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Professor Steve Ballmer Will Teach At Two Universities This Year

redletterdave (2493036) writes "When Steve Ballmer announced he was stepping down from Microsoft's board of directors, he cited a fall schedule that would "be hectic between teaching a new class and the start of the NBA season." It turns out Ballmer will teach an MBA class at Stanford's Graduate School of Business in the fall, and a class at USC's Marshall School of Business in the spring. Helen Chang, assistant director of communications at Stanford's Business School, told Business Insider that Ballmer will be working with faculty member Susan Athey for a strategic management course called "TRAMGT588: Leading organizations." As for the spring semester, Ballmer will head to Los Angeles — closer to where his Clippers will be playing — and teach a course at University of Southern California's Marshall School of Business. We reached out to the Marshall School, which declined to offer more details about Ballmer's class.

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  1. The first ever business course by silentcoder · · Score: 5, Funny

    that will include a chapter on how to select the most throwable chair.

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    1. Re:The first ever business course by Saithe · · Score: 1

      Better not sit in 1st row.

    2. Re:The first ever business course by gsslay · · Score: 2

      You may laugh, but there's a lot of factors that need careful analysis. Weight, dimensions, material, grip, balance, available space, ceiling height, bounce, damage.. The list goes on. You could fill at least three hour lectures on it.

    3. Re:The first ever business course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But will it include a practical part?

    4. Re:The first ever business course by silentcoder · · Score: 1

      Absolutely, though I remain convinced no other business course has ever bothered to teach this apparently critical business skill before and I have to wonder why !

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    5. Re:The first ever business course by lord_mike · · Score: 2

      There is a required lab course in the afternoon.

    6. Re:The first ever business course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard Bobby Knight will be the TA for the recitation/lab.

    7. Re:The first ever business course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or any row for that matter.. unless you're sitting behind the big fat ugly chick... then you're probably safe (from airborne chairs anyway)

    8. Re:The first ever business course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately they will probably assign the class to a room where the chairs are bolted to the floor, so he can't demonstrate.

    9. Re:The first ever business course by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

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    10. Re:The first ever business course by Paradise+Pete · · Score: 2

      Apparently there was also to be a class on film processing, but only if he could get enough students to take it. Somebody took a video of his recruitment drive.

    11. Re:The first ever business course by datavirtue · · Score: 1

      I can guarantee there are no big fat ugly chicks at the schools where Ballmer teaches.

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    12. Re:The first ever business course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He ate them.

                                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    13. Re:The first ever business course by kuzb · · Score: 1

      I'll skip ahead to advanced table flipping.

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    14. Re:The first ever business course by TemporalBeing · · Score: 1

      that will include a chapter on how to select the most throwable chair.

      It's be great if they had a day or two on the Elop Effect...

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    15. Re: The first ever business course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A nonsense phrase.

  2. I'd love to be in his class by 0xdeaddead · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and know what not to do. If anything Steve is the textbook example on how an MBA brought zero growth to Microsoft, and destroyed not only two biggest cash cows in history, Windows & Office, but doomed the company to failure by de-incentiving through MBA theory of the week games like bands, to constantly backdooring H1B1'ing the workforce.

    Gates made Microsoft, but Balmer destroyed it.

    1. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A company is much more than just the CEO.

    2. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Gates made Microsoft, but Balmer destroyed it.

      By what metric?

      http://www.marketwatch.com/investing/stock/msft/financials
      $62 Billion in revenue in 2010 and 87 Billion when he retired.

      Compare these to win Ballmer first took over

      "REDMOND, Wash., July 18, 2000 — Microsoft Corp. today announced revenue of $22.96 billion for the fiscal year ended June 30, 2000, a 16 percent increase over the $19.75 billion reported last year. Net income totaled $9.42 billion."

      So under his 14 year reign, revenue damn near quadrupled. It would appear that the only place he failed is in your mind.

    3. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      when* not win.... sorry about that.

    4. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even Ballmer didn't make every decision in the company and he certainly did not "destroy" Microsoft.

    5. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since Monkey Boy's golden parachute totaled over "one b-i-l-l-i-o-n dollars" (said with a Dr. Evil accent), I'd be happy to learn how he managed to rob them that blind. See, Bill Gates stole from *other* companies......

    6. Re:I'd love to be in his class by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Much like the coach in his new venture into the NBA,

      the CEO is often given too much of the blame when things go poorly,

      and too much of the credit when things go well.

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    7. Re: I'd love to be in his class by frikken+lazerz · · Score: 1, Troll

      Let's just be thankful he's teaching business courses and not IT courses!

    8. Re:I'd love to be in his class by lord_mike · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ballmer defenders like to point out the stock value and revenue numbers, which is valid, however Ballmer's reign ended Microsoft's dominance in mindshare and allowed their monopoly to essentially break up. Their revenue gains were made at a great cost to the company's prestige and future dominance and are likely to be short lived. There is only one product now that is making money and that is Office/Exchange and their cloud version of that. The desktop Windows market is shrinking rapidly, Surface is a financial failure, Windows Phone is a laughingstock, Silverlight a joke, and Xbox One is circling the drain. Where is the future? No one cares what Microsoft wants to do in the marketplace. They are ignored. Ballmer made them a one trick pony--a revenue generating one trick pony, but one that is extremely vulnerable to being completely toppled by a better, more respected competitor.

    9. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One could argue that the revenue growth was due solely to their continued stranglehold on corporate IT. They've done a very good job in that narrow segment; they've managed to continue and expand the Outlook/Office/Sharepoint lock-in with nary a hiccup.

      But how many other line items turned out to be flat to miserable? Bing, phones, xbox, Windows Vista/8 are but a few examples. Like most things, the truth turns out to be in the middle.

      Ballmer will probably be remembered for the failures rather than the successes because the failures were more stunning. Quite the opposite of someone like Jobs whose successes were so much more important than his failures (like Next arguably).

    10. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you cite sources to show that this is the only product making money? Didn't think so.

    11. Re:I'd love to be in his class by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      You missed out Windows Server, SQL Server, Visual Studio and the Dynamics range of products. All of them are making plenty of money.

    12. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 0

      > It would appear that the only place he failed is in your mind.

      I'm afraid that Mr. Ballmer was considered a liability by various stock analysts and stock holders by the end of his tenure. The failures of the smartphone, Zune media player, Surface tablet and Windows 8 to make their sales goals or to generate loyal user bases were demonstrable failures of his leadership. I'll challenge you to find _one_ loyal customer of any of those products, one who actually prefers it to an Iphone, Ipod, cheap notebook, or Windows 7.

      Compounded by the failure to complete the migrations from Windows XP for thousands of businesses worldwide, he created grand visions for a series of failed projects. So yes, he became a failure in many stockholders' minds, as well.

    13. Re:I'd love to be in his class by michelcolman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Sure confirms the old saying: Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

    14. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And this makes the third unsubstantiated assertion in this thread, and now the third that will be shot down by actual facts.

      While I am sure you can find individual malcontents, let's look at the stock performance against a broader tech index.

      http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/advchart/frames/frames.asp?show=&insttype=Stock&symb=msft&time=13&startdate=1%2F4%2F1999&enddate=8%2F21%2F2014&freq=1&compidx=XCI&comptemptext=&comp=none&ma=0&maval=9&uf=0&lf=1&lf2=0&lf3=0&type=2&style=320&size=2&timeFrameToggle=false&compareToToggle=false&indicatorsToggle=false&chartStyleToggle=false&state=12&x=71&y=14

      Guess what? The company has kept pace with its peers in the stock. This is actually impressive when you consider the size and age of the company when P/E ratios generally drop and companies generally become less nimble and considering the number of new entrants on an annual basis.

      So, you leave the third unfounded statement that coincides with the Slashdot hive mind and I smack it down with actual facts again. It is just too easy.

    15. Re:I'd love to be in his class by the_B0fh · · Score: 2

      Isn't it the point that he single handedly pissed away Microsoft's lead in tablets, phones, office, windows and Xbox? Making lots of money is easy when you have an illegal monopoly you can leverage.

    16. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Your analysis is only partly correct; you've missed out on all the other business software they make tons of money on. MS is only highly profitable because of their business software, and the usage of their software in offices: Windows, Office, Sharepoint, Windows Server, SQL Server, etc etc. The place where they're failing abysmally is with consumers: they still sell (desktop) Windows of course, but they probably don't make much money with the home versions, and people aren't buying new PCs that much any more, and instead are buying smartphones and tablets (iOS and Android). MS's consumer offerings are ignored or laughed at: Surface, Windows Phone, etc. haven't done well. Xbox doesn't look like it's doing all that well any more either.

