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Google's Satellites Could Soon See Your Face From Space

Jason Koebler (3528235) writes Two months ago, after much lobbying by the biggest satellite company in North America, DigitalGlobe, the US government relaxed restrictions to allow for commercially available satellite imagery up to 25 cm resolution—twice as detailed as the previous limit of 50 cm.
The DigitalGlobe's Worldview-3, the first commercial satellite set to capture these high-res images is set to launch this Wednesday. Six months after that, private businesses, including its regular client Google, will be able to get their hands on hyper-detailed photos and videos of the globe.

140 comments

  1. but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by davecotter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    doesn't that mean my entire face would be 1 pixel large?

    1. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by tysonedwards · · Score: 5, Funny

      Shhh... You aren't supposed to bring facts into a "ZOMFG SCARY HEADLINE!" debate!

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    2. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by bobbied · · Score: 1

      doesn't that mean my entire face would be 1 pixel large?

      Maybe two if you have a big mouth..... (Shush up Dave!)

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    3. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Shoten · · Score: 1

      doesn't that mean my entire face would be 1 pixel large?

      I think Slashdot editors believe that all of the readers must be profoundly obese chinbeards...as in, multiple chins, and a beard for each of them.

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    4. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by thieh · · Score: 1

      Well, for now. A couple of lobbyists and satellites later it will be able to get as clear as your cellphone camera pictures

    5. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Funny

      You've seen the graphics in Minecraft, haven't you? Pixels can get pretty detailed...

    6. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah yes but you forget...

      ENHANCE!

    7. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You know, some of us walk around with our heads pointing to the sky with a 800cm^2 magnifying glass over us. You insensitive clod!

    8. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you've got a 25 cm wide head, I guess.

    9. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 2

      You know, some of us walk around with our heads pointing to the sky with a 800cm^2 magnifying glass over us. You insensitive clod!

      I hope you live in Seattle or Portland. And have some Joo Janta 200 sunglasses and an awfully large Aloe Vera garden.

    10. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by El+Puerco+Loco · · Score: 1

      The mirror for that satellite would have to be several hundred meters in diameter.

    11. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That means your ass would be 2 pixels. Put your best pixels out for Google.

    12. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by flyneye · · Score: 1

      All the way down to their bulbous DDD man bewbs,

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    13. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      But the CSI folks will be able to zoom in on that one pixel far enough to see your DNA.

    14. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      "doesn't that mean my entire face would be 1 pixel large?"

      Americans have much larger faces, even their centimeters are 2,54 larger.

    15. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That's no moon"

    16. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by gweilo8888 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This. Ridiculous, fearmongering flamebait from Slashdot, something this site is increasingly becoming associated with.

      You know what Slashdot's editors want us to be terrified of the privacy implications from? Something significantly lower-resolution than existing aerial photos like this image.

      Download the image, and measure the length of runway 3/21 in pixels from threshold to threshold. (Approx. 6341 pixels.) Figure out how long it should be at 25cm per pixel. (4876 pixels.) Scale the image appropriately (7500 pixels wide.) Zoom in to 1:1 resolution onscreen.

      Now, are you terrified? No? Nor am I. Want to confirm I'm right about the scaling? Find a car and measure the length: it should be about 20 pixels, or 500cm for a typical full-sized US car. (I tried one, and the first one I tried was exactly 20 pixels.)

      So no, I'm not scared. What I am is mildly amused that the myth of satellites that can read newspapers from space still exists. That, and surprised that imagery this (still relatively) low-resolution was ever off limits in the Internet age. And a bit disgusted that a supposed nerd site insults the intelligence of nerds who know far better, this readily.

      I really should stop coming back here.

    17. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by nosfucious · · Score: 1

      Think I am going to start wearing hats more often now.

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    18. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      best comment so far.

    19. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Herve5 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Not specially. It depends on the satellite altitude. For low orbits, a 1-m telescope is vastly sufficient for 25-cm resolutions.
      Maybe you are confused with Geostationary orbits, where indeed enormous mirrors would be required to get hi-res (GEO stays interesting because of its permanence : only from tyere you can get a "movie"; from low orbits it's images "on the fly")

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    20. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like a box.

