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Samsung Delays Tizen Phone Launch

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New submitter tekxtc (136198) writes Slashdot has reported in the past that a Tizen phone is coming and that the design and photos leaked. But, it has just been announced that the launch of the first Tizen phone has been delayed because of Tizen's small ecosystem. Should it ever ship? Haven't Android and iOS completely cornered the market? Is there any hope for the likes of Tizen, Firefox OS, and Windows on phones and tablets?

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  1. Yes it should ship! by houstonbofh · · Score: 5, Informative

    Just because there is a large competitor, you do not quit. Apple didn't and came from behind several times. Now if it is not profitable, let it go, but don't just give up and give it all to App/Goog(le) without a fight. Besides, 1% of a lot of people is still a lot of people.

    1. Re:Yes it should ship! by Dan+East · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apple didn't come from behind in the smartphone market. They created the market. Microsoft and Blackberry had the bulk of the market share, both based on old OSes that had been stagnant for quite a while with no real innovation. Blackberry didn't even offer a touch screen device yet, and Microsoft's could hardly even be used without a stylus.

      Apple introduced revolutionary new hardware - capacitive based multitouch technology - which IMO was one of the primary reasons for the success of the iPhone. The other was an OS UI built from the ground up for touch interface. That was a knockout combination.

      So no, Tizen doesn't have much chance unless they can bring revolutionary advancements, either hardware or software, like Apple did (and they brought both at the same time).

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    2. Re:Yes it should ship! by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Apple didn't come from behind in the smartphone market. They created the market. "

      Well, that's one view into the reality distortion field.

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    3. Re:Yes it should ship! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Really? There were phones with bitmapped displays and capacitive multi-touch screens before iPhone? Please enlighten us.

    4. Re:Yes it should ship! by icebike · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just because there is a large competitor, you do not quit. Apple didn't and came from behind several times. Now if it is not profitable, let it go, but don't just give up and give it all to App/Goog(le) without a fight. Besides, 1% of a lot of people is still a lot of people.

      You've totally been taken in by Samsung.
      Tizen was never meant to ship. Tizen is a threat weapon that Samsung cranks up each time Google thinks of asserting some authority
      over Android. Its simply a boogie man waiting in the wings in case Samsung doesn't get its way. It doesn't have to be viable, or even
      cost effective. All they have to do is trot it out and demonstrate something, ANYTHING once in a while.

      As long as Google plays along, Tizen will never launch.

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    5. Re:Yes it should ship! by davydagger · · Score: 2

      Samsung is the large competitor.

      Given the fact that Samsung is the largest, arguably best manufacturer of android phones, they are litterally competing against another department in the same company.

      You have one giant South Korean buerocracy, where they have to compete within the company for the CEO/Board's attention/funding against the companies big money maker.

      Tizen is never going to ship a phone, ever.

    6. Re:Yes it should ship! by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      They'd sold thousands of them. In a market counted by the millions that's very significant. Apple does that kind of crap. Take new technology that no one quite knows what to do with it, package it attractively, market it and sell the hell out of it. So yes, Apple did not invent the smartphone, just the idea that eveyone needed one.

  2. lol @ hope for windows phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Microsoft doesn't get it, Android is the new Windows of the phone world. Compatible & Powerful, thats it. Apple is the premium. What is Microsoft going to be??

  3. Maybe by Imagix · · Score: 2

    Maybe it should, maybe it shouldn't. Why will the telcos push/carry this phone, and/or why will end-users demand this phone? Good answers to these questions will help determine whether it should be published. (And note end-users are the generic people, not the techy people. "It's more open source" isn't a good answer...)

  4. Who says there can be only two 'ecosystems' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who says there can be only two 'ecosystems' If that was true Microsoft and Apple would control everything. Then Linus Torvalds proved that 2 ecosystems was not enough and people are still spouting this nonsense.

  5. Self-fulfilling prophecy by mrchaotica · · Score: 2

    Well shit, if you're so worried about the viability of the platform that you're delaying it, then of course you're going to have a hard time attracting developers!

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    1. Re:Self-fulfilling prophecy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers!

  6. Re:Well, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >>and Windows
    >
    > Yes.

        Hope of what? Of creeping up to 4% of the market, while losing MS millions in the process? MS has deep pockets, but they are not stupid. The only uncertainty is exactly when they will plug the plug.

  7. Samsung could make a big ecosystem fast by ron_ivi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If they just unlocked the bootloader on the rest of their phones and encouraged people to download and try Tizen on their formerly-android phones, it could grow the ecosystem fast. Just market it as a "now with no google spyware" phone, and I think many will go for it.

  8. Re:Well, by sideslash · · Score: 2

    With regard to Windows Phone you may have a point. Microsoft and Nokia have really aggressively pursued the low end of smartphones, particularly outside the USA, and have been seeing some traction in terms of devices sold.

    However, in terms of profits, it's pretty much Apple and Samsung [running Android]. Bleeding millions of dollars has certainly done something, but I'm not sure what Microsoft's plan for the endgame is at this point.

  9. Re:No ! Try not ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Never learn how do if never try. Full of shit Yoda is.

  10. Tizen was just a strategic threat by pieterh · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Samsung never intended to release a Tizen phone. They were the ones who leaked the design and photos. The whole point of Tizen was to get a stick against Google, after they bought Motorola. Samsung are/were paranoid that Google would give Motorola preferential treatment, and that Android was becoming a toxic platform for them. Tizen was their insurance. Google got the message and Samsung killed most of their Tizen team and went back to focusing on Android.

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  11. I sure hope these ship! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I am tired of Google's insistence I owning and tracking everything I do, and I would be happy to leave them behind for my own privacy benefit. I have no desire to move to Apple's walled garden either. I want the flexibility to do what I want with my device, and the privacy to know that my personal data and habits are not being tracked for the purposes of trying to sell me more crap I don't want.

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  12. Re:No ! Try not ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    What I meant with this (arguably crappy) citation is that if Samsung wants to try Tizen, they
      must embrace it fully, put all their weight, spends years and billions of dollars on it.

    Making an obscure handset with no application is pointless.

    It is not just about marketing. They must bet a lot, or decide to not even try.

  13. "Killer app" by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 2

    We have apparently forgotten that exclusive apps happen. If the most awesome value prop for an app in the world is on Tizen, then there will be a Tizen market.

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  14. Re:Tizen definition by houstonbofh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Or, not... That may work in Germany. I have seen what they call porn...

  15. Windows Phone? by jbolden · · Score: 2

    (from article) Is there any hope for the likes of Tizen, Firefox OS, and Windows on phones and tablets?

    How did Windows Phone get in that group. That's the 3rd largest ecosystem and growing rapidly with multiple billions behind it. It has shipped and is shipping. Unitwise it is over 1/3rd of of iOS sales. Definitely 3rd place but not marginal, or non-existant.

    1. Re:Windows Phone? by wertigon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Because of the Carrier boycott.

      Windows Phone will most probably never see double digit market share. The reason? Skype. Microsoft owns Skype, the single biggest threat to current carrier revenue. The Skype/VOIP revolution will happen, but if you were a carrier, would YOU invest in technology that would kill you off, long-term?

      Tomi Ahonen has a rather complete rant about this topic from late 2012, and very little has changed since then.

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  16. The Jolla is already way ahead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    The Jolla from Finnish ex-Nokia people has already released a phone with the GNU/Linux-based Sailfish OS, which _also_ (after installing a proprietary Dalvik engine from Myriad) can run Android applications really well.

    So there's already a contender out there.