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Sniffing Out Billions In US Currency Smuggled Across the Border To Mexico

An anonymous reader writes "Criminals smuggle an estimated $30 billion in U.S. currency into Mexico each year from the United States, most of it laundered drug money. But researchers say help is on the way for border guards in the form of a portable device that identifies specific vapors given off by U.S. paper money. "We're developing a device that mimics the function of trained dogs 'sniffing' out concealed money, but without the drawbacks, such as expensive training, sophisticated operators, down time and communication limitations," says Suiqiong Li, Ph.D., a member of the research team behind the technology. When developing the device, the researchers first had to figure out which gases money emits and how fast that happens. It turned out that the gases are a set of trace chemicals, including aldehydes, furans and organic acids." What do bitcoins smell like?

158 comments

  1. Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore by alphatel · · Score: 2

    Smells like... Victory

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    1. Re:Lieutenant Colonel Bill Kilgore by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      If the money is already "laundered" then why do they need to smuggle it across the border? Isn't that the definition of clean money? Just put it in the bank and transfer it off shore.

  2. What would Ray Bradbury say? by Minwee · · Score: 1

    They smell like burned fuel.

  3. Bitcoins? by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Funny

    What do bitcoins smell like?

    Despair, irony, and a touch of vermouth.

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    1. Re:Bitcoins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They smell like ass

    2. Re:Bitcoins? by Adriax · · Score: 1

      I was going to go with shame and regret.

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    3. Re:Bitcoins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manboob sweat, tears

    4. Re:Bitcoins? by Amtrak · · Score: 1

      No that one's called Dogecoin

    5. Re:Bitcoins? by Richard+Dick+Head · · Score: 2

      They smell like Magic Smoke, of course!

      Just like Red Hat Linux 6.1 bitcoin is incompatible with magic smokeless CPUs.

    6. Re:Bitcoins? by powerlord · · Score: 1

      No, those smell like money sniffing dogs.

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    7. Re:Bitcoins? by pr0t0 · · Score: 1

      I was thinking they smelled like a lost opportunity.

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    8. Re:Bitcoins? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What do bitcoins smell like?

      Despair, irony, and a touch of vermouth.

      With a dash of bitters...

    9. Re:Bitcoins? by Adriax · · Score: 1

      I thought dogecoin smelled like a dead horse that's been beaten to a thin paste of desperate attention grabs and herd mentality?

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  4. What about the CIA? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    We already know the CIA is very much involved in the Mexican drug trade, and I don't mean in the trying-to-stop-it department. Are those billions still going to be allowed to pass through?

    Ah, who am I kidding. Of course they are. Because corrupt government has decided that it can do as it pleases.

    1. Re:What about the CIA? by mbone · · Score: 1

      The CIA doesn't do borders. They use Andrews Air Force Base for that sort of thing. (Or, at least that's the persistent rumor here in DC.)

  5. Bitcoins smell like... by klek · · Score: 1

    ...a powerful mycotoxin.

    1. Re: Bitcoins smell like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amanita Phalloides?

  6. Sniffs out.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... the traces of cocaine that can be found on every single U.S. treasury note.

    1. Re:Sniffs out.. by jeffmeden · · Score: 2

      ... the traces of cocaine that can be found on every single U.S. treasury note.

      Presumably the cocaine traces are thanks to this exact smuggling operation; someone gets clean money from their bank, buys some coke, the bill gets handed up and up and up the drug hierarchy and ends up in Mexico to be used mostly to pay gun runners for premium US goods, which then ends up back in circulation in the US. I wonder if they could not only find the money but deduce what kind of drug ring is behind it...

    2. Re:Sniffs out.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if they could not only find the money but deduce what kind of drug ring is behind it...

      Now do you see why TSA "randomly" swabs people? Collect a chemical signature, extract later and compare to "metadata" of personal details to determine who to watch in the US.

      Now replace the war on drugs with the war on revolutio^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H terrorists

    3. Re:Sniffs out.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No.

      The cocaine traces on bills are because of two things:

      Dollar bills have long been used as a makeshift straw to snort cocaine.
      Dollars bills used in this way then spread the traces of cocaine to other bills when they go through a money counting machine used at banks. The machine then becomes contaminated with cocaine, and spread it to all the other bills.

      http://www.snopes.com/business/money/cocaine.asp

    4. Re:Sniffs out.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and ends up in Mexico to be used mostly to pay gun runners for premium US goods, which then ends up back in circulation in the US.

      not likely. Those "premium US goods" are available via corrupt individuals in the Mexican government institutions as well as other Latin American governments that the US gave/sold military equipment. Despite what the media tries to portray, there aren't a lot of full auto battle rifles for sale in the US outside of government buyers. What is available was manufactured prior to 1986. Nor is there a lot of rocket launchers and the other stuff that these guys have available for sale to individuals. The money does show up in the US in different ways such as purchasing race horses or other investments.