    21. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      ..and to be clear as cellphone pics from one meter it would need to be 10 000 times the resolution.. so?

      better headline.. "be able to tell possibly what kind of a car you're driving and what hardware some random 3rd world country has in their military base".

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    22. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Slashdot editors

      Are idiots who neither understand nor proofread what they post.

      It must be lovely to have a job where you can have been incompetent for over a decade and still get paid.

    23. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Maury+Markowitz · · Score: 1

      > Not specially. It depends on the satellite altitude

      If it's anywhere above the atmosphere, which, being a satellite, it is, then the limit is at about five times that due to atmospheric diffraction. You need multiple times the limit in order to process the results into something near your diffraction limit. That's why WorldView-2 had an aperture about 2m to get 50cm resolution. Plus it was launched sun-sync at ~700 km, which I suspect is where WV-3 will sit too.

    24. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by RNLockwood · · Score: 1

      Only if you're looking up in the direction of the satellite, otherwise it's your head that would be about 1 pixel. Of course it's unlikely in either case that your your head/face would be contained in one pixel so it would more probably be split among 2 or 4 pixels.

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    25. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea but fear mongering makes good headlines and its rather funny given all the people on social networks like Facebook. Its like saying your a vegetarian but you binge on Big Mac's. Yes I don't really like the loss of privacy but then again I don't feel that much of a loss since I don't subject myself to a data mining system like a Facebook. I mean, there are a lot of things people can do to protect privacy. But its much easier to blame a Google or NSA rather then doing something themselves. So we have all these articles crying wolf in one breath but feeding the Wolf in another. I supposed a lot of things can be used for good or can be sinister in its intent. That's true of a lot of things. I actually think a lot of technology can be used to stop crime, provide better evidence and locate people. Its being done today with in store camera's and public monitoring of streets. What are people going to do? Walk around with a umbrella that has written F You Google you can't see me!.

    26. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, after enhancement I found the guy opened a fortune cookie that had his instruction printed on it, and enhancing a few times can see the makeup of that paper and the name on the wrapper...

      Going to that place, was on the lookout for the guy who bolts when the cops show up,, took him down and busted the whole crime ring cop drama style!

    27. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      soylentnews might be a better spot. Also, we come back to read comments like yours.

    28. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by rpstrong · · Score: 2

      No, it's chins all the way down.

    29. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by flyneye · · Score: 1

      I'm still recovering from dining @ Carlos O'Kellys the other night and seeing the species in question polishing off a couple dinners and appetizers. " Damn , honey , look at that! His tits are twice as big as yours!" I had to draught two more Dos Equis Dark , just to finish some of my dinner.

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    30. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but give me 4 shots of the same thing from this satellite and I'll give you an image that has twice that resolution. 16 shots = 4 times resolution. 100 = 10 times. For a high speed camera I can give you some real clear shots. Using mathematical transforms and information from multiple shots and you can combine it to get much more detail than you would think should be possible. Bonus side effect is that it removes things like artifacts in the lens or atmospheric interference as well. And I was working on these algorithms 15 years ago...Think what others have done since.

    31. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I disagree entirely. I understand your points and believe them to be valid in the scope of this one product, but when combined, it's a bit concerning.

      Say for a second I'm with X telecoms provider. Say they supply my mobile phone bill and provide me with internet. We know from the German Senator
      that your iPhone provides your telecoms company with a detailed list of data points on where you travel, so they know that. We know that your ISP has
      access to the metadata of your internet packets. We know your telecoms company could talk to Google and request a bit of information, after all they work
      together everyday making the internet run. Google knows your emails, what you search and a profile tailored for your tastes built for targeted advertising.
      Google also has a satellite and a mapping service to break down your address and the context of the locations you visit.

      If your telecoms provider worked with Google they could:
      - Track your location from door-to-door (mobile phone, satellite)
      - Know what websites you're interested
      - Know who you email
      - Know what paid services you are likely to buy

      From that information they could build a pretty good picture on your day-to-day life, with a bunch of good guesses on other part's of your life.

