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Study Finds That Astronauts Are Severely Sleep Deprived

sciencehabit (1205606) writes "Researchers tracked the sleep patterns of 85 crew members aboard the International Space Station and space shuttle and found that despite an official flight schedule mandating 8.5 hours of sleep per night, they rarely got more than five. In fact, getting a full night's rest was so difficult that three-quarters of shuttle mission crew members used sleep medication, and sometimes entire teams were sedated on the same night. Given that sleep deprivation contributes to up to 80% of aviation accidents, it's important to better understand why sleep is so difficult in space, the authors say."

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  1. how dark can it be on the ISS? by ChipMonk · · Score: 0

    If it isn't really dark, with all the indicator lights extinguished, how well can one expect to sleep? Even a single blue power light on a PC is enough to interfere with REM. And, if the windows aren't totally blacked, having a sunrise-sunset every 45 minutes can't help, either.

    1. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by WillgasM · · Score: 2, Informative

      They sleep in little padded pods. I'm pretty sure they can go pitch black.

    2. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Oh, I hate blue LEDs. When they first came out I thought they were so awesome, then I mistakenly bought an alarmclock that had a blue display. Two layers of automotive window tint later and I still couldn't stand it, had to switch back to red. The blue one now lives out in the tool shed so that its radio can be used while doing yard work.

      As to the astronauts' problems, I expect that between the hum of equipment, the extremely short orbital period the station has, the feeling of weightlessness from a sensory perspective, and the effects of weightlessness from a biological perspective probably all make it much harder to sleep. Until we get some kind of centripetal acceleration thing going and get a station up into something closer to geostationary orbit it's probably not going to get any better.

      And yes, I am aware of how expensive it is to send mass up to geostationary as opposed to low earth orbit. That doesn't change the need to do that to get our space program out of danger of just falling out of the sky.

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    3. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by Pliny · · Score: 4, Funny

      With the exception of the cosmic rays shooting through their eyes....

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    4. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by MachDelta · · Score: 3, Informative

      Parent is probably referring to Cosmic ray visual phenomena

    5. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by sillybilly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree that sensory deprivation must be the cause of sleeplessness for the astronauts. I for one have a hard time sleeping without any covers, no matter how hot the weather is, and I may be sweating, but I can't sleep without something pressing down on my skin, and even in the heat, a simple thin bedsheet, which is much colder, is not as good from the comfortable pressure feeling perspective, as a thicker sleeping bag material, except for the heat part, so I do use the thin sheets when I have to, but if in any way bearable, even if very hot, I go for the sleeping bag material. Modern camping sleeping bags from Walmart are nice in that you can wash and dry them very fast, and they take full strength dose of bleach in the washer, and do not degrade, unlike colored traditional linen or even white linen that yellow after prolonged numerous bleachings, plus they are too heavy, and not soft, fluffy enough. Old school goose feather packed fluffy beddings are very thick (and for that they may cause sweating in the summer but work in extreme winter without stove heat in single layer as opposed to Walmart sleeping bags needing to be doubled or tripled up to build the thickness), but harder to wash, bleach and dry.

      In the weightlessness of space nothing presses against the body and skin to any degree. I could not sleep well like that. One way to solve it is to take a 55 gallon drum, or something bigger, and spin it, create microgravity like that, but the air friction becomes an issue, plus dizziness from uneven centrifugal forces as small radii, compared to a 300 meter radius spinning cylinder space station. Another way to create skin pressure is to use inflatable things, that look like sleeping bags, inflated to just the right pressure, not too tight, not too loose, just comfortable. I used to have inflatable air beds from walmart, and they were awesome comfortable down here in Earth's gravity, especially when they haven't been inflated for days or weeks, and slightly deflated, but without exception somebody comes into the house and pokes a hole into them when I'm not at home, or when I'm asleep, to where they end up totally deflated and it feels as if you are sleeping on the bare hard floor. So inflatable sleeping bags for now, maybe some kind of small radius slow spinning device that does not cause too much dizziness, and 300 meter radius rotating space stations with sleeping bags in the future, is the solution. That's my 2 cents, or more like 2.1 cents due to inflation.

    6. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by dangle · · Score: 1

      This phenomenon also seems to occur in the darkness of caves as well.

    7. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      Most likely it happens all the time; it's just not noticeable under common conditions. As with so many other sensory phenomena, it gets drowned out by noise from other sources.

      Granted, however, it's going to happen more often in orbit.

    8. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      I agree that sensory deprivation must be the cause of sleeplessness for the astronauts.

      I agree that it may be a contributory factor. I doubt very much it is a singular cause.

      ... I can't sleep without something pressing down on my skin, and even in the heat, a simple thin bedsheet, which is much colder, is not as good from the comfortable pressure feeling perspective

      This cannot be the cause. Again it might contribute but this effect is not just possible but rather easy to simulate in microgravity. Not exactly, you understand, but closely enough that it should not be a problem. Imagine a blanket held against you gently by elastic or springs. Or... by pressure on the blanket from the outside via extremely soft foam. (By "easy" I did not mean cheap.)

    9. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it isn't really dark, with all the indicator lights extinguished, how well can one expect to sleep? Even a single blue power light on a PC is enough to interfere with REM. And, if the windows aren't totally blacked, having a sunrise-sunset every 45 minutes can't help, either.