  7. How to seriously stop drug money laundering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    https://www.google.com/search?&q=banks+helping+drug+cartels

    Banks Launder Billions of Illegal Cartel Money While ...
    www.huffingtonpost.com/.../banks-cartel-money-lau...
    The Huffington Post
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    Awash In Cash, Drug Cartels Rely On Big Banks To ... - NPR
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    NPR
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    How Bankers Help Drug Traffickers and Terrorists ...
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    The New York Times
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    How a big US bank laundered billions from Mexico's ...
    www.theguardian.com News World news Drugs trade
    The Guardian
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    HSBC Judge Approves $1.9B Drug-Money Laundering Accord
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    Bloomberg L.P.
    Jul 3, 2013 - The bank, Europe's largest, agreed to pay a $1.25 billion forfeiture and ... Lack of proper controls allowed the Sinaloa drug cartel in Mexico and ...

    Banks Financing Mexico Gangs Admitted in Wells Fargo Deal
    www.bloomberg.com/.../banks-financing-mexico-s-drug...
    Bloomberg L.P.
    Jun 29, 2010 - Drug traffickers used accounts at Bank of America in Oklahoma City to .... letter his efforts had helped the U.S. build its case against Wachovia.

    The Ugly Truth Behind Major Banks Financing Mexico's ...
    elitedaily.com/.../shadowy-role-banks-play-financing-mexicos-drug-cart...
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    CBS News

    1. Re:How to seriously stop drug money laundering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have been added to all of the lists due to rising up against your overlords.

      Sincerely,

      The United Corporations of America

    2. Re:How to seriously stop drug money laundering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Putting the bankers in jail is a much better use of my tax dollars that putting pot smokers in jail.

  8. Added value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Armed with better detectors, border guards will demand a bigger cut from money launderers.

  9. Easier option by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

    There are many published references to the fact that most US $20 bills have traces of cocaine on them... http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH... So why don't they just use cocaine sniffing dogs (of which, I am sure, they have plenty)?

    1. Re:Easier option by Minwee · · Score: 2

      They could also skip the dogs and just use out of work A&R execs.

    2. Re:Easier option by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Which, you would think, would solve the problem of import of the cocaine and export of the money.

      Of course, the problem becomes when you suddenly start finding CEOs and politicians jetting off to the Caymans with suitcases full of money they haven't declared.

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    3. Re:Easier option by oodaloop · · Score: 1

      It would be easier to sniff for a trace amount of something on the thing you're looking for, than to just sniff for the thing itself? Better alert the authorities right away!

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    4. Re:Easier option by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      When bills are put through high speed money sorter/counters, one bill used to snort cocaine can put tiny amounts of cocaine on thousands of other bills.

      Due to the chemical nature of cocaine, it can be detected in immensely small concentrations- far smaller than even the best dog can detect.

    5. Re:Easier option by turning+in+circles · · Score: 1

      It's as easy to teach a dog to sniff money chemicals as cocaine - they are trying to make the system much cheaper by using solid phase microextraction to collect chemicals in the air or on clothing near the suspected subjects and then run gas chromatography/mass spec. Instruments are cheaper to maintain than dogs. Presumably while there may be trace amounts of cocaine in the bills, there will be lost of other chemicals in higher abundance so the Instruments will be able to find them with higher sensitivity.

      I think if you wrap the cash in plastic and then take a shower and wash your clothes, you can outwit this - so if you know there is a cash-sniffing instrument, you just take a few extra steps and bypass this whole process. The only one happy is the engineers who got paid to develop the (soon to be out of date) cash-sniffing instruments.

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  10. Bitcoins smell like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Neck beard and a superiority complex

  11. Ah, damn it! by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Funny

    I only switched to carrying sacks of bills across the border in the dead of night because dealing with those assholes at HSBC when I needed money laundered was too much trouble. I'll be seriously upset if enhanced security means I have to re-open my account with them. They wouldn't even upgrade me to Narcoterrorist Platinum Checking unless I provided proof of having ordered at least 50 grisly killings personally, or qualified for MegaMule Rewards by transporting more than a metric ton of high quality cocaine per quarter...

  12. What do bitcoins smell like? by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

    Ozone.

    1. Re:What do bitcoins smell like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I always assumed ass, cause that's where its value is pulled from.

    2. Re:What do bitcoins smell like? by kruach+aum · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the same could be said of all currencies

    3. Re:What do bitcoins smell like? by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      I thought BTC was unique... Can you name other currencies with which you can't pay your taxes?