      To add in Facebook you get:
      - Who your friends & family are
      - Where you have been/what events you visit (at times)
      - Potentially your past schooling, work history
      - Photos of your face and your friends & family faces

      If we throw in some big retailers (who have been tracking you indirectly for decades) you can get:
      - Your purchases tied to a credit card or club card
      - Additional physical tracking in and out of stores/malls.

      If you are the NSA and you can link this all together under national security or whatever, you pretty much can nail down whoever you like, aside from their own tracking methods.

    32. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      er, in my factory we build military observation satellites for Europe (which means: with less capacity than the US ones :-) but I can tell without disclosing national secrets that their mirrors are less than 5 times 1m.
      But you are right in mentioning diffraction : the diffraction limit indeed is what prevents you from getting submetric resolution with very small telescopes, for instance 30cm diam. (so: no microsats to read your watch!), but starting around 1~2m you get quite well.
      Like you mention, the next bother after that is the diffraction due to the *atmosphere* itself (what makes the stars "scintillate" at night): because of this glittering, which corresponds to an actual move of the pixels on the instrument focal plane, resolutions from space below 25-30cm are not reachable unless one would use actively compensating mirrors -a technology that's already complex *on ground*, thus really ambitious in space.
      I'd say, from a commercial, non-military spacecraft, the 25~30cm limit is there for quite a while, and will probably be abandoned not for bigger sats but for drones when these will become "more permanent"...

    33. Re:but... my face is smaller than 25 cm? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yo momma so fat, her face is..3 pixels on Google's sat"

  2. See your face...where your face is a single pixel by DarkSkiez · · Score: 1

    ...If you are fat.

  3. 25 cm resolution by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Your face will occupy all of one quarter of a pixel 25cm x 25cm. Good luck seeing your face from satellite. It is high res. But not so high as to see a face.

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    1. Re:25 cm resolution by tysonedwards · · Score: 5, Informative

      The average human head is 14.5cm x 23cm x 20cm, so you are quite correct that it would mean that the average human head would occupy less than 1 pixel regardless of which axis it was observed across.

      The largest recorded human head was 15.9cm x 25.5cm x 23.9cm, meaning that said person could require a second pixel, if they were observed in the appropriate axis.

      It is important to note that if a person was observed laying down on the ground, they would occupy *up to* 10 pixels in the case of the world's tallest person, but the average would only require 6.

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    2. Re:25 cm resolution by TWX · · Score: 5, Funny

      It'd be like first pass downloading interlaced porn from the BBS days...

      For those that don't know what I'm talking about...

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    3. Re:25 cm resolution by geekoid · · Score: 1

      except the St. Google has purchased are capably of much finer detail, ans they are lobbying to relax the regulations even more. If they are successful, then Google's Sats can see you face.,

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    4. Re:25 cm resolution by Kjella · · Score: 2

      The average human head is 14.5cm x 23cm x 20cm, so you are quite correct that it would mean that the average human head would occupy less than 1 pixel

      I'd argue a little differently, that pixel is primarily made up of your face/head (>50%). It's probably good enough to tell your skin or hair color, depending on angle.

      It is important to note that if a person was observed laying down on the ground, they would occupy *up to* 10 pixels in the case of the world's tallest person, but the average would only require 6.

      He'd be up to 10 pixels long. Actually 11 pixels, if you don't restrict yourself to tallest living person. But I'm guessing he's more than 10 inches wide, so I expect around twice the area except maybe the top pixel for the head. And more if you stretch out your arms, say two more to each side. So more like 1 (head) + 2*5 (body, legs) + 2*2 (arms) = 15 pixels, not 6.

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    5. Re:25 cm resolution by bruce_the_moose · · Score: 1

      Low res hasn't prevented people from seeing a face on mars.

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    6. Re:25 cm resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure they can. First, they have to convince me to go outside. Then, they have to convince me to look up. I understand that their satellite may not be directly overhead and can get an angled view, but still - they will get pictures of the top of a lot of people's heads. I guess there will be a brisk market in tinfoil hats with a middle finger being shown on the top.

