centos is great. however often the linux world can feel a little fragmented. the bsd world is a little more uniform. that doesnt make it right.. just different. :) in the sameway that sun, hp or ibm os feel to their admins.

      horses for courses. and fit for purpose
      try it, you might like it.. :) once you get past the text installer hahaha

    6. Re:What is BSD good for? by satuon · · Score: 2

      Second, ZFS

      From what I've read about ZFS, it sounds like it comes from science fiction. Built-in snapshots and copy-on-write, are you kidding me? Too bad there's nothing comparable in Linux. Well, there is btrfs, but it is not stable last I heard. Why can't they just port ZFS to Linux?

    7. Re:What is BSD good for? by satuon · · Score: 1

      One other thing I really like is how they use the Makefiles as a package manager, and how the Makefiles themselves are under version control. It's a really elegant solution, basically they created Debian's apt without coding anything, using only existing tools.

    8. Re:What is BSD good for? by WiPEOUT · · Score: 1

      In addition to Voyager529's response above, another major BSD is OpenBSD, which focuses on security.

    9. Re:What is BSD good for? by burni2 · · Score: 1

      Well:

      the chance not needing to start up many services to have a modern *Nix*Free*Li*net* OS
      that is running like a quick, responsive machine, three generations older than the one needed for CentOS.

      The "Free" in FreeBSD - is for Freedom: we choose what services our machines run, no fucking installer.

      The "Free" in FreeBSD - is for OptIn not to be Opted in by default.

      And the BSD in FreeBSD - stands for structure, clean, deterministic behaviour, not that clutter a Linux Distribution is built uppon
      (have a look at linuxfromscratch)

      Just download the FreeBSD source tree kernel and userland, you will recognize every source for each non-builtin-command is placed in a directory with a make file.

      If you want to alter something just edit the source "make" it, and install it in your system.

    10. Re:What is BSD good for? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I switched to FreeBSD after 1 year or so of using numerous Linux distros. Linux feels like relatively organised chaos, FreeBSD simply feels organised, there's a consistency to the latter that appeals to people not looking for bleeding edge programs.
      My main focus is OmniOS these days but whenever I jump back to FreeBSD I feel completely at home, ZFS, jails, ipfw, ugidfw etc. Can't help but feel Linux is rather esoteric, that feeling just doesn't exist with FreeBSD, simplicity and consistency are the rule of the day.

      Recompiling a kernel on FreeBSD is as easy as could be compared to the a decent amount of familiarity needed for a Linux system. Total separation of the base OS and installed programs are a godsend, for both backing up and management of packages. Performance, documentation, consistency and backward compatability are superb.

      Despite my FreeBSD favouritism, neither FreeBSD or Linux trump Solaris for integration.

    11. Re:What is BSD good for? by ratsg · · Score: 1

      Maybe I am just missing your /humor tag, but I thought the ZFS on linux thing had been taken care of years ago.

      http://zfsonlinux.org/

    12. Re:What is BSD good for? by satuon · · Score: 1

      No humor, I really thought it was not available. Is it stable? Why did the parent list it as a reason then?

    13. Re:What is BSD good for? by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

      Mac is the CEO's hot, airhead secretary (AA) who drinks double mocha lattes with extra cream and thinks her magnetic bracelet will cure her cold.

      Windows is the fuckup team member (nephew of the chairman of the board) whose output is so bad that build scripts were developed to automatically remove his code.

      --
      Great minds think alike; fools seldom differ.
    14. Re:What is BSD good for? by Bengie · · Score: 1

      There are many cases where the GPL cannot be used, so BSD immediately fits that niche. Many sysadmins like BSDs over Linux distros because the BSD tend to focus more on design than flavor of the month, even CentOS has more breaking changes than many BSDs.

      In general, BSD's tend to exhibit a quality over quantity mentality that attracts a certain group of people.

    15. Re:What is BSD good for? by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

      Also the ports tree is a joy to work with. It also offers a much more sane environment for editing and managing configuration files. Not to mention the excellent FreeBSD handbook and well thought out, easily searchable documentation in general.

      --
      Brought to you by Carl's Junior.
    16. Re:What is BSD good for? by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      It's stable enough for general use, but maturity counts for a lot with filesystems, especially when they're as complex as ZFS. It's also a third-party add-on rather than an official part of the OS which does raise some issues.

      Conversely it's practically the default on FreeBSD, and it's been available since 2008.

    17. Re:What is BSD good for? by Fweeky · · Score: 1

      Not really - ports doesn't even have a *concept* of upgrading, it's just uninstall/reinstall and hope you can work out how to handle all the dependencies. This is why FreeBSD's got so many tools for managing them - portupgrade, portmanager, portmaster, all with their own little and not so little quirks.

      We do have an apt-alike these days, in the form of pkgng. pkgsrc also has pkgin.

    18. Re:What is BSD good for? by ratsg · · Score: 1

      +1

      I am happy that this 9.x release occurred for the people who need it, but the 10.x version will install, out of the box, with ZFS root straight out of the box.