      Are you serious?
      I live up north (above 59) and from May to early August it never gets really dark at night. We do not have window blinds nor curtains and we all sleep just fine.

    10. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by hackertourist · · Score: 1

      There have been experiments in this area: one design for the sleeping bag had an inflatable ring around the bag's perimeter. When inflated, it pulled the sleeping bag taut to provide some pressure on the body.

    11. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You want centripetal acceleration and then you don't like falling out of the sky? Make up your mind.

    12. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate sleeping bags. It's like having your legs tied together. To sleep well I need to be naked in absolute darkness and quiet, with something soft and preferably furry to wrap my arms and legs around. And I need to be free to masturbate whenever I feel like it. Most of these would be hard to implement on a space station. Astronauts even sleep with nappies because of nocturnal micturition which isn't a big issue down here, but you wouldn't want drops of pee floating around a space station. I've also heard space stations are difficult to air. Maybe they can't sleep because of farts?

    13. Re: how dark can it be on the ISS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sleep mask?

    14. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by mikael · · Score: 1

      Maybe there are radioactive elements underground as well.

      For me, the best the sleeps I had were in a hotel room which had air filtering, blackout curtains and was on the end of the top floor, well away from all the other guests banging and clattering their suitcases through the corridors.

      But move to the same kind of room right next to the main hallway, and it was impossible to get a deep sleep, because there was always someone every hour who figured the best way to open a door that opened inwards was to hit it with a large suitcase. The same thing happens if the hotel room has emergency lights that come on whenever the main lights are switched off.

      Air flow could be another problem. Even on Earth, sleeping under a lie-in (sloping part of a roof) always gives me a sore head due to the lack of air flow. The CO2 seems to build up. The only way I could stop that, was to sleep directly underneath the skylight window and keep it open. Maybe the shape of the sleeping pods leads to CO2 build up.

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    15. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      Oh, I hate blue LEDs. When they first came out I thought they were so awesome, then I mistakenly bought an alarmclock that had a blue display. Two layers of automotive window tint later and I still couldn't stand it, had to switch back to red. The blue one now lives out in the tool shed so that its radio can be used while doing yard work.

      I have an access point in the bedroom with some obnoxiously bright blue LEDs. They're bright enough that you can almost read by the light it throws off. To make things even more obnoxious, the WiFi indicator blinks constantly once it's fully up and running.

      Fortunately, all of that is fixed with a strip of electrician's tape. It doesn't even look too out-of-place. Tape wouldn't work too well for a clock (my Moto X is my alarm clock), but it'll tame blue LEDs in most other devices.

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    16. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      You must be a woman.

    17. Re:how dark can it be on the ISS? by jhumkey · · Score: 1

      I too pitched the Blue LED Alarm clock. And have the windows blacked out, but to your other point . . .

      Yes, a spinning wheel for artificially created gravity solves one problem, but leaving LEO and the protection inside the Van Allen Belts for geostationary orbit . . . I fear you'd sleep better, but you'd be sleeping in a microwave, having given up lots of your radiation shielding.

      Water shielding or "building inside an asteroid" . . . are both currently unfeasible for lift-weight or maneuverability.

      So, its a win-lose situation for the moment.

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  2. Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd want to soak up every minute of it. Maybe they should look into the mechanism called: "It's frickin awesome."

    1. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      wow, someone voted this down to troll? it's pretty innocuous and pretty on topic.

    2. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seriously, someone contact these authors:

      Given that sleep deprivation contributes to up to 80% of aviation accidents, it's important to better understand why sleep is so difficult in space, the authors say.

      Causes range from slipping the surly bonds of earth, to floating weightless around a space station, to being able to look out a window and see the place where nearly every recorded event in human history has happened from a vantage that you would never otherwise get. Everything from showering to eating to pooping to masturbating is new again!

      I would probably have to spend at least a month on the space station before the idea of closing my eyes for an extended period sounded like a good use of my time.

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    3. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by thisisauniqueid · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I know Yi So-Yeon, the first Korean astronaut. She said she hated space. She wanted to throw up the whole time, and felt like her head was going to explode. (Both of these symptoms are caused by gravity not pulling things downwards, as well as the vestibular system being screwed up.)

      Personally, I have been on a Zero-G "Vomit comet" flight, and it *was* "frickin awesome" until about the 15th parabola, then I started feeling extremely nauseated. I'm lucky we landed before I needed to throw up (some poor shmuck paid $6000 for the flight and had to strap himself into a seat so he could throw up constantly into a bag after the very first parabola). However, I have never felt more motion-sick -- it was *awful* -- and it didn't subside for over five hours after we landed.

    4. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by StikyPad · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Excitement may be a factor, but I suspect fear and stress are the more powerful factors. Most adults don't stay up in anticipation of the excitement of Christmas, but they will lose sleep over upcoming deadlines, during financial difficulty, etc. I suspect it's pretty stressful being in space, between performing mission requirements, being separated from loved ones, and being protected from death by only a few mm of aluminum, not to mention the anticipation of re-entry. Add to that the lack of privacy and alone time, the alien physiological sensation of weightlessness, and restraints and tethers to prevent floating around. I suspect that comfort is in short supply, and that it may well be difficult to truly relax in such an alien environment.

    5. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it's not like its awesome. It's awkward, that's what it is.

      You sleep attached to something, instead of on something. You are basically floating. Then there are the many noises on the space station. Quiet, familiar sounds is what sleep needs. Otherwise brain will wake you right up.