    7. Re:25 cm resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While seeing your face is a bit grandiose, back when I worked on ARGUS-IS we were doing all kinds of fancy subpixel feature detection.

    8. Re:25 cm resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't they just launch from another country? I mean, space doesn't belong to the US gov.

    9. Re:25 cm resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't? When did we give it up?

    10. Re:25 cm resolution by darkain · · Score: 1

      So you're telling me that a Final Fantasy 1 sprite on the NES is still exceedingly more detailed than a human being captured using this system? Cool, we're good!

    11. Re:25 cm resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More like the squint trick, so it appears less blurry.

    12. Re:25 cm resolution by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      How big area of pixel is needed to reconstruct sound?

    13. Re:25 cm resolution by NoKaOi · · Score: 1

      the average human head would occupy less than 1 pixel regardless of which axis it was observed across.

      No, that would be low resolution. This is high resolution. Use a shot where the face is at the intersection of 4 pixels. There, I just quadrupled your resolution!

      Of course, the headline (which seemingly has nothing to do with the articles or even the summary) says see your face from space, not identify your face from space. If your face is represented in 1-4 pixels, which could potentially be distinguished as a face by those pixels' colors in comparison to neighboring pixels, isn't it technically seeing your face?

  4. And with face-recognition... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Using the Street View face-recognition technology, they can blur the face of anybody looking up at the time of capture, for privacy reasons. Hooray!

    1. Re:And with face-recognition... by Em+Adespoton · · Score: 1

      With 25cm resolution, they'll have problems doing anything but blurring everyone's face.

  5. Street view... by MindPrison · · Score: 1

    ...well, they can already see your Blurred face (or dog, incredibly enough) from any street anywhere. But from outer space, at least I'd have several layers of atmosphere, clouds and whatnot to protect my pretty limbs from prying eyes in the sky.

    Have you seen the weather data you can download freely? It's available from a satellite near you (or an internet site, if you don't have a clue like most people...yes they don't have a clue). The resolution, (high res MAP) is terrible. Why? Ever heard of atmosphere? It's so thick you won't be able to make out anything in detail, what you see at google Maps...is in fact as good as it gets, not kidding!

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    1. Re:Street view... by ShaunC · · Score: 4, Informative

      A lot of what shows up on Google Maps, especially in larger metro areas, has been photographed from planes. They're only up on nice VFR days, so there's no atmosphere in the way. Better resolution satellite stuff from Digital Globe will be nice to see, but aircraft will continue to dominate the commercial aerial imagery sector for quite awhile.

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    2. Re:Street view... by Sobrique · · Score: 1

      Especially now a UAV capable of carrying some quite high quality camera hardware is actually pretty cheap. I've been admiring the 8 rotor which can take a decent SLR on a gimbal. It's not exactly cheap by 'home user' standards, but it's a comparable price to the camera it's carrying. Compare to the price of a satellite and launch though... there's really no contest.

  6. Our they could use Planes by Flyskippy1 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They could get better and better satellites with higher resolutions, and continuously lobby the US government to allow higher resolutions to be released.

    Or they could use planes, and StreetView cars... Like they currently do.

    1. Re:Our they could use Planes by cheater512 · · Score: 2

      The planes imagery is what the western world gets already.

      This would be a great benefit to more remote areas however.

    2. Re:Our they could use Planes by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Does Google actually even own satellites, or are they just buying imagery from someone?

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    3. Re:Our they could use Planes by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 2

      Commissioning ariel photography is very expensive, is only done occasionally rather than continuously, and Putin would take a very dim view of you flying your plane over his army that he says isn't even there.

    4. Re:Our they could use Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the government is removing the restrictions that tends to indicate they already have access to even better satellite imagery capabilities. When that plane disappeared a few months back they probably had enough evidence to locate the crash but could not publish the information without revealing their true capabilities.

    5. Re:Our they could use Planes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need a law for whenever some anti-Russia dope manages to bring Russia / Putin into the conversation. A variation of Godwin's Law.

    6. Re:Our they could use Planes by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      They have (or had) a mostly exclusive contract with GeoEye for one of their satellites, though the US government held priority over that in case they needed access to the imagery.