      Basically, if MS cut out most of the consumer ventures, they'd be far more profitable. But there's definitely a tie-in there: people like to use software at work that they're familiar with, so if MS abandons the consumer space altogether, it wouldn't be long before companies shift to something else for their desktops, and then the rest of the MS infrastructure would crumble too.

    17. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What planet do you live on? The reason I ask is because that here on Earth where I live, Microsoft stock was stalled at $30/share for about 10 years until 2013. So what you're suggesting is that the OS/Game/App segment of tech industry was stagnant until 2013. Hard to reconcile that view when you look at Apple, Google, Facebook, etc.. who are the actual "peers" of MS and have been successful in every market that MS has failed in.

    18. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      >I'll challenge you to find _one_ loyal customer of any of those products, one who actually prefers it to an Iphone, Ipod, cheap notebook, or Windows 7.

      I'm sorry to inform you, but it's not that hard to find a loyal customer for any of these products in online forums like this (though that person may just be a shill, it's impossible to tell). There's always some moron who pipes up and talks about how much he loves Windows 8 Metro or Surface or Windows Phone.

      As for the Zune, no one uses those any more because, just like no one uses iPods any more: they've been made obsolete by phones. But there's a fair number of people who said they really liked their Zunes just for playing MP3s (back when they used them), they just didn't like the crappy sharing feature or the MS music store or the way MS screwed up "PlaysForSure".

    19. Re:I'd love to be in his class by lord_mike · · Score: 1

      My reference to Exchange/Office was meant to include other "back office" products as well, since once a business is a "Microsoft shop", they tend to use Microsoft products for most of their other needs as well. While this is a highly profitable arrangement for Microsoft, it makes them even more vulnerable to a competitor coming in and offering an cheaper better solution by breaking up the "microsoft shop" mini-monopolies at businesses. Microsoft doesn't tend to fare well with open competition once their barriers to access have been broken. Blackberry was very successful and made a lot of money, too, but were also extremely vulnerable and collapsed with frightening speed. I would be somewhat nervous if I was a Microsoft shareholder... only somewhat nervous since they have a lot of cash to burn before they crash, but their future looks kind of shaky at the moment.

    20. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you look at the chart? I compared MSFT to the broader tech market.

      One other thing that I did not take into account, is that MSFT has a higher then normal dividend payout (compared to tech companies). If you factor this in, MSFT likely outperformed its peer group.

    21. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By what metric? http://www.marketwatch.com/inv... $62 Billion in revenue in 2010 and 87 Billion when he retired.

      Fuck revenues, show me some earnings!

      Net income: 18.76B 23.15B 16.98B 21.86B 22.07B.

      So he brought in $25B more in 2014 than in 2010? So what? Almost all the revenue gains are being consumed by management. Bloated headcount, top-heavy management, and everyone right down to the line employees looking out for their own little fiefdoms instead of, you know, the shareholders.

      I am so fucking sick of this "grow or die" mentality in tech. It's bullshit. MSFT had an enormous and wonderful cash cow in the form of XP/7/Office. XBox is fun but has cost the company billions over the past decade. 8 has destroyed their former desktop dominance.

      The company needs core team to maintain and upgrade the core OS and office components, maintain the UI as-is because it was complete 14 years ago, and fire the UX team that wants to dynamically e-leverage your synergies every six months. Make the OS and office suite a subscription service: $5/month for security updates. Fire everybody who's not part of the core business, along with the bloated management structures they bring along with them. Milk the cash cow.

      MSFT trades at $45/sh and reports about $2.50/sh in earnings. Even its current bloated structure would pay investors back in 18 years. Well, you don't have 18 years under this business model, but since I've just fired two-thirds of the company (fuck your Xbone, fuck the UX team, fuck the 8/Mobile failures) and cut its SG&A and Development expenses (about $2/sh and $1/sh respectively), I've just doubled your earnings. Now you have a company that does about $70B revenues and $40B in profits , or $5/sh. Hike the dividend to $4/sh, save $1/sh for a rainy day or further stock buybacks (same thing as a dividend, really), and the time to get your money back is now less than 10 years.

      If anyone is still using MSFT products 10 years from now, everything you get after that point is free money. If you're a real company, stop acting like a two-bit startup without an exit plan, and start making some actual money, rather than just squandering your revenues on whatever your management's latest pipe dream is.

    22. Re:I'd love to be in his class by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      For me, I am hard to pressed to think of something that Ballmer actually brought that was new and not a hold over from Gates. Windows, Office, Windows Server, and SQL Server all existed before Ballmer took over. I think Xbox was also in the works too when Gates left. Sharepoint to me isn't exactly something to celebrate. Instead, I see Ballmer squander opportunities. Windows Mobile was the largest mobile platform at one point until iPhone and Android decimated it because it became stagnant. MS missed badly on the MP3 player and released one when the market was already shifting to smart phones. Windows Tablets existed long before the iPad but sold poorly. Vista was a poorly executed successor to Windows XP.

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    23. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear God, you cite numbers that disagree with your conclusion.

      In your own numbers, Net Income went up roughly 17% in four years. That is still pretty darn healthy. When Ballmer took over Net Income was just over 9 Billion. Again, it went up by more than double in those 14 years.

      The rest of your rant is just that... a rant. You throw out your feelings without any backing.

    24. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      Your analysis is only partly correct; you've missed out on all the other business software they make tons of money on. MS is only highly profitable because of their business software, and the usage of their software in offices: Windows, Office, Sharepoint, Windows Server, SQL Server, etc etc. The place where they're failing abysmally is with consumers: they still sell (desktop) Windows of course, but they probably don't make much money with the home versions, and people aren't buying new PCs that much any more, and instead are buying smartphones and tablets (iOS and Android). MS's consumer offerings are ignored or laughed at: Surface, Windows Phone, etc. haven't done well. Xbox doesn't look like it's doing all that well any more either.

      Basically, if MS cut out most of the consumer ventures, they'd be far more profitable. But there's definitely a tie-in there: people like to use software at work that they're familiar with, so if MS abandons the consumer space altogether, it wouldn't be long before companies shift to something else for their desktops, and then the rest of the MS infrastructure would crumble too.

      So they are slowly becoming the IBM of the software industry?

      So, when will they sell the consumer parts to a Chinese company?

    25. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      > it's not that hard to find a loyal customer

      Then please, do name one. Please don't say "it's easy to do". If it's that easy, feel free.

      > But there's a fair number of people who said they really liked their Zunes just for playing MP3s (back when they used them), they just didn't like the crappy sharing feature or the MS music store or the way MS screwed up "PlaysForSure".

      I'm afraid that you've just reinforced my point.

    26. Re:I'd love to be in his class by gtall · · Score: 1

      "de-incentiving"...clearly you are not MBA material. This should be "de-incentivising". Let's use it in a sentence, shall we: With the leading indicators trailing down, and the trailing indicators leading up, we are energizing the workforce into a synergistic Total Product Reversal by de-incentivising the individuals with respect to their personal incentives so that they may contribute to the overwhelming strategy we are developing vis-a-vis our growth outlook.

    27. Re:I'd love to be in his class by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      And they tend not to want to spend huge sums of money rewriting their custom code and rebuying all the third-party stuff, assuming it's even available for Linux or whatever else you think a competitor would be. What are the drop-in replacements for Exchange, SQL Server, .NET, Sharepoint, Dynamics and Biztalk? Migrating away from Blackberry is easy by comparison. There are plenty of MDMs available nowadays, including one from Microsoft.

    28. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      >Then please, do name one. Please don't say "it's easy to do". If it's that easy, feel free.

      I don't have to, just go read through the comments. You'll find a MS-lover sooner or later. No, they aren't nearly as numerous or loud as Apple lovers, but they are out there. If you think there isn't a single MS fan out there in the world somewhere, you're seriously delusional.

    29. Re:I'd love to be in his class by gtall · · Score: 1

      What you see as a monopoly, MS users see as integration.

      There is no obvious candidate to offer what MS is offering businesses. And the entrenched apps only run on Winders.

      I'd like to see MS destroyed, every last venomous tentacle of it. Currently, I see no vehicle for that to happen.