      Sensory information (noise, floating not sleeping in your favourite position) is probably the primary reason that getting sleep is difficult.

    6. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by TheNastyInThePasty · · Score: 1

      I don't think I would be able to. Every moment in space feels like you're on a roller coaster drop. Your stomach constantly feels like it's in your throat. Not even the tightest strap can make your internals feel like you're back on solid ground. It would be amazing to experience space but awful to live there without some kind of artificial gravity.

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    7. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd want to soak up every minute of it. Maybe they should look into the mechanism called: "It's frickin awesome."

      I'd need every second to appreciate it. Heck, how the moon folks (I AM on the FRICKIN MOON !!!) do it I have no idea.

    8. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by sillybilly · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah lack space creates lack of privacy and allows for no masturbation, or quick and easy disposal of the expelled material, so it's not done for months, or for the entire length of the mission, unless maybe for females, that can use covert techniques like pedaling an old sewing machine and holding their thighs tight in just the right way, and then it can get addictive. But for both It's easy to go for months and months without orgasms if you have to, such as a serious business space station situation - though you might get wet dreams if you're near 14-21 as a male, though not when much older, say over 35, spontaneously if you don't masturbate for like 2-3 months, and they are a big mess to wake up to, even though you feel like you never wanted to leave the dream it was so freaking awesome, like why can't I have more dreams like that, til you wake up and realize maybe that would not be a good idea. Lack of space, and congestion, above all, is the biggest stress factor in outer space, because of the very small size of the space modules. It's expensive to get a spacious auditorium that echoes, or mansion up there, at least from Earth, though it may be a lot cheaper from Moon based materials. When I was asked in first grade what I wanna become when I grow up, I said astronaut. But I changed my mind since then, and I'd be happy living like Immanuel Kant, who never left his home town or traveled anywhere, but he still lived a happy life, and entertained guests from all over the world, so it's like he took mental trips with them. That's what media today is, I can watch a jungle video, or a Moon landing video, without people saying "you had to be there to understand." And get bitten by the mosquitoes? I beg to differ. I can watch the face of a person orgasming and I don't have to be that person to know how that person feels. You don't always have to be there, it's sometimes enough to just watch, from a distance. If they tried to make me be an astronaut, I'd be constantly bitchin about lack of space, lack of roominess, and they'd keep telling me to suck it up, space is too expensive in space, there is not enough of it, and at 200 lbs I'd be already more expensive to take into orbit than a 90 lb 5' 0" ft person, who can push the buttons and follow instructions just as well or even better, coming directly from Houston.

    9. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      I would think that it's the roller coaster effect that turns your stomach.

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    10. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      Awesome and awkward aren't mutually exclusive, and both could cut into sleep.

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    11. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      I never knew motion sickness existed til I took a single yacht-trip of my life, in very rough windy weather, and constantly thew up, the sunflower seeds that were the only thing in my stomach, I haven't eaten anything a whole day before it just sunflower seeds. I went below deck and it was worth, they told me it'd be worse, you have to be on deck and fix your eyes on a steady object in the distance. But I just felt dizzy and sleepy, and fell asleep on the windy deck, without a t-shirt, and I got a lobster red sunburn that swelled up pretty bad, and lasted for like 2 weeks, and it hurt to touch it with a plain white cotton t-shirt, for 2 weeks, it was a pain dressing and undressing. Obviously sailing is not in my veins, I wasn't born a seaman (though I'm born from semen), or it would take some practice and getting used to.

    12. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I experienced the same thing when I visited Tokyo for the first time. I didn't sleep for at least 50 hours after booking a hotel room and wanting to go back outside and explore all the backstreets and neon-lit streetways and places to eat.

    13. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by reverseengineer · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I read the Apollo 11 Lunar Surface Journal during the anniversary back on July 20th, and one of the entries that stood out to me was a section called "Trying to Rest," which detailed a time between the end of the astronauts' moonwalk, but prior to when they needed to make preparations to liftoff from the Moon. A period of about 7 hours was scheduled for the astronauts to sleep, but

      [Armstrong - "(The quality of the rest) was poor in my case."]

      [Aldrin - "I'd say the same thing."]

      In their technical debrief, Armstrong and Aldrin detailed some problems with their sleep environment- too cold, too bright, too noisy, but yeah, that they were also just too excited to sleep. (It does mention that most of the technical problems were worked out by Apollo 15, and the last few crews got decent sleep on the lunar surface. I'm still convinced that if it were me, I would have responded to planned rest periods with "HOUSTON, I CAN SLEEP WHEN I GET BACK FROM THE MOON, OVER.")

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    14. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever been skydiving? I have. So, we've got free fall. You don't feel like you're falling. You feel like you're floating motionless. It's not like a sudden rollercoaster drop at all (which usually is very short, bringing you near to something you can see/"crash" into). It's actually pretty nice, and if not for the wind and the sudden stop at the end, I'd feel fine sleeping there. I speculate that it has more to do with being in totally alien surroundings and tight confinement.

    15. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ladies and Gentlemen, this is what the face of insanity looks like.