      Google recently purchased SkyBox, and so may soon be launching its own constellation of smaller satellites. These will reportedly have high-res video capabilities, so it may be possible to watch traffic (or other things) moving in real- or near-real time.

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  7. Face from Space by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    i saw what you did here. starting a haiku?

  8. 2x the resolution? by Nutria · · Score: 1

    Or 4x the resolution (a 50cm square being 4x as large as a 25cm square)?

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    1. Re:2x the resolution? by msauve · · Score: 0

      Resolution is measured linearly, not quadratically.

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    2. Re:2x the resolution? by gavron · · Score: 1

      No. It isn't. That's why there are two dimensions to it.

      X x Y (see, two dimensions). That's not linear. OP is right. 25cm is 4x the resolution of 50cm.

      E

    3. Re:2x the resolution? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Resolution is measured linearly, not quadratically.

      Why? The surface of the Earth is two-dimensional (three, if you want to be picky), not one-dimensional.

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    4. Re:2x the resolution? by msauve · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Saying it doesn't make it so,, Googletard.

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    5. Re:2x the resolution? by Nutria · · Score: 1

      Are you in the habit of being an asshole?

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    6. Re:2x the resolution? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I read that, the line "People who live in Phoenix are Phoenecians" immediatly came to mind. I wonder why.

    7. Re:2x the resolution? by msauve · · Score: 0

      An asshole at least has a useful purpose. An idiot like you, not so much.

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  9. Detail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    25cm is obviously 4 times the detail of 50cm resolution, not twice.

  10. At this rate... by thieh · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Privacy will be a thing of the past in no time. The only matter is when do we reach the point of no return.

    1. Re:At this rate... by thieh · · Score: 1

      What kind of honest lives? We probably can't rule out the possibility that they can, in the future, tape your sex act at home from all the way in space. So in that case we should stop having kids then? That would get rid of most of the human race pretty quick

    2. Re:At this rate... by bjwest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What kind of honest lives? We probably can't rule out the possibility that they can, in the future, tape your sex act at home from all the way in space. So in that case we should stop having kids then? That would get rid of most of the human race pretty quick

      Thinking sex between consenting people is dishonest, shameful and/or immoral has led to many of the draconian laws on the books today.

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    3. Re:At this rate... by Collective+0-0009 · · Score: 1

      Privacy will be a thing of the past in no time. The only matter is when do we reach the point of no return.

      Start living honest lives...

      Yeah, but isn't it pretty creepy that it could be relatively soon when your nosy neighbor (and by that I mean anyone that knows your address) will be able to stalk you from their basement? In 75 years we have gone from the first satellite images to them being commercially available and nearly real time (at least daily). In another 75 years, it seems plausible that there will be near real time video of most of the populated world. It's going to happen for military purposes, so we might as well accept it into society. That's a bit unsettling. Nearly everyone is pissing off somebody at any given time. We're all gonna have to chill out a bit.

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    4. Re:At this rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Applying to be allowed to use higher res" mean some one already has the capabilities but the govt is artificially reqtricting access. Stop worrying about google and worry about those that already have the images......

    5. Re:At this rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What kind of honest lives? We probably can't rule out the possibility that they can, in the future, tape your sex act at home from all the way in space. So in that case we should stop having kids then? That would get rid of most of the human race pretty quick

      Who would be embarrassed that they had sex in their own home? Everyone understands that most people have sex. When anyone can be outed for doing something most people do, most people will be unable to hold it against others. People can handle the idea that humans have sex. Laws against popular drugs will no longer be workable. If any politician who says "X is bad" knows a video of them or their family doing X may appear at any time, they will not say it.

    6. Re:At this rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Privacy will be a thing of the past in no time. The only matter is when do we reach the point of no return.

      I know right? btw: one of the cameras in your bathroom, toilet cam #1, is starting to get a little shaky. We'll send someone over to adjust or replace it tonight, don't worry we'll let ourselves in.