    30. Re:I'd love to be in his class by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I think many people feel that Microsoft missed the boat on many opportunities.
      The Mobile market to start with. They had a Mobile OS years before Microsoft and failed to innovate enough to move it into the consumer market. They had a lock on enterprise email but it was RIM that made the solution for mobile email.
      They failed in the media market.
      They are doing well in enterprise but Chromebooks and boxes are becoming more of a danger. They are not doing well in the tablet market at all. WP8 is good but maybe too little too late.

      Yes he did well at making money during his time as CEO but is the company in a good position for the future? That is up for debate.
      All in all I agree with you. Microsoft was not destroyed at all it may not have been lead as well as it could have but it did well.

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    31. Re:I'd love to be in his class by kuzb · · Score: 1

      >The desktop Windows market is shrinking rapidly

      No it isn't. All you're seeing is that PCs are now better built and more robust. People don't need the latest breakthrough in technology because the last breakthroughs are still carrying them. I ran my last video card for 6 years before I felt the need to replace it and that was because it was damaged, not because the specs of the card itself were not good enough.

      What you see as a "shrinking market share" is actually people who are happy enough with their current setup that they feel no need to change it.

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    32. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft is a for-profit company--and if your primary metric is revenue, then you are correct.

      However, the mistakes are more of the 'what if', variety. Many of the decisions people were advocating for that would have been better for MS, Ballmer completely torpedoed or ignored. FOr example, Ballmer made a massive fuck up of MS's business strategies---including not initially taking Google seriously, missing the mobile wagon almost completely, and having a mostly stagnant stock. Remember the stock shot UP 10% when he announced he was leaving. That's not normal--and it's a good sign that people were really fucking glad he was leaving. Additionally, his famous 'developers, developers, developers' rant is immensely revealing in that this is a person who was CEO of one of the most successful corporations ever, but didn't even grasp the basic premise of adding MORE resources to a problem doesn't mean solving it any faster or in a better way.

      When I heard Ballmer was leaving the board, I bought stock. Fuck Ballmer.

    33. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, too bad the S&P outperformed Microsoft for that time which means Microsoft was below average. If you consider being worse than the S&P a success then what would be a failure? An Enron style collapse? Ok, so he managed to not completely bankrupt the company, clearly a genius!

    34. Re:I'd love to be in his class by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What's the difference?

      What matters to Microsoft is Windows sales per unit time. These are cut down for several reasons. First, computers are lasting longer. There are no longer massive improvements in performance in a few years, and so the number of replacements sold is down. Second, lots of people don't really need Windows, but can get by just fine with tablets and Chromebooks and such. Third, and this is probably minor, Windows 8 bombed because Microsoft insisted on pushing a crappy UI on it.

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    35. Re:I'd love to be in his class by fredprado · · Score: 1

      Sure it is, but the CEO is a critical part of it.

    36. Re:I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A company like MS can coast for quite a while...

  3. Professor Balmer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hope there are enough seat (bolted to the floor).

  4. Will the chairs be bolted to the floor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would want to know this before attending.

  5. Take away that fucking chair !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    No chair allows in the class !

    1. Re:Take away that fucking chair !! by Cryacin · · Score: 1

      Next, on Jerry Springer...

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  6. professor processor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does he even have a professor degree?

    1. Re:professor processor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no such thing as a "professor degree".

    2. Re: professor processor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like a teaching degree, but without the ability to teach.

    3. Re:professor processor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kind of like calling someone else we know a "constitutional scholar".

    4. Re:professor processor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      John Roberts?

    5. Re:professor processor by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Anyone can be a professor; you just have to get some college to give you that job. You don't need any kind of degree. It's just that, usually, colleges require an advanced degree (usually PhD) to be a professor, but they can hire whomever they want, so if they want to waive or lessen that requirement because of "industry experience", they can.

  7. "...will teach an MBA class..." by Cornwallis · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Guaranteeing yet another generation of assholes will be coming down the pike.

    1. Re:"...will teach an MBA class..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What part of "MBA class" was unclear? There is no other outcome.

    2. Re:"...will teach an MBA class..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can there be any other outcome when MBA stands for Most Bullshitting Assholes.

  8. must be a mistake in the summary by slashdice · · Score: 1

    I think he's teaching high school phys-ed.

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    1. Re:must be a mistake in the summary by GameboyRMH · · Score: 3, Funny

      I was thinking he looks like he was born to be a gym teacher. He has plenty of energy, a balding head, and he sweats profusely.

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    2. Re:must be a mistake in the summary by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      And he's fat. I've seen lots of high school gym coaches who were fat.

    3. Re:must be a mistake in the summary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those are the same qualifications for used-car salesman.

  9. Is he a scientist? by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is he an actual scientist? Did he do any scientific research? Did he merit a the title of university professor? Sure, he did make money, but that doesn't automatically mean he should earn a title that few people get after working very hard, usually without extreme luxury or profit.

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    1. Re:Is he a scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Empirical science includes the failed attempts.

    2. Re:Is he a scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet some people say that only people with real-world experience should be teaching in schools.

    3. Re:Is he a scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only the title says "professor", nowhere in the actual article (I know! actually reading it?!?!?!) does it give him any title other than "instructor" or equivalent. It even says in the summary he is working with a professor to design the course. That tells me he's just going to be the guy writing on the chalkboard, acting like he's breaking iphones, and throwing chairs.

      Last I checked, you don't need to be a scientist to be a professor, much less an instructor. After all, there are PhD's in history, music, and art out there.

    4. Re:Is he a scientist? by bsDaemon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well, apparently he did score a perfect 800 on the maths section of the SAT, graduated Harvard magna cum laude with a degree in applied mathematics economics, and won some maths related awards in university. But yeah, go on hating him to hate him. That's very mature of you. That said, he did drop out of Stanford's MBA program to join Microsoft and having the MBA himself would seem like a necessary part of being able to teach in an MBA program. However, 34 years of experience at one of the largest, most profitable companies ever, including many years as President before becoming CEO would certainly seem to be more than enough field experience during which to have gained wisdom (that is, knowing what not to do just as much as what to do) with regards to organizational leadership.

    5. Re:Is he a scientist? by jellomizer · · Score: 2

      Did you even go to college?

      1. Chances are he will be an Adjunct professor not a full professor. Adjuncts don't need a Doctorate they are normally students who are working on their PHDs but for the most part they are people with enough experience in the topic.

      2. What the heck does being a Scientist have to be about teaching classes in Business Administration? Now the MBA program does have a lot of classes that talk about process management which uses a lot of Computer Science methods. However the MBA isn't a Science based study but a research/practical based study. MBA program is a lot about reading case studies and working to find better solutions.

      3. Microsoft is one of the major software companies out there. Even under Balmers rule Microsoft performed rather well considering factors such as a major recession, shift away from desktop technologies, move towards cloud/web computing. A lot of disruptive influences could have killed Microsoft the last decade but the company is still a force to be reckoned with. It takes good leadership to keep such a large company going threw such issues.

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    6. Re:Is he a scientist? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Who called him a "scientist"? He's teaching a Business Administration class, not CS.

      Who (other than the /. headline) implied he was being granted a professorship? TFA refers to him as "practitioner" who's being paired with an "academic scholar".

      MBA programs routinely bring in people who may have no academic credentials but have real-world experience administering a business, because they provide valuable insight into the application of the principles that the academics lecture about. Even an ill-tempered in-over-his-head schmuck like Ballmer has knowledge that would benefit business students (e.g. all the mistakes he made).

      So what's your problem with that?

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    7. Re:Is he a scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did he merit a the title of university professor?

      TFA does not mention professor anywhere in it. The submitter added it. Adjunct Professor - Industry may be a more appropriate title, YMMV based on the specific university policies surrounding such titles. But tenure-track on a whim? Most likely not, this is academia we are talking about after all....

    8. Re:Is he a scientist? by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Is he an actual scientist? Did he do any scientific research? Did he merit a the title of university professor? Sure, he did make money, but that doesn't automatically mean he should earn a title that few people get after working very hard, usually without extreme luxury or profit.

      He's not teaching science, he's teaching business, a subject that as the former CEO of Microsoft he should know a lot about.

      And so what if he didn't earn the title the same way a PhD did? (though he won't be a full Professor)

      It's not about granting him some privilege, it's about giving the students the best business education and I have to think he's in a good position to do that.

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    9. Re:Is he a scientist? by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 2

      Like him or hate him the man assisted in creating one of the most powerful commercial entities in history, one that negotiated not just with whole countries but with entire continents. I'd personally pay good money to get a peek behind the curtains, that's the kind of experience you don't usually get in academia, or anywhere.

