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Which Is Better, Adblock Or Adblock Plus?

An anonymous reader writes: Wladimir Palant is the creator of the Adblock Plus browser extension, but he often gets asked how it compares to a similar extension for Chrome called Adblock. In the past, he's told people the two extensions achieve largely the same end, but in slightly different ways. However, recent changes to the Adblock project have him worried. "AdBlock covertly moved from an open development model towards hiding changes from its users. Users were neither informed about that decision nor the reasons behind it." He goes through the changelog and highlights some updates that call into question the integrity of Adblock. For example, from an update on June 6th: "Calling home functionality has been extended. It now sends user's locale in addition to the unique user ID, AdBlock version, operating system and whether Google Search ads are being allowed. Also, AdBlock will tell getadblock.com (or any other website if asked nicely) whether AdBlock has just been installed or has been used for a while — again, in addition to the unique user ID." Of course, Palant has skin in this game, and Adblock Plus has dealt with fallout from their "acceptable ads policy," but at least it's still developed in the open.

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  1. None of them. by Badooleoo · · Score: 5, Informative

    Adblock Edge

    1. Re:None of them. by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Informative

      Adblock Edge is Adblock Plus without the checkbox on the first page of options menu to enable/disable acceptable ads.

      It's literally the exactly same thing in all other aspects of it.

    2. Re:None of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      edge sounds cooler. someone needs to make an "Adblock Edge: Bismuth Edition" with every blacklist enabled.

    3. Re:None of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which is pretty retarded because you could have just unchecked the box instead.

    4. Re:None of them. by mythosaz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, but entitlement!

    5. Re:None of them. by RJFerret · · Score: 2, Informative

      Adblocking Hosts file, doesn't matter which browser, even blocks MMO in-game store.
      http://winhelp2002.mvps.org/ho...

    6. Re:None of them. by Badooleoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even better is to redirect hosts on the router so it applies to the whole network.

      New clients on the network (such as friends and family when they come over) would be covered too.

    7. Re:None of them. by Arker · · Score: 2

      "Screw your acceptable ads, there's no such thing as an acceptable ad."

      You are entitled to your point of view. I personally do not agree.

      I like to expose myself to advertising. By seeing what is currently being pushed I know which products to avoid, which is a big time-saver. And the notion that some small payment comes to a website as a result of giving me this information is 100% ok with me.

      Yet I almost never see ads. Why? Because I refuse to allow random servers all over the net a free hand to run programs on my computer. And ad companies apparently have some sort of problem with using the web, the only thing they know how to do is javascript, java, and flash.

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    8. Re:None of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You might want to pay attention to those ads for those new variable-width fonts that make free-flowing text much easier to read.

    9. Re:None of them. by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2

      Wait, did you mean "butt entitlement"?
      That's a concept I can get behind!
      "Butt adjacent" is OK too...
      'cause slips happen...

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    10. Re: None of them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This.

    11. Re:None of them. by 0111+1110 · · Score: 2

      Which is pretty retarded because you could have just unchecked the box instead.

      Right. Until it autoupdates in a week and re-checks the box (for your convenience) and moves the option back to about:config or takes it away entirely. When a dev cannot be trusted he cannot be trusted. And Vlad definitely cannot be trusted.

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    12. Re:None of them. by Luckyo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You'll have to explain in great detail why he, who made his white listing process extremely transparent and even allowed users to vote on it, he who kept his add-on fully open source and under permissive license that allows you to fork it. And he who unlike those who forked it, actually continues to work on developing the add-on, while allowing you to completely turn off all of monetization functions with a single check box on first page of options is somehow "can't be trusted now". If you are this paranoid, then how could you trust him in the past? Surely you had no way of knowing back then what his monetization scheme was, and it was far more likely to be something really insidious rather than benign "just uncheck this box once and you're good" that it is today.

      So tell me. Why should I not trust him. Be specific, and try no to sink into the old "but turned the monetization options on by default when he implemented them (and I won't tell you that he actually warned you about it upon installation because that goes against the message I'm trying to deliver), that makes him completely untrustworthy" hyperbole. You'll also have to tell me who offers an alternative that is actually developing the add on. Whoever forked Adblock Edge is certainly not that person. It's still stuck in previous version of Adblock Plus apparently, because whoever forked it couldn't even be bothered to update his fork by copy pasting code from new version.