    16. Re: Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have been skydiving as well, and I think you missed the mark. For the first couple of seconds you are in a true freefall, relatively unencumbered by air resistance, accelerating. But from then until you pull the cord you are basically no longer accelerating (in fact you are ever so slightly slowing down as the air thickens around you), you have reached your terminal velocity, you are basically sitting on a cushion of air that is pressing up on you the same amount as a mattress would on the ground. Comparing this to the weightlessness of space is a huge mistake.

      I would love to experience space. I have a feeling I would have a hell of a time getting sleep though. I wonder how long before we do just build a spinning toroidal or cylindrical station for the astronauts like they always have in sci-fi. Clearly our bodies just aren't designed to be weightless.

    17. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My personality is captured in the sphere flying in the background.

    18. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by wisnoskij · · Score: 2

      I have never understood this sentiment.
      It is like no one even understands space. It is like everyone is blinded my the laserwork of star trek space battles. It is, by definition, the most boring place in the universe; Bar none.

      It is not subjectively boring like a poetry reading, it is objectively boring. And not only boring, but, again, the most boring place in the universe, by definition. The place where, by definition, nothing ever happens and nothing ever is, or at least relatively nothing compared to everything not-space.

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    19. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by musth · · Score: 1

      This is my favorite comment from slashdot ever.

    20. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Panoptes · · Score: 0

      "I'd want to soak up every minute of it. Maybe they should look into the mechanism called: "It's frickin awesome" How on earth did such a vacuous comment get modded +5 insightful?

    21. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      If anyone who wants to go sailing read this - Sit in the back of the yacht, don't go inside, do put on a hat and shirt, do use sunscreen. Always look horizontally, try not to look down and NEVER look up. After a few days, you'll be used to it, unless you don't heed the previous, get seasick and consequently never get used to it. My guess is that space is like being inside the cramped cabin of a yacht, while suspended upside down.

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    22. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay stream of consciousness! I don't know what you do with what you choose to call excreted material from masturbation, I always eat it, it's yummy! I wonder how a female astronaut would explain why she needs her old sewing machine in space, those fuckers are heavy. Oh and that old Kant you mention, he didn't get out of the house because his sense of aesthetics commanded Eulerian tours and they just weren't an option where he lived.

    23. Re: Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by wagnerrp · · Score: 1

      For the first couple of seconds you are in a true freefall, relatively unencumbered by air resistance, accelerating.

      You're already experiencing significant drag when you jump out of that aircraft at 100 knots. You're only in something closely resembling freefall when you jump from a balloon, or base jump.

    24. Re:Would YOU be able to sleep in space?? by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      You must be a guy. Eww. Or maybe not, because only women get off on eating that crap. They say the Creator must be male, else sperm would taste like chocolate, or vanilla. But not many females care about silly things like Eulerian tours, so you must be a guy, after all.

      There was a survey about color blindness earlier on /., and a fairly high percentage said they were color blind, in a percentage high enough to think that almost 100%, if not at least 70% or 80% of posters on here are male, as color blindness is very rare in females. A bug needs good color vision to find a flower with the compound eyes, also a monkey to estimate the ripeness of banana from a distance, but dogs are all color blind, so for a predator it may not be important to see ripeness, compared to motion, and color might get in the way. And of the sexes, the males are the more predatory or war-like, and color blindness may not make such a big difference. In particular back in the day I used to watch black and white TV just fine, no big deal, and even these days some porn pictures on the Internet are posted black and white, and to me they look just as good as the colored ones, as far as the things that matter in it are concerned. It's nice to have color, but a lot of sculptors of nude bodies, like ancient Greek nude ones, don't bother painting their sculptures some body color, and they look just fine and sexy as they are, colorless.

  3. Wow by DougOtto · · Score: 1

    Apparently I sleep like an astronaut.

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    1. Re:Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Apparently I sleep like an astronaut.

      Yeah, no kidding. I didn't think five hours was all that odd these days.

  4. Did they try reading a book? by ciaran_o_riordan · · Score: 1

    That helps me sometimes.

    Oh, and no coffee late in the evening.

  5. 503 and 504 errors by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    Earth to astronauts: Go to sleep
    By Emily Underwood
    7 August 2014 6:30 pm

    It's hard to sleep in outer space. On the International Space Station (ISS), the sun rises every 90 minutes when the station circles Earth. Space suits can be uncomfortable, too: After landing on the moon in 1969, Buzz Aldrin reported getting only âoea couple of hours of mentally fitful drowsingâ due to the noise and the cold.

    Now, a new study published online today in The Lancet Neurology shows the extent of sleep deprivation among astronauts. Researchers tracked the sleep patterns of 85 crew members aboard the ISS and space shuttle and found that despite an official flight schedule mandating 8.5 hours of sleep per night, they rarely got more than five.

    In fact, getting a full night's rest was so difficult that three-quarters of shuttle mission crew members used sleep medication, and sometimes entire teams were sedated on the same night. Although, unlike astronauts from Aldrin's day, crew members now sleep in quiet, dark chambers, lack of gravity itself may contribute to the problem.

    Given that sleep deprivation contributes to up to 80% of aviation accidents, it's important to better understand why sleep is so difficult in space, the authors say.

    I used this: http://www.viewcached.com/http://news.sciencemag.org/brain-behavior/2014/08/earth-astronauts-go-sleep
    Yahoo is the only site that had it cached.