    7. Re:At this rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're asking the wrong question. The right question is, "Who would be embarrassed if random people could watch video of them having sex in their own home?" And we're not talking about people watching, "wouldn't it be hot if we made a sex tape" sex. We're talking about people watching your most private of moments, posting them online, with standard, internet-grade commentary.

      Most people would be embarrassed to have people watch them *make dinner* under those conditions.

  11. Re:NaNu NaNu Man That Horse Was Good! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...and for those of you not up on your 70's TV shows, Robin Williams committed suicide.

  12. MH17 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, can we get the "evidence" now?

  13. Sensationalist reporting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This sort of nonsense sensationalist reporting belongs on CNN not slashdot - you will not be able to make out any feature's of a persons face on any of the imagery, as the deatil level will be 1 pixel per face.

  14. Japanese porn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...is shot from space?!!

  15. 4 times? by iwasacoward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it 4 times as detailed?

  16. If you think nobody's head is that big... by jeffb+(2.718) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...you obviously haven't been hanging around here for long.

  17. I trust them by penguinoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have complete confidence that companies will follow all laws even for things that are to be placed forever out of the reach of inspectors. Even if they could, they would never just put an artificial restriction on the equipment for when some clueless government inspector wants to do the pre-launch check.

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  18. Google already has high-res imagery by Guspaz · · Score: 2

    Google and other online map-providing companies supplement satellite imagery with aerial photography, and as far as I know, there are no limits on that sort of thing.

  19. Twice? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Twice as detailed, or 4 times as detailed?

  20. Google Street View by onproton · · Score: 1

    can see my face from inside my house.

  21. Umbrella by johnslater · · Score: 2

    And we're done.

  22. Evil doer? by manu0601 · · Score: 0

    The company whose boss said I should not expect privacy on Internet will soon have satellites. What could go wrong?

    Indeed with 25cm resolution they cannot recognize people, but they can still track their movements. And combined with data from smartphones, identifying someone gets easier.

    1. Re:Evil doer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The company whose boss said I should not expect privacy on Internet will soon have satellites.

      That is not what he said. Here is the quote:

      "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place,"

      This was in December 2009, as China's efforts to read dissident's emails were coming to light. There is a reasonable chance that he knew what Snowden told us. I think this was a warning.

    2. Re:Evil doer? by Sobrique · · Score: 1

      When you've got data from smartphones, the satellite imagery is largely irrelevant. You've already got a solid identification, location fix, and for bonus points - local audio and video. A photo of your hat won't make much difference.

  23. My White Naked Ass by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 0

    is much bigger than 25 cm. I am very happy that they will be able to see it clearly.

    1. Re:My White Naked Ass by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      No they won't it is too reflective it will just over expose the whole area around it.

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    2. Re:My White Naked Ass by the+eric+conspiracy · · Score: 1

      Even better.

  24. So don't look up by ignavus · · Score: 2

    I always walk around outside looking at the ground (don't like the sight of moving people).

    Google isn't going to film my face from space - at least, not until they cover the ground with mirrors.

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    I am anarch of all I survey.
  25. Sure by Greyfox · · Score: 1

    Pay no attention to the Google street view vehicle that captured your dong. Or at least, some dong. To be fair though, there are probably a lot of dongs on that street.

    --

    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  26. Is your face a rectangle? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If your face is a single color rectangle (one pixel at 25 cm resolution) than, sure the satellite can see your "face".

  27. No need for a Satellite... by danknight48 · · Score: 1

    Google Street View cars are doing a great job so far:
    http://mashable.com/2013/06/10...

  28. And the physical limit of resolution is???? by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 1

    Just wondering. If the resolution limit is imposed by a restriction, then what would a satellite be able to do if the only limitation was technological?

    I remember seeing a documentary about leaked details of satellites that could read the headlines off a newspaper in the early 1970s, but they would have had very low orbits and didn't stay up long, mainly because they would run out of film.

    1. Re:And the physical limit of resolution is???? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      I think the best that can be done with a single image is around 15cm due to the atmosphere. Maybe somewhat better with multiple images, although I don't know how well that works on a moving target/ moving platform except at astronomical distances.