  2. I use both by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2

    If my customer has Firefox installed, I use Adblock Plus with it. That is also what I have on my own systems.

    If they have Chrome instead, I use Adblock. I don't use Chrome, because I don't like its style, but several customers prefer it.

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  3. Neither by NIK282000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If the ads on a site are so obstructive or malicious that you want to block them then stop using that site. Blocking ads only encourages site operators to use more aggressive ad serving tactics and resorting to that kind of subsidized assault on the user is usually an indicator that the site doesn't have anything useful on it in the first place.

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    1. Re:Neither by rahvin112 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The world is not binary. What you want and what everyone else will accept are different. Plenty of people in this world are happy to have ads if it means no money out of their own pocket.

      Your entitled to your opinion but that doesn't mean your not an idiot.

    2. Re:Neither by Morgon · · Score: 2

      Ah, except you forgot the important part that completely breaks down your argument:
      The 'random shop' in your case didn't ask you to wash their windows. You provided an unrequested service.

      When you visit someone else's website, you are requesting their content. You're not minding your own business on Slashdot while CNET is pushing their newest reviews on you. You generally have to actually go to their site to see them.

      I see you tried to mitigate the fallacy with your last bit, but it falls flat: When you visit a website, you are still requesting their services - their bandwidth, their resources, and everything that comes along with it. I agree there are right ways and wrong ways to do advertising, but just as you said: "The world doesn't operate on wishful thinking." It (for better or worse) generally operates on money. Advertising does that without requiring a direct cost from you.

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    3. Re:Neither by Morgon · · Score: 2

      I see you don't understand how the network works

      The point is that I am not taking or using anyone's bandwidth but my own, that I expect websites to do the same, and that advertisers are uninvited interlopers in a private relationship. That's what peering is all about. FIgure out how to phrase your objections within that framework and maybe I'll believe some of your arguments.

      What world do you live in? It's extremely obvious that YOU don't know how networking (or the real world) works. Networking is a two-way street.

      At nearly ANY provider (above a dime-a-dozen personal blog host), a customer absolutely pays for bandwidth usage. Sometimes they give you a little for "free" - but it's still metered, and you're still paying for some sort of account. And of course, any usage beyond that has a cost. And on some hosts, if you have separate web and db servers (which is needed for heavy data/traffic), they meter that bandwidth, too (terrible host? Yes. But the point is that it happens).

      I ran a website for 6 years that ended up with a peak of 5 million users. I co-lo'd my (eleven) servers: that's physical rack space (i.e. 'rent'), that's power, and that's bandwidth (not internal, but external. To the tune of hundreds of GB/day, even with 'optimized' assets and HTML). You can try to pick apart the explanation to spin some self-serving argument, but the inarguable bottom line is that these amounted to real costs - upwards of $1000/month at general cost, and that's not even including buying the physical machines. You're telling me I should have to pay out of my own pocket, out of the kindness of my heart, just because I built something that other used and enjoyed? I was unemployed for the first year I had built the site. It would have never gone anywhere at all without advertising.

      I think you're oversimplifying your stance based on some assumption that the only non-commercial websites in the world are some kid talking about his cats or making political rants. There are tons of interactive, entertaining, and/or heavily data-driven websites that cater to, and are useful for, some subset of people - ones not selling anything, and not backed by corporate funding. Advertising is literally THE ONLY avenue for some - possibly 'many'; maybe even 'most' - of them. They do deserve to exist. That's what the internet is about.

      If you want to go back to the 'good ol days' where every non-corporate website was a home directory on a university server, that's fine - Lynx is still around, and you won't have to deal with any advertising at all.

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  4. Chrome? by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The real question is: If you value privacy and dislike ads, why would you ever use Chrome?

    The entire goal of that browser is counter to user Privacy and choice. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, if you don't care about that stuff then I'd same Chrome is probably the best browser out there. But I do value those things, and in fact they are probably my #1 consideration when choosing a browser so I use Firefox despite its many faults.