    10. Re:Is he a scientist? by metlin · · Score: 3, Informative

      B-schools often hire people who are not in academia per se, but have rich real world experience in solving business problems.

      For instance, you will often find senior partners from top consulting firms teaching classes, because they bring to bear not just academic knowledge but also practical experience.

      People who do their MBA are not there to just learn the latest and greatest management technique from academia -- they also seek to apply that to the real world.

      And this is not just true for MBAs -- it is also true for law schools, medical schools, and many other professional degrees. You'll find former judges and lawyers teaching classes, and you'll find doctors and surgeons with real world experience tempering your academic knowledge with their real world experience.

      Public policy is another area where you former civil servants often teaching classes.

    11. Re:Is he a scientist? by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Anyone in the position he was in would have been able to ride that wave. EVERY product he wanted to happen, and shove through regardless of market, failed.

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    12. Re:Is he a scientist? by geekoid · · Score: 2

      I disagree. His total experience is with one company, during a unique point in history. You can't teach that because nothing else applies.

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    13. Re:Is he a scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not a Ballmer fan, but I think he's perfect for this sort of student. Lets face it: An MBA is not an academic degree in the same way a MS in Chemistry or Literature is. Everyone I know with an MBA got it because his/her job wanted them to get it to be eligible for a promotion. Those that get the degree need a mix of practical skills/knowledge about the business landscape, not theories on Keynsian economics from a textbook. Say what you want about Ballmer but he has worked at/managed one of the largest (and for a period, fastest growing) companies of the past 50 years. That's worth something to these students.

    14. Re:Is he a scientist? by Nemyst · · Score: 1

      MBAs aren't like scientific disciplines. Work experience is far more valuable in that context than any sort of research, since it's much closer to a trade school degree than to a university one. As for whether Ballmer's work experience is going to be good for his students....

    15. Re:Is he a scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I guess if you define "organizational leadership" as the ability to lead your organization into the ground, then yes, he has great experience which I'm sure qualifies him for some sort of honorary satirical MBA... I think your respect is ill-applied. You should never respect anyone who doesn't respect you back, and Steve Ballmer has no respect for his workers, technology or the world. Just money. That's what makes him a loser, despite whatever academic achievements he may have accomplished 30 years ago, and despite whatever his bank statement says..

    16. Re:Is he a scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anyone in the position he was in would have been able to ride that wave.

      Do the names Fiorina and McNealy ring a bell? Ballmer may only deserve a B- but only a fool would say that he's a failure.

      EVERY product he wanted to happen, and shove through regardless of market, failed.

      Proof positive that you know jack about the enterprise space.

    17. Re:Is he a scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Professors in business school often come from successful industry firms. Honestly, as someone who has lived and breathed academia for the last 10+ years, after working in industry from some time, other departments could learn a thing or two from the business department. There is no shortage of CS PhDs who, IMNSHO, don't merit the title of university professor. While working on my PhD I went through an entrepreneurial program in the graduate school of management where there were more than a few industry leaders. IMNSHO, CS departments could learn a thing or two from business schools.

    18. Re: Is he a scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve Jobs also had no respect for anyone or anything, even cancer. He still managed to launch products.

    19. Re:Is he a scientist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course he does.

      Most students enter university (note: very expensive in USA) for a better future, one which earns lots of money, extreme luxury and profit without having to work very hard and get crazy in labs. They need professors like him.

      Stop talking like it's bad to be like him, we don't live in Star Trek world.

    20. Re:Is he a scientist? by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      graduated Harvard magna cum laude with a degree in applied mathematics economics, and won some maths related awards in university. But yeah, go on hating him to hate him. That's very mature of you.

      Very telling that every one of those accomplishments were from his school days and not in a professional setting.

      However, 34 years of experience at one of the largest, most profitable companies ever

      And promptly pissing away Microsoft's relevance the second he was put in charge of it. Microsoft still dominates in office suites and desktop operating systems, but has missed every boat on the mobile devices that are supplanting desktops and the Microsoft ecosystem.

    21. Re:Is he a scientist? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      What does science have to do with professorships? Who do you think teach liberal arts? chemists?

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    22. Re:Is he a scientist? by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      So someone who's only been married to one person is unqualified to share their experiences about spousal relationships with young people? I have a cousin who just got married; I guess I should warn her that her parents (and grandparents) don't know anything about married life.

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  10. Lesson one by argStyopa · · Score: 2

    Lesson 1: if the company executives are bigger news than the company and more importantly, its products, then you're doing something seriously wrong.

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    1. Re:Lesson one by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Lesson 1: if the company executives are bigger news than the company and more importantly, its products, then you're doing something seriously wrong.

      Like Steve Jobs?

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    2. Re:Lesson one by geekoid · · Score: 1

      If the thing Steve Jobs pushed failed, then Yes.

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    3. Re:Lesson one by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Like Elon Musk?

    4. Re:Lesson one by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Except nobody outside of tech circles knows who elon musk is. They all know what "Tesla Motors" is though.

      It's like saying James Maxwell was bigger than his math/physics/ideas. This is only true if you're student of it. For everyone else, the conveniences that came out of the ideas are the big thing, and most don't even know who he was.

      On the other hand, everyone and his dog knows who Steve Jobs is, because he was such a narcissist that he set everything up to make it seem like it was all his idea.

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    5. Re:Lesson one by DerekLyons · · Score: 0

      Except nobody outside of tech circles knows who elon musk is.

      You should get out of your bubble more, because you're completely and utterly clueless.

    6. Re:Lesson one by kuzb · · Score: 1

      Walk down the street and ask a bunch of people who Elon Musk is. You might find you're a little more clueless than you previously thought.

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    7. Re:Lesson one by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Like Hatorade?

  11. Professor Ballmer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All I can say is:

    "Yeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!" :-D

  12. Step #1 Find a Geek by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 3, Funny

    Step #2, follow him into success.

    Step #4, take over the company when he steps down.

    Step #5, fail repeatedly throughout a decade.

    Step #6, teach MBA class at Stanford and USC.

    1. Re:Step #1 Find a Geek by ubersoldat2k7 · · Score: 1

      Where's Step #3? WHERE'S IT?!? I can't continue without it?!?

    2. Re:Step #1 Find a Geek by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2

      Silly man, everybody knows, "Step #3: Profit!"

    3. Re:Step #1 Find a Geek by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 2

      He just followed Bill Gates example;

      Step #1, Join a group of geeks creating Basic

      Step #2, Copyright their openly shared work and then sue them.

      Step #3, Hire a hacker to steal CP/M and reelable the drive letters, then repeat the "steal IP and then sue them" procedure

      Step #4, Repeat the taking of other's ideas and then buy their stock when it collapses then stop suing yourself.

      Step #5, Act like a good lawyer repeatedly and have everyone call you a geek.

      Step #6, Retire in luxury and donate some money to some causes instead of pointing out that a thousand other millionaires might have allowed other people to feel achievement rather than put someone on a pedestal who was just a savvy predatory capitalist.

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    4. Re:Step #1 Find a Geek by StormReaver · · Score: 1

      Your posting mirrors my own thoughts. Ballmer has absolutely no business teaching anything even remotely related to business, as he has failed at it horribly. He could potentially be a one-class guest speaker on how to pitch a product by parodying others, but that's his only business qualification outside of, "would you like fries with that?"

      The only reason Ballmer got any time at Microsoft is because of his friendship with Bill Gates. Microsoft's janitors probably have more business qualifications than Ballmer.

    5. Re:Step #1 Find a Geek by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1
      Corrections from above.

      Step #2, follow him into success.

      Step #3, take over the company when he steps down.

      Step #4, fail repeatedly throughout a decade.

      Step #5, somehow get company to pay you over $20 billion for step #4.

      Step #6, teach MBA class at Stanford and USC.

    6. Re:Step #1 Find a Geek by Dr.+Evil · · Score: 1

      I'm okay with Ballmer being friends with Gates and getting a company.

      I'm kinda okay with Ballmer being inept and driving it in circles for a decade. He's practically a founder and he was personally chosen by the founder. He should feel guilty that a lot of people's careers were screwed up by his poor leadership, but without Gates in Microsoft, Apple and Google flourished.

      Sometimes the personal relationships and unfairness at the top is the stuff which leads to a company's wild success. Apple and Facebook are good examples.