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    1. Re:503 and 504 errors by AK+Marc · · Score: 0

      The problem is that they are running in a 90 minute day, but sleep scheduling at 24 hour day. They should have more frequent naps, and less frequent "sleeps". Also, from what I can tell, the sleep areas need to be better heated, and maybe sleep in a water-bed cocoon to give the feeling of pressure from all sides, like on a bed with heavy blankets.

  6. sleep apnea by WillgasM · · Score: 1

    I wonder how sleep apnea works in space. It's hard to sleep on your side when there's no "up".

    1. Re:sleep apnea by DougOtto · · Score: 1

      Beware of flying drool.

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    2. Re:sleep apnea by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Since much of sleep apnea is caused by gravity pulling parts into the airways, I'd presume it less of a problem. Also the physicals they do before going may exclude those with such a medical condition.

    3. Re:sleep apnea by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      How about some space porn? Would people pay to see it? They keep looking for good commercial reasons to justify conquering outer space, or to get jump started, as a private, profitable commercial enterprise, so maybe you can add that to the list of possibilities. Every dollar or incentive counts, though I personally would not pay for porn, even if it's made in the weightlessness of outer space. On a rotating space station they could have one of the floors, or some of the floors nonrotating, with slipping ceilings and floors from the other floors, to where you could shoot stuff halfway across the room and see if you can hit bullseye. Or smack the water-droplet spheres floating in space around you out of the way that came from a very wet pussy. The porn room where everything is flying, and has to be vacuumed down every so often to clean up the air and let you see again, else it looks like it's in a standstill monsoon rain.

    4. Re:sleep apnea by peragrin · · Score: 1

      Not as good as you might think.

      No gravity means lower blood pressure, which means a softer penis. And then comes the deed itself. Sex requires something for the man to push against while the woman prevents being pushed. However in space there is little to grab on to and your combined motion s will throw you both into things.

      That being said I volunteer to try it out with nearly any woman who wants too.

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    5. Re:sleep apnea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That being said I volunteer to try it out with nearly any woman who wants too.

      That's just desperate. Try sunlight. That's a good first step.

    6. Re:sleep apnea by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      What he means is get out from your mother's basement and see the sunlight outside.

    7. Re:sleep apnea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In space, nobody can hear you snore.

  7. Want male astronauts to sleep? Get 'em laid. by leftie · · Score: 1, Informative

    Everyove knows how fast men fall asleep after they have taken care of themselves.

    1. Re:Want male astronauts to sleep? Get 'em laid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyove knows how fast men fall asleep after they have taken care of themselves.

      Yes, and the fact that the overwhelming majority of the astronaut population is male, I'm certain not one of them has ever thought of that before...

      Ever.

    2. Re:Want male astronauts to sleep? Get 'em laid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyove knows how fast men fall asleep after they have taken care of themselves.

      That's why men always bring Rosie and her five sisters wherever they go. :)

    3. Re:Want male astronauts to sleep? Get 'em laid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Everyove knows how fast men fall asleep after they have taken care of themselves.

      That's why men always bring Rosie and her five sisters wherever they go. :)

      If you're going to fap in zero gravity, please do your flightmates the courtesy of using a condom. It goes everywhere.

    4. Re:Want male astronauts to sleep? Get 'em laid. by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      Or astronaut hookers that swallow.

    5. Re:Want male astronauts to sleep? Get 'em laid. by Nimey · · Score: 1

      Or the old Navy trick: keep one sock under your mattress. Replace it when it can stand up on its own.

      --
      Hail Eris, full of mischief...

      E pluribus sanguinem
    6. Re:Want male astronauts to sleep? Get 'em laid. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm certain not one of them has ever thought of that before...

      The problem is that NASA's management has historically felt it necessary to act like the most sexually-repressed prudes in the history of America, so the topic will never, EVER be formally documented by NASA -- or even allowed to be discussed.

      Perfect example: a few years ago, NASA released a "vision statement" of the "ideal" crew for a Mars mission. It consisted of a few married couples who were all in stable, exclusively-monogamous relationships. In reality, we all know how THAT would end... or begin, for that matter. By the end of the first month, at least one or two of those marriages would be in ruins, with at least one angry, bitter individual who felt cheated upon.

      A few years earlier, the Soviet Union did a similar study. It was never released to government leaders for obvious political reasons, but it came to the opposite conclusion -- an ideal crew for a long-term space flight would be overwhelmingly bisexual, of comparable age and attractiveness, and 2/3 male... with NO pre-existing relationships, and a crew that regarded guilt-free recreational sex as an inherently desirable goal. The smaller the crew, the more important for "everyone to be mutually-attracted to everybody on board".

      The most important thing to take from this is that NASA would have never dared to even allow such a discussion to take place, internal or not. The moment one of its managers even HEARD the word "bisexual" or "recreational sex", all discussion would have ceased.

      At the end of the day, an ideal long-term crew would have a 2-year swinging bisexual sex party whose individual members felt equally entitled to 69 with someone convenient, or spend the night reading a good book if that's what they felt like doing instead.

  8. Cosmic Ray Visual Phenomena by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is nothing new, and is surely not news; perhaps quantifying it and writing an article for a magazine bleeding subscribers is relevant, but this has been discussed since mankind breached the outer limits of the atmosphere.

    Blindingly obvious link for anybody with a Freshman-Year level physics course: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray_visual_phenomena

  9. Probably because of all the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Aliens probing them. I know that I would have a hard time sleeping.