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    4. Re:What do bitcoins smell like? by kruach+aum · · Score: 1
    5. Re:What do bitcoins smell like? by NoImNotNineVolt · · Score: 1

      Not really typical of "all currencies", but you did technically satisfy my request. In any case, I appreciate the fascinating link! Wild!

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  13. Good job getting bitcoin mentioned by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bravo, the daily bitcoin quota met at /.

  14. So they'll just shrink-wrap it... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seems an easy thing to avoid, if it depends on trace gases.

  15. Wont matter by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Problem here is they are not looking for anything that is evidence of a crime. It is legal to carry money over the border up to a certain amount so, the smell of money doesn't actually indicate any crime, and isn't evidence of any crime.

    Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to justify expenditures on cool new technology which will be quickly mothballed after its found to be useless or ruled by the courts to not be justification for extra scrutiny.

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    1. Re:Wont matter by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      Think harder. Large pile of bills will have gasses in higher concentration. hundreds or thousands of bills are not normal, they can check out individual cases of those.

    2. Re:Wont matter by Typical+Slashdotter · · Score: 2

      They don't need a reason to do a search or give extra scrutiny at a border crossing. Furthermore, carrying more than $10,000 in cash across the border without reporting it is illegal.

    3. Re:Wont matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I await Scent of Money cologne for those times one needs a little personal attention.

    4. Re:Wont matter by iggymanz · · Score: 3, Funny

      rub it on your crotch for a really good time when travelling

    5. Re:Wont matter by mbone · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Problem here is they are not looking for anything that is evidence of a crime. It is legal to carry money over the border up to a certain amount so, the smell of money doesn't actually indicate any crime, and isn't evidence of any crime.

      Won't stop them from seizing it anyway.

    6. Re:Wont matter by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

      Or, we could make it not illegal to, you know, carry large wads of cash, deposit huge amounts of money in your bank account, etc.

      Or we could vacuum pack the bills, and fold that up into the money belt or suitcase.

    7. Re:Wont matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bunny, ball ball.

    8. Re:Wont matter by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      But less than 10k is not illegal and even quite common, as in, you can pretty much expect everyone is carrying some amount. As such, everyone should be expected to be putting off these gasses. So basically....this is just a prop that can be used to justify a search on anyone they want to search but don't want to give the real reason.

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    9. Re:Wont matter by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      If it can't tell the difference between $9999 and $10,000 then its not good enough in my book. Then again, I can't think of any good reason to limit the cash people can travel with. However, protecting people from unreasonable search is more important by far than anything they are otherwise triying to do...it is supposed to be, one of their highest priorities!

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    10. Re:Wont matter by Typical+Slashdotter · · Score: 2

      I assume this can distinguish between someone with cash in their wallet and a suitcase full of $100s...

    11. Re:Wont matter by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Government claims it is drug money. They get to take items used in crime (e.g. a knife in someone's back) even if they never catch, arrest, try, or much less convict someone.

      Don't like it? Contact your congressman and mandate it be returned absent real, solid evidence of a crime. If they can't arrest (much less convict) the person carrying it, there is no crime.

      I recall a case 10 years ago where a cop on Cops or a similar show, pulled over a Mexican family and found $8000 in cash in a tire in the trunk. They took it as drug money and let them go. (Remember they come from a vorrupt country where something like that is normal corruption.)

      Some in Congress stamped their little foots and wondered why no one arrested the cop for theft. Not much happened, I'm guessing.

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    12. Re:Wont matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hundreds or thousands of bills are not normal

      So? The abnormality of an act should never be justification for a violation of our rights.

    13. Re:Wont matter by jratcliffe · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no limit on how much cash you can carry across the border - you just need to declare it if you have over $10k.

    14. Re:Wont matter by GNious · · Score: 1

      Crossing US borders, you don't want any extra attention - it is the one place you can be sure it'll be properly uncomfortable.

      Like that 1 time we ended up having to hear 1 border-guard's story of how he married his wife in Germany (no idea why), and then later divorced her - very uncomfortable.

    15. Re:Wont matter by king+neckbeard · · Score: 1

      I assume this is merely a pretense for searching anybody at will, just like the dogs this is replacing.

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    16. Re:Wont matter by Typical+Slashdotter · · Score: 1

      Have you ever crossed a border? They don't need a pretense. They can search anyone they want, without reason.

    17. Re:Wont matter by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Seems the point still remains, if it can't tell the difference between 1 unit less than 10k and 10k or more, then its a useless test; and certainly not specific enough to expose someone to the very real dangers of extra scrutiny.

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    18. Re:Wont matter by Typical+Slashdotter · · Score: 1

      It's not illegal to do those things. You just need to do some paperwork.

    19. Re:Wont matter by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      I fully support making it legal to not do the paperwork. In fact, I fully support making it a felony for a border agent to even ask how much money you have on you.