      But to teach two courses?

      It's a discredit to the schools.

      He should be pulled out in a cage as a specimin of "real business leaders" and studied from a distance.

      Microsoft's janitor's certainly have more qualifications. They've had to at least interview and apply for a job in their life.

  13. Teach what? by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    How to be a prick? ( well, a lucky wealthy prick.. but still a prick )

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  14. Isn't that how Gates... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Got his honorary diploma?

    I'm sure there's dozens or hundreds of other examples, and the same applies.

    Hell if you have enough money and donate it correctly some places will give you an ACTUAL diploma and, if required, make some backdated paperwork fall into the archives.

  15. In defense of Mr. Ballmer... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Something I *think* MOST of you will understand if not appreciate: He's got REAL WORLD experience in business... not just "widgets".

    It matters...

    Put it THIS way, from my own academic & then real world experience coding (taking a break from academia when Fortune 500 companies picked me up, & I did what great athletes often do in "heck with the Heisman trophy - I am going after the millions NOW, & will finish my degree later when I can easily afford to do so, scholarship notwithstanding"):

    I took off in my 1st semester of my 2nd year of an Associates Degree in Comp. Sci. (where we started out with hundreds of CS students & only 10 of us were left @ the end in 1994) to work & make MONEY (the end-goal usually/ordinarily of getting a degree, along with knowledge too of course).

    Why? Same reasoning as athletes do it as I noted above! My reasoning was "Why work hard AND PAY FOR IT, rather than get PAID TO WORK HARD?"

    It worked out pretty ok!

    I went back in 2010 to finish off my CS Associates between jobs in fact & it was CAKE compared to when I started out in it back in the 90's (working professionally ever since almost continuously in the field in fact)... it wasn't easy when I was 'green'/a rookie in academia though. I remember telling my Ma (who was a 22++ yr. computer person) "This is TOO HARD" & she said "Worse guys than you have gotten thru it, so can you: Don't give up!" & 2 guys (one deceased, Mr. Ron Procopio God rest his soul - GOOD man & Mr. Leon Rivkin, best CS mind I know personally in fact & a wealthy man now bigtime, saved me).

    However/Disclaimer: Do I *agree* with some of Mr. Ballmer's business moves @ MS? The business ones, overall, I can't argue with (since THAT seems to be his 'forte' more than tech, by far) - he always said "The stock's doing great & has never been higher valued" etc. & he seemed to be able to back it up (with 'tricks' though, much like downsizing via the rotten "bottom 10% of coders get the shaft" evaluation system they have @ MS, which sucks, since to work there in the 1st place you *HAVE* to be pretty damned good & I know for a fact you do (they approached ME, not the other way around, in 2003 -> http://developers.slashdot.org... & I didn't "make the grade" (then, but I bet I would, now... albeit 11++ yrs. later AFTER more experience professionally)).

    However, his blunders with Windows 8 (not under the skin/covers, there's GOOD STUFF there) & the interface? BAD MOVE... seems to prove he doesn't understand his user market's needs and tried a "tail will wag the dog" idea & failed.

    Nobody's perfect all the time though.

    APK

    P.S.=> Real world PRACTICAL hands-on experience "in the trenches", matters (& yes, I have a Bachelors in Business Administration with MIS minor too ontop of the CS, so... I feel that the SAME IDEA applies to business, just as it would in CS)... apk

  16. Those who can't... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's been said many times - Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

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    1. Re:Those who can't... by gsslay · · Score: 2

      And those who don't, comment on those who do.

    2. Re:Those who can't... by djbckr · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's been said many times - Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

      I know where that saying comes from as I have had numerous terrible teachers. However I have had many amazing teachers both in normal public schools and in the corporate world. These people could "do". I also used to teach a popular corporate class and my students always appreciated my insights into the product I taught because I actually worked with it in real life. I quit because of the travel and relatively low pay, but I can very much "do".

      I suppose what I'm getting at is, I don't like that saying - it implies that teachers can't do what they teach. I think that's probably the bad apples that create that sentiment. Along the same lines as "99% of the lawyers give the rest a bad name." I'm sure there are a few more percent that are good.

    3. Re:Those who can't... by gtall · · Score: 1

      Really? Care to compete against the physics, chemistry, mathematics professors, Einstein?

    4. Re:Those who can't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's been said many times - Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

      And those who can't teach, throw chairs.

    5. Re:Those who can't... by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      This is especially true of the Suicide Bomber Training Academy.

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    6. Re:Those who can't... by GreatDrok · · Score: 1

      "It's been said many times - Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach."

      I prefer "Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach, and those who can't teach, manage"

      In Ballmer's case he seems to be going around in circles, rather like Microsoft who can't choose a direction and stick with it.

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    7. Re:Those who can't... by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, because I was being completely and totally serious.

      Lighten up, jackass.

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    8. Re:Those who can't... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And those who can't teach, teach gym class.

  17. Maybe... by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

    Maybe he should teach about how not to run a company into the ground by going over his tenure at Msoft.

  18. Grant money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how much the school is getting for allowing him to teach there. A Balmer CIS lab, library, gymnasium?

  19. Chair throwing 101. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    by professor SB.

  20. Leadership And The Physics of Furnishings by daniel23 · · Score: 1

    Discussing the motivational forces driving an active leadership role participants will train to mobilise and focus energies.
    (Protective clothing recommended)

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  21. Some tentative ideas for Ballmer courses by Lamps · · Score: 1

    Biz 101: How to ingratiate yourself with the right people
    Biz 324: Managing technical staff for the non-technical (focus on developers)
    Biz 412: Diversifying your product offerings, and what to do when you fail at it

  22. The Ethics Module by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Rumor has it that he will be the guest speaker when they go over the ethics module for the courses. #keepyourhandsonyourwallet

  23. here's a copy of the syllabus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The semester is 15 weeks. Please complete the readings for each topic prior to class.

    1. Developers! 2. Developers! 3. Developers! 4. Developers! 5. Developers! 6. Developers! 7. breather 8. Developers! 9. Developers! 10. Developers! 11. Developers! 12. Term paper due, developing themes explored in class. 13. Developers! 14. Developers! 15. in class Final Exam (covering material developed through the semester)

    There will be three optional evening seminars covering real estate. (1. Location! 2. Location! 3. Location!)

  24. He made mistakes (best lesson of all)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Per my subject-line above: Don't know about the rest of you, but mistakes of my own have been MY greatest lessons (that stuck with me, the most) from my own personal life and yes, career experience.

    * What does one *REALLY* get from them? The ability to teach OTHERS how to avoid them (even if/when they 'look good up front', if you didn't think-out ALL the variables in the equation, or underestimate the weight some terms carry thinking they're negligible, you can be WRONG...)

    I got into more IN HIS DEFENSE though (having real world practical hands on business experience, mistakes & all, here that work in HIS favor though as an educator http://news.slashdot.org/comme... which I think qualifies him as a valid instructor, PhD notwithstanding, since I learned that "hands-on experience in the trenches" is worth FAR MORE than academia (gives you foundations & some tricks to avoid reinventing wheels, but it pales compared to actually doing the job for decades professionally - from MY personal experience some of which is outlined in that link above... & why I did it HOW I did it).

    The man wasn't "all failures", far from it... but his failures (Windows 8 interface mostly - dumb move that defies reasoning like saying "now your Ford/Chevy will have motorcycle brakes and gears vs. what you've used your ENTIRE LIFE in cars instead - 'this is good for you, we know best'" (bullshit & bad move/reasoning + the results proved it to be as I knew years ago with many others it WOULD be -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... for those VERY reasons... why? Heck, I am a user, not just a coder, is why... Mr. Ballmer overlooked that! That demonstrates a "disconnect" with his customers imo... too much "stock price focus", from a business standpoint - not enough knowledge of your target market)).

    APK

    P.S.=> Lastly, on a "humorous note": I am *SURPRISED* no one said "He'll be a lab monkey there" since everyone calls him "Monkey Boy" (due to that video where he 'went off' a WEE bit, lol - but I can understand him being enthusiastic about his company & 'venting' his enthusiasm how he did... I wouldn't have done it QUITE to that level, but that's just me, not he, & he's done better than I have financially for sure... can't argue with success)... apk

    1. Re:He made mistakes (best lesson of all)... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, but how 'bout them host files ? ? ?