    Unless it was a sexy tentacled alien probing me with its slimy sticky gooey dropping hot ovipositor.

    1. Re:Probably because of all the... by PPH · · Score: 1

      I'd find it particularly difficult to sleep wearing a facehugger. Its probably almost as bad as when the cat decides to flop down on my head at night.

      --
      Have gnu, will travel.
    2. Re:Probably because of all the... by sillybilly · · Score: 0

      Also, there are natural life cycles, like bugs. Some bees maintain a temperature inside a hive through a winter, but other ones, that have hives numbering in the few tens of individuals, like bumble bees, instead of the few thousands, like domestic honey bees, only have the young freshly hatched queens mate then bury in a hole and hibernate through the winter to start a new hive in the spring, and everyone else dies, including the workers and males. So I would not get involved in helping these other bees survive too, or the male bees that regularly get tossed out of the hive before the winter, I would not go around the world and find them all and provide them with food and shelter and warmth, so they can live out their life and die a natural death instead, for all males bees from all over the world, that's a highly unrealistic thing to even think about, just like I would not get involved with making salmon that had just mated, keep on living out the rest of their lives in some useful way, or black widow spiders not eat their males after mating, or even earthworms, when they detect the weather getting cold, they start laying eggs like crazy, and just dying, that's how they economically deal with cold. So exposing them to cold is like a way of torturing them, or triggering that reaction, but if you make money off of it, it might be something that, well, is up in the air. But not done for pleasure, as if you were doing the same thing as a volunteer. It's still less harm than done in BIO 101 lab across the world, subject Dissection 101, as done with worms and frogs. Also, worker bees with "hygienic" mutations can detect infected pupae while they are sealed up in a honey comb, and extract and eat it for protein, before the infection such as a mite, matures, hatches, and proliferates inside the hive. That's right, they eat their own kind, not wasting protein, and push life forward, even if they themselves don't reproduce or get orgasms at all. As such an activity is beneficial for future life, but fucking an animal, even an intelligent space creature, that can give consent, does not have much to do with pushing life forward, unlike some bondage bdsm sex, that can get off the partner and result in a child too. But we live in the day and age of same sex marriages, that have nothing to do with pushing life forward, other than pure pleasure and entertainment, and with global overpopulation issues, it's almost welcome, and with good life, with great luxury, such things as survival hindering peacock tails and even butterfly colors and features, luxury items, like various useless but cute dog-breeds, can proliferate, and so can pure pleasure things, like same sex things, that have nothing to do with survival, but they come about as an artifact of the things that push survival. So when butterflies can afford to be pretty, when peacocks can afford a colorful tail, when same sex sex is socially accepted, because it's a time of plenty and luxury, even an alien consenting species might be on the table of discussion.. What's right and wrong is a very difficult topic. It's hard to tell the east asians to not eat animals live, like octopi and spiders, or even fish kept alive in the head while the back part is steamed and tenderized, and served like that, with gills moving on the plate at the center of the table, and everyone picks at the back part for a bite, or even party girls in the US swallowing goldfish live, or whatever goes down on mainstream TV in shows like "Fear Factor." or dog fights, or rooster fights (human boxing is totally different), and matador bullfights, all of those things are more wrong than fucking an animal, then setting it free, let it go on its business, in my mind at least.

    3. Re:Probably because of all the... by vux984 · · Score: 1

      I'd find it particularly difficult to sleep wearing a facehugger.

      You must be doing it wrong. Per your wikia link:

      " the Facehugger cuts off the blood supply to the victim's brain, knocking them out within seconds"

      You really should sleep fine. :)

    4. Re:Probably because of all the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi!
      You are obviously insane. However, I must ask you something.
      Do you write your codex of insanity like that, or you just haven't realized yet that there is a "Text only" option in the drop-down control?
      Thank you for your time!

    5. Re:Probably because of all the... by sillybilly · · Score: 1

      Thanks for telling me about that.
      I'm testing it out to see if I get newlines without inserting br html codes.
      Here it goes,
      let's see if it works:
      Tadaa!!!

      PS. Oh man, it did work in the preview, but now I'm gonna lose that edge of insanity that adds a special annoying touch to my posts, and people might end up thinking I'm just another sane person. Now I'll have to try extra hard to post blocks of text, without hitting the enter key. Oh wait, that's how I post anyway, when I started posting here in April after like a 4 year break, I tried at first hitting Enter and formatting my text, just to watch it all flow together, and I was too lazy to add the br br html newline characters, so I just started posting like this. Now I'm too used to it, and love how the anti-terrorist FBI/CIA newbies that have to read through all this get annoyed and pissed, and sometimes bitch about it. It's like special stress testing for them, so they get used to their job not being always rain and sunshine when it comes to etiquette and proper behavior, and they gotta learn how to get past these things and not sweat the small stuff, before they can graduate and move onto more important and truly dangerous crazy people who, unlike me, they actually believe in what they say, and mean it, and don't know the meaning of sarcasm. I'm still dangerous with the way I talk, abusing free speech, but I have good excuses too. Or not. Oh well, this is Slashdot, and nobody is forced to read it, unless they want to, or somebody pays them to do it, and then it's like if you don't really want to do it, you can always try to find a different occupation for yourself. There, I made a nice big block of text again, on purpose, without newlines in it.