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    20. Re:Wont matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is legal to carry money over the border up to a certain amount so, the smell of money doesn't actually indicate any crime, and isn't evidence of any crime.

      It used to be that to own an etching press, you had to register it with the government. These days it's just a handful of artists who still use these old school techniques. I guess it will be okay to search them at the boarder looking for drug money.

    21. Re:Wont matter by EvilJoker · · Score: 1

      I've always wondered how that was legal. I understand seizing it as evidence (pending a trial), but simple forfeiture is a very clear violation of the 5th Amendment

    22. Re:Wont matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Essentially they sue the money or property itself:

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A...

      Asset forfeiture is permitted to continue in the USA because most Americans are cowards and don't care as long as it's black people that are having their assets seized without due process of law.

    23. Re:Wont matter by Zaelath · · Score: 1

      That's what the TSA agent told me about 5 times while searching my carry on bag on the jet-way while other passengers struggled past and gawked at me. Also that if I didn't declare I had cash in there, they'd seize it.

      Her dog looooooved my bag. Unfortunately it didn't have any money in it, just residual dog from my friend's house.

      So yeah, I just hope this device is more accurate than the pups :)

    24. Re:Wont matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course they need a reason to search a US citizen at a border crossing. fuck the government.

    25. Re:Wont matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not simply seizure; as you say, it is seizing it as evidence (pending a trial). You just have to retain a lawyer (without that money) and prevail in court. So help you if that will cost more than the cash they seized as evidence.

      And drug law has long inverted the presumption of evidence, so there's that.

    26. Re:Wont matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting: gold bullion doesn't need to be declared, apparently?
      https://help.cbp.gov/app/answers/detail/a_id/778/~/declaring-currency-when-entering-the-u.s.-in-transit-to-a-foreign-destination

    27. Re:Wont matter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes who cares about preventing criminal organization from making money too easily, not being searched at the border is much more important. Of course once the criminals are so rich that they own the country, the corrupt authorities might not care so much about your rights, but until then, pure bliss. (yes, yes, I know, the authorities are already corrupt, you should go to mexico and experience a truly corruption-free government).

    28. Re:Wont matter by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      That wasn't TSA, it was CBP (Customs and Border Patrol).

    29. Re:Wont matter by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1

      Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to justify expenditures on cool new technology which will be quickly mothballed after its found to be useless or ruled by the courts to not be justification for extra scrutiny.

      The scary thing is, that's my best case scenario. Worst case? It's used for witch hunts. We have warrantless spying now, do you think they'll put this down once it's pushed back by a court? Maybe it won't be used in court, but just enough to justify "extra scrutiny" of someone, put them on a watchlist they can't get off of.

    30. Re:Wont matter by iggymanz · · Score: 1

      well duh, he thought he was always supposed to have textured latex gloves on anytime he put his finger in someone's various orifices. most wives don't want that kind of foreplay

  16. Decriminalize Drugs to defund terrorists and gangs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The result of the puritanical and hypocritical war on drugs has been countless lives lost, Billions and Billions spent on fruitless efforts and a strengthening of criminal gangs and terrorist groups which aren't shy about using thuggery and corrupting law enforcement and the government in order to make money. People suffer and as long as nobody is committing fraud in what they are selling, then people should be able to buy whatever rat poison they want and do with it what they want. People have a right to their own bodies. When drug use gets out of hand then civil commitment and medical care are what is needed, not police, courts and jails.

  17. Laundry Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I guess they will have to start using a different detergent in their money laundry.

  18. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by oodaloop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is not a lot of problems associated with drug money going to the Mexico.

    30 billion a year going into the hands of violent drug cartels isn't a problem? I disagree.

    On the other hand, waves of unskilled, poor, desperate people and who can't legally work here is a recipe for social problems that will last generations.

    Are you American Indian? If not, from which wave of poor desperate immigrants did your family arrive?

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  19. What do bitcoins smell like by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bitcoin non olet.

  20. Trace chemicals by mbone · · Score: 1

    It turned out that the gases are a set of trace chemicals, including aldehydes, furans and organic acids.

    No! Gases are chemicals! Who knew!

  21. Citizen! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Citizen! You set of the money detector. I need to see your papers. And your money.

  22. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 2

    Perhaps he learned from the Indian experience and doesn't want to repeat that. Immigration can be a net win (skilled labor) or a net loss (unskilled labor), it's all in how you play the game. Unfortunately as the US tries its level best to self destruct we have chosen the worst of all worlds by allowing in *huge* amounts of unskilled while only keeping the skilled labor long enough to train them and send them back.

  23. Exclusive interview with Lassie in bread-line... by RLU486983 · · Score: 1

    News at 11.