      I once heard that during the Iran crisis back in the late 70's the imagery was good enough that they could identify the Ayatollahs by the shape of their beards

  29. Re:And the physical limit of resolution is? by Animats · · Score: 1

    From low orbit, about 25cm is reported for military satellites. Maybe a little better. DigitalGlobe is now at 41cm. Reading newspaper headlines from orbit is unlikely. If the military satellites were doing that well, there would be little reason to fly recon drones or aircraft.

    Once you can recognize vehicles, weapons, and troops from orbit, more resolution doesn't help much militarily. The next step, which is where DigitalGlobe is going, is more frequent imagery, and wider fields of view and more downlink bandwidth without giving up resolution. Digital Globe says they collect 3 million km^2 of imagery per day. That's only 0.6% of the earth's surface.

  30. Better with drones by PC_THE_GREAT · · Score: 1

    Hmm i wonder if they could use multiple autonomous solar powerred drones to give much finer details.

  31. At this rate... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    aerial imagery will never be a problem as these are static snapshots. They don't show anything private and the current rate of 1fpa (frames per annum) depending on region they don't yield enough data for anything unless you have really bad luck doing something really dumb and one datapoint is enough.

    The resolution in time is so much worse than everything else that is collected about you that people who want to invade your privacy use other sources and then point a satellite to the location they want to watch. You are tracked by mobile, financial transactions, traffic cameras and everything is reported in real time and apparently "nobody" cares.

  32. Blackadder by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

    Some sort of hat is probably in order.

    commercially available satellite imagery up to 25 cm resolution

    If you have a huge face, at least.

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    systemd is Roko's Basilisk.
  33. 50cm limit was on selling, not taking photos. by Moskit · · Score: 2

    AFAIK this limit was for _selling_ photos commercially, not for taking them. Those satellites could already take photos at higher resolution (25cm or better), they just had to be provided to USA government and noone else.
    50cm images sold commercially were probably upsampled from 25cm photos anyway.

    Limit was also only applicable in USA (obviously), and was changed to allow USA companies to compete with rest of the world as technologies advance.

    1. Re:50cm limit was on selling, not taking photos. by shortscruffydave · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Satellite imagery of better than 50cm resolution has been available from European satellites for some time. This is just the USA playing catch-up in the commercial marketplace

  34. Must Google stick with US satellites ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If the US government disallows commercial satellite images to have a resolution finer than 25cm Google could have contracted with satellite companies from Europe or India or Japan or Russia or China - they do not have that kind of artificial restriction

    If I were Google, I would set up a foreign subsidiary and sent up a satellite that can have far sharper image than whatever the US government imposes and then use those images in the Google Map / Google Earth

    1. Re:Must Google stick with US satellites ? by YoungManKlaus · · Score: 1

      im pretty sure you are also not allowed to _use_ images with higher resolutions

    2. Re:Must Google stick with US satellites ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      im pretty sure you are also not allowed to _use_ images with higher resolutions

      I am not a USian, I am pretty sure my country does not have any law to prevent me from using any satellite image with higher resolution

    3. Re:Must Google stick with US satellites ? by taustin · · Score: 1

      I am not a

      Google, however, is.

    4. Re:Must Google stick with US satellites ? by Shortguy881 · · Score: 1

      Industries in extremely technical fields, like space flight and satellites, are highly regulated by the US government. While Google could try going with another country's space agency, I'd be willing to wager that it is against several national security laws and tantamount to treason, even as a foreign subsidiary.

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  35. 25cm resolution by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

    Oh no! That pixel representing the 25x25 area of my face will violate my privacy so badly if I happen to look up at the wrong moment!

  36. Re:And the physical limit of resolution is? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By taking a lot of images of the same spot with small time/angle deltas and at different wavelengths, you can push the limits on resolution. It can also help to filter out atmospheric blurring.

  37. Beards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So, we'll now be able to see their ugly, tall beards from space.

  38. What do they mean (serious question)? by bradley13 · · Score: 1

    I seriously do not understand what they mean by 50cm (or 25cm) resolution. On the current Google Maps picture of our house, you can clearly see the yellow garden hose snaking across the lawn. The garden hose is maybe 3cm thick. We have stepping stones in the lawn, averaging maybe 40cm by 60cm; each stone clearly occupies multiple pixels. I would guess that a single pixel represents about 10cm.