  10. No shit really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have trouble getting a full night's sleep when I stay in a hotel during a business trip. Maybe they can't just relax and sleep like babies easily because they're, you know, flying through space at 17,100 mph, 200 miles up in the sky where there's no air to breath, in a tiny, cramped, tin can that's just barely keeping them alive in the most inhospitable environment humans have ever survived in. I don't think I'd sleep soundly, either.

    1. Re:No shit really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, I'm not the only one. I travel on business at least once a month. I hate flying so I am already worked up a few days before a flight, the night before I leave, I may sleep 3 hours tops. I get up at 3, I'm on the plane at 6 and in Chicago for example at 8. I work all day, and maybe do dinner and some drinks until about 9 or 10. Get to the hotel room exhausted, tired, and ........I can't sleep. I watch TV flipping channels watching the stupidest crap, I browse the internet, play games on my phone, I look out the window, I watch more TV and so on. Finally about 2-4 am I finally fall asleep and then I have a hard time getting up at 8 and the cycle repeats.

      At home.. If I lay on the couch at any time of the day or night any day of the week and turn on the TV, I am sleeping in 10-15 minutes. When I take a bus home from work, I am sleeping in 10 minutes. When I car pool, I am sleeping in 10 minutes. I get to a hotel tired as hell and I can't fkng sleep.

  11. I am a fucking astronaut by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...every morning

  12. What could possibly cause them to lose sleep? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I mean, they're only in a metal tube in an airless environment hurtling at 27700km/hr around the earth surrounded by objects that could possibly destroy or cripple the only thing keeping them alive. Who'd lose sleep over that?

  13. Sleeping patterns? by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't think there's ever been a proper study of astronauts' natural sleeping patterns in space. There are always more things people want astronauts to do than there are hours to do them in, so everything (including sleep) is very tightly scheduled. Nobody's ever said "spend the next week doing nothing but keeping your spaceship running, and do it on your own schedule".

    We don't know what effect, if any, the freefall environment has on sleep patterns. It may be that astronauts are so sleep-deprived because Mission Control has been scheduling things wrong.

    --
    "They redundantly repeated themselves over and over again incessantly without end ad infinitum" -- ibid.
    1. Re:Sleeping patterns? by Triklyn · · Score: 1

      and again, it's friggin awesome. I have trouble falling asleep too if i'm even slightly enthused about something. let alone if i have something on my mind. factor in the buttload of work, the idea that every second counts and the fact that being weightless might be the most awesome thing that a person could be... and well, I AM SUPER SURPRISED.

    2. Re:Sleeping patterns? by Alomex · · Score: 1

      Nobody's ever said "spend the next week doing nothing but keeping your spaceship running, and do it on your own schedule".

      Actually, that's pretty much what happened to Sergei Krikalev who was scheduled to return to earth in October 1991, but stayed in the Mir Space Station until March 1992 due to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

  14. Excercise by Squidlips · · Score: 1

    Their bodies are not challenged during the day

    1. Re:Excercise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Their bodies are not challenged during the day

      Physical exhaustion is but one form of exhaustion. Probably a safe-bet that they get mentally exhausted. Ever driven cross-country(8+ hours at a go)? Not overly physically demanding(unless you're in the Le Mans) but you're wiped out at the end of it.

  15. How many hours of sleep is enough? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "mandating 8.5 hours of sleep per night"

    Oh sigh. Last time I had over 8 hours of sleep a night regularly was probably in the '70s.

    People do not need the same amount of sleep... some people regularly need 8+ hours, others do fine on 5+. It's a question of age, metabolism, habits, workload, etc.

    If you mandate that astronauts must sleep 8.5 hours a night, then you should not be surprised that they do not quite make it! State that they should have 6+ on average other their mission and suddenly the statistics will look far less worrisome.

  16. What about the mental health? by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

    Do we have comparisons for their physical state before and after regarding how much sleep deprivation their bodies showed? Perhaps part of the reason that they had trouble sleeping is that it's less tiring to be awake in space or more restful to be asleep in space.

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    This is my signature. There are many like it, but this one is mine.
  17. Several factors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The ISS is probably the worst place to try and get some sleep imaginable.

    1. The noise
    It might not be apparent from recordings taken on the ISS, but the station is noisy as hell. This is because all the air inside must be constantly recirculated to prevent dead air, and the only way to do this is with large fans.

    2. Zero-G
    Even if you're psychologically capable of tolerating zero-g, your body is expecting a constant downwards acceleration of 9.8m/s^2. For the relatively short stays on the ISS, each astronaut has to adjust to not having that downwards pressure acting on them when they try to go to sleep.

    3. Danger
    You're floating in a tin can on the edge of space and if anything whatsoever goes wrong, you could be dead before you wake up.

  18. I blame Tang by BenSchuarmer · · Score: 1

    that stuff is just too perky

  19. sleep meds by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sleep meds? And the whole team in one night? That can't be good or safe.

    Why not some fine pastries made with green butter? Non-addictive and more effective; mentally unwind as well as sleep inducing.

  20. I can't sleep... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    because my brains a-floatin'.

  21. not an uncommon problem by confused+one · · Score: 2

    Her experience is actually not at all uncommon. Many astronauts report being uncomfortable for extended periods because of the shift in fluids messing with the body. Nausea is not uncommon because the middle ear ends up filled with fluid and there's no "down" for the vestibular system to reference. People in extended missions find they suffer from discomfort of muscles and joints. They experience vision changes and bone loss. The human body is just not adapted to zero G. Some never adapt; but, astronauts being a group of over-achievers by definition, the hide the symptoms and don't report them.