  25. I just read his lesson plan by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    Lesson 1: Make sure your college roommate is Bill Gates.
    Lesson 2: Drop out. You don't need this stuff, go make money.
    Lesson 3: Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers.
    Lesson 4: When a monopoly is handed to you, ride it into the ground.
    Lesson 5: When no one likes you, it's proper to own the L. A. Clippers.

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  26. Is he a scientist? by Lamps · · Score: 1

    Have you met some of the MBAs who teach business courses? For a shock, try asking a few of them some fundamental stats questions that a person who has taken some grad-level stats courses (a prerequisite for many scientific/quantitative fields) should be able to answer. I can tell you about MBA profs who use statistical analysis allegedly on a regular basis without knowing the term "R^2".

    Ballmer's probably a step up from quite a few people career academics in the business field.

  27. Professor of intellectual property laws. by neghvar1 · · Score: 1

    I can just imagine how biased and one-sided this class would be

  28. Dance classes? by sandbagger · · Score: 1

    Just wondering.

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  29. OK: MS made another mistake there too... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Windows 8 (a failure OS version for sure) - However, I found a work-around along with others on that note & I rather easily "shot down" metrix007 on it too -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p...

    Since MS made a BIG MISTAKE in Windows 8's "Windows Defender/MS Security Essentials"... big time.

    (Which antivirus are NOT that effective nowadays, even Symantec stated they're only "55% effective" -> http://it.slashdot.org/story/1... nowadays vs. MODERN threat landscape players in botnets etc. - et al, & might as well be truthful - it's less, FAR less, since threats are no longer traditional exe attaching solely, but webbased malicious script etc. mostly, instead)...

    Heck: Even Aryeh Goretsky (my fellow slav, & of NOD32/ESET fame, won't touch my challenges on hosts -> http://it.slashdot.org/comment... when I DIRECTLY confronted him to do so, nicely ...

    That tell YOU anything? It did me...

    It told me that my points on them giving users of them more speed, security, reliability, & more are inviolate & perfect, as stated... (fact with valid backing above, while I confronted "giants" in the field without a doubt, directly).

    APK

    P.S.=> Of course, lastly, since YOU brought up hosts files? You're more than welcome to disprove my points on hosts giving users more speed, security, reliability, + more, more efficiently, better than ANY single competitor in browser addons out there (fixing DNS redirect security issues too, bonus) with less moving parts complexity & room for breakdown, natively vs. "bolting on more overheads" & not doing as good a job in PREVENTING infestation before it can begin + even cutting off botnet communication back to C&C servers even *IF* you are already infected (bonus) for any webbound app - NOT just browsers) -> http://tech.slashdot.org/comme... ok?

    Good luck - you'll NEED it (more like a Miracle if the esteemed likes of Mr. Goretsky won't even debate me on my points...)

    ... apk

    1. Re:OK: MS made another mistake there too... apk by NeverVotedBush · · Score: 1

      I totally believe in custom hosts files to help block ads, malware, etc. Thankfully they can be implemented on Linux, Mac OS, and even Winders.

      I go a step further. I use a Winders box for most surfing just because it's also my gaming box. I use a Linux box for anything financial, e-mail, etc. I know the Windows box is possibly more vulnerable to compromise and putting it out in that environment is probably a worse way to pick up something unwanted, but it beats having a third system for general web browsing running Linux.

      But hosts files are a first line of defense and sure make the whole online experience much nicer and undoubtedly safer.

  30. TEACHING???? by Jahoda · · Score: 1

    How long have I been sleeping? What exactly is there for this man to teach? How to destroy every strategic advantage your company has in 10 years? I mean, I suppose arrogance and ineptitude ARE characteristics of the MBA.

  31. clippy says by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

    It looks like the semester is over do you want me to make small changes to the textbooks so you can have a new edition?

  32. "Great minds think alike"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and more importantly imo, here http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> Anyhow/anyways: Kudos to you per my subject-line above... apk

    1. Re:"Great minds think alike"... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except that I could understand what the hell he wrote.

      Yours reads like stream of consciousness crap with "apk" sprinkled all over. Ego much?

    2. Re:"Great minds think alike"... apk by metlin · · Score: 1

      I would add a nuance to your point and state that real world experience matters in IT, but not in CS.

      Computer Science is more about algorithms, systems architecture, and a lot of math. I did very little programming when I did CS in grad school and a whole lot of pretty awesome math (computational complexity, graphics, optimizations etc). Not sure about undergrad, since I did ECE, which, once again, was a whole lot of math (DSP, control systems, engineering electromagnetics, circuit theory, VLSI etc).

      In any event, real-world relevance is more important to IT than it is to CS. I would say that it is however somewhat important in engineering, which, once again, is a professional degree.

    3. Re:"Great minds think alike"... apk by Keith111 · · Score: 1

      That's true in some cases, but very false in others. CS is not just about math, in fact, I have done almost no complex math since I left college and started my career like 7 years ago. CS to me has been more about critical problem solving, high impact design, and making sure you don't cause more work with the work you do. I work on a highly parallel data warehouse that uses both hardware and azure vm services and while I need almost no math, there is an incredible amount of research and thinking that go into it. This is one area where experience is quite important, but fancy algorithms are almost entirely useless.

    4. Re:"Great minds think alike"... apk by metlin · · Score: 1

      I would characterize those areas as IT and software engineering, and not necessarily Computer Science.

      I would perhaps state that some areas of computing (e.g., systems design, architecture) are better grouped under software engineering, given their nature.

      I almost feel that there needs a distinction between software engineering and computer science. To paraphrase David Parnas, computer science studies the properties of computation in general while software engineering is the design of specific computations to achieve practical goals.

      Muddling the two disciplines causes heartache because you have people who are great at designing software, but cannot grok advanced math; and on the other hand, you potentially limit your solutions to what's within the realm of current applicability, without exploring other possibilities (e..g, reinventing new algorithms for quantum computation).

  33. Class Titles: by geekoid · · Score: 1

    101 - How to keep stocks flat.
    102 - Ignoring the market How to spend billion to have a product fail
    103 - The most important class - How to get lucky and land at a company just before the stocks rocket due to nothing you've personally done.

    --
    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
  34. Gasp! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think of the children!!!!!

  35. Corrected course title by amanaplanacanalpanam · · Score: 1

    "TRAMGT588: Leading organizations - what not to do"

  36. details aobut his USC gig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Balmer has been appointed to the Steve Job's endowed USC's Marshall School of Business Chair of Asshattery

  37. Steve Jobs wasn't any different... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He attached himself to a FAR greater technical mind in Mr. Steve Wozniak (my fellow pole, & technical 'whiz-kid' from his teens on).

    Seems to be a "working formula" for MONETARY (key point) success, only - not actual respectable technical success to go with it, which personally I value FAR more!

    (Mr. Ballmer OR Mr. Jobs' route? Again - Not one I respect personally actually, but it works & "proof's in the pudding" & there IS no arguing with success... or the numbers).

    APK

    P.S.=> Jobs would've probably ended up doing the same - he DID have business saavy, from experience, like Mr. Ballmer (it means a LOT -> http://news.slashdot.org/comme... and http://news.slashdot.org/comme... ), but I always felt he was (not to speak ill of the dead, just opinion, albeit based on the premise YOU laid out & my reply response above to it) more of a "10,000 ft. bullshitter" who read up first, & could talk turkey since he did, HOWEVER, NOT WHERE IT MATTERS MOST - the devils of the low-level details! I don't respect that & can usually "see thru it" a mile off (so can most of you I suspect) - since it shows DEPENDENCY on leeching off others of FAR greater brilliance... apk

    1. Re:Steve Jobs wasn't any different... apk by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      Woz was very brilliant but he wasn't very practical.

      Steve Jobs was a genius in his own right, but not necessarily the hacker/engineer of Woz -- but he worked very closely with design engineers.

      His name is on hundreds of patents and that's not because he sat back and just signed them.

      Woz alone would never have created anything like Apple, and Steve Jobs without Woz could not have either -- in life, we can't be good at everything, and it's a perfect storm if you can find people who can help you where you are weak.

      But don't compare Jobs to Balmer -- that's unfair and ridiculous.

      --
      >>"ad space available -- low rates!!!"
  38. Students students students Students students stude by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 1
    Students students students Students students students Students students students Students students students Students students students Students students students Students students students Students students students Students students students Students students students Students students students

    Please sing the lyric to the tune of Developers, Developers ...

    --
    sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
  39. Master of Fuckwit Studies by CnlPepper · · Score: 1

    Why would anyone want to listen to this lunatic?!