    This is in Switzerland. Are photos in the USA fuzzier? I just zoomed in on a military base, and I can clearly see the lines painted between parking spaces. Those are, what, maybe 10cm? Each line occupies about 2 pixels on my screen.

    So, serious question, what is meant by a 50cm satellite resolution?

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    1. Re:What do they mean (serious question)? by shortscruffydave · · Score: 2

      That higher resolution is because you're looking at an image captured from an aircraft flying at a much lower altitude than a satellite.

  39. Boom! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would place a bet that perhaps thee will be a launch failure if it does not serve the interests of some unnamed national security interest organization.

  40. Unacceptable! by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    So you're telling me that if I want to protect my privacy now, I either have to stop looking straight up while I'm walking around? How the hell am I supposed to see where I'm not going?!? And what am I supposed to do if I accidentally make eye contact with someone???

    1. Re:Unacceptable! by Sobrique · · Score: 1

      Watch out for people wearing google glass or carrying a smartphone too. Actually, that's probably by far the bigger threat here.

  41. Not two, but four times as detailed by kevloral · · Score: 1

    Actually, if the former limit was 50cm and the new one is 25cm, the resulting images will be four times as detailed, not two.

  42. resolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The airy disk is no longer the only limiting factor in optics. Bright objects especially (like, say, the earth) can be imaged well beyond with diffraction correction, fast image recombination/stacking, Pixon method etc. Milli-arcseconds are common even in longer exposures, which corresponds to ~1mm at 240 kilometers.

    As someone pointed out, 25cm is the limit for public sale.
    The KH series birds are all Hubble-class, pointing down at us, so smile.
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:yaBtMQxtC98J:https://www.spacesafetymagazine.com/view-keyhole-satellite/+&cd=5&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

  43. All of two pixels by donstenk · · Score: 1

    I am looking forward to my portrait in a glorious two pixel resolution.

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    Dennis Onstenk
  44. Facing up? by ryanmc1 · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't you have to be looking straight up for a satellite to see your face? I don't know about you, but I hardly ever look straight up into space except at night to look at the stars, and at night I think it would be hard for a satellite to see me.

  45. John by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is four times the resolution, two times in each direction.

  46. Government satellites? by Nukenbar · · Score: 1

    What resolution do we think that government satellites can do?

  47. Well Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  48. Don't you mean 4x the resolution? by mccrew · · Score: 1

    Ok, nitpicking here, but whatever. If you go from 50 cm to 25 cm resolution, yes, that's double the resolution. But an image exists 2 dimensions, so it's double in the x direction and double in the y direction for a total improvement of 4 times. What used to be one pixel is now four.

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  49. I'd go all Star Wars for my photo ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's no face station, that's a moon ...

  50. DUHHHHHHHHH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So some telescopes can see 1000's out light years away and capture even the smallest amount of light..... Now imagine just tuning it around and looking at Earth!

  51. Here's what's much better than Hi-res.. by doccus · · Score: 1

    I would rather that google had a legitimate *real time* display on it's google earth so that I'm not looking at some piece of land that was photographed in 2009.. THe resolution on Google Earth is appaling, and streets is better, but beinmg six years out of date makes it useless fior my needs. I once was trying to send someone a screenshot of my address to help them find it.. being in the country it can be difficult.. but I'd onl;y been living there 5 years and still that was too recvent, as all google streets showed where I lived was shrubbery. where I am currently is at least 3 years out of date, and the best resolution I can get shows my entire property as a big blurry white blob. I think they've got a little bit more work to do than they're letting on

  52. Technically correct by DarthVain · · Score: 1

    Title says nothing about being able to distinguish things like ears, nose, eyes, hair, etc... We will be able to see your face as exactly a pixel.

    Considering how satellites transverse the Earth, we may even be able to once every couple of years! :)

    That said, might be able to do analysis on face complexion if nothing else...

    ENHANCE!