  22. Free Fall by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Two words: Free Fall. Now, I don't know what true weightlessness feels like, but I do know what free fall feels like, which is what an astronaut in orbit is experiencing. Just like it sounds, it's equivalent to falling. The difference from jumping out of a plane is that in orbit you never stop. Now, I don't know about you, but I would need some significantly powerful tranquilizers to fall asleep while falling, even if I know I'm not about to stop suddenly and die. That wake up while falling response was hardwired into our tree dwelling ancestors to reduce the instances of death by broken neck.

  23. So is just about the entire military by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless you have a desk job or you are not on a deployment, I don't many military people that get more than a job 5-6 hours of sleep in a 24 hour period and the 5 or 6 they do may not have been in a single session.

  24. Post Mission Neurological Effects by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Remember the episode, not tv but real time, of the now-former Shuttle crew member, Lisa Nowak, who drove from Huston to Orlando to confront her sexual rival, Colleen Shipman, for the sexual attention and pleasures of another Shuttle crew member, William Oefelein !

    Ah, the 'Young And Sleep Deprived'.

    Or perhaps, 'The Drugs.'

    Ha

  25. Gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the ISS had gravity I'm sure this would be less of an issue. Spin that fucker.

    Seriously, I would bet 99.9% of the sleeping issues are related to the foreign weightless environment. Stress, etc, yes that plays a role but the biggest issue is gravity.

  26. Lack of gravity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    makes your face swell up with blood, putting pressure on your sinuses. I've heard its compared to having a cold. Wrap that into being in FREAKING SPACE, I couldn't imagine myself sleeping too.

  27. Sleep medication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great. More drugs...These numbskulls never heard of Ginseng or Blue light blockers ...Yoga....etc

  28. Melatonin! by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    Exposure to light (and in particular some frequencies at the blue end of the spectrum) fool the body into thinking it is experiencing daylight, and this actually affects the balance of certain hormones, like melatonin which is normally secreted shortly before and during sleep.

    Studies have shown that experiencing bright light (and especially, as mentioned, of certain frequencies) straight up to bedtime, not only after bed, is known to interfere with melatonin production and other less significant hormones. In some animals, it can drive their hormones so crazy as to cause tumors and other serious health problems.

    Humans are very flexible, and we can adapt to conditions of the tropics and (with protection) the poles, but it takes time to acclimate.

    I suspect that if they subjected astronauts to the same kind of lighting conditions and hours for 60 days prior to their stay on ISS, a good part of this problem would go away. Expecting them to acclimate to the lighting conditions on top of everything else, and without a prior adjustment period, is asking a lot of them.

  29. Sleeping for four hours by tquasar · · Score: 1

    I had an unusual work schedule and began sleeping for no more than four hours at a time. The effects where bad.. My sister is a nurse and worked PM's and nights and we talked about the toll it took on us. When she told people that she worked nights their reply was "Oh. so you just sleep during the day". The lack of a normal day/night schedule is really bad. The flight crews train for this but you can't erase your body clock. If you haven't done it you will never know what it's like. Imagine having a sunrise and sunset every 90 minutes.

    1. Re:Sleeping for four hours by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People do far worse. Imagine being on a submarine for 90 days with no sun rise or sunset and following a cycle where a day is 18 hours long instead of 24. People adapt. Of course gravity is still there.

  30. Gravity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Von Braun's original designs for space stations pictured them as huge wheels in orbit around the earth. Humans occupied (for the most part) the outer portions and the slow spin created an artificial gravity as also depicted in Kubrick's "2001, a Space Odyssey". Apparently all aspirations to build such a space station were abandoned entirely by the '80s. Given all the stuff we've already sent into space that has been allowed to simply burn up in the atmosphere (by design, usually), humanity could very likely have built the original design and solved many of the problems such as sleep and bone density, etc. To date, nothing has been done in that regard, and apparently nothing is even planned, insofar as I know. Anyone have good reasons why? Is it the cost alone?

  31. sleep by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    They should look at this: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazi...

    Too much crap in space research/science nowadays.
    All the NASA scientists who are proposing one way trips to Mars should go on one way trips out of NASA. That'll improve NASA. One way trips to Mars are a waste of money, time and resources. NASA should just get with the real next step and build a space station with artificial gravity. Not talk about stupid one way trips to Mars.

    Trying to go to Mars at this point of our "tech tree" is like trying to jump before being able to stand. Even if we succeed we will fall on our faces. And we won't learn that much for the effort expended.

  32. Falling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You try getting a good night's sleep while constantly falling. I wake up just having a dream where I fall.

  33. Who would have guessed? by HangingChad · · Score: 1

    In space no one can hear you snore.

    --
    That's our life, the big wheel of shit. - The Fat Man, Blue Tango Salvage
  34. Submarines by blackfeltfedora · · Score: 1

    That sounds a lot like the submarines I served on. It often seemed like I was the only one not popping Tylenol Cold or melatonin to sleep.

    1. Re:Submarines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When taken away from natural 24 hour light cycles, the body reverts to 6 on 6 off periods of wake/sleep cycles. Submariners have been experiencing this effect for years, which is also known to cause sleep deprivation due to the irregularities in melatonin production and limited REM sleep.