  24. What does MY money smell like? by mi · · Score: 3, Informative

    most of it laundered drug money ... What do bitcoins smell like?

    I'm far more concerned, whether the smell of my honestly-earned money is any different from that of the laundered drug proceeds. I suspect, the smell is exactly the same and, should I ever choose to cross the border with substantial cash, these devices will point me out. A major loophole in American (and English) legal system, allows seizure of "suspect" assets even if the person himself can not be arrested.

    Now, why would an honest citizen need to carry his cash with him?.. Oh, well...

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    1. Re:What does MY money smell like? by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      > Now, why would an honest citizen need to carry his cash with him?.. Oh, well...

      That certainly seems to be the attitude of the aristocracy here. Maybe they should ask the 78 year old German woman who was caught traveling with $40k on her person.

      Thank god these thugs are out there...protecting us from old women who don't trust banks! Just think what might have happened if she hadn't been caught. I, for one, am glad our jack booted border enforcers have no fear of the geriatric maffia. Kudos to them for standing up to a dangerous old woman!

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    2. Re:What does MY money smell like? by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      If you're traveling with more than $10k, you just have to fill out one form declaring it.

    3. Re:What does MY money smell like? by Typical+Slashdotter · · Score: 1

      Or she could have obeyed the law and filled out the one page form.

    4. Re:What does MY money smell like? by mi · · Score: 1

      If you're traveling with more than $10k, you just have to fill out one form declaring it.

      I believe, that requirement — whatever its Constitutionality — applies only to people arriving into the US, not leaving. Indeed, you aren't declaring anything upon leaving — neither the Customs nor Border Patrol have anything to do with passengers departing.

      Also, it was introduced, when $10k meant a lot more money, than it does today. I don't know, when, exactly, but I do remember seeing it on the Custom form in the early 90ies. The $10k even then was $17.5k in today's dollars. But, I think, the requirement is much older...

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    5. Re:What does MY money smell like? by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually she did fill out the form. Its just that the number she gave verbally didn't match. I don't know about you, but I consider it unreasonable to expect people to be able to randomly come up with and remember numbers like that since... well I know a lot of humans and evidence shows its something most of us are terrible at....and many people at the age of 78 have particular trouble with.

      And...well...fuck the law. There is no reason for this law, I personally judge it unjust and personally hold that against every person who chooses to continue doing a job that involves enforcing such a law. In my eyes they are the criminals and she is innocent.

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    6. Re:What does MY money smell like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Would filling out the form keep them from confiscating the money or would it just alert them to its presence?

    7. Re:What does MY money smell like? by Ralph+Wiggam · · Score: 1

      That's a customs form for people arriving with money. There is a related form for leaving the country. It's the same one you get when withdrawing more than $10k in cash from a bank, or even buying into a blackjack table. It just documents your identity so that if that money ends up as part of a money laundering scheme, the feds can find you.

    8. Re:What does MY money smell like? by mi · · Score: 1

      There is a related form for leaving the country.

      I was never asked the question of how much cash I'm carrying. Nor have I ever — in 20+ years of being an American — been made aware of having to declare such sums.

      withdrawing more than $10k in cash from a bank

      What if it is simply my savings — stored in a jar?

      if that money ends up as part of a money laundering scheme, the feds can find you

      That's a good argument to have one's DNA registered — at birth. In case it ever ends up inside a rape victim or on a murder scene, you know... Somehow, that has not persuaded Americans to mandate DNA-registration. Not yet, anyway. But, as I said, personal assets are not protected anywhere near as well by our laws, as the persons themselves...

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    9. Re:What does MY money smell like? by mjwalshe · · Score: 1

      Traveling to a tax haven like Lichtenstein I bet

    10. Re:What does MY money smell like? by mi · · Score: 1

      Or she could have obeyed the law and filled out the one page form

      And there is nothing wrong with mandatory ID-carrying either, is there? "Papers please" much?

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      In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
    11. Re:What does MY money smell like? by Typical+Slashdotter · · Score: 1

      What? You can't just make some tangentially related comparison without explanation and call that an argument. And yes, you do have to carry ID at a border crossing, and yes, that's okay.

    12. Re:What does MY money smell like? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fuck you and your boot-licking mentality

    13. Re:What does MY money smell like? by Typical+Slashdotter · · Score: 1

      fuck you and your boot-licking mentality

      Replying to AC is pointless, but I can't resist just this once. Some day you'll grow up and realize that not everyone in the world shares your exact ideas for how everything should work. Sometimes those people have power, and yes, sometimes you have to fill out their forms. That's just the way it is, so lighten up; this isn't exactly the holocaust.

  25. Defeated by Food Saver by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 1

    Hook up the Food Saver or VacuVita to a bag full of stacked, tied bills. Then put the whole vacuum-packed, heat-sealed bag into your suitcase lining, hidden compartment, or money belt.