    1. Re:Master of Fuckwit Studies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ballmer is like Gordon Ramsay: all cocky and raving when speaking publicly, but actually a nice and calm person when you meet him personally. :)

    2. Re: Master of Fuckwit Studies by CnlPepper · · Score: 1

      I'm sure you are right, but don't fight the name man, don't fight the meme! :)

  40. He's as much of a scientist by wiredog · · Score: 1

    as my History professors and English professors were.

  41. "Students! Students! Students! Sudents!" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  42. NBA or MBA season? :)_ by Sri+Ramkrishna · · Score: 1

    I read that as 'start of the MBA season'.. and I was thinking.. no fucking wonder the guy had to leave. Jeezus.

  43. Course: 301 How to blow a billion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Course: 301 How to blow a billion on under powered tablets with no apps that isn't an iPad killer.

    This is the follow on to the 200 level course he taught several years ago, Zune:how to screw up an MP3 player

  44. hum by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay class!
    Rule#1 Lawyer up, in case of Bill Gates use your parents wealth and connections
    Rule#2 Steal others work through the bullshit partnership you create
    Rule#3 Threaten to sue your partners if they wont accept a buyout
    Rule#4 Charge your customers ridiculous prices for shit products and fuck em in the ass with customer support
    Rule#5 Somebody get me some fucking donuts and dildo to shove up my fat ass
    Rule#6 Have an excellent ahhhahahahahah customer hahahahahaha support ahahahaha, choke. Wait! Wait! Wait! that's rule #4
    Rule#7 I'm fucking lost here, quick somebody give me a tablet with a high contrast, not intuitive, with a large start screen in high

                            contrast so I can think
    Rule#6 There are only 4 rules WTF! am I doing, it's like my mind is in a shit hole, Oh that's right I gave the go for Windows 8.

  45. Mindshare dominance was temporary ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Ballmer defenders like to point out the stock value and revenue numbers, which is valid, however Ballmer's reign ended Microsoft's dominance in mindshare and allowed their monopoly to essentially break up.

    Mindshare dominance was temporary. And achieving it in the first place was not purely Microsoft's doing. The screwups of their competitors (Apple - Mac OS, IBM - OS/2) factored into this greatly. For example Apple's numerous errors in the late 80s and early 90s. Similarly Apple's getting things right is more recent years helped to end MS mindshare dominance. For example Apple switching to Intel and allowing Windows onto their hardware. This alone doubled Apple's market share. Windows was a necessity for many users, but by moving from a "choose one or the other" model to a "you can have both" model Apple exposed millions more to Mac OS X and got a greater piece of mindshare.

    That's the consumer side, now the server side. Servers were historically UNIX. Companies were grudgingly looking at Windows based servers due to ever increasing costs of traditional UNIX boxes and the increasing performance of PC hardware. Just as traditional UNIX vendors are starting to feel some heat Linux enters the scene. Linux ran on the same PC hardware as Windows and since it is UNIX-based (in a technical sense if not legal sense) many companies felt more comfortable with it, moving from one UNIX platform (traditional vendors) to another UNIX platform (Linux).

    No company's dominance lasts forever. A CEO that can not only see the company survive but substantially grow during such an end to dominance does deserve some credit.

  46. Reveue gains, maintained Win/Office profits by perpenso · · Score: 1

    ... If anything Steve is the textbook example on how an MBA brought zero growth to Microsoft, and destroyed not only two biggest cash cows in history, Windows & Office ...

    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...: "Under Ballmer's tenure as CEO, Microsoft's annual revenue surged from $25 billion to $70 billion, while its net income increased 215 percent to $23 billion, and its gross profit of 75 cents on every dollar in sales is double that of Google or International Business Machines Corp. ... These gains came from the existing Windows and Office franchises, with Ballmer maintaining their profitability, fending off threats from cheaper competitors such as GNU/Linux and other open-source operating systems and Google Docs."

  47. And MBA is not like other Master's degrees ... by perpenso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    However the MBA isn't a Science based study but a research/practical based study. MBA program is a lot about reading case studies and working to find better solutions.

    An MBA is not like other Master's degrees. One does not delve deeper into on particular field and do research.

    An MBA program is an overview of all the pieces of an organization. It covers statistics, organizational behavior (of people, psychology stuff), accounting, strategy, product development, operations, marketing, leadership, etc. Few of the students are coming from an accounting background, many are in fact coming from science and engineering backgrounds.

    An MBA program doesn't change you, if you were a software engineer going in you are still one going out. However you are now a software engineer who understands the perspective and concerns of those in accounting, marketing and operations and you can now communicate with them more effectively and are more likely to persuade them.

  48. Few career academics in MBA program ... by perpenso · · Score: 1

    Ballmer's probably a step up from quite a few people career academics in the business field.

    Many professors in MBA programs are not career academics. My marketing professor spent the first ten years of his career as an electrical engineer. The professor in my new product development class had been a mechanical engineer. We made heavy use of statistics and mathematical modeling in his class, I was very pleasantly surprised. My entrepreneurship professor had launched five successful startups in the medical industry. All these and some other professors had real jobs, moved into management, got an MBA and eventually decided to get a PhD and teach.

    Some classes were taught by non-PhD's like Balmer, adjunct professors. Business law was taught by an actual practicing attorney. Negotiations was taught by a sitting federal judge.

    There were some career academics, but those were generally for classes that were major academic disciplines, economics (micro and macro classes) and math (stats class) for example.

  49. A time I 'took out' MS on hosts... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Vs. MS mgt. on /. in Foredecker (R. Russell former VP of "Windows Client Performance Division" - but did zero on it + tried to "pass the buck" & told me I was writing the WRONG guy! B.S. - it's on performance/your division for Pete's sake).

    This occurred after I pointed out a hosts mistake MS made (even on TechNet & Steven Sinofsky's "building windows 8" blog - 0 was done)

    From 12/08/2009 patch tuesday VISTA on MS ended up disallowing 0 as a valid blocking entry 'address' vs. std. next most efficient 0.0.0.0 which I personally favor, vs. the larger & slower 127.0.0.1 loopback adapter address (not necessarily slower in RAM but on initial pickup File Open/Read-Write/Close I-O cycles instead + internal parse - thus, it's less efficient there by FAR (raises filesize 40++% depending on the amounts & sizes of said entries), unless a loopback adapter IS installed iirc)).

    Funny part's this: Somewhere in Windows 2000 SP#2 onward?

    They actually ADDED 0 as a VALID blocking 'IP address', on disk in hosts (it's 0 in memory on 0.0.0.0 though iirc with both) - It told ME someone saw the performance value!

    WHY TAKE IT OUT?

    I asked & wasn't ever answered @ TechNet + w/ MS mgt. noted above.

    He AGREED I was right in the end after saying I was "microoptimizing" (wtf!) -> http://slashdot.org/comments.p... & he said he'd look into it & get back to me - he never did either one.

    APK

    P.S.=> Securing a modern OS is doable: I wrote guides on that that even got me PAID from as far back as 1997 @ NTCompatible.com for Windows based OS:

    http://www.bing.com/search?q=%...

    Which I did not expect so "the lord works in mysterious ways for 'the lord of hosts'" (lol, me - just sarcasm).

    Hosts do a LOT but can't secure you completely (no 1 thing does) - "layered-security"/"defense-in-depth" is the BEST solution we have currently, however most security solutions rob speed: HOSTS ADD IT by way of comparison when they help secure you (only thing I know that does)... apk

  50. Obligatory... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DEVELOPERS!!! developers!!! D E VELOPERS!!! whooooo-hoooooooO!

  51. I compared them on business saavy only by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't put words in my mouth I never said, 1st of all: Secondly, ANYONE can "think of an idea @ the 10,000 ft. view level", but it's QUITE ANOTHER to work out the actual TECHNICAL details (which imo, Jobs couldn't DO by himself... sure, so he used Woz & others to take credit, what-with MOST companies putting a clause in your contract that whatever you discover working for them is THEIRS, not yours).

    Correct me *IF* I am wrong there... I can stand correction as much the next guy WHEN & IF I am "off/wrong" though.

    Mainly due to the BOLDED section I note above in this reply, AND the fact iirc, that you HAVE to have a 'working prototype' to do a patent in the 1st place - not just some 'idea' (the EASY part by way of comparison).

    I truly do *NOT* feel Jobs was capable of that. Not by himself, & merely took credit for the work of others.