    1. Re:Chrome? by asmkm22 · · Score: 4, Informative

      uTorrent IS malware these days. Try installing it without unchecking all the extra crap that gets bundled with it, then come back here and tell me why it shouldn't be flagged.

    2. Re:Chrome? by linuxguy · · Score: 2

      Chrome is my primary browser. Why shouldn't people be using Chrome if they value their privacy? Can you provide some concrete reasons, other than "Google is evil"? Some of us need evidence and not accusations.

    3. Re:Chrome? by syockit · · Score: 2

      My ass was ignorant too, but so was I with regards to Java updater, as I thought it was only the installer that had the checkbox thing. To my dismay, they resorted to bundling it even with security updates!

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    4. Re:Chrome? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 2

      uTorrent IS malware these days.

      Sadly true. I recently switched to qBittorrent and and though it lacks a few of the bells and whistles, I have not looked back.

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    5. Re:Chrome? by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      But I do value those things, and in fact they are probably my #1 consideration when choosing a browser so I use Firefox despite its many faults.

      So are you 100% google free? No Android, no Google browser, no Gmail?

      The reason I ask is because when I type something into the Firefox search bar in it's default configuration, shortly after it will appear as a suggested search in Chrome's universal address bar.

      It's not Chrome leaking user data.

    6. Re:Chrome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Chrome is by design a tool to report your browsing to Google. Why else should they spend money in it ?

      It began with Chrome Sync, which sends home your bookmarks, tabs and... passwords, and became better with the "Reduce data usage" option, which directs all your web browsing traffic to Google servers for analysis.

      If Google created it, it IS meant to get data about you and sell it afterward, like any other Google creation.

    7. Re:Chrome? by QRDeNameland · · Score: 2

      The real question is: If you value privacy and dislike ads, why would you ever use Chrome?

      Well, I keep Chrome installed as my secondary browser because I run Firefox by default in "hazmat suit" mode (ABP, NoScript, Ghostery, RequestPolicy, etc.) which does break a lot of sites. For sites that I trust, oftentimes it is easier to just use Chrome than figure out what I need to whitelist in which plugin using FF. In terms of using it as your only/default browser, I agree with you, but even for a moderate paranoid like me, there is a case to be made for 'ever' using it.

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    8. Re:Chrome? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Chrome is closed-source (Chromium isn't Chrome) and made by a company that makes money off the data they have on you.
      For instance, anything you type on the address bar is sent to Google.

    9. Re:Chrome? by zedaroca · · Score: 2

      So are you 100% google free? No Android, no Google browser, no Gmail?

      People who care doesn't use the defaults on almost anything, the big exception being Tails.

      I don't agree with your point as everything falls between 0% and 100% and those numbers are actually very hard to get. To dismiss people just because they don't do 100% of something they are preaching is a fallacy to avoid the actual argument. Chrome does leak your data and it is not a choice for those who value their privacy even a little bit.

      Just by using firefox with adblock plus and duckduckgo, will make you much less monitored than people using Chrome, even if you use google services.

      I'm at least 95% google free. Firefox with adblock plus, disconnect and kaspersky ad blocking, search with duckduckgo or startpage in the few times when I really need google. Rooted android with no google apps and adblocking, never connecting to wifi or data networks (it is still a tracking device but, as far as we know, not for google), can't wait for a firefox phone. The weak link are the few youtube videos I watch now and then, always on a private tab to erase the cookies as soon as I get out (so they only get me by my dynamic IP, assuming they are keeping a log of that).

    10. Re:Chrome? by eWarz · · Score: 2

      This. Actually qBitttorent is superior in every way. It even closes when you hit the close button!

  5. Or, use a big hosts file by drooling-dog · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't use Adblock, but I've been using this for years. I rarely see an ad unless it's served directly from the site I'm visiting, and it blocks a lot of malware as well. It has something like 16,000 entries, but doesn't seem to slow things down at all.

    1. Re:Or, use a big hosts file by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 2

      Mod parent up. A (properly) modifed /etc/hosts file (in case you're using Linux/Unix, don't know the Windows/Mac equivalent) should be more efficient than a browser based solution. I say more efficient because you effectively cut out one step in the web browsing chain, as links to the "blocked" web sites are simply redirected to localhost (127.0.0.) instead of being first handed over to the OS for DNS resolution and then blocked by browser.