    1. Re:Defeated by Food Saver by swb · · Score: 1

      Are vacuum packages that tight?

      I would have always thought yes -- I have a Food Saver and it works miracles for food storage, especially meat in the freezer. But I could swear I've read that drug dogs smell right through them, even double-bagged, which seems to be kind of weird. I would assume that holding a decent vacuum would prevent anything from escaping.

    2. Re:Defeated by Food Saver by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mythbuster tried to fool dogs, it's really really hard.

  26. Another way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since most American paper currency has trace amounts of Cocaine on it anyways, wouldn't it be easier to just devise a cocaine detector to track the money that way?

  27. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think that 30 billion could be funneled into anything more appropriate.. like our debt..instead of funding criminals

  28. Pikers by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    I bet these rank amateurs don't shrink-wrap bales of hundreds onto pallets that then disappear as morning fog, like Bush / Cheney did.

  29. smell like a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows that Bitcoins were invented by the government to get people to spend their computing power decoding the 8th chevron on the stargate.

  30. buy stock by Triv · · Score: 1

    I'm predicting a run on vacuum sealers.

  31. HEY YOU! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop exposing that the CIA runs the entire drug trade to fund deep black underground projects.

  32. If only .. by hanwenn · · Score: 1
    ... the drugs themselves would have chemical smells, you could also stop drug trafficking!

    Oh, wait.

  33. smuggled across the border? by tekrat · · Score: 1

    Just put those sniffers in every HSBC branch. Or better yet, put those sniffers in the HSBC corporate boardroom. The "money laundering" they want to stop is happening at the upper levels of management, and yet, not a single banker will *ever* go to jail for laundering.

    Instead, the bank will pay some measly fine which won't even be 10% of what they made doing the crime. Crime absolutely pays and pays big, assuming you're already a multi-billion-dollar corporation that can buy politicians, buy law enforcement, and has "closely held religious beliefs" about flagrantly ignoring law and morals.

    How much taxpayer money is wasted going after clueless individuals? All they are going to stop are the mules. The real criminals sit in luxurious office suites and shuffle billions of dollars around with a few keystrokes.

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  34. As effective as the Iraqi bomb detector? by fsagx · · Score: 1

    The ADE 651 is a fake bomb detector[1] produced by ATSC (UK), which claimed that the device could effectively and accurately, from long range, detect the presence and location of various types of explosives, drugs, ivory, and other substances. The device has been sold to 20 countries in the Middle East and Far East, including Iraq and Afghanistan, for as much as $60,000 per unit. The Iraqi government is said to have spent £52 million ($85 million) on the devices.

    ADE_651

    1. Re:As effective as the Iraqi bomb detector? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course not. These things are only useful for parallel construction of probable cause to search. The real investigative work needs to be done up front. Like identifying members of competing cartels that didn't make the proper payoff to CBP officials for the privilege of doing business in the USA.

  35. Clearly... by xednieht · · Score: 1

    This initiative is sponsored by large US banks. They don't want the competition from foreign banks to have billions in drug money deposits. I wish US companies would repatriate their profits the way drug cartels do. Even though no taxes are paid, at least the money would be spent here.

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    1. Re:Clearly... by jratcliffe · · Score: 1

      Um, HSBC _is_ a foreign bank.

  36. I agree by Zeorge · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But, I don't think this will happen as a billions of dollars of industry, on both sides of the law, has been built. You have the drug cartels used to the market price and then you have the DEA, etc. who are used to the funding provided by the USG. You legalize the drugs and *POOF* goes the market value of the drugs and the funding to the DEA and all the companies that are fed off via contracts. The majority of the money is now going to the local and state governments in the form of taxes like with cigarettes and alcohol.

  37. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by bhlowe · · Score: 1
    I haven't been impacted by illegal drug lords in Mexico, either here in the states or while traveling in Mexico. I have been impacted by getting stopped by the border patrol and their sniffing dogs. Sounds like money going to Mexican drug lords is a Mexican problem.

    On the other hand, millions of American's are impacted by illegal immigration. From honest business owners who compete with businesses that hire illegal labor, to underfunded schools and social services, and of course the victims of crimes committed by the undocumented -- from hit and run, drunk driving accidents, to rape and strong armed robbery and petty thievery.

    We have laws on the books that were not here when my ancestors came to America. America still has more legal immigration than all other countries combined.

    A country without laws, borders, or a common language is doomed to fail.

  38. Real Solution by CanHasDIY · · Score: 3, Informative

    The real solution, of course, is to legalize marijuana nationally, thus drying up demand for the cartels main cash crop.

    But oh, we can't do that, because it would put so many DEA agents and overpaid government contractors out of work!