    APK

    P.S.=> However, you missed my point I guess in the end: I don't *respect* business minds as much as I do the folks creating the product the bizkids, merely market & sell - that's all... apk

  52. MBAs are all about results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Billionaire? Your hired.

    Teaching MBAs how to gamble and leverage all past success on whatever mindless whim comes your way is exactly what he is suited for! The fact he failed but couldn't go broke because he inherited two monopolies of endless cash makes him seem like a genius to MBAs who will destroy companies and lives then move on to the next job if it didn't work out.

    MBA: How to be a psychopath and justify it as "it's only business."

  53. TESTS! TESTS! TESTS! TESTS! by swschrad · · Score: 1

    oh, what the hell, just get together and figure out the 4 fellow students you want to kick off the tail of the curve, and the rest get As.

    can anybody here rebound? extra credit!

    --
    if this is supposed to be a new economy, how come they still want my old fashioned money?
  54. Ballmer is Chair of my Department! by Jeremiah+Cornelius · · Score: 1, Funny

    And my thesis committee - "Ballistic properties of early 21-century office furniture and of Executive personalities: an exoteric analysis"

    --
    "Flyin' in just a sweet place,
    Never been known to fail..."
  55. I'd love to be in his class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ballmer teaching: The blind leading the blind!

  56. Been doing Coding, DB work, & network admin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since 1994, professionally (& since 1982 really) so for the most part I agree with you EXCEPT it matters in coding too... why? YOU LEARN (especially NEVER tossing out your old code OR building units/libs of code you KNOW you'll use & reuse... more-or-less what "OOP" was all about, except for your OWN "personal book of spells" so-to-speak).

    Only way to do it? Hands-on, in the trenches (especially in real professional working world circumstances).

    In this arena? I found having my Bachelors in Business Admin/MIS concentration fit in/dovetailed PERFECTLY with interfacing with those I worked with - Mgt., Dept. Heads, & end users, in a business environs.

    Things had a way of working out/fate...

    APK

    P.S.=> Guess it all depends on your "pov" & experience in the area - that's been mine for, oh, roughly 20++ yrs. as a pro (doing MOSTLY coding actually, but along w/ that in the business arena (MIS work), comes network admin (you get those rights to do your job after all, and to setup servers + to have access to data (the DB work, & I've pretty much interfaced with MOST types from DBase III data & tables up to SQLServer, Oracle, & even DB2 'devices' in that timeframe), usually "playground" types/samples only, not real in production stuff (neatest is on IBM stuff, they can create more or less VM type setups, decades++ back for that in fact, & I did a LOT of 'cross-platform' work to them in my time (midranges/mainframes etc. - et al))... apk

  57. Agreed 110% on math used in MIS... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's the type of coding I've done as a pro PRIMARILY as a "day job" since 1994... the rest of my reply to the poster you also responded to is here http://news.slashdot.org/comme...

    APK

    P.S.=> I use a LOT of business formulas (what you can find in Excel up to FPV/NPV & more - not exactly differential equations, integrals/integrations work, or derivatives in other words, let alone discrete math which you take during a CS degree - still, I am glad I have background in them too - rusty as hell, but I have my old notebooks & texts - never threw them out or resold them, just like code - DO NOT DO THAT! They come in handy @ the ODDEST times is why & can be reused (ala OOP almost, lol))... apk

  58. "Heartache"? Never had it in MIS (opposite) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I found being a "polymath" was more valuable than the idea of single focus specialized genius in other words (more than a jack of all trades, master of many, but more broad). Read my other replies to you & the poster you replied to.

    On polymath here? Tying together 2 diff. disciplines, business & computing (they accent & compliment one another to NO end) - I used to do it in academia for required sciences, always got me "A" grades, & it worked professionally later too doing MIS work.

    I could've "taken the easy way out" & done "Data Processing" oriented degree tracks (less math mostly, more DB info. systems focus) but I took PURE CS... why?

    Already HAD the B.S. in Business Admin with an MIS focus - too "high level" and "10,000 ft" view, not enough "nitty gritty" low level detail... THAT is where the REAL issues and solutions, sometimes are.

    CS degreework GAVE ME THAT over MIS, & yes, DP oriented degrees.

    APK

    P.S.=> The combination I used also lent itself to FAR easier communication + understanding with my clients (business people in mgt. & key personnel/users) to facilitate faster production by understanding the concepts & goals they used and had... did about ~ 40 MAJOR "enterprise class" company-wide multi-campus distributed systems in my time (100's of smaller systems 1994-present), often cross-platform to mainframes & midranges , & trust me - that all helped to make it easier and to just "make it happen", faster (less turnaround time + "deer eyes in the headlights" confusion AND to make the computergeek end MORE understandable by analogies quite often, for the business folks too...) apk

  59. I just state facts, here's more (on ego much) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you've done MORE, & BETTER, + earlier than I have (from this small partial only sample of some of my favs over time)? Then you can talk that way to me as a peer (but not until then):

    Windows NT Magazine (now Windows IT Pro) April 1997 "BACK OFFICE PERFORMANCE" issue, page 61

    (&, for work done for EEC Systems/SuperSpeed.com on PAID CONTRACT (writing portions of their SuperCache program increasing its performance by up to 40% via my work) albeit, for their SuperDisk & HOW TO APPLY IT, took them to a finalist position @ MS Tech Ed, two years in a row 2000-2002, in its HARDEST CATEGORY: SQLServer Performance Enhancement).

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, 1997, "Top Freeware & Shareware of the Year" issue page 210, #1/first entry in fact (my work is there)

    PC-WELT FEB 1998 - page 84, again, my work is featured there

    WINDOWS MAGAZINE, WINTER 1998 - page 92, insert section, MUST HAVE WARES, my work is again, there

    PC-WELT FEB 1999 - page 83, again, my work is featured there

    CHIP Magazine 7/99 - page 100, my work is there

    GERMAN PC BOOK, Data Becker publisher "PC Aufrusten und Repairen" 2000, where my work is contained in it

    HOT SHAREWARE Numero 46 issue, pg. 54 (PC ware mag from Spain), 2001 my work is there, first one featured, yet again!

    Also, a British PC Mag in 2002 for many utilities I wrote, saw it @ BORDERS BOOKS but didn't buy it... by that point, I had moved onto other areas in this field besides coding only...

    Being paid for an article that made me money over @ PCPitstop in 2008 for writing up a guide that has people showing NO VIRUSES/SPYWARES & other screwups, via following its point, such as THRONKA sees here -> http://www.xtremepccentral.com...

    It's also been myself helping out the folks at the UltraDefrag64 project (a 64-bit defragger for Windows), in showing them code for how to do Process Priority Control @ the GUI usermode/ring 3/rpl 3 level in their program (good one too), & being credited for it by their lead dev & his team... see here -> http://ultradefrag.sourceforge... or here http://sourceforge.net/tracker...

    Which ended up fixing a "bug" for them later, here -> http://sourceforge.net/p/ultra... via its implementation (partially, NOT fully yet as I outline it & use in my applications such as this one -> http://www.start64.com/index.p...

    APK

    P.S.=> Sorry you can't read - try "hooked on phonics"... apk

  60. Obligatory Back to School Reference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Har, har: http://recode.net/2014/08/21/codered-steve-ballmer-the-nutty-professor/

  61. Developers!. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He has always been interested in "Developers! Developers! Developers!"

  62. Oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Steve Ballmer indoctrinates the next generation of MBA scumbags who in turn become corporate suits who, in time, will destroy companies, livelihoods and innovation.

    Steve Ballmer, the gift that keeps giving.

  63. What? by carys689 · · Score: 1

    What's he going to teach? How to f--k up a company that had a good thing going? How to steer your company into market niches that other companies already own? How to pay so little attention to the quality of your product while pursuing market niches that other companies already own that you can't maintain the market share with what you had? These are classes I could skip.

  64. Good Choice, & I often quote you... apk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "check out an enhanced hosts file at http://www.mvps.org/winhelp200..." - by NeverVotedBush (1041088) on Tuesday March 17 2009, @01:42PM (#27228373)

    I'm well aware of you using them in fact since I have 100's of quotes of folks from this site who use hosts for a variety of purposes - you're one of them, see above (love your nickname/handle here by the by - I'm the same).

    (Kudos to you for being intelligent enough to realize they are a BETTER WAY of doing things from 1 single file for more speed, security, reliability, & more online...!)

    APK

    P.S.=> Sorry for the delay in response reply - just busy as all get-out here with real life & what-not! apk