      Either way, you don't need to be the Amazing Kreskin [amazingkreskin.com] to predict that your favorite OS + ZFS is a big step forward.

    19. Re:What is BSD good for? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      I understand the concept. By getting other people excited about your favorite OS / band / TV show / game, you increase the likelihood that people will want to bother with continuing to make it.

      There are plenty of projects that exist because they scratch the author's itch, and will continue to be maintained even if their authors were the only person in the world using them. Something as big as a Linux distro, or enormous as an entire OS like one of the BSDs, likely needs a certain user base to make it worthwhile. As such, I don't care if everyone in the world uses FreeBSD. I just want it to be popular and widespread enough that no one starts asking themselves if it's time to pack it up and go home.

      --
      Dewey, what part of this looks like authorities should be involved?
    20. Re:What is BSD good for? by fisted · · Score: 1

      Yes. Except that he isn't a troll, and his information is spot on.

    21. Re:What is BSD good for? by epine · · Score: 1

      So I am honestly asking, what is BSD good for.

      When exactly did "honestly" become a synonym for living under a rock? This question comes up on almost every thread where FreeBSD is mentioned, though granted this is barely more often than its major releases.

      The first answer in every such thread for years now is always ZFS, but actually this just disguises how many people have been using it for years or decades and just plain like the way FreeBSD does things even if nine out of ten, or ninety nine out of a hundred, or nine hundred and ninety nine out of a thousand have different tastes.

      I get intensely piqued over the implication that there's a nuisance hurdle that needs to be cleared just for existing. When "honestly" becomes a cover story for living under a rock (or an equivalent not-be-bothered-hood) this ultimately seems to resonate as the main implication.

      It's especially irritating when FreeBSD predates all the Johnny-come-latelies. It would have needed to be clairvoyant to have correctly decided to not exist, so as not to strain the reputational resources of open source groupthink.

      I used to use an axe, but I stopped using it when I had to cut down a tree ten-feet wide at the base. I am presently using a Husqvarna and I am perfectly happy with it but for some reason the axe retains a magical "hard core" allure. So I am honestly asking, what is an axe good for?

  7. Re:BIND??? SENDMAIL??? by X0563511 · · Score: 1

    Give me BIND or give me... well, nothing. BIND of GTFO.

    --
    For large sets, this will be our guide even unto death, for the LORD will work for each type of data it is applied to...
  8. Re:OpenSSL by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    za - the South African release?

  9. Re:BIND??? SENDMAIL??? by Daeron · · Score: 1

    FreeBSD 10.x comes with unbound instead of bind, however this change is likely not done in the 9.x series because it would be a large change that would go against POLA (the principle of least astonishment). FreeBSD tries to keep binary compatibility and a consistent base system throughout a Release-Branch.

    This basically means 9.x and lower will stick with BIND whereas from 10.x onward the base system will come with unbound instead. Also i seem to recall there are efforts underway to replace the basesystem sendmail as well.

  10. Re:OpenSSL by McNally · · Score: 1

    Does anyone outside of the vanishingly small and shrinking circle of OpenSSL developers know what that number means or why they persist on inflicting whatever stupid, parochial numbering convention it's the fault of on everyone?

    Yes, why can't they use alphabetically-sequenced Alliterative Animal names, or maybe choose selections in no particular sequence from an unordered set such as large cat species?

    Sure, they could be clearer, but they're very far from the worst version naming out there.. Count your blessings.

  11. 2014 is the Year of the BSD Desktop! by wiredog · · Score: 1

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  12. Licensing does effect end users by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

    I don't code and rarely recompile. But I do take an interest in licenses since I find it has an effect in both my user experience and also my interaction with the community. This is what users need to understand.

    I buy older cars rather than BMW because I don't want to have to find an authorised garage and pay the premium to decode the onboard computer for the repairs. Likewise, a difference in license can make a difference. In linux vs BSD there are probably some difference which I tend to summerise in my head as:
    - if BSD can do it, then the functionality is probably safe in the free software world; it's going to be there in the future and if it's not then a company can be paid through closed software to fix the void
    - if linux can do it then the function is less likely to be something to rely on, but it's better than closed software

    "Finally, the license. I'm neither a programmer nor a recompiler so my use of BSD licensed software is essentially identical to my use of GPL software ('free as in beer', with the occasional bug report). For purists and programmers, there is a difference in what is and isn't allowed under the respective licenses."

  13. Re:BIND??? SENDMAIL??? by Bengie · · Score: 1

    I can't find the quote, but one of the FreeBSD devs mentioned that BIND represented something like 50% of all security vulnerabilities in the FreeBSD base for the past 10+ years. BIND is the OpenSSL of DNS servers, but it does have a lot of features that can't be found anywhere else.

  14. Re:LOL by styrotech · · Score: 1

    Besides, it's not recommended for use on non OpenBSD systems yet.

    It's not recommended for use on any system yet.