    So, they come up with not-even-half-assed solutions that sound good in a press release, and end up being nothing more than yet another tool of citizen subjugation over the long run.

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    1. Re:Real Solution by misexistentialist · · Score: 1

      But oh, we can't do that, because it would put so many DEA agents and overpaid government contractors out of work!

      At this point they can be re-tasked to nicotine prohibition.

    2. Re:Real Solution by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      But oh, we can't do that, because it would put so many DEA agents and overpaid government contractors out of work!

      At this point they can be re-tasked to nicotine prohibition.

      OR, and I know this is a stretch, they could be re-tasked to actual, important work, like border security, or laid off because their jobs are unnecessary. But then, I'm one of those "crazy Libertarian types" who believes what substances a person chooses to put into their bodies is their choice, not the governments.

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    3. Re:Real Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > legalize marijuana

      That didn't work for Seattle. Instead, the illegal trade has grown by an estimated 20%. People are buying so little marijuana because of the high taxes that there is only a single store in Seattle. Also, there are now more anti-marijuana laws after legalization so there are more tickets written and arrests made. A friend from high school was recently sentenced to 2.5 years for possession. No thanks. We do not need more laws and more control. There's a reason the liberals here were against legalization and the Republicans have been fighting for it.

    4. Re:Real Solution by jayveekay · · Score: 1

      But oh, we can't do that, because it would put so many DEA agents and overpaid government contractors out of work!

      Not to mention a large number of private companies that own and operate prisons for the government. For those companies, mo' "criminals" = mo' money.

    5. Re:Real Solution by EvilJoker · · Score: 1

      I can't speak for the laws, but the claim that no one's buying, and thus has only 1 shop, is demonstrably false. While it's true there's only 1 shop, it just opened on July 8. 3 days later, they were completely sold out

      They issued the first 25 licenses this week, and most just haven't opened yet. You just have to give it some time.

    6. Re:Real Solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are ZERO legal growers in Seattle. That is why they sold-out. They can't get product to sell.

      Also, the WSLCB has only allowed a single to open in Seattle, and it has been closed every time I've driven by. There is no supply and no demand. Legalization has failed.

      Also, Huffington admitted to pushing her minions to push lies that legalization is working because she is against it.

    7. Re:Real Solution by EvilJoker · · Score: 1

      Presumably, most growers would not be in Seattle, but in the more rural areas surrounding it. Same as any crop. Unless it's more difficult to transport than any other crop ever, the distance is no issue.

      There are 50 growers in the state, and many more have applied (including a bunch in Seattle)

      It LITERALLY just became legal, so everyone's still ramping up. (I'm not even going to bother responding to the Huffington comment)

    8. Re:Real Solution by EvilJoker · · Score: 1

      You do understand that there's a delay between getting a license, and opening the doors of the business, right? The delay is usually (much) longer than a week.

    9. Re:Real Solution by Sarius64 · · Score: 1

      And now the Democrats are fighting for even high prices for legal weed which will even more greatly increase the amount of money that will flood the cartels. Legalization only helps the drug dealers.

      Anything but a Democrat here, as I like the money I earn. However, you're a complete moron to make statements like this. Cartels have been tracked murdering competition to keep supply rare. Legalization means locals/Americans get to supply Americans, not some jacked up cartel member.

  39. Bitcoins smell like a scam by neo-mkrey · · Score: 1

    but maybe it's just me.

  40. Bitcoins smell like ... by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... napalm in the morning.

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  41. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by king+neckbeard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why do you think that unskilled labor is a net loss? America was largely built on the cheap labor of immigrants who eventually became part of the culture.

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  42. Grandma by sycodon · · Score: 3, Funny

    The can sniff out $41,000 in grandma's bra but they can't find pallets of cash going across the border.

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    1. Re:Grandma by davester666 · · Score: 1

      they need to recalibrate the sensor so it catches the traces of cocaine on most used bills.

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    2. Re:Grandma by P-niiice · · Score: 1

      Just about all cash would could have that smell. I need to invent a thing that allows you to literally launder your cash now.

  43. Business Opportunity? by bbsguru · · Score: 1

    Step 1. Buy Money Sniffer and position near highway.

    Step 2. Advertise free "crossing guaranteed" inspections.

    Step 3. Distract driver with free WiFi and coffee while source of odor is removed.

    Step 4. Profit!

  44. Remittance by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    Is that in addition to the 20+ billion in remittance sent over from the US to Mexico??

    http://www.thesocialcontract.c...

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  45. Re:Decriminalize Drugs to defund terrorists and ga by redeIm · · Score: 2

    Decriminalization isn't good enough; legalize them.

  46. Actually *launder* the money? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No seriously.
    Put it in the washer with some fabric softener and tide.
    BOOM. Countermeasures.