      However, compared to a browser extension, the hosts files hack can't do wildcard pattern matching, so if you want to block Facebook, you can't just input "*facebook.com" but every subdomain like www.facebook.com, cdn.facebook.com, etc.

    2. Re:Or, use a big hosts file by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      > However, compared to a browser extension, the hosts files hack can't do wildcard pattern matching,

      It also can't easily block the newest trick - DNS aliasing.

      For example:
      doubleclick.com -- easy to block
      doubleclick.espn.com - hard to block

      And that's over-simplified to make it obvious, much more likely is that they use a hostname like "a1.espn.com"

      It isn't really feasible for smaller sites to use DNS aliasing for their ad-networks. But anybody site that is bigger than a one-man operation can do it.

  6. Should I do an ad blocker? by Animats · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm behind Ad Limiter, which limits Google search ads to one per page, picking the best one based on SiteTruth ratings. You can set it for zero search ads if you like. It also puts SiteTruth ratings on Google search results. It's a demo for SiteTruth search spam filtering.

    This Mozilla/Chrome add on has a general ad-blocking mechanism inside. Unlike most ad blockers, it's not based on regular expressions looking for specific HTML. It finds URLs known to lead to ads, works outward through the DOM to find the ad boundary, then deletes the ad. So it's relatively insensitive to changes in ad code, and doesn't require much maintenance. The same code processes search results from Google, Bing, Yahoo, Bleeko, DuckDuckGo, and Infoseek. (Coming soon, Yandex support, and better handling of Google ads within ads, where an ad has multiple links.)

    So, if I wanted to do a better ad blocker, I could do so easily. Should I? Is another one really needed? Are the headaches of running one worth it?

  7. Mu by sootman · · Score: 5, Informative

    /etc/hosts

    Install once, update if you care to, but it's not essential. Requires no configuration after installation, works for ALL browsers on your system with no setup, does not require the browser to "support" it in any way (i.e., extensions), never ever gets broken by browser updates, works on ancient computers with grossly out-of-date browsers. Works with ANY tcp/ip-based app on your system, really, so it lowers vectors for IM apps, Acrobat, etc.

    The first computer I used it on was an 800 MHz G3 iBook with 640 MB RAM. Some people may say a large hosts file will slow down your computer, but I've never seen that happen myself in over a decade of using it on literally every computer I have.

    It may not block EVERY ad like a dedicated extension does, but it comes really really close, and I like the fact that it works with all browsers and never requires updating. When I get a new computer, I put the hosts file on and pretty much never touch it again. A handful of sites (like hulu) will not work with an adblocker and it's a manual process to edit the file, but for unix types, that's not a problem. It blocks google's sponsored links so you may need to take that out too, for people who google "sears" and click the first (sponsored) link instead of the first actual link.

    No reason not to do security in layers and use it WITH adblocking extensions, I suppose, but I've never felt the need to.

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  8. Re:Reject all proprietary software and "choice" to by sd4f · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But there is a strong misconception that android is still FOSS. The phrase that comes to mind is the rug has been pulled from under them. I was surprised to learn to what lengths google has gone to lock down android. It was certainly a huge reason as to why a lot of the tech sector was pushing android in the early days (nothing gets the tech sector weaker in the knees than FOSS). While you are right, that users don't care, google has performed a massive bait and switch.

  9. Re:Reject all proprietary software and "choice" to by jeIIomizer · · Score: 2

    The TSA has been around for a while, too. People don't seem to care about privacy, fundamental liberties, or software freedom. Does that make those things bad or unimportant? No. It just means that people are ignorant.

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  10. Re:Reject all proprietary software and "choice" to by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    Are you aware of Cyanogen? Did you know that you can buy high end phones with Cyanogen as the default OS? Cyanogen is built from AOSP and is fully free. It also supports extensive ad-blocking and app permission control, way beyond what any other mobile OS offers.

    In what way exactly is Android not free? You can build and run it perfectly well without the Google apps, as Cyanogen and many others do. The resulting OS is fully featured and compatible, and can be distributed commercial without permission from Google.

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