  47. Other currencies by 31415926535897 · · Score: 1

    Do Euros smell the same as USD?

  48. Civil Forfeiture and the BILLIONS stolen with it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is really just going one place and that is increasing the already billions taken by police legally everyday here inside the US. It's called civil forfeiture and it is big business for LE. This technology will just make it easier for them to find the cars with cash in them.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2014/03/12/cops-use-traffic-stops-to-seize-millions-from-drivers-never-charged-with-a-crime/

  49. Re:Decriminalize Drugs to defund terrorists and ga by penguinoid · · Score: 1

    If you did that, where would the NSA get their secret funding, and how much more would we need to increase various enforcement budgets that are largely financed by seized assets?

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  50. nobody uses cash anymore including the cartels by jimbolauski · · Score: 3, Informative

    The drug cartels started using prepaid cards that you can put $10,000 on. A wallet can hold $100,000 and not draw any attention.

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    P= W/t
    t=Money
    Money = Work/Knowledge so the less you know the more you make
    1. Re:nobody uses cash anymore including the cartels by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yep.
      Read about it here

  51. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

    I think a nation should decide if it's in their people's best interest to import unskilled labor. In the current economy with only 63% of current citizens working there is not need for more unskilled labor. Back when the US had an open immigration policy there was a need for labor that is not the case now. Increasing the number of unskilled labor immigrants will only drive wages down further for current Americans. Minimum wages laws would not need to exist if the labor market was not flooded with unskilled labor.

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    Knowledge = Power
    P= W/t
    t=Money
    Money = Work/Knowledge so the less you know the more you make
  52. useless my ass by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They find where the money is, then take it either through asset forfeiture or parallel construction.

  53. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    well, your fellow citizens decided that they would rather buy $30+ billion in illegal drugs than do something productive. The cartels wouldn't exist if the fuckwits didn't buy the product. Legalizing marijuana isn't going to make a dent. One would have to legalize everything and that's not going to happen.

  54. Money smells like success by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And larceny! Success and larceny. The whiff of ill-gotten gains haunts all money. Gamblers understand this, whatever their other failings might be.

  55. There's an easy solution by Algae_94 · · Score: 1

    Just employ strippers as border patrol agents. They have an uncanny ability to sniff out money. They might even get the smugglers to voluntarily turn over some of it.

  56. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by __aanbvm4272 · · Score: 1

    So enlighten us you, you you 'Anonymous Coward' Is it Tis or its' ?

  57. Additional heuristic by marciot · · Score: 1

    If it smells like Tide and fabric softener, it must be laundered money.

  58. So. Dollar is overvalued and now even toxic??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer Euros anyway....

  59. Easier option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You know, dogs can also be trained t osniff for money. They use them around here. Every time the police raids some drug gang place or some white collar criminal they suspect might have cash hidden they bring in the money dogs. The dogs are very good at it.

  60. Joe Biden for 2016 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Joe Biden is a square shooter. Joe Biden for 2016!

  61. That's easy ... by Mirvnillith · · Score: 1

    ... there are no U.S. paper money!

  62. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by oodaloop · · Score: 1

    I haven't been impacted by illegal drug lords in Mexico, either here in the states or while traveling in Mexico. I have been impacted by getting stopped by the border patrol and their sniffing dogs. Sounds like money going to Mexican drug lords is a Mexican problem.

    I guess you haven't figured out that a nation run by large violent drug cartels and a wave of immigration from that nation might be related. If you want to stop the poor immigrants from washing into our country (mind you, I'm not convinced that's a problem), then work to make Mexico less of a failed state, and that has to involve working against the drug cartels.

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  63. Inflation by NewYork · · Score: 1

    US regime has been EXPORTING its inflation to rest of the world since 1971 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N...

  64. The solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    End the drug war and the problem of laundered money disappears tomorrow.

  65. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by jimbolauski · · Score: 1

    Typical response by an uneducated person, you can't dispute my point so you attack my grammar (it's = it is & its = possessive it). If you're going to attack someone's grammar make sure you have it correct otherwise you look like a fool.

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    P= W/t
    t=Money
    Money = Work/Knowledge so the less you know the more you make
  66. Re:Wrong problem to focus on by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

    From a resources taken vs resources generated unskilled labor is always a minus for the community. Perhaps a plus to unscrupulous employers but a minus to the community. This is a case of privatize the gains but socialize the loss, it's just one example where the traditional roles are reversed between the parties.

  67. And they could add stuff... by niftymitch · · Score: 1

    And interesting specific yet easy to detect substances
    could be added to money to make it easy to track from
    one place to another. Each of the 12 reserve banks could
    use a unique easy to detect substance....

    One step beyond serial number records... and one step
    beyond ultraviolet and edge stack